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@kobojunkie
Once again churches are based on the teaching of jesus christ.

Jesus didn't not mentioned it to the disciples not to go to a church, they even started the early missionary.

You said we preach doctrines and not the teaching of jesus, while we preach with the bible, do the propagation of the gospel jesus commanded us to do, and the perform signs and wonders he said we would do. "Ye would do more than what i did", this is to show that jesus is with us, we don't need an advice from you, jesus is our mentor.

And to your last question, "condemning the church, because you felt they aren't doing the right thing is a personal belief, and it's called doctrine". Your view as a christian, your preachings and your way of life is your doctrine.
Your view condemns the churches, your preachings and way of life also condemn the church. Now tell how that isn't your doctrine? And don't forget you preach your way of life linking it with the bible the way churches does.
@kobojunkie

Kobojunkie:
1. Yes, every single one of them told the best lie possible but each time I walked away even more repulsed at how senseless it all seemed.

2. Like I said before now, my deciding to seek answers from God had nothing to do with the lies fed me of God by your so-called evangelists. I had existential questions that needed answering and since all others failed at providing me answers I decided to seek a God, any God to give me answers. The one who replied was the Adonai.

Lol, i will open your understanding to something.
1. They preached to u before u tested ur faith. Definetely you got to know d bible nd jesus through churches, without churches nd evangelists you won't know jesus, believe it or not.
2. Only holy spirit and God gives answer to requests, and understanding 2 d ignorance. Because u asked dem questions nd they couldn't answer doesn't mean they're false, don't forget u know bible nd jesus tru evangelism. No church no christianity, true fact.

Obafavour:
Lol, i will open your understanding to something.
1. They preached to u before u tested ur faith. Definetely you got to know d bible nd jesus through churches, without churches nd evangelists you won't know jesus, believe it or not.

2. Only holy spirit and God gives answer to requests, and understanding 2 d ignorance. Because u asked dem questions nd they couldn't answer doesn't mean they're false, don't forget u know bible nd jesus tru evangelism. No church no christianity, true fact.

1. The first book God had me read, wasn't a bible or any of your church stuff. Instead, it was a book about the Reformation and what I learned from reading the parts He let me read in that book was that indeed He, God, was not a part of what you call your churches and their activities.

Next, I remember reading the Pentateuch, and got all excited about how it suddenly began coming together in my head. But eventually went into reading extra biblical scriptures as well. Later on the epistles of Paul, and lastly the gospels....

I know you lot like to claim glory for that which instead belongs to God but I am afraid there is nothing for you to claim here.

2. They are false because all they said were lies based on the lies which were the doctrines and traditions of their churches, pastors and mogs. Many of you don't even understand what it truly means to be born-again, let alone be saved. As a matter of fact, I doubt a majority even understand what Salvation is even about and how to obtain it.

@kobojunkie
The church you're condemning, brought about christianity, the holy book you're holding, evangelism, dates of the week, months of the year, christmas, easter all that, and none of this you condemned, hmmmn, don't be confused. Though it was personal consultation, but you heard before consulting.

Do you want to tell me you don't follow the admonishment of the apostles in the bible?

What you're saying is just like condeming the shrine after getting answer to your request from ifa, shrine were ifa words are canon, and where ifa worshipping arose lol. Common think!!!
@kobojunkie

Obafavour:
1. The church you're condemning, brought about christianity, the holy book you're holding, evangelism, dates of the week, months of the year, christmas, easter all that, and none of this you condemned, hmmmn, don't be confused. Though it was personal consultation, but you heard before consulting.

2. Do you want to tell me you don't follow the admonishment of the apostles in the bible?

3. What you're saying is just like condeming the shrine after getting answer to your request from ifa, shrine were ifa words are canon, and where ifa worshipping arose lol. Common think!!!

1. Everything you listed there have absolutely nothing to do with God and the things of God. Even your claimed Holy book is nothing more than a compendium of books compiled from writings of different authors, penned in different humans languages to be read and understood by human minds. Nothing holy about any of that. That you elevate these things in your existence does not make them of the Almighty. They are of men, but not of God.

2. Again, what admonishments do you continue to harp on. I am a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of His apostles/servants.

3. Your shrine has nothing to do with God. That is what God said and I believe God..

@kobojunkie
If you like argue from today till tomorrow.
Without church "no bible, no christianity, no salvation, no evangelism" it was the church that brought all about this through the insipiration of the holy spirit. Believe it or not, it doesn't change anything.
You can't even denied that it was the christians evangelism that made you tested your faith.
He has built the church on the rock and the gate of hell will never prevail.
@kobojunkie

Obafavour:
1. If you like argue from today till tomorrow.
Without church "no bible, no christianity, no salvation, no evangelism" it was the church that brought all about this through the insipiration of the holy spirit. Believe it or not, it doesn't change anything.

2. You can't even denied that it was the christians evangelism that made you tested your faith.

3. He has built the church on the rock and the gate of hell will never prevail.

1. It is understandable that you believe that as it reveals you have indeed swallowed, hook, line and sinker, propaganda fed you by your churches that God is practically impotent without it.

2. I already told you it isn't, but you don't want to believe since in your mind, you have convinced yourself that even where God Himself directly intervenes, the glory must go to your churches.

3. Your churches represent the gates of Hell aka tge broad gate that leads the multitudes to eternal destruction aka Hell. I mean with over 2 billion who submit themselves regularly to that which is Antichrist aka against that commanded by Jesus Christ, what else do you think?

Kobojunkie:
1. Everything you listed there have absolutely nothing to do with God nd d things of God. Even ur claimed Holy book is nothing more dan a compendium of books compiled from writings of different authors, penned in different humans languages to be read and understood by human minds. Nothing holy about any of that. That you elevate these things in your existence does not make them of the Almighty. They are of men, but not of God.
2. Again, what admonishments do you continue to harp on. I am a follower of Jesus Christ, not a follower of His apostles/servants.
3. Your shrine has nothing to do with God. That is what God said and I believe God..

1. But you used those compedium book as a source, don't forget it was canon by the church.
2. Once u read d books of d apostles nd accept it, then u've followed their admonishment, which u can't avoid nor deny.
3. I was just making camparison there, don't be eager to reply, read and understand.

Obafavour:
1. But you used those compedium book as a source, don't forget it was canon by the church.

2. Once u read d books of d apostles nd accept it, then u've followed their admonishment, which u can't avoid nor deny.
3. I was just making camparison there, don't be eager to reply, read and understand.

1. I didn't use it any differently than I did the history book I had initially read, and your church canons means nothing since it isn't a holy book as you lot like to pretend. And the reason being you don't even know what it means to say a thing is Holy.

2. That makes no sense at all. I read the letters and I accept the opinions expressed as expressed. Why that translates to meaning I follow their admonishments you have yet to explain.

3. But your shrine which you call churches have absolutely nothing to do with God, and this according to God Himself.

Kobojunkie:
1. It is understandable dat u believe dat as it reveals u ve indeed swallowed, hook, linend sinker, propaganda fed you by ur churches dat God is practically impotent withoutit.
2. I already told u it isn't, bu udon'twantto believe since in your mind, u ve convincedurself dat even where GodHimself directly intervenes, d glory mustgo to ur churches.
3. Ur churches represent d gates of Hell aka d broad gatedat leads d multitudes to eternal destructionaka Hell. I mean with over 2 billion who submitdemselves regularlyto dat which is Antichrist aka against dat commandedby Jesus Christ,whatelse do u think?

1. Without church dose things i have mentioned won't exist, it was the inspirationof God.
2. no one's giving church d glory, but itwas tru church u knw salvation, or what u're sayin isdat, without church u'll knw biblend jesus. lol
3. church's a gate to hell nd ubelieved whatwe gave u. u'll b d 1st ofhell cand, God'll punish u for being too stupid.

@kobojunkie
I meant too stupid to accept our lord teaching. lol. you better change and stop deceiving urself.
Churches are based on jesus teaching, except for the false prophet.
With your comments and replies it shows you've fallen into the hand of a false pastor b4, don't use dat to judge, not all pastors are false,even jesus didn't say all prophet will be false he only said many not all.
@kobojunkie

Obafavour:
1. Without church dose things i have mentioned won't exist, it was the inspirationof God.

2. no one's giving church d glory, but itwas tru church u knw salvation, or what u're sayin isdat, without church u'll knw biblend jesus. lol

3. church's a gate to hell nd ubelieved whatwe gave u. u'll b d 1st ofhell cand, God'll punish u for being too stupid.

1. Again, It is understandable that you believe that as it reveals you have indeed swallowed, hook, line and sinker, propaganda fed you by your churches that God is practically impotent without it.

2. Before your churches came into existence, the Truth of God was spread far and wide by God Himself. The same God who convinced the first apostles to abandon all that they had ever known, loved and owned for His sake, is still today, convincing those who truly seek Him the same way. He used Jesus Christ to teach His apostles, and He still uses His Word to teach even today.

Yes I understand very well that you have convinced yourself that even where God Himself directly intervenes, the glory must go to your churches, and I am not going to try to stop you.

3. The one who gave to me is God. However, I do understand that like the Pharisees and their blind followers, you also need to claim glory for your churches.

Kobojunkie:
1. I didn't use it any differently than I did the history book I had initially read, and your church canons means nothing since it isn't a holy book as you lot like to pretend. And the reason being you don't even know what it means to say a thing is Holy.

2. That makes no sense at all. I read the letters and I accept the opinions expressed as expressed. Why that translates to meaning I follow their admonishments you have yet to explain.

3. But your shrine which you call churches have absolutely nothing to do with God, and this according to God Himself.

1. It doesn't change anything. It was through God inspiration that's why we call it "holy bible".
2. I think you're beginning to agree with my point, later you'll agree 100% just for a while. You accepting their letter also means you follow their admonishment.
3. It was just a comparison, can't you read and comprehend?!!!

Obafavour:
1. I meant too stupid to accept our lord teaching. lol. you better change and stop deceiving urself.
Churches are based on jesus teaching, except for the false prophet.

2. With your comments and replies it shows you've fallen into the hand of a false pastor b4,

3. don't use dat to judge, not all pastors are false, even jesus didn't say all prophet will be false he only said many not all.

1. Again, your churches are founded on lies that have nothing to do with that taught by Jesus Christ so they cannot be said to be or Jesus Christ.

2. How can I fall into the hands of those you call false pastors when the only one whose teaching I submit to is Jesus Christ? Or are you here insinuating that Jesus Christ Himself is a false teacher?

3. Jesus Christ told you that He alone is the good shepherd meaning all others are bad shepherds - John 10 vs 1 - 16

Jesus Christ never told you God would send you any prophets in His name implying anyone who comes in Jesus Christ claiming to be a prophet is a liar. He decreed that He alone is Teacher to each and everyone who belongs to Him meaning all others who pretend to teach His flock in His name are false teachers - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 & Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

Note the above are all in lines are from Jesus Christ Himself. So if you have a problem with any of above, fight Him directly.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, It is understandable dat u believe dat as it reveals u ve indeed swallowed, hook, line and sinker, propaganda fed you by ur churches dat God is practically impotent without it.
2. B4 ur churches came into existence, d Truth of God was spread far nd wide by God Himself. D same God who convinced d first apostles 2 abandon all that they had ever known, loved and owned for His sake, is still today, convincing dose who truly seek Him d same way. He used Jesus Christ to teach His apostles, and He still uses His Word to teach even today.
Yes I understand very well that you have convinced yourself that even where God Himself directly intervenes, the glory must go to your churches, nd I am not going to try to stop you.
3. D one who gave to me is God. However, I do understand dat like the Pharisees and their blind followers, you also need to claim glory for ur churches.

Again, no one is giving glory to the church, without God no church.

@kobojunkie
And without God inspiration and breathing to the church, christianity won't be were it is today.
Stop condeming the church, it is the house of God, i pray you have more understanding about the word of God "bible" and the church to see d relationship between the two.
@kobojunkie

Obafavour:
1. It doesn't change anything. It was through God inspiration that's why we call it "holy bible".
2. I think you're beginning to agree with my point, later you'll agree 100% just for a while. You accepting their letter also means you follow their admonishment.
3. It was just a comparison, can't you read and comprehend?!!!

1. In Genesis 2, we learn that the knowledge of good and evil belongs to God meaning they are all of them inspired by God. If we are then to follow your logic above, that means all books in the world, opinions etc. , are all holy. Is that was you truly believe?

2. Like I said, what you continue to harp on makes no sense at all. I read the epistles, and I accept the opinions expressed as opinions expressed by men. Why that translates to meaning I follow their admonishments you have yet to explain?

3. Regardless, the Truth of God is that your churches are like shrines that have absolutely nothing to do with Him though.

Obafavour:
Again, no one is giving glory to the church, without God no church.

Again, God disavow your churches. So when you insert your church between God and His own,what you do is attempt to give glory that belongs to God to your churches, same way the Pharisees before you did.

@kobojunkie
You seem not to understand the bible at all.
Those that started the missionary/assembly (those that head the assembly "the elders, deacons e.t.c" after jesus ascension, what are they?
@kobojunkie

Obafavour:
1. And without God inspiration and breathing to the church, christianity won't be were it is today.

2. Stop condeming the church, it is the house of God,

3. i pray you have more understanding about the word of God "bible" and the church to see d relationship between the two.

1. Look, even Satan was created by God, that doesn't make him holy now, does it?

2. I am not the one who condemns your churches. Jesus Christ, the King over Heaven and over Hell .I.e. the Kingdom of God, did that.

The House of God is in the hearts of the individuals who belong to Jesus Christ and not your churches - John 14 vs 15 - 25 .

3. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, the one who is the Word out of God's own mouth. Again, your Bible is simply a compendium of books written by different human authors in different human languages. There is nothing holy about works born of human hands.

Kobojunkie:
Again, God disavow your churches. So when you insert your church between God and His own,what you do is attempt to give glory that belongs to God to your churches, same way the Pharisees before you did.

No God no earth, man e.t.c are we giving glory to the works of God or God himself?
I pray God gives you understanding.

Image123:
Lol, i don't know everyone personally but they are not the Word of God. The Word of God is the yardstick, so stop looking at men. The irony is that many of them preach what you are asking, and that's why many lose faith in God. Everyone wants to be like their healthy and rich pastors but God doesn't promise everyone health and riches in this life.
The point is that persecution is a normal and expected thing for Christians, just like temptations. But we don't pray for it, in fact we pray not to be led into temptation/persecution but delivered from evil. Like temptations, persecution is not necessarily everytime or in same form.
Some of these men you think are enjoying as believers have gone through physical persecution at some time and may still go through in future. If it happens, Christians that know won't be grumbling that why did God allow Bishop or Pastor to be persecuted.

Finally, all persecution is not death or imprisonment. It can be mockery, slander, speaking evil against, lying against, gossip, denial of rights etc. A Christian can be delayed or denied promotion or benefits because he/she refuses to "cooperate". Sometimes you don't see or know this. It is 5 years later or 20 years later you see God blessing him and he's looking all clean you'll think that he has never faced challenges. Every human faces challenges and trials of some form.

It was you who was making the claim that all living godly in Christ must suffer so what are these people suffering? What are you suffering?

Obafavour:
You seem not to understand the bible at all.
Those that started the missionary/assembly (those that head the assembly "the elders, deacons e.t.c" after jesus ascension, what are they?

Did Jesus Christ command these missionary/assembly you speak of?

Obafavour:
No God no earth, man e.t.c are we giving glory to the works of God or God himself?
I pray God gives you understanding.

Worry more about yourself and those you have set up as god over you.

LordReed:
It was you who was making the claim that all living godly in Christ must suffer so what are these people suffering? What are you suffering?

You don't have to suffer all the time and all your life and it doesn't have to be death or imprisonment. It can be other forms of suffering. i have suffered mockery and denial. i don't know about tomorrow.

Kobojunkie:
1. Look, even Satan was created by God, that doesn't make him holy now, does it?

2. I am not the one who condemns your churches. Jesus Christ, the King over Heaven and over Hell .I.e. the Kingdom of God, did that.

The House of God is in the hearts of the individuals who belong to Jesus Christ and not your churches - John 14 vs 15 - 25 .

3. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, the one who is the Word out of God's own mouth. Again, your Bible is simply a compendium of books written by different human authors in different human languages. There is nothing holy about works born of human hands.

2. What jesus was preaching is to give our heart to him, it's what matters the most not the building. But through the unity among early christians we have assemblies. The early assembly in d bible what will you call it?
3. And how do we know jesus christ?
There're a lot to know about the word of God. It's a mystery, only the grace of GOD.

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ command these missionary/assembly you speak of?

How are we going to take the holy communion in unity as jesus commanded us to do?
"Luke 22:15-20"

Kobojunkie:
Worry more about yourself and those you have set up as god over you.

Worry more about your lack of understanding of the word of God

Obafavour:
1. What jesus was preaching is to give our heart to him, it's what matters the most not the building.

2. But through the unity among early christians we have assemblies. The early assembly in d bible what will you call it?

3.. And how do we know jesus christ?
There're a lot to know about the word of God. It's a mystery, only the grace of GOD.

1. Where exactly do you find it written in scripture that Jesus Christ asks that you to give your heart to Him?.

2. Through unity you have assemblies and established for yourselves that which was not commanded by Jesus Christ, right?

3. What you call a mystery isn't a mystery to those who obey Jesus Christ. This since He said that if you use the understanding you have,more understanding of the Kingdom of God will be given to you. - Matthew 13 vs 12 and Matthew 25 vs 29 and Mark 4 vs 22 - 24

There is nothing mysterious about the Truth of God as He is God's Law and Covenant in the Kingdom of God. This Law, Jesus Christ, comes to us with about 100 commandments in total and those who love Jesus Christ are those who live every moment of their existence in submission and obedience of the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ.

Obafavour:
How are we going to take the holy communion in unity as jesus commanded us to do?
"Luke 22:15-20"

In Unity?

Did Jesus Christ teach you, anyywhere there in Luke 22 vs 15 - 20, that if you eat His body and drink His blood alone, that you will be denied eternal life and a change at the agreement which God offers to you as an individual- Matthew 26 vs 28- 30?

Obafavour:
Worry more about your lack of understanding of the word of God

I don't have to worry since I believe instead what Jesus Christ instead taught in Matthew 13 vs 12 and Matthew 25 vs 29.

Image123:
You don't have to suffer all the time and all your life and it doesn't have to be death or imprisonment. It can be other forms of suffering. i have suffered mockery and denial. i don't know about tomorrow.

How is that different from any other human being especially non believers in your Jesus?