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Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Carlosdd: 12:38pm On Jun 05, 2022
Frigga13:
Stage is set..,

Atiku ..The next nigeria President

Aketi always using southern governors office to scam his fellow Yoruba people

Not southerners

Vote Atiku Abubakar for strong and rapid

Power to the people
North 2023


You don’t need to appoint yourself akeredolu mind reader better use that energy to campaign for your candidate stop insubordination
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Idoko619(m): 12:54pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:
ACN block grin grin

Tinubu or Osibanjo is the incoming.

Peter obi will damage Atiku votes in the south
Kwankwaso will damage Atiku votes the north

Presidency is coming south west.

grin grin

Lolss, na so e d work?
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by 43Ronin: 1:09pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:



Southwest 100%

So he will use only SW votes to win election? Lol. Do you know that he has to get at least 25% total votes in at least 24 states?
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Freebills12: 1:39pm On Jun 05, 2022
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Throwback:
But we all know that the hateful section of the South is not happy that the North is not what they had hoped would make them poke fun at their perceived competition.

What will Igbos do if a Yoruba is sworn in as President on May 29th 2023?

Will they commit mass suicide or will they finally jettison their destructive hatred and work with the new government to better their own region and people also?

Or will they busy their hateful minds to be analysing pictures of the President who must have been replaced by Kamoru Fadipe from Ketou in Dahomey?

Sometimes you people joke enough, that you don't have respect for your elders doesn't give you the audacity to insult a tribe. What have you to do with Igbo, imagine someone who can't feed himself for a day is insulting a tribe. From your comments it shows that you are not up-to 16 years, because if you are, you would have known that Igbos gave Obasanjo 100% of their votes twice, 1999 and 2007. MD of this forum should do something about abuse, imagine asking if Igbos should commit suicide, it's a joke taken too far.

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Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Ricibo: 2:28pm On Jun 05, 2022
Watch what this 300l UNIBEN student was caught doing click on this link to watch it on Facebook

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Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Nobody: 2:44pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:
ACN block grin grin

Tinubu or Osibanjo is the incoming.

Peter obi will damage Atiku votes in the south
Kwankwaso will damage Atiku votes the north

Presidency is coming south west.

grin grin

Am sure you must have said this analysis to your close persons before dropping it here. They all would think you've made so much sense right?

My gee!!!! Your analysis is a complete trash...

What makes your think a notherner will work against his fellow notherner. Wait till 2023.... A lot of things will unfold.
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by sogodihno: 2:45pm On Jun 05, 2022
Jozibrainz99:


Am sure you must have said this analysis to your close persons before dropping it here. They all would think you've made so much sense right?

My gee!!!! Your analysis is a complete trash...

What makes your think a notherner will work against his fellow notherner. Wait till 2023.... A lot of things will unfold.

Bring your own authentic analysis. Losers
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by revolt(m): 2:50pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:


Thrash and balderdash, Atiku can not win, kwankwaso will Divide his votes in the north,Peter obi will Divide it in the east, stop crying
lol keep deceiving yourself. Kwankwaso will cede for atiku. Even the west will hve some votes for Atiku. You guys forget ATIKU WON 2019. He beat incumbent buhari. The results had to be suspended b4 the next day buhari had a miraculous lead of over 600 thousand votes from one state.
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Nobody: 3:05pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:


Bring your own authentic analysis. Losers

Imagine this fool calling me a loser....

Am i the one contesting...

Know me first before saying trash....mumu
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by sogodihno: 3:28pm On Jun 05, 2022
Jozibrainz99:


Imagine this fool calling me a loser....

Am i the one contesting...

Know me first before saying trash....mumu


You must be referring to your father, that failed to train you.
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by bizzibodi(m): 3:29pm On Jun 05, 2022
that is a good one by the northern governors.
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by sogodihno: 3:29pm On Jun 05, 2022
revolt:
lol keep deceiving yourself. Kwankwaso will cede for atiku. Even the west will hve some votes for Atiku. You guys forget ATIKU WON 2019. He beat incumbent buhari. The results had to be suspended b4 the next day buhari had a miraculous lead of over 600 thousand votes from one state.

Stats from upper iweka grin grin
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by EfonAlaaye2023(m): 3:35pm On Jun 05, 2022
PaChukwudi44:
All Aketi cares for is a SW presidency.He has absolutely no interest in the presidency going either SE or SS



No OUK care for southeast president now



loser cheesy
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Nobody: 4:17pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:



You must be referring to your father, that failed to train you.


You are an unfortunate human being...

Is that how you insult your father

Imagine this disrespectful thing!!!!
Am pretty sure u must have been demised and ex communicated by most member of your useless family
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by sogodihno: 4:23pm On Jun 05, 2022
Jozibrainz99:



You are an unfortunate human being...

Is that how you insult your father

Imagine this disrespectful thing!!!!
Am pretty sure u must have been demised and ex communicated by most member of your useless family

That is your father and mother.

Keep your emotions in check or hang yourself
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Deadlytruth(m): 5:27pm On Jun 05, 2022
revolt:


You're a learner. The north was waiting for the outcome of pdp primaries. If pdp had given it to a southerner....APC would have fielded Gej(a 4 year term) then power goes back north. Pdp is fielding a northerner so the north has quickly / unilaterally agreed not to divide their votes for a northern candidate. You people are so stupid, you have no idea how politically intelligent the north is. It amazes me when I see yoruba clowns dreaming they will win a single vote up north talkless of winning presidency. The east and ss / mb will not vote west. They will divide their votes between either atiku obi or kwankaso.... AS USUAL THE SO CALLED SOURHERN UNITY HAS BEEN DESTROYED. THIS WAS WHAT THE NORTH WAS AFRAID OF.... A WEST AND EASTERN ALLIANCE. These two ethnicities.... never agree... and i personally think the west has more hate cos the east has in the past massively supported western canfidates eg mko and obasanjo.... the west has never supported any eastern cause.. even during the civil war ... it was the same backstabbing. ...

Atiku is the next president as we see it. The west as usual has once more given another fulani power by their selfish greed. They're the Trojan horse in the south.
I am not Yoruba but you claim in bold is pure revisionism toward victim card play.
It's either you are sincerely uninformed on Nigeria's political history or that you just want to be politically correct.
MKO lost in the entire SE then except in Anambra where he won by a razor thin margin. In the old Rivers State (now Bayelsa and Rivers) Alhaji Bashir Tofa - a Fulani man- ganerd 66% of the votes. It was even Northern states that made the difference for Abiola. Go and peruse the results very closely.
Igbos' support for Obasanjo in 1999 was because Obasanjo was the candidate of the North in addition to being the very candidate which Yorubas were mostly against. So Igbos voting for Obasanjo was actually a case of working against Yorubas' cause.
In 1959, Igbos' laid the foundation of Southern disunity and rivalry when Azikiwe rejected the proposed all-South alliance which would have made an Igbo man (specifically Azikiwe himself) the prime minister of Nigeria post independence. He rather went for the Hausafulani-Igbo alliance which made a far less educated Tafawa Balewa the prime minister with him being compensated with a powerless figurehead ceremonial position of Governor General whose only constitutionally assigned duties were the commissioning of public toilets and incinerators, and also the acknowledgment of cheers from school children matching on independence day anniversary celebrations. It was when his brothers in the army realized six years later that that position he accepted in reward was meaningless, redundant, powerless and of no significance that they tried to correct it through the ill-advised coup of January 15 1966 which ended up only compounding the problem onto an avoidable civil war.
On your claim that Yorubas didn't work with you during the war; what you fail to understand is that Awolowo couldn't have come out of prison to work with Igbos (who ,through Azikiwe, colluded with Balewa to jail him) to fight the Gowon who released him. It doesn't make sense.

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Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Nobody: 5:57pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:


That is your father and mother.

Keep your emotions in check or hang yourself

Go and hang urself and your father....I won't mention your mum because am sure you took over your father.....Predated headed millipede
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by sogodihno: 6:06pm On Jun 05, 2022
Jozibrainz99:


Go and hang urself and your father....I won't mention your mum because am sure you took over your father.....Predated headed millipede


Go and take sniper
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Nobody: 6:10pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:



Go and take sniper


Imagine u that ma guys here think u must have taken sniper by now....

Fool!!!
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by sogodihno: 6:16pm On Jun 05, 2022
Jozibrainz99:



Imagine u that ma guys here think u must have taken sniper by now....

Fool!!!

That must be your papa and mama
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Paretomaster1(m): 6:34pm On Jun 05, 2022
tonididdy:

grin a deal with the SW? cheesy
What an ignoramus... Typical yoruba man, building castles on amala.
Never attempt to win by force what can be won by deception.

It's obvious which tribe is constantly crying foul.... You r irrelevant...
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Arkmanbuddy(m): 7:12pm On Jun 05, 2022
Throwback:
In just 24hrs, the Igbos who for the past 1month have been poking fun and propagating every news related to the APC presidential primary, have suddenly began doubting all recent news.

Even Jonathan that they hoped will help them deal with Tinubu and Yorubas, is not interested in Nigerian politics.

This is the type of confusion that must beset my enemies as I leave them behind to move forward in life.


Baba, you get bad mouth... grin grin
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Nobody: 8:02pm On Jun 05, 2022
sogodihno:


That must be your papa and mama

You seem to be so hurt...You just can't type without mentioning your father.. Bush cat
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by revolt(m): 1:39am On Jun 06, 2022
Deadlytruth:

I am not Yoruba but you claim in bold is pure revisionism toward victim card play.
It's either you are sincerely uninformed on Nigeria's political history or that you just want to be politically correct.
MKO lost in the entire SE then except in Anambra where he won by a razor thin margin. In the old Rivers State (now Bayelsa and Rivers) Alhaji Bashir Tofa - a Fulani man- ganerd 66% of the votes. It was even Northern states that made the difference for Abiola. Go and peruse the results very closely.
Igbos' support for Obasanjo in 1999 was because Obasanjo was the candidate of the North in addition to being the very candidate which Yorubas were mostly against. So Igbos voting for Obasanjo was actually a case of working against Yorubas' cause.
In 1959, Igbos' laid the foundation of Southern disunity and rivalry when Azikiwe rejected the proposed all-South alliance which would have made an Igbo man (specifically Azikiwe himself) the prime minister of Nigeria post independence. He rather went for the Hausafulani-Igbo alliance which made a far less educated Tafawa Balewa the prime minister with him being compensated with a powerless figurehead ceremonial position of Governor General whose only constitutionally assigned duties were the commissioning of public toilets and incinerators, and also the acknowledgment of cheers from school children matching on independence day anniversary celebrations. It was when his brothers in the army realized six years later that that position he accepted in reward was meaningless, redundant, powerless and of no significance that they tried to correct it through the ill-advised coup of January 15 1966 which ended up only compounding the problem onto an avoidable civil war.
On your claim that Yorubas didn't work with you during the war; what you fail to understand is that Awolowo couldn't have come out of prison to work with Igbos (who ,through Azikiwe, colluded with Balewa to jail him) to fight the Gowon who released him. It doesn't make sense.
YOU CALLED ME A REVISIONIST THEN WENT ON campaign of false history.
Lets go back to the 1952 western house elections where NCNC won and AwoIsts came up with the idea ... EAST FOR EASTERNERS, NORTH FOR NORTHERNERS, WEST FOR WESTERNERS. Prior to that... these principles didn't matter and people contested based on the natural habitation. The yorubas/ awoists were the first to bring tribalism into nigerian politics. The founding fathers had a mix of mainly yourbas and igbo plus other ethnicities when they went to seek independence in Britain. Ncnc wasn't an igbo party ...infact it was founded by Herbert macauly whom I believe was yoruba. With the 1952 cross carpet debacle the distrust btw the west and east was born. After the 1959 elections, contrary to your false narrative.... the east and west were both negotiating an alliance with the north cos an east _west alliance wasn't big enough to form a central govt ( Thanks to british politinomics)..

The north was the favored bride and was bigger than the east and west combined. The north chose to go with the East cos they didn't trust awo. The 1952 crosscarpet sent a strong message to all regions.
Now after Ncnc and NPc alliance ..NCNC became really dissatisfied with the NPC handling of govt forged an alliance with AG amd NEPU. THE NPC response was supporting Akintola and jailing AWO. I DONT KNOW HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE FABRICATION THAT ZIK CONNIVED WITH NPC TO JAIL AWO. Zik Even called for all parties to boycott/ not participate in the 1964 elections. Pls get your facts right. Let's not forget Zik was even rejected by igbos by 1964 and was beaten by a younger Michael okpara. In essence ifbos didn't forgive zik for his northern alliance and revolted against him


I understand from a yoruba point of view... Awo did the right thing by supporting the northern elements in 1966 cos of some little gains they got from the nationalization policy... but that was.a very myopic decision and short term driven.

The results of 1993 election still shows that'sore than a quarter of igbo land voted mko. Obj was yoruba... igbos have no inclination to why he's hated. However there waere other parties that had igbo candidates and they all unilaterally stepped down for their yoruba counterparts like FALAE etc...

I Dare you to mention one time the yorubas supported an igbo cause.
Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by Deadlytruth(m): 1:46pm On Jun 06, 2022
revolt:
YOU CALLED ME A REVISIONIST THEN WENT ON campaign of false history.
Lets go back to the 1952 western house elections where NCNC won and AwoIsts came up with the idea ... EAST FOR EASTERNERS, NORTH FOR NORTHERNERS, WEST FOR WESTERNERS. Prior to that... these principles didn't matter and people contested based on the natural habitation.

You obviously have never watched the video in which Ahmadu Bello implicitly made it clear that when he bacame Northern Region premier in that same 1952 you reference, he was compelled to set sail a Northernization policy for his Northern Region because the Eastern and Western Regions were not giving the same opportunity to Northerners residing among them the way the Northern Region was doing to Southerners resident in the North. He specifically asked the British journalist how many Northerners were employed in the Eastern and Western civil servants and that Journalist went dumb for lack of a factual response. Nigeria was never one at any time contrary to your narrative. Was the 1945 in which Northern mobs killed Igbos in Jos not a time far before 1952? Interethnic suspicion and hatred had always been there. In fact as far back as 1944 Ahmadu Bello had correctly described Nigeria as the mistake of 1914 while Awolowo also correctly termed it a mere geographical expression. Only Zik and Igbos were deluding themselves with alternate reality and therefore singing one-Nigeria amidst the clear danger it portended.
revolt:

The yorubas/ awoists were the first to bring tribalism into nigerian politics. The founding fathers had a mix of mainly yourbas and igbo plus other ethnicities when they went to seek independence in Britain.

In actual fact Zik was the one who introduced tribalism officially into Nigerian politics, and that was in 1938 when he pulled out of NYM in anger over the loss of the group's second chairmanship election by his favoured candidate to a minority man of the Ijaw extraction. He hypocritically cited the rather intra-Yoruba biases which he had no business but never saw anything wrong with a similar intra-Igbo bias of the Osu caste system which was worse than the Yoruba version he cited. In addition, a nationwide inter-secondary schools football competition was played far before 1952 and the final happened to be between an Eastern Region school and a Western Region school. The Eastern Region school won the cup and the next day, an article authored by Zik appeared in the Pilot Newspaper in which Zik credited the victory to the Igboness of the members of the team rather than to their skills. What was that if not a tribalistic slur against other tribes of Nigeria? Still, as at 1945 Oscar Onyeama had published an article in which he wrote that Igbo domination of Nigeria was just a question of time. In 1949 Azikiwe reinforced him by declaring publicly that it was getting clearer by the day that the gods of Igbo land had destined Igbos to rule over the entire Africa. While Zik and Igbos made all these offensive tribalistic utterances, the other tribes maintained restraint.
Even till today, you can still see that only the Igbo man keeps boasting of being the most intelligent tribe, being the developers of every other regions while their own home region ironically lays in ruins.
revolt:

Ncnc wasn't an igbo party ...infact it was founded by Herbert macauly whom I believe was yoruba. With the 1952 cross carpet debacle the distrust btw the west and east was born.
NCNC was a metamorphosis of NNDP which was the first political party ever founded in Nigeria and that was in 1922 by Herbert Macaulay who had a Yoruba mum and a Sierra Leonean dad. As an elderly person on account of being born in 1864 or so, his ideology, though foresighted and we'll thought out, didn't sit well with the relatively younger generation of youths like Enahoro, Awolowo, Azikiwe, Earnest Ikoli, etc who therefore decided to form a youth movement (NYM) to press for an Independence earlier than the 1980s and 1990' envisaged by Herbert Macaulay for same and which would have been better for us today. But after having his candidate losing the NYM president election, Zik betrayed his NYM colleagues by pulling out and, as against the earlier agreement, going back to join NNDP which was already being repackaged as NCNC by Herbert Macaulay.
The cross carpeting allegation has been severally debunked even by Zik himself in his book "My Odyssey". As recorded by foreign observers of that election, what happened was a stalemate at the first run which retuned no party with the required simple majority to form government even though AG had the leading figures. The few cases of cross carpeting didn't make any substantial difference in favour of Zik. Meanwhile some AG members too crosscarpeted to NCNC in that very scenario. An example was Pa Awodi who who was representing my own Kukuruku Constituency now Edo North Senatorial District. Only two people joined AG from NCNC. What made the real difference for Awolowo was the decision of the smaller but substantially prominent parties like Ibadan Peoples Party (IPP), Ondo Industrial League (OIL) etc to align with AG just exactly the way Igbos alligned their NCNC with Hausafulanis NPC at independence. So how does that amount to crosscarpeting?
Go and read Zik's "My Odyssey" and you'll see the whole truth from the horse's mouth.
Moreover, Awolowo's call against Zik's bid to govern the Western Region wasn't a Yoruba agenda pursuit otherwise the Urhobo member of the house who heeded it and moved from NCNC to AG wouldn't have done so. As a federalist, Awolowo's arguement was that the regions were created in response to the demand for self governance by the different tribes hence an incursion into the West by Zik would amount to a defeat of the essence of the creation of the regions in the first instance. Awolowo maintained that each region should be governed by her own natives and not a native of another region. There were non-Yoruba tribes indegenous to the Western Region, eg. Binis, Esans, Etunos, Etsakos, Unemes, Okpameris, Okpes, Ososos, and even Igbo tribes like Anioma, and Awolowo wasn't opposed to them seeking to be premier. Why couldn't Zik install a Yoruba man or a Hausafulani as premier of the Eastern Region first before going to the west to seek same for himself? Shouldn't charity begin from home? Was his idea of one-Nigeria only meant to be upheld in the Western Region?
revolt:

After the 1959 elections, contrary to your false narrative.... the east and west were both negotiating an alliance with the north cos an east _west alliance wasn't big enough to form a central govt ( Thanks to british politinomics)..The north was the favored bride and was bigger than the east and west combined.
Those who went to negotiate with the North from the West were the Akintola faction of AG and they didn't receive Awolowo's blessings for that. It was already an open secrete then that AG was already factionalized between Akintola and Awolowo with Awolowo's faction still maintaining dominance hence a marriage between it and NCNC would have more combined MP seats to defeat NPC. The issue back then wasn't landmass but MP seats and popular votes boths of which the AG and NCNC figures combined would have easily killed NPC with their landmass. If not, why was Ahmadu Bello threatening to pull the North out of Nigeria should the Southern alliance materialize?
revolt:

The north chose to go with the East cos they didn't trust awo.
Two facts rubbish this claim of yours as follows:
1. At the height of being pummeled by Balewa courtesy of the rigging of the 1962 census and re-riging of its rerun against Zik's Eastern Region, Zik and Okpara pulled out of the NPC-NCNC alliance and began to seek audience with the same Awolowo through his wife for the negotiation of the very all-South proposal they had rejected four years earlier on so as to be able to fight the North back. How do you return to a person you don't trust to save you in times of trouble?
2. In "My Odyssey" Zik confessed that he chose the Igbo-Hausafulani alliance because he had assumed that an alliance cutting across North and South was better for national unity. Please go and read that book.
revolt:

The 1952 crosscarpet sent a strong message to all regions.
Now after Ncnc and NPc alliance ..NCNC became really dissatisfied with the NPC handling of govt forged an alliance with AG amd NEPU.

I have already bursted the crosscarpeting allegation. If you want links to interviews in which a honest Igbo member of the parliament who witnessed the whole event confessed that there was really nothing like that, I will gladly oblige you here. Your NEPU story is pure falsehood as Zik's alliance with NEPU predated independence hence never after the break up between him and Balewa. In the build up to the 1959 elections, zik had always loved the core North so he first took NCNC into alliance with Aminu Kanu's NEPU and together they went into the 1959 elections and came out with 89 MP seats. It was at the point of the stalemate after the election that Zik and Aminu Kano took their combined 89 seats into alliance with Ahmadu Bello's NPC while Awolowo too had aligned his AG with United Middle Belt Congress (UMBC) of Joseph Tarka and together they went into the election but at the point of the post election stalemate, Awolowo and Joseph Tarka didn't fancy the idea of aligning themselves with the NPC. Get your facts straight before you write.


revolt:
NPC response was supporting Akintola and jailing AWO. I DONT KNOW HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE FABRICATION THAT ZIK CONNIVED WITH NPC TO JAIL AWO.
Awolowo's persecution started in 1962 and he was jailed in 1963. Those who initially were assisting Akintola to weaken Awolowo's AG faction in the West were Zik's NCNC allied members of the Western Region Assembly. An example is Madiebo who disrupted the first Akintola impeachment attempt by jumping on the table and trying to smash the mace on a pro-Awolowo faction member. Zik never cautioned him and lot other NCNC members because he was still fully in support of Balewa as he never imagined the possiblity of the crisis to one day spill over to the East and begin to consume himself as it later happened. If he wasn't in support of Balewa, why didn't he resign his Governor General position in protest? Aren't we accusing Osinbajo today of complicity in Buhari's misrule on the premise that he has refused to resign in protest of these killings and terrorist acts here and there?
revolt:

Zik Even called for all parties to boycott/ not participate in the 1964 elections. Pls get your facts right. Let's not forget Zik was even rejected by igbos by 1964 and was beaten by a younger Michael okpara.
That was in 1964 after he had finally broken up with Balewa on account of the fact that the East had started feeling the spill over of the Balewa heat from the West. In essence, it was an afterthought and medicine after death.

revolt:

In essence ifbos didn't forgive zik for his northern alliance and revolted against him.
Now you are talking. That Zik'sdecision to go into Northern alliance put all of us Southerners into the mess we are in today. But initially you were trying to rationalize it with claims of the North being favoured, being lager in landmass and all that jazz. By that myopic and ill-conceived choice, Zik killed all of us Southerners and endangered our generations yet unborn. Even president Nkuruma of Ghana was reportedly shocked on hearing about that choice of Zik at such a critical and defining moment. Are you yourself happy about the insecurity currently ravaging the south on account of the born to rule agenda of the Fulanis which would have been crushed in the bud if Zik had put his loftly and unrealistic one-Nigeria dream aside and faced reality?

revolt:

I understand from a yoruba point of view... Awo did the right thing by supporting the northern elements in 1966 cos of some little gains they got from the nationalization policy... but that was.a very myopic decision and short term driven.
. Awolowo was still in prison when the Northern revenge coup happened, so how could he have supported the coup from inside prison? The nationalization policy was done at a time Igbos were fighting to pull out of Nigeria so how could a country extend it's own policy to benefit a people who were already seeing themselves as foreigners and fighting to actualize that status?
revolt:

The results of 1993 election still shows that'sore than a quarter of igbo land voted mko. Obj was yoruba... igbos have no inclination to why he's hated.
Nearly doesn't kill a bird. Jonathan got up to one quarter in many Northern states too in 2015 but we Southerners still feel that the North kicked him out.
Yorubas hated OBJ because of:
His misrule as Military HoS, his shambolically conducted elections by which Shagari a Fulani emerged as president, his mockery of MKO while the struggle for June 12 actualization lasted, his general immorality and poor self conduct, etc., and Igbos knew these.
revolt:

However there waere other parties that had igbo candidates and they all unilaterally stepped down for their yoruba counterparts like FALAE etc...
That wasn't as important as Igbos cooperating with Yorubas to vote Falae against Obasanjo towards forging for the first time the much needed Southern alliance required to once and for all put paid to the North's born to rule mentality.
I am not Yoruba or Igbo, but from all my studies of Nigeria's political history, Nigeria can only be saved from all further catastrophe and misgovernance by Igbo-Yoruba alliance which unfortunately doesn't seem likely. Once Igbos and Yorubas allign, we the Southern minorities will have no choice than to tag along together with the Middle Belt and the Core North will be easily defeated and demystified.
revolt:

I Dare you to mention one time the yorubas supported an igbo cause.
Neither have Igbos ever supported Yoruba course.
However the truth remains that when it really mattered that Yorubas and Igbos come together to forestall the impending danger of Northern domination, Yorubas saw it and made an offer to Igbos, but Igbos turned it down and that was the beginning of the troubles we all facr today.

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Re: Zoning: Southern Governors Forum Reacts To Northern Governors' Statement by revolt(m): 5:06pm On Jun 06, 2022
Deadlytruth:


You obviously have never watched the video in which Ahmadu Bello implicitly made it clear that when he bacame Northern Region premier in that same 1952 you reference, he was compelled to set sail a Northernization policy for his Northern Region because the Eastern and Western Regions were not giving the same opportunity to Northerners residing among them the way the Northern Region was doing to Southerners resident in the North. He specifically asked the British journalist how many Northerners were employed in the Eastern and Western civil servants and that Journalist went dumb for lack of a factual response. Nigeria was never one at any time contrary to your narrative. Was the 1945 in which Northern mobs killed Igbos in Jos not a time far before 1952? Interethnic suspicion and hatred had always been there. In fact as far back as 1944 Ahmadu Bello had correctly described Nigeria as the mistake of 1914 while Awolowo also correctly termed it a mere geographical expression. Only Zik and Igbos were deluding themselves with alternate reality and therefore singing one-Nigeria amidst the clear danger it portended.

In actual fact Zik was the one who introduced tribalism officially into Nigerian politics, and that was in 1938 when he pulled out of NYM in anger over the loss of the group's second chairmanship election by his favoured candidate to a minority man of the Ijaw extraction. He hypocritically cited the rather intra-Yoruba biases which he had no business but never saw anything wrong with a similar intra-Igbo bias of the Osu caste system which was worse than the Yoruba version he cited. In addition, a nationwide inter-secondary schools football competition was played far before 1952 and the final happened to be between an Eastern Region school and a Western Region school. The Eastern Region school won the cup and the next day, an article authored by Zik appeared in the Pilot Newspaper in which Zik credited the victory to the Igboness of the members of the team rather than to their skills. What was that if not a tribalistic slur against other tribes of Nigeria? Still, as at 1945 Oscar Onyeama had published an article in which he wrote that Igbo domination of Nigeria was just a question of time. In 1949 Azikiwe reinforced him by declaring publicly that it was getting clearer by the day that the gods of Igbo land had destined Igbos to rule over the entire Africa. While Zik and Igbos made all these offensive tribalistic utterances, the other tribes maintained restraint.
Even till today, you can still see that only the Igbo man keeps boasting of being the most intelligent tribe, being the developers of every other regions while their own home region ironically lays in ruins.

NCNC was a metamorphosis of NNDP which was the first political party ever founded in Nigeria and that was in 1922 by Herbert Macaulay who had a Yoruba mum and a Sierra Leonean dad. As an elderly person on account of being born in 1864 or so, his ideology, though foresighted and we'll thought out, didn't sit well with the relatively younger generation of youths like Enahoro, Awolowo, Azikiwe, Earnest Ikoli, etc who therefore decided to form a youth movement (NYM) to press for an Independence earlier than the 1980s and 1990' envisaged by Herbert Macaulay for same and which would have been better for us today. But after having his candidate losing the NYM president election, Zik betrayed his NYM colleagues by pulling out and, as against the earlier agreement, going back to join NNDP which was already being repackaged as NCNC by Herbert Macaulay.
The cross carpeting allegation has been severally debunked even by Zik himself in his book "My Odyssey". As recorded by foreign observers of that election, what happened was a stalemate at the first run which retuned no party with the required simple majority to form government even though AG had the leading figures. The few cases of cross carpeting didn't make any substantial difference in favour of Zik. Meanwhile some AG members too crosscarpeted to NCNC in that very scenario. An example was Pa Awodi who who was representing my own Kukuruku Constituency now Edo North Senatorial District. Only two people joined AG from NCNC. What made the real difference for Awolowo was the decision of the smaller but substantially prominent parties like Ibadan Peoples Party (IPP), Ondo Industrial League (OIL) etc to align with AG just exactly the way Igbos alligned their NCNC with Hausafulanis NPC at independence. So how does that amount to crosscarpeting?
Go and read Zik's "My Odyssey" and you'll see the whole truth from the horse's mouth.
Moreover, Awolowo's call against Zik's bid to govern the Western Region wasn't a Yoruba agenda pursuit otherwise the Urhobo member of the house who heeded it and moved from NCNC to AG wouldn't have done so. As a federalist, Awolowo's arguement was that the regions were created in response to the demand for self governance by the different tribes hence an incursion into the West by Zik would amount to a defeat of the essence of the creation of the regions in the first instance. Awolowo maintained that each region should be governed by her own natives and not a native of another region. There were non-Yoruba tribes indegenous to the Western Region, eg. Binis, Esans, Etunos, Etsakos, Unemes, Okpameris, Okpes, Ososos, and even Igbo tribes like Anioma, and Awolowo wasn't opposed to them seeking to be premier. Why couldn't Zik install a Yoruba man or a Hausafulani as premier of the Eastern Region first before going to the west to seek same for himself? Shouldn't charity begin from home? Was his idea of one-Nigeria only meant to be upheld in the Western Region?
Those who went to negotiate with the North from the West were the Akintola faction of AG and they didn't receive Awolowo's blessings for that. It was already an open secrete then that AG was already factionalized between Akintola and Awolowo with Awolowo's faction still maintaining dominance hence a marriage between it and NCNC would have more combined MP seats to defeat NPC. The issue back then wasn't landmass but MP seats and popular votes boths of which the AG and NCNC figures combined would have easily killed NPC with their landmass. If not, why was Ahmadu Bello threatening to pull the North out of Nigeria should the Southern alliance materialize?
Two facts rubbish this claim of yours as follows:
1. At the height of being pummeled by Balewa courtesy of the rigging of the 1962 census and re-riging of its rerun against Zik's Eastern Region, Zik and Okpara pulled out of the NPC-NCNC alliance and began to seek audience with the same Awolowo through his wife for the negotiation of the very all-South proposal they had rejected four years earlier on so as to be able to fight the North back. How do you return to a person you don't trust to save you in times of trouble?
2. In "My Odyssey" Zik confessed that he chose the Igbo-Hausafulani alliance because he had assumed that an alliance cutting across North and South was better for national unity. Please go and read that book.

I have already bursted the crosscarpeting allegation. If you want links to interviews in which a honest Igbo member of the parliament who witnessed the whole event confessed that there was really nothing like that, I will gladly oblige you here. Your NEPU story is pure falsehood as Zik's alliance with NEPU predated independence hence never after the break up between him and Balewa. In the build up to the 1959 elections, zik had always loved the core North so he first took NCNC into alliance with Aminu Kanu's NEPU and together they went into the 1959 elections and came out with 89 MP seats. It was at the point of the stalemate after the election that Zik and Aminu Kano took their combined 89 seats into alliance with Ahmadu Bello's NPC while Awolowo too had aligned his AG with United Middle Belt Congress (UMBC) of Joseph Tarka and together they went into the election but at the point of the post election stalemate, Awolowo and Joseph Tarka didn't fancy the idea of aligning themselves with the NPC. Get your facts straight before you write.



Awolowo's persecution started in 1962 and he was jailed in 1963. Those who initially were assisting Akintola to weaken Awolowo's AG faction in the West were Zik's NCNC allied members of the Western Region Assembly. An example is Madiebo who disrupted the first Akintola impeachment attempt by jumping on the table and trying to smash the mace on a pro-Awolowo faction member. Zik never cautioned him and lot other NCNC members because he was still fully in support of Balewa as he never imagined the possiblity of the crisis to one day spill over to the East and begin to consume himself as it later happened. If he wasn't in support of Balewa, why didn't he resign his Governor General position in protest? Aren't we accusing Osinbajo today of complicity in Buhari's misrule on the premise that he has refused to resign in protest of these killings and terrorist acts here and there?
That was in 1964 after he had finally broken up with Balewa on account of the fact that the East had started feeling the spill over of the Balewa heat from the West. In essence, it was an afterthought and medicine after death.


Now you are talking. That Zik'sdecision to go into Northern alliance put all of us Southerners into the mess we are in today. But initially you were trying to rationalize it with claims of the North being favoured, being lager in landmass and all that jazz. By that myopic and ill-conceived choice, Zik killed all of us Southerners and endangered our generations yet unborn. Even president Nkuruma of Ghana was reportedly shocked on hearing about that choice of Zik at such a critical and defining moment. Are you yourself happy about the insecurity currently ravaging the south on account of the born to rule agenda of the Fulanis which would have been crushed in the bud if Zik had put his loftly and unrealistic one-Nigeria dream aside and faced reality?

. Awolowo was still in prison when the Northern revenge coup happened, so how could he have supported the coup from inside prison? The nationalization policy was done at a time Igbos were fighting to pull out of Nigeria so how could a country extend it's own policy to benefit a people who were already seeing themselves as foreigners and fighting to actualize that status?
Nearly doesn't kill a bird. Jonathan got up to one quarter in many Northern states too in 2015 but we Southerners still feel that the North kicked him out.
Yorubas hated OBJ because of:
His misrule as Military HoS, his shambolically conducted elections by which Shagari a Fulani emerged as president, his mockery of MKO while the struggle for June 12 actualization lasted, his general immorality and poor self conduct, etc., and Igbos knew these.
That wasn't as important as Igbos cooperating with Yorubas to vote Falae against Obasanjo towards forging for the first time the much needed Southern alliance required to once and for all put paid to the North's born to rule mentality.
I am not Yoruba or Igbo, but from all my studies of Nigeria's political history, Nigeria can only be saved from all further catastrophe and misgovernance by Igbo-Yoruba alliance which unfortunately doesn't seem likely. Once Igbos and Yorubas allign, we the Southern minorities will have no choice than to tag along together with the Middle Belt and the Core North will be easily defeated and demystified.

Neither have Igbos ever supported Yoruba course.
However the truth remains that when it really mattered that Yorubas and Igbos come together to forestall the impending danger of Northern domination, Yorubas saw it and made an offer to Igbos, but Igbos turned it down and that was the beginning of the troubles we all facr today.

Apparently we will keep going back and forth with history excerpts as given from different players ie partisan actors.

http://listofreasons..com/2018/04/four-4-reasons-why-npc-and-ncnc-formed.html?m=1

I hope this can give us some perspective to why the NCNC formed a coalition with AG.

HOwever you keep making it look Luke ZIK represented igbos. Igbos revolted against Zik. UPGA was an alliance formed by NCNC (which zik had practically been kicked out) NEPU and AG.

Since both of us were not born and only gathered this info from the older generations and their partisan views, how about we look at the political scenario we have both experienced.

I have seen igbos take a back seat and vote massively for a yoruba candidate(s)... can we say that of the yorubas.

Yes we all know until igbos and yorubas unite the north will continue to rule. Unfortunately igbos have atleast given support to yorubas.. yourbas even voted GEJ out to spite igbos. We're igbos fully represented in Objs govt.? No.. but he recieved their support. Your historical excerpts are majorly based on false narratives eg.... THE FIRST MAYOR OF ENUGU WASNT IGBO.... HE WAS VOTED BY IGBOS. HIS NAME IS UMARU ALTINE.

Zik was in a meeting with AG delegates in onitsha when he got a call from sardauna informing him of AG delegates too.. so I don't know where your narrative came from.

We can keep arguing back and forth but we forged a southern unity block and in my lifetime... the yorubas treacherously trumped it backing up historical claims.

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