And the most painful aspect is that when these soldiers die in the Frontlines, they hide the truth from their family members...
It is a known fact that they no longer send soldiers from Moscow and St Petersburg to the Frontlines because their family members t would demand for answers when something go wrong...
They send soldiers from the villages and small towns to the Frontlines because their family members would demand less accountability..
The Family members of the Moskva that sank are still demanding for answers...
You are very correct. They get conscripts from the poor areas in Russia and always leave out Moscow and St. Petersburg.
The most stupid ones here are the DPR and LPR people Sha.
Why DPR soldiers that fought in Mauripol to Lugansk which is near 300km when they can fight for their Donetsk at Marinka or Avdiivka which is less than 100km
Lugansk is 95% complete Lpr has only to focus on Severedonesk and Lisichansk the rest are for dpr
Marinka, Slavic area, Konstantinovka, Bakmut, Kramatorsk Dpr still has around 30 to 35% of territory in Ukriane hands ( not counting recent successes)
There are separate Cossack battalions operating in DPR around Avdiivka and Horlivka and none in the LPR even the well known 2nd Cossack MRR regiment is in Horlivka
Since the operation began both DPR and LPR has not operated in the same place
BTW it is the Liberation of Donbas so they should be the ones doing the most fighting as we've seen with Russian providing Artillery and air cover and tactical battle groups to support them while in some cases the Russian BTG do the main advance while DPR or LPR follow up with a mop up
It was the Russians who took Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Kharkiv Both the DPR or LPR has not left their region
Morale is at an all time time since the start of SO. Rather it is the Ukrainians who are suffering from low morale and are breaking ranks, complaining of insufficient equipment and body armour, being used as cannon fodder and some outrightly deserting.
With very high number of prisoner of war (around 8,000) you could tell what the morale is in Ukraine ryt now. Ukrainians are surrendering in hundred everyday
Bottom line: No amount of propaganda will stop what's on going in the battle of Donbass as both the Russians, DPR and LPR will continue to constrict them until it suffocate them out of Donbass
Do you know why there has not been any Prisoner swap of recent? It is because the Ukraine cannot match the prisoners of war held be Russians. Only Mariupol is more than 5k.
Do you know why there has not been any Prisoner swap of recent? It is because the Ukraine cannot match the prisoners of war held be Russians. Only Mariupol is more than 5k.
Clap for yourself omnipresent and Omniknowest
A war that Russia has almost 30k soldiers killed with almost 70k to 80k injured common sense should have told you that POWs plenty from the Russian side
Igbofam2: It's not the Russian regulars who are bearing the main burden of war in Ukraine. It is the troops of pro-Russian puppet states Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic.
Just today, 105th and 107th regiments of the DPR have refused to continue fighting for Russia.
When Russia took control over parts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts it didn't annex or unite them. They created two states: DPR and LPR, which were formally sovereign and separate from each other. This procedural decision has backfired now with DPR fighters refusing to go to the LPR.
Watch this attached video with fighters of DPR's 107th and 105th regiments. They just spent three months fighting for Mariupol. Now they complain that their commanders want to send them to fight in the LPR which is a "completely different republic", presenting them as "some Cossack volunteers" which is a lie because they are not Cossacks but from DPR.
Cossacks are considered nomads or "free men" dwelling in the northern hinterlands of the Black and Caspian seas. They had a tradition of independence and normally received privileges from the Russian government in return for military services but these are not Cossacks as they clearly stated in the video.
The lack of motivation of these guys is clear, they openly say they don't want to be the "cannon fodder" and "non-mercenaries" who were not even paid for fighting in Mariupol.
They don't want to be used as the unpaid cannon fodder. So they have now decided to utilize the wrong and deceptive procedures of Russia against them as they refuse to fight for Russia.
All their arguments are procedural:
- We are DPR citizens being sent to a "completely different republic" - They listed us as "Cossack volunteers". We are neither - They mobilised us without a medical checkup - They want to trick us from writing a complaint to the military attorney
The Pro Russian soldiers from the 105th Regiments on the other hand say and I quote:
- We are not soldiers. We used to be college students and workers of various enterprises who were forcibly mobilised into the DPR army - They told us we'll only maintain law and order or stand in the third line of defence. Bullshit. They sent us to attack Mariupol instead
- The medical examination is compulsory during the mobilisation. Nobody examined us. Many have chronic illnesses - They want to send us to fight in the LPR. But we are citizens of the DPR, not of the LPR - We already suffered casualties in Mariupol. Only 60% remain in service
Many in the DPR army are unwilling to fight any further. They were forcibly mobilised and now their discontent reached the point when they dared to show an open disobedience. Fighting is too risky they say.
In fact, they consider fighting riskier for the DPR troops than for the Russian regulars. Russian government is way more comfortable with using them as the cannon fodder than with using the Russian citizens. After all, DPR and LPR casualties are not even counted as "Russian" ones.
Since DPR casualties are not counted as "Russian" , you'll mobilise in Donetsk everyone you can catch and then send them to attack the massive Ukrainian fortifications. You run out of the Donetsk males of course, but on the bright side you keep official Russian casualties low.
Once again they are seriously low on motivation and refuse to be deceived and used as cannon fodder any longer.
I saw this coming. There I only so much you can push the threshold of lies a d misinformation.
For every lie you tell you have to tell 7 more lies to cover up that lie. These soldiers have clearly seen and heard too many lies from their principal.
I am not denying the authenticity of this video. Infact, it proves the topic and Igbofam is right on this. However, the DPR army will have no other choice that to fight. Infact, they should be training all their males for war. It is obvious the Luhansk are not willing to fight like the Donestk people fought. But not liberating Luhansk will aid the Ukrainian army. After that, they are coming straight for Donestk. So DPR should simply be ready to fight. However, let the Russian army listen to their grievances.
@Igbofam, all these is part of war. Doesn't mean Russia is losing. Your Ukrainian army after the surrender at Azovstal have lost motivation and are surrendering in their thousands.
kingthreat: I am not denying the authenticity of this video. Infact, it proves the topic and Igbofam is right on this. However, the DPR army will have no other choice that to fight. Infact, they should be training all their males for war. It is obvious the Luhansk are not willing to fight like the Donestk people fought. But not liberating Luhansk will aid the Ukrainian army. After that, they are coming straight for Donestk. So DPR should simply be ready to fight. However, let the Russian army listen to their grievances.
@Igbofam, all these is part of war. Doesn't mean Russia is losing. Your Ukrainian army after the surrender at Azovstal have lost motivation and are surrendering in their thousands.
They were already lied to from the start.
1. They were told they would be the 3rd line of defence and only maintain law and order in their city after the Russians have won the battle but instead they were sent into the war front untrained.
2. They were sent as Cossacks and LPR to fight in another republic not their own for a people who are unwilling to fight (Luhansk)
3. They already lost 40% of their men in Mariupol and saw first hand how easily and quickly they get killed since they are considered cannon fodder and they stated so in the video.
Contrary to your opinion they really do not need to fight because the same Russia who claimed to want to liberate them already destroyed Mariupol which is under the administration of DPR.
How can you obliterate a town belonging to the same people you claim you want to liberate and thus killing their own people too?
1. They were told they would be the 3rd line of defence and only maintain law and order in their city after the Russians have won the battle but instead they were sent into the war front untrained.
2. They were sent as Cossacks and LPR to fight in another republic not their own for a people who are unwilling to fight (Luhansk)
3. They already lost 40% of their men in Mariupol and saw first hand how easily and quickly they get killed since they are considered cannon fodder and they stated so in the video.
Contrary to your opinion they really do not need to fight because the same Russia who claimed to want to liberate them already destroyed Mariupol which is under the administration of DPR.
How can you obliterate a town belonging to the same people you claim you want to liberate and thus killing their own people too?
Make it make sense
Hmm very strong reasons to rebel here. In the video they also talked about being made to do illegal things. I wonder what those things were.
Even when the 107th regiment spokesperson said they have succeeded in "liberating" mariupol there was a pained pause as he exhaled.
It almost looked like they regretted doing that since the town basically has nothing left after Russia was done with it. They must feel terrible being used to destroy a town they considered their own just to please Russia.
Hmm very strong reasons to rebel here. In the video they also talked about being made to do illegal things. I wonder what those things were.
Even when the 107th regiment spokesperson said they have succeeded in "liberating" mariupol there was a pained pause as he exhaled.
It almost looked like they regretted doing that since the town basically has nothing left after Russia was done with it. They must feel terrible being used to destroy a town they considered their own just to please Russia.
Oh you noticed that deep exhale too? The thought of that hurt that guy you can clearly see it.
Everything you said here is fact and there is nothing to add
1. They were told they would be the 3rd line of defence and only maintain law and order in their city after the Russians have won the battle but instead they were sent into the war front untrained.
2. They were sent as Cossacks and LPR to fight in another republic not their own for a people who are unwilling to fight (Luhansk)
3. They already lost 40% of their men in Mariupol and saw first hand how easily and quickly they get killed since they are considered cannon fodder and they stated so in the video.
Contrary to your opinion they really do not need to fight because the same Russia who claimed to want to liberate them already destroyed Mariupol which is under the administration of DPR.
How can you obliterate a town belonging to the same people you claim you want to liberate and thus killing their own people too?
Make it make sense
The DPR has alot of soldiers. This battalion which is composed of untrained soldiers is just simply unwilling to fight for Luhansk. They want the people of Luhansk to fight for themselves. This is the issue here and can easily be resolved so far the Russians understand their plight. So far, DPR and Russia has a good relationship and a group of disgruntled soldiers won't change that.
You are sounding like the liberation of the Donbass was forced upon by Russia. Get it in your head. The people wanted it. They have not been happier than they are now in the past 8 years. The Donestsk People's Republic is here to stay. Next in Luhansk, while you feed us with stories of the Ukrainian army capturing a street.[b][/b]
A war that Russia has almost 30k soldiers killed with almost 70k to 80k injured common sense should have told you that POWs plenty from the Russian side
You too mumu. Where are you getting these figures from? How many soldiers were mobilised?
Igbofam2: It's not the Russian regulars who are bearing the main burden of war in Ukraine. It is the troops of pro-Russian puppet states Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic.
Just today, 105th and 107th regiments of the DPR have refused to continue fighting for Russia.
When Russia took control over parts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts it didn't annex or unite them. They created two states: DPR and LPR, which were formally sovereign and separate from each other. This procedural decision has backfired now with DPR fighters refusing to go to the LPR.
Watch this attached video with fighters of DPR's 107th and 105th regiments. They just spent three months fighting for Mariupol. Now they complain that their commanders want to send them to fight in the LPR which is a "completely different republic", presenting them as "some Cossack volunteers" which is a lie because they are not Cossacks but from DPR.
Cossacks are considered nomads or "free men" dwelling in the northern hinterlands of the Black and Caspian seas. They had a tradition of independence and normally received privileges from the Russian government in return for military services but these are not Cossacks as they clearly stated in the video.
The lack of motivation of these guys is clear, they openly say they don't want to be the "cannon fodder" and "non-mercenaries" who were not even paid for fighting in Mariupol.
They don't want to be used as the unpaid cannon fodder. So they have now decided to utilize the wrong and deceptive procedures of Russia against them as they refuse to fight for Russia.
All their arguments are procedural:
- We are DPR citizens being sent to a "completely different republic" - They listed us as "Cossack volunteers". We are neither - They mobilised us without a medical checkup - They want to trick us from writing a complaint to the military attorney
The Pro Russian soldiers from the 105th Regiments on the other hand say and I quote:
- We are not soldiers. We used to be college students and workers of various enterprises who were forcibly mobilised into the DPR army - They told us we'll only maintain law and order or stand in the third line of defence. Bullshit. They sent us to attack Mariupol instead
- The medical examination is compulsory during the mobilisation. Nobody examined us. Many have chronic illnesses - They want to send us to fight in the LPR. But we are citizens of the DPR, not of the LPR - We already suffered casualties in Mariupol. Only 60% remain in service
Many in the DPR army are unwilling to fight any further. They were forcibly mobilised and now their discontent reached the point when they dared to show an open disobedience. Fighting is too risky they say.
In fact, they consider fighting riskier for the DPR troops than for the Russian regulars. Russian government is way more comfortable with using them as the cannon fodder than with using the Russian citizens. After all, DPR and LPR casualties are not even counted as "Russian" ones.
Since DPR casualties are not counted as "Russian" , you'll mobilise in Donetsk everyone you can catch and then send them to attack the massive Ukrainian fortifications. You run out of the Donetsk males of course, but on the bright side you keep official Russian casualties low.
Once again they are seriously low on motivation and refuse to be deceived and used as cannon fodder any longer.
They thought they were fighting for their independence from Ukraine. But they are actually fighting for Donbass to be annexed into Russia. Putin is a land grabber.
You too mumu. Where are you getting these figures from? How many soldiers were mobilised?
Ironically the mega mumu is you.
The minister of defence of Russia held an indoor session with journalists about a month ago and in that meeting he quoted that Russia has lost about 15,000 men with another 7,000 missing. This was a month ago when Ukraine's figures were at about 23000 of Russian soldiers killed.
Add 15,000 to 7000and that is 22,000 which puts their figures at around same figures as what Ukraine gave at that time.
One of those in attendance at the closed meeting posted on their media website and mentioned what the minister of defence said with reference to his words.
30mins later they deleted it and claimed their website was hacked but by then screenshots had already been taken
Russia leaked the info themselves
Now if Ukraine were right then that means they are right now that the figure is almost at 30k Russian dead
The DPR has alot of soldiers. This battalion which is composed of untrained soldiers is just simply unwilling to fight for Luhansk. They want the people of Luhansk to fight for themselves. This is the issue here and can easily be resolved so far the Russians understand their plight. So far, DPR and Russia has a good relationship and a group of disgruntled soldiers won't change that.
You are sounding like the liberation of the Donbass was forced upon by Russia. Get it in your head. The people wanted it. They have not been happier than they are now in the past 8 years. The Donestsk People's Republic is here to stay. Next in Luhansk, while you feed us with stories of the Ukrainian army capturing a street.
This same Donetsk that the Governor himself I anti Russian or the same Donetsk that the people are painting Ukrainian flags everywhere is that the same Donetsk that is happy being with Russia and who begged Russia for freedom?
God1000: Here's the truth, russian soldiers are tired of fighting in this needless and senseless war.
Putin is just another Joseph Stalin, he's hiding inside the bunker while sending innocent soldiers to die, he should go to war front and lead his troops
This same Donetsk that the Governor himself I anti Russian or the same Donetsk that the people are painting Ukrainian flags everywhere is that the same Donetsk that is happy being with Russia and who begged Russia for freedom?
Your brainwash runs very deep
My friend keep quiet there with your propagandas, wishes and delusions. If all what you have been blabbing on Nairaland is true, Russia should have withdrawn their forces as up to 40,000 of their soldiers have died.
The guy is a propagandist. He intentionally avoids news like that. But news about a Russian tank being destroyed by a stinger missile turns him on so bad that he will broadcast it on nairaland and celebrate on it like it is his birthday. The guy has some delusionary issues.
A war that Russia has almost 30k soldiers killed with almost 70k to 80k injured common sense should have told you that POWs plenty from the Russian side
Are you just naturally foolish, so they've lost 90% of Thier force but still surrendering the whole of Eastern Ukraine,with what, your father's children?
The guy is a propagandist. He intentionally avoids news like that. But news about a Russian tank being destroyed by a stinger missile turns him on so bad that he will broadcast it on nairaland and celebrate on it like it is his birthday. The guy has some delusionary issues.
Washington warned Kiev that strikes from the Ukrainian side on the territory of Russia, especially the part that is not located near the border with Ukraine, carry risks of escalation - Reuters
This same Donetsk that the Governor himself I anti Russian or the same Donetsk that the people are painting Ukrainian flags everywhere is that the same Donetsk that is happy being with Russia and who begged Russia for freedom?
Your brainwash runs very deep
You're the most stupid person on this platform I swear, propaganda as ruined your poverty Nigerian stricken mind, so a couple of cheap paint that can't take one Ukrainian soldier 10minutes to apply is what tells you the whole of donestk a pro Russia town are not happy, You should stop disgracing yourself and family on this platform because after your folly and ferrying of foolish misinformation no one would take you seriously
God1000: Here's the truth, russian soldiers are tired of fighting in this needless and senseless war.
Putin is just another Joseph Stalin, he's hiding inside the bunker while sending innocent soldiers to die, he should go to war front and lead his troops
Another brainwashed slowpoke, Chechen forces are partying as we speak why you foolishly wallow in your poverty and misinformation
This same Donetsk that the Governor himself I anti Russian or the same Donetsk that the people are painting Ukrainian flags everywhere is that the same Donetsk that is happy being with Russia and who begged Russia for freedom?
Your brainwash runs very deep
[/s]
I pity who takes you serious!! Donestsk has been occupied by Ukraine!! Were you expecting a pro-Russian governor?? You are just funny and empty headed man!!
I pity who takes you serious!! Donestsk has been occupied by Ukraine!! Were you expecting a pro-Russian governor?? You are just funny and empty headed man!!
.
Occupied? This one is Putin's official bot, programmed to say rubbish and Z only, very hopeless and over useless
God1000: Here's the truth, russian soldiers are tired of fighting in this needless and senseless war.
Putin is just another Joseph Stalin, he's hiding inside the bunker while sending innocent soldiers to die, he should go to war front and lead his troops
.
Putin is a coward but I am happy that those Chechnya Tartan Crimean and Siberian rebels having seen how a chicken he is are already warming up to go the way of the Ukrainians
Occupied? This one is Putin's official bot, programmed to say rubbish and Z only, very hopeless and over useless
[/s]
As usual all you western a** lickers does is to insult people who share contrary view!! Now answer me straight, did the people of Donetsk separate from Ukraine after the 2014 coup?? Are they pro Russia or Pro-Ukraine??
I know you won’t answer but I do not blame you, if only your parents were useful enough to avoid sex the day your mom took in for you, it would have said us from your nuisance!!
