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paxonel:
I really don't know if there are prophesies concerning the growth of Islam in the Quran. The one i know is that of Christianity which has been fulfilled and serves as evidence

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

God is not seen that's why you can say he does not exist right?
I'm telling you now that Faith is the evidence that, that God that is not seen exist

Yes there are prophecies. Even the Muslims believe that the whole world will become Islamic. And by about 2070 it is estimated that Islam will overtake Christianity according to current population growth trends.

The fact that a god has not been seen is just 1 reason why one can consider why a god doesn't exist but it is not the major reason why I know your god doesn't exist.

paxonel:
As a matter of fact, these kind of criticism helps to question dogmatic conservative beliefs and allows more realistic school of thoughts.
So, it is very healthy for Christianity today

Remember, it was the same kind of criticism Galelio made against the church in his time. Today, knowing that Galelio was right in his critism made the church better today in terms of cosmological knowledge
Christianity was never meant to be practiced religiously in the first place. It was suppose to be a day to day normal living.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
at the time of the intense covid19 pandemic what happened?
For more than five months Adeboye and Oyedepo did not go to church again.

Did they die for not going to church?
The answer is no!

But before the pandemic it appeared that if these men miss going to church in one Sunday something terrible will happen to them.

There were Nigerians who had the same belief until the pandemic came and thought them a lesson

It still doesn't change the fact that the less religious people become, the more the religion dies. And Those pastors who have got a hold on the masses won't be alive anymore. Same thing with our politicians. So 100 years from now, there'd be a massive decline in Christianity. As for Islam, that terrorist organization might take a thousand years. But like I said, it wouldn't matter. We'd all be dead.

kingxsamz:
It still doesn't change the fact that the less religious people become, the more the religion dies.

very true!
But so far, that isn't the case with Christianity.

For instance, I myself I'm less religious.
I hardly go to church.
If you don't ask me one on one, you won't even know that I'm a Christian. Except for the comments i posts on NL

There are millions of Christians who are like that, especially among the youths. It doesn't change the fact that they are still Christians in the heart.

Belonging to a religion or not is a thing of the heart, not what you see people do.

And Those pastors who have got a hold on the masses won't be alive anymore. Same thing with our politicians. So 100 years from now, there'd be a massive decline in Christianity

You can't predict it that way it does not follow .

As for Islam, that terrorist organization might take a thousand years. But like I said, it wouldn't matter. We'd all be dead.

even the coercive and violent approach or Islamic jihads over the years have ensure the growth of Islam world-wide.

Terrorism will not stop now, that means Islam will continue to grow

LordReed:
Yes there are prophecies. Even the Muslims believe that the whole world will become Islamic. And by about 2070 it is estimated that Islam will overtake Christianity according to current population growth trends.

it is very possible that may happen, anything is possible

The fact that a god has not been seen is just 1 reason why one can consider why a god doesn't exist but it is not the major reason why I know your god doesn't exist.

what exactly is the major reason?
Is it that he did not answer your prayer or he allows evil to thrive?

paxonel:
it is very possible that may happen, anything is possible
what exactly is the major reason?
Is it that he did not answer your prayer or he allows evil to thrive?

What is funny?

paxonel:
it is very possible that may happen, anything is possible

So that proves Islam is true?

what exactly is the major reason?
Is it that he did not answer your prayer or he allows evil to thrive?

I already told you. The god does not fit with reality. If your god did exist reality would be a whole lot different but what we experience together doesn't look like what the attributes of the god you believe in would accomplish.

"THEN YOU ARE A WASTE".

LordReed:
So that proves Islam is true?

That will be true only if there was any such prophecy like you said.
But having gone to check i discover that there is no such thing in the Quran that Muhammad or any Islamic prophet project into the future about the growth of islam. They can't even try it because they are mere humans

I already told you. The god does not fit with reality. If your god did exist reality would be a whole lot different but what we experience together doesn't look like what the attributes of the god you believe in would accomplish.

What attributes of God did they tell you?

HellVictorinho4:
What is funny?

you don't know the content of what we were discussing

paxonel:
That will be true only if there was any such prophecy like you said.
But having gone to check i discover that there is no such thing in the Quran that Muhammad or any Islamic prophet project into the future about the growth of islam. They can't even try it because they are mere humans

3. The Globalization of Islam
Amidst the fiercest persecution and abuse that the Muslims faced in the earliest Meccan period, the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ would stand without wavering and convey to his followers God’s promise of Islam spreading all over the world. Tamīm ad-Dāri (rA) reports that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, “This matter will certainly reach every place touched by the night and day. Allah will not leave a house of mud or [even] fur except that Allah will cause this religion to enter it, by which the honorable will be honored and the disgraceful will be disgraced. Allah will honor the honorable with Islam and he will disgrace the disgraceful with unbelief.”3 In another narration, reported by Thawbān (rA), “Indeed, Allah gathered up the earth for me so that I saw its east and its west; and indeed the dominion of my nation will reach what was gathered up for me from it.”4 The fact that these predictions were made at a time when Muslims were a powerless handful, and Islam was expected to be buried in its cradle, is nothing short of miraculous. At that point, presuming that the faith would even survive would be considered by most nothing short of a pipe-dream. But to predict that Islam would not just survive, but grow to thrive globally, was at that point inconceivable. For us nowadays, witnessing a quarter of this planet’s population as subscribers to Islam makes it clear that this was no presumption, but instead another prophecy inspired by the Divine.
https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/the-prophecies-of-prophet-muhammad

What attributes of God did they tell you?

Did who tell me?

paxonel:
And i have said his coming in the context of the scripture you mentioned that says "behold i come soon" refers to the day we will die.
I quoted this scripture to back it up

Hebrews 9:27 As it is appointed once for men to die, after that the judgement

The essence of him coming is to judge humans, and that will happen only when we die.

You will also agree that everyone are not going to die at the same date. Hence my statement EVERYONE HAVE THEIR OWN DATE OF HIS COMING "

This is the problem I have with the bible a verse can be translated in different ways to suit different purposes
The passage simply says "...behold I come soon" you are telling me that it means a different thing.

paxonel:
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

this talked about Jesus being crucified and resurrected.

His resurrection was actually done with great power and glory.

If you read down in that same Matthew 24 , he specifically said that generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.

Oga where was it stated in that verse that Jesus' death and resurrection is God's kingdom

paxonel:
And i have said his coming in the context of the scripture you mentioned that says "behold i come soon" refers to the day we will die.
I quoted this scripture to back it up

Hebrews 9:27 As it is appointed once for men to die, after that the judgement

The essence of him coming is to judge humans, and that will happen only when we die.

You will also agree that everyone are not going to die at the same date. Hence my statement EVERYONE HAVE THEIR OWN DATE OF HIS COMING "

Wait does this mean you don't believe in rapture,the world coming to an end and all that

paxonel:
I really don't know if there are prophesies concerning the growth of Islam in the Quran. The one i know is that of Christianity which has been fulfilled and serves as evidence

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

God is not seen that's why you can say he does not exist right?
I'm telling you now that Faith is the evidence that, that God that is not seen exist

Faith in the flying spaghetti monster right

kingxsamz:
Lmao, story.
Compare religious criticism of now and ten years ago. It's increasing. Even Christians now bash Christianity.
The younger generation are less religious than the older generation, and the younger generation don't really care much about religion. They'll only grow up to have more irreligious kids, and it goes on and on.
It's only the generation of pastor Adeboye and Oyedepo that are strict to religious practices. So...

You dey mind them
Even here in Nigeria things are changing,the level of religiosity in this generation is being diluted not that people are leaving religion in droves but their attachment to it and it's relevance in their lives is diminishing .

LordReed:
Yes there are prophecies. Even the Muslims believe that the whole world will become Islamic. And by about 2070 it is estimated that Islam will overtake Christianity according to current population growth trends.

The fact that a god has not been seen is just 1 reason why one can consider why a god doesn't exist but it is not the major reason why I know your god doesn't exist.

One key thing that paxonel has omitted is how that "prophecy" was fulfilled.
I know they like living in delusion but Christianity was spread by grandiose violence,fear,intimidation and deception
There was nothing divine about its spread

paxonel:
very true!
But so far, that isn't the case with Christianity.

For instance, I myself I'm less religious.
I hardly go to church.
If you don't ask me one on one, you won't even know that I'm a Christian. Except for the comments i posts on NL

There are millions of Christians who are like that, especially among the youths. It doesn't change the fact that they are still Christians in the heart.

Belonging to a religion or not is a thing of the heart, not what you see people do.
You can't predict it that way it does not follow .
even the coercive and violent approach or Islamic jihads over the years have ensure the growth of Islam world-wide.

Terrorism will not stop now, that means Islam will continue to grow

How did your religion gain relevance,no be through the same violence and intimidation

Hermes119:
One key thing that paxonel has omitted is how that "prophecy" was fulfilled.
I know they like living in delusion but Christianity was spread by grandiose violence,fear,intimidation and deception
There was nothing divine about its spread

Yes. I was just contemplating how Christianity didn't achieve that kind of impact until it became state sponsored.

LordReed:
Yes. I was just contemplating how Christianity didn't achieve that kind of impact until it became state sponsored.

Impact? Did state sponsored Christianity achieve any Christian impact? Isn't that the chief cause of the watered down Christianity and several divisions and doctrines?

Image123:
Impact? Did state sponsored Christianity achieve any Christian impact? Isn't that the chief cause of the watered down Christianity and several divisions and doctrines?

I dunno what you mean but Christianity became more widely known and accepted after it became state sponsored.

Image123:
Impact? Did state sponsored Christianity achieve any Christian impact? Isn't that the chief cause of the watered down Christianity and several divisions and doctrines?

What do you think led to the creation of christian bible?
Heard of the term “church fathers”?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers

LordReed:
I dunno what you mean but Christianity became more widely known and accepted after it became state sponsored.

Widely known and accepted as a religion, not as a practice. Most were and are not really following Christ. That's as succinct as it can be put.

Maynman:
What do you think led to the creation of christian bible?
Heard of the term “church fathers”?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers

Do you believe in God or God's Word?

Image123:
Do you believe in God or God's Word?

God is a title not person, which god are you talking about?

Image123:
Widely known and accepted as a religion, not as a practice. Most were and are not really following Christ. That's as succinct as it can be put.

The term “Christianity” was coined by this state, do you know?

Maynman:
God is a title not person, which god are you talking about?

The God we're discussing, which do you suppose? Your answer is clear to my direction though. The Lord has used different people and circumstances to keep His Word even before those you call Fathers. You have more exposure, education and maybe money than them, you should attempt removing a verse or two or adding a couple and let's see how far you get.

Maynman:
The term “Christianity” was coined by this state, do you know?

In Antioch?

Image123:
The God we're discussing, which do you suppose? Your answer is clear to my direction though. The Lord has used different people and circumstances to keep His Word even before those you call Fathers. You have more exposure, education and maybe money than them, you should attempt removing a verse or two or adding a couple and let's see how far you get.

Y’all are talking about Christians/Israelites gods, but which one, is it Elohim or Yahweh?

Those fathers were the one that created the Christian bible.

Image123:
In Antioch?

It was Tertualian that called them that, one of the church fathers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers
And he called them “Chrestian” later changed by the state sponsored Latin church to “Christian”.

Image123:
Widely known and accepted as a religion, not as a practice. Most were and are not really following Christ. That's as succinct as it can be put.

That is not a distinction I care to make. There 2+billion people who identify as Christians if you want to declare some of them as not Christian then that is up to you.

LordReed:
3. The Globalization of Islam
Amidst the fiercest persecution and abuse that the Muslims faced in the earliest Meccan period, the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ would stand without wavering and convey to his followers God’s promise of Islam spreading all over the world. Tamīm ad-Dāri (rA) reports that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, “This matter will certainly reach every place touched by the night and day. Allah will not leave a house of mud or [even] fur except that Allah will cause this religion to enter it, by which the honorable will be honored and the disgraceful will be disgraced. Allah will honor the honorable with Islam and he will disgrace the disgraceful with unbelief.”3 In another narration, reported by Thawbān (rA), “Indeed, Allah gathered up the earth for me so that I saw its east and its west; and indeed the dominion of my nation will reach what was gathered up for me from it.”4 The fact that these predictions were made at a time when Muslims were a powerless handful, and Islam was expected to be buried in its cradle, is nothing short of miraculous. At that point, presuming that the faith would even survive would be considered by most nothing short of a pipe-dream. But to predict that Islam would not just survive, but grow to thrive globally, was at that point inconceivable. For us nowadays, witnessing a quarter of this planet’s population as subscribers to Islam makes it clear that this was no presumption, but instead another prophecy inspired by the Divine.
https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/the-prophecies-of-prophet-muhammad

this article wasn't extracted from the Quran, right?

What chapter and verse?

paxonel:
this article wasn't extracted from the Quran, right?

What chapter and verse?

3 Collected by Aḥmad (16998, 23865) and al-Haythami said these narrators are those of Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhāri; al-Ḥākim (8326) who deemed it authentic according to the criteria of Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhāri and Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim; and al-Albāni authenticated it according to the criteria of Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim in as-Silsila aṣ-Ṣaḥīḥa (3).

4 Collected by Muslim (2899).