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Freedom34:
Lolz....."disloyal"? Did I hear u right?
Bcus of a single speech?

Mention 10 ppl in Nigeria (north or south) who has been more loyal to d APC cause/course?
'Disloyal' in a party he helped birthed and sustained for over 7 years with his time, resources and blood? His input in helping to form a winning team with pmb has bn d no 1 reason he's bn consistently hated by d s/e till date, and its d same man u accuse of 'disloyalty'? Perhaps 'loyalty' get anoda meaning!

Granted he may have gone overboard with his outburst due to frustration but to label him as 'disloyal' is a 100% fallacy!
Unlike d atikus of ds world dt crisscrossed BTW PDP to APC and back to PDP, tinubu has stuck with APC from inception till date! And d treatment being meted out to him shouldn't be experienced by a LOYAL national leader of d party.

If ds had dropped from d mouth of d average southeasterner I won't flinch bcus den nor sabi keep friends. They will hail u for a thousand deeds/misdeeds (in as much as it favors them) only to remind u of ur roots when u say a truth they detest hearing..

The ppl who had been treacherous are those within d APC (both northerners and southerners) who seek to disenfranchise him of his right. Those are d 'disloyal' ones. The worst dt could/shd've happened is to allow him fail woefully at d primaries, at least that will have bn a plausible alibi to a pseudo-gangup instead of making it blatantly obvious!

My friend, u have a right to cane your child but d right to cry lies with him!
If you see Tinubu's rant against ds undemocratic last-minute goal shifting approach by APC as 'arrogant', 'disloyal', 'self a entitlement' etc, without as much as spare a peep at d cause, then u are clearly not unbiased!


@red:
In what way has tinubu betrayed 'arewa' that makes u blv he's no longer to be trusted? Has he in any way in d last 8 years acted in any manner to suggest such?
In d context of what is happening currently, who's suppose to no longer trust who?
Who's betraying who as we speak?
So, he speaking out against a perceived injustice against him means he's betrayed arewa right?
Lolz....

candidtalk:
I don't know why some Yorubas are taking the bait of the treacherous and deceptive OP.

At the end of the day the Igbo OP, like most of his kinsmen, is a frustrated lout. Igbos always lie about history shamelessly to appear victims of it.

Those of us born after the civil war can certainly see today that Igbo man, in full glare of the world, is the single biggest reason Igbos failed to mount a challenge from one platform, out of only two, that can produce the President of Nigeria. I.e PDP.

Without a doubt, we have witness , in HD viewing, the validation of the claim that the Igbo man is always the biggest problem of the Igbo man. Over 210 Igbo delegate votes available and Anykm got 17. Lord know how many Igbo votes was greedily sold to Atiku for raw dollars.

They have betrayed, backstabbed and destroyed themselves. So far, not even a single prominent Igbo is supporting an Igbo aspirant anywhere. Kalu is licking the ass of Lawan who was entering our lower legislative house when Kalu was being sworn in as Governor in 1999 !!!

Thoes reality makes the rant of the deceptive OP even more enjoyable because him and the average Igbo always try to sell the lie that Yorubas stand in the way of Igbos yet we have all seen that it is Igbo man who stands in the way of Igbos. In the PDP we saw how Igbos and Northerners finished Igbos yet OP is here with the usual "its the turn of SE or power remains North".

Can we all not see how deceitfulthat claim is in the light of occurrences in the PDP? Did the Igbos in the PDP who betrayed their fellow Igbo not get the memo of PrinceOfOkrika?

That natural worthlessness is not enough for the average Igbo to contemplate. They quickly move on to their favourite pastime as losers and vindictive trolls.

Igbos, as usual, have messed themselves up. I'd advise Yorubas, some I see losing their cool here, to not get in the gutter with Pigs because the gutter is the Pig's naturally environment and only the Pig will emerge victor there.

Ignore the likes of the OP because politics does not hinge on singular events. Igbos have destroyed themselves and are simply looking for Southerners to drag down with them. They already betrayed SS and Wike recently so Yorubas should stop taking their bait.

KingKO22:
Lazy Igbos waiting to capitalize on the adventure of the most sophisticated SW and SS.


In as much as you already knw that without SW giving you a micro zone in national election, no politician from SE can defeat any SW candidate.


Igbos knw the fact that they are politically useless and redundant.
Ohaneze knows too that's why they have been writing several letters to Tinubu.


Lazy Igbos should count themselves as useless in Nigeria.

Even if Yoruba can't get the presidency in 2023 believe me. We will get it before any Igbo man can become president.

PrinceOfLagos:
I hate greed and I won't support it because it favours my region , I was brought up to do the right thing ..

Obasanjo ruled for 8yrs and the south east voted for him enmasse

Osibanjo/Buhari got good support of south east people in 2015, Osibanjo is about to complete his term of 8yrs ..

Tinubu should either support Igbo presidency or go to hell.

Enough of this greed and foolishness

Enough of one useless old man selling out the southern region for his selfish interest , enough of this madness .

If Tinubu will not support the south east presidency, Let power remain in the North.

QuotaSystem:
I disagree.

His chances were almost bulletproof before his latest outburst.

Regardless, Tinubu earned Arewa’s support and even though his recent indiscretion might cost him, it is unlikely to be dire enough to make the North/Buhari abandon him totally.

KingKO22:
Lazy Igbos waiting to capitalize on the adventure of the most sophisticated SW and SS.


In as much as you already knw that without SW giving you a micro zone in national election, no politician from SE can defeat any SW candidate.


Igbos knw the fact that they are politically useless and redundant.
Ohaneze knows too that's why they have been writing several letters to Tinubu.


Lazy Igbos should count themselves as useless in Nigeria.

Even if Yoruba can't get the presidency in 2023 believe me. We will get it before any Igbo man can become president.

Throwback:
Arewa support and Buhari support are 2 different things.

Tinubu need Buhari's support or neutrality to become APC presidential candidate, while he needs Arewa support to become Nigerian President.

Truly, the Buhari presidency had long shown their hand early enough for Tinubu to see the card he would be dealt - a card of betrayal.

Hence his focus to continue building his support base across the country and especially in the North. Tinubu was also careful not to hurt the image or threaten the legacy of Buhari and ensured he comported himself quietly even when it was best to speak out.

Tinubu has lost significant political capital by choosing to remain quiet over the failings of the Buhari regime, in addition to the capital he already staked to ensure that Buhari won the APC primary against the hawks of the NPDP. Atiku and Saraki, who would have easily defeated Buhari if Tinubu had chosen to betray Buhari at that point after the merger that resulted into APC.

What about his Chicago connections that ensured that the Buhari campaign got the tacit support of the Obama led USA government, and the services of the same team that managed the Obama presidential campaign.

Buhari benefited all of these from the magnanimity and loyalty of Tinubu, which was also inspired by the belief that only Buhari could get the needed votes from the North to defeat Jonathan.

Buhari should not be an ingrate, and should remain steadfast in keeping the cordial relationship with Tinubu that many had long wished was broken so that they can easily target Buhari.

Tinubu has taken too many blows for Buhari and the Buhari regime. He has also taken blows from the Buhari presidency that for reasons best known, became uncomfortable with Tinubu's political prowess once he had secured the presidency for Buhari, only to remember that polical prowess and seek out for it for the benefit of re-election.

You cannot deny the fact that no current APC aspirant can defeat Tinubu, so if Buhari would not support Tinubu, let him remain neutral so all candidates can respond the rewards of their input into the party.

All the shenanigans by the presidency and party leadership is quite irritating. And Buhari has never provided focused leadership for the APC, such that even the likes of El Rufai equally get irritated by how the President is easily cajoled to support a cause that would be of injury to the party.

APC is really making a mockery of the presidential primary, just so as to stop Tinubu that was of help to those in power now.

Tinubu has every reason to soro soke and point fingers at those he has served for 15years, growing their different political careers.

Do Atiku or Saraki have that type of patience and selflessnes?

Buckeyemedia1:
Lazy Ipobian, all the Igbo votes @ the pdp convention combined, multiply it by 15, it still doesn’t come close to what Nyesom Wike from small South South accumulated.

Bunch of lazy shameless ipobians, worthless to the political system in Nigeria.

President Buhari called you 5% in 2015, today you are about 2.3%.

candidtalk:
I don't know why some Yorubas are taking the bait of the treacherous and deceptive OP.

At the end of the day the Igbo OP, like most of his kinsmen, is a frustrated lout. Igbos always lie about history shamelessly to appear victims of it.

Those of us born after the civil war can certainly see today that Igbo man, in full glare of the world, is the single biggest reason Igbos failed to mount a challenge from one platform, out of only two, that can produce the President of Nigeria. I.e PDP.

Without a doubt, we have witness , in HD viewing, the validation of the claim that the Igbo man is always the biggest problem of the Igbo man. Over 210 Igbo delegate votes available and Anykm got 17. Lord know how many Igbo votes was greedily sold to Atiku for raw dollars.

They have betrayed, backstabbed and destroyed themselves. So far, not even a single prominent Igbo is supporting an Igbo aspirant anywhere. Kalu is licking the ass of Lawan who was entering our lower legislative house when Kalu was being sworn in as Governor in 1999 !!!

Thoes reality makes the rant of the deceptive OP even more enjoyable because him and the average Igbo always try to sell the lie that Yorubas stand in the way of Igbos yet we have all seen that it is Igbo man who stands in the way of Igbos. In the PDP we saw how Igbos and Northerners finished Igbos yet OP is here with the usual "its the turn of SE or power remains North".

Can we all not see how deceitfulthat claim is in the light of occurrences in the PDP? Did the Igbos in the PDP who betrayed their fellow Igbo not get the memo of PrinceOfOkrika?

That natural worthlessness is not enough for the average Igbo to contemplate. They quickly move on to their favourite pastime as losers and vindictive trolls.

Igbos, as usual, have messed themselves up. I'd advise Yorubas, some I see losing their cool here, to not get in the gutter with Pigs because the gutter is the Pig's naturally environment and only the Pig will emerge victor there.

Ignore the likes of the OP because politics does not hinge on singular events. Igbos have destroyed themselves and are simply looking for Southerners to drag down with them. They already betrayed SS and Wike recently so Yorubas should stop taking their bait.

PaChukwudi44:
But it was much more than what the so-called PDP leader in Ekiti state Fayose got!! Gosh!!

QuotaSystem:
Calling him disloyal might be stretching it, but his comments were highly disrespectful, unnecessary, provocative and reeked of indiscretion - traits not hitherto attributed to him.

Throwback:
Arewa support and Buhari support are 2 different things.

Tinubu need Buhari's support or neutrality to become APC presidential candidate, while he needs Arewa support to become Nigerian President.

Truly, the Buhari presidency had long shown their hand early enough for Tinubu to see the card he would be dealt - a card of betrayal.

Hence his focus to continue building his support base across the country and especially in the North. Tinubu was also careful not to hurt the image or threaten the legacy of Buhari and ensured he comported himself quietly even when it was best to speak out.

Tinubu has lost significant political capital by choosing to remain quiet over the failings of the Buhari regime, in addition to the capital he already staked to ensure that Buhari won the APC primary against the hawks of the NPDP. Atiku and Saraki, who would have easily defeated Buhari if Tinubu had chosen to betray Buhari at that point after the merger that resulted into APC.

What about his Chicago connections that ensured that the Buhari campaign got the tacit support of the Obama led USA government, and the services of the same team that managed the Obama presidential campaign? Remember that Obama was a Chicago resident before his entrance into politics and was Senator representing the Chicago area of illinois state before becoming USA President.

Buhari benefited all of these from the magnanimity and loyalty of Tinubu, which was also inspired by the belief that only Buhari could get the needed votes from the North to defeat Jonathan.

Buhari should not be an ingrate, and should remain steadfast in keeping the cordial relationship with Tinubu that many had long wished was broken so that they can easily target Buhari.

Tinubu has taken too many blows for Buhari and the Buhari regime. He has also taken blows from the Buhari presidency that for reasons best known, became uncomfortable with Tinubu's political prowess once he had secured the presidency for Buhari, only to remember that polical prowess and seek out for it for the benefit of re-election.

You cannot deny the fact that no current APC aspirant can defeat Tinubu, so if Buhari would not support Tinubu, let him remain neutral so all candidates can respond the rewards of their input into the party.

All the shenanigans by the presidency and party leadership is quite irritating. And Buhari has never provided focused leadership for the APC, such that even the likes of El Rufai equally get irritated by how the President is easily cajoled to support a cause that would be of injury to the party.

APC is really making a mockery of the presidential primary, just so as to stop Tinubu that was of help to those in power now.

Tinubu has every reason to soro soke and point fingers at those he has served for 15years, growing their different political careers.

Do Atiku or Saraki have that type of patience and selflessnes?

candidtalk:
Guy, quit this angle you're pushing. I am sure many respect you here as a Northerner passionate about his region yet fair-minded and always favorably disposed to what is in the best interest of Nigeria.

Tinubu never disrespected Arewa or the North as you claim. At worst you can claim he disrespected Buhari but who, even you if your being fair, will not understand that developemtn given the many, many actions of open disrespect and lack of goodwill , towards Tinubu, from PMB?

You are acting totally out of character over this issue and I personally think your overreaction stems from the peculiarity of the North whereby leaders can never be criticised, even when blatantly in the wrong, as if they are gods.

You must remember that is not the case with the South and that what obtains in your region is not binding on all Nigerians. At worst, this is a spat between Tinubu and Buhari that fair and objective neutral observers can certainly understand from Tinubu's perspective.

Even when Buhari sidelined Tinubu after his 2015 win, PMB went back to demand Tinubu head his 2019 election campaign. Tinubu acceded graciously and worked for the win of Buhari and APC.

I am now surprised you have gone so far as to be using words such as "disrespectful" against Tinubu. Has Tinubu been 'respected by those you claim he is disrespectful to or is the reality that they have constantly humiliated and dragged him in ways not fitting of his status and contribution to APC?

Why also invoke Arewa and your region into what is essentially a dispute between two individuals we all know the root cause of to understand where Tinubu is coming from?

Ultimately my friend, on this ocassion you are wrong. You have done what most Nigerians do when push comes to shove. I.e side with their kinsmen because ethnic loyalty has blurred vision to obscure what is very obvious.

I am not a liar and won't get into the issue of whether Tinubu disrespected Buhari or not. To me that is to be looked at from the perspective of Buhari's prior actions towards Tinubu and the mindset of the average Nigeria vis a vis a tendency, or lack thereof, to see leaders as infallible gods beyond reproach or reprimand.

What I know though is that Tinubu did not disrespect the North or Arewa. Anyone insisting that is just among those wishing to give a dog they hate a bad name to hang it.

Buckeyemedia1:
Long epistle, The President will choose who he deems fit to succeed him.

Quite simple, Tinubu chose Osinbajo for President Buhari In 2014, if the President wants the VP to continue in his stead why all the crocodile tears hypocritical wailing?

However, the most important question is: Does President Buhari know who and what is best for post-2023 Nigeria? Eni tò mà dá aso fùn ènìà, to orùn rè lā n kókó wò so says a Yoruba adage. This means that if a man promises to take you shopping for luxury clothes, you must first look at what he has on, the taste of the pudding is in the eating.

What has Buhari done for Nigeria, which gives him the confidence that he understands the country’s challenges and can identify a worthy successor?

For instance, the most easily identifiable challenge Nigeria faces today is the mismanagement of its diversity. It is hard to recall any time that Nigerians have been so divided and disillusioned about their country as now, yet the president does not understand this.

And what are we doing about poverty? Nothing but lip service. Nigeria’s economy is in its worst state ever, with its oil and gas sector almost run down and manufacturing prostrate.

The Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation no longer contributes to national earnings. From N307 billion in 2015, there are projections that Nigeria may pay N6 trillion on subsidy this year, even as public debt may rise to about N51 trillion.

Things have gone this badly in Nigeria under the watch of the President, Major General Muhammadu Buhari (retd.), yet he is asking to single-handedly choose his successor. Shouldn’t we be worried?

“The big fear is that combining both legal and moral authority, being our president, if you are to nominate your successor to what extent can other party leaders influence your decision? If party leaders are unable to influence your decision with respect to the choice of successor, what will be the guarantee that your choice can aggregate the expectations of Nigerians?

QuotaSystem:
Your perspective is appreciated.

However, I speak from the angle of political realities.

candidtalk:
You claim so but the image below, that you presented, and your previous utterances on this thread, deny that you mean so. Bro, when did "Yorubas vilify the North like this" as claimed below?

Any Northerner, knowing fully well Tinubu's ire is directed at Buhari and Buhari alone, who wants to deliberately spin this development to mean Tinubu and Yorubas have 'disrespected' the North and then attendantly concludes Tinubu and Yorubas are now unworthy of the support of the North, is simply a Northern supremacist or born-to-rule proponent looking for any excuse to validate the North's attempt to retain power by any means possible.



That in itself sends weighty signals to Yorubas my friend because you are not our gods. Especislly not in a nation we are all supposed to be partners in

When you and Northern politicians want to play the ethnic card over a development between two individuals , with Tinubu having a valid case for unjust treatment that led to his talk, then I think we are dealing with the sort of insincerity the entire Nigeria has witnessed from Buhari, over many issues, that an entire suffering nation has refused to broach.

Good luck to you and the North.

mighty2:
oloriburuku omo ajekuta mamumi, so why are you crying, shebi you don rule am before.....

haffaze777:
The entire south east can go to hell

mighty2:
We don't care if north rules this country forever but we will make sure no nyamiri smell aso rock

WesternOligarch:
Let north rule forever.

Optma88:
ok sir, tell your igbos tribe to go to sleep, when they wake up tomorrow morning, they will see the presidential seat at their door step, they should just carry it and become the president of Nigeria. Thanks

QuotaSystem:
Tinubu is now hanging on a thin thread.

Just imagine squandering the northern goodwill he painstakingly acquired over the years on an ego trip.

Tragic.

ScamHunter:
Get your PVC and vote Peter Obi. He'll wipe down your tears

Ttalk:
Tinubu failed to learn from history. He had gotten much more than he could stomach hence the outburst.

The gangup didn't start today, it been there since Buhari came to power, but Tinubu pretended it was all okay because of his ambition even at the expense of his people.

Let Tinubu stomach the insult and embarrassment, it would be a lesson to future betrayal of the Southern common goal.

Buckeyemedia1:
But they are not wailing like you that have nothing, but is screaming you must give it to us?

Worse than a houseboy mentality, if Wike makes noise he has a point, not people like you that even Udom Emmanuel scored more votes than your best candidate, nonsense Empty Barrels.

You are no better than a Tiv aspirant that did not participate.

QuotaSystem:
Nobody is a god and nobody is pretending to be a god. Those were the words of Babachir Lawal and that’s why I followed the screenshot with another one that shot down the kite Lawal was flying (which you interestingly avoided), which is the prevailing sentiment to the best of my knowledge.

If Tinubu continues on his tactless trajectory of arrogance and indiscretion, then he plays into the hands of the likes of Babachir Lawal and has only himself to blame for whatever political consequences that might follow.

The sentiment expressed below remains valid and Tinubu remains in pole position for the APC ticket.

candidtalk:
You claim so but the image below, that you presented, and your previous utterances on this thread, deny that you mean so. Bro, when did "Yorubas vilify the North like this" as claimed below?

Any Northerner, knowing fully well Tinubu's ire is directed at Buhari and Buhari alone, who wants to deliberately spin this development to mean Tinubu and Yorubas have 'disrespected' the North and then attendantly concludes Tinubu and Yorubas are now unworthy of the support of the North, is simply a Northern supremacist or born-to-rule proponent looking for any excuse to validate the North's attempt to retain power by any means possible.



That in itself sends weighty signals to Yorubas my friend because you are not our gods. Especislly not in a nation we are all supposed to be partners in

When you and Northern politicians want to play the ethnic card over a development between two individuals , with Tinubu having a valid case for unjust treatment that led to his talk, then I think we are dealing with the sort of insincerity the entire Nigeria has witnessed from Buhari, over many issues, that an entire suffering nation has refused to broach.

Good luck to you and the North.

QuotaSystem:
“We guys” were already aware of the tendency, but two things remain certain.

1. Presidency will move to the south.

2. It can never be the South East.

This gaffe by Tinubu might not necessarily cost him the Presidency (his loyalty over the years outweigh his latest frustrated rant), but will intensify the efforts to hedge him in with the Senate and other political apparatus available to the North if he wins.

ScamHunter:
Say it without tears. Dashed hope of an Afonja