KnownUnknown:

Oh no!! YouTube is also used by jokers like @KnownUnknown.

MindHacker9009:
@budaatum

If you can watch hours of youtube videos you will see that records were kept as far back as 334BC of Alexander the great King of Macedonia.

budaatum:

When I was like really young, these mates of mine who grew up in Obanikoro Village told me rats talk. Well, even at barely 7, I was atheistic in nature, so I argued that rats don't talk. Now there were like 5 of them, so they ganged up on me calling me all sorts of names and that I know nothing, "rats talk jo!".

One day, about two years later, we were in the home of one of them and NTA was showing Tom and Jerry. "There," they said, pointing to the telly. "I thought you said rats don't talk?"

Turns out oyinbo rats do talk, silly me!

KnownUnknown:


Not to support the asinine OP that he was created by the Romans, but what if he wasn’t known inside or outside his stomping grounds because he didn’t exist at all.

budaatum:


Sorry Mindhacker, but if I "watch hours of youtube videos" I will be shown that records were kept but that does not make it true, and you might as well have said if I read the Bible for hours I'd be shown Gods exist or the earth is flat or that rats talk.

Records were not recorded and kept as rigourously as you seem to think, and what was recorded did not survive intact from 334BC is what proper scholar investigations shows. There were no journalists posting news reports for instance, and even today with them, we would argue about the authenticity of their kept records. And that's apart from the fact that Jesus would have been a rather insignificant individual prior to his supposed crucifixion which is what may have made him popular outside the tiny region he was written to have peddled his wares.

MindHacker9009:
@OkCornel

To show how backward you are and that you don't have a functioning brain, as you cannot watch hours of youtube Ancient History Documentary, that is one of many youtube videos that have enlightened those in developed countries who brought you and your forefathers your Chestus that has kept you in a shithole all along waiting for the second coming of your Chestus to get you out of the shithole they have put you in

Ancient History Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKjbc66qp3Y

MindHacker9009:
@budaatum

What is the oldest written history?

The Epic of Gilgamesh started out as a series of Sumerian poems and tales dating back to 2100 B.C., but the most complete version was written around the 12th century B.C. by the Babylonians.
https://www.history.com/news/what-is-the-oldest-known-piece-of-literature

budaatum:
KnownUnknown, MindHacker9009, do note that there is a difference between the existence of a Jesus Christ, and the truth of what is read about a Jesus Christ in the Bible.

While one may argue that no one literally walks on water or feeds thousands with a couple of loaves of bread and fish or raise the dead etc, that does not mean the person stories have been fabricated about did not exist.

I can fabricate lies about the billions of roubles I have in my pocket and how I fly to the moon for breakfast every morning but that does not make my existence a lie.

KnownUnknown:


I’m pretty sure that boy is from Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A. and is not a Jew. He is an American of European descent.



Let me get this straight. White girl in America paints a picture of a white American and calls it Jesus?
It is a painting of a bearded white man. How is this Jesus?! Did the Jesus guy leave any picture or bust of himself that can be used to verify this girl’s painting?



There stories are unverifiable and incredible. A painting of a random white man is just a painting of a random white man. There is nothing more to it. Unless the Jesus guy appeared in the flesh and the girl then painted him, there is nothing believable about her claim. Even then, proof of the encounter would be required and the words of a little white girl and her parents are thoroughly insufficient.
The four year old white boy who went to heaven is even more ridiculous. I wonder if he wrote the story or his parent wrote the nonsense story.

MindHacker9009:
@budaatum

What is the oldest written history?

A small collection of bone and ivory tags, pottery vessels, and clay seal impressions were uncovered at the Umm el Qu’ab necropolis in Abydos, Egypt. The artifacts contain what are believed to be the earliest known Egyptian writing. The hieroglyphs date to between 3400 – 3200 BCE and are the oldest recorded history discovered so far in the world.
https://www.oldest.org/culture/recorded-history/

OkCornel:


For the umpteenth time, that is not a white man.

Understand the difference between an European and an Israeli. From the hair texture, skin tone etc.

And by the way, you can find Colton Burpo, Akiane Kramarik and other witnesses who corroborate same…then argue with them.

This is a different topic altogether which has been discussed on multiple threads on nairaland. You arrived very late to this party.

OkCornel:


Their level of intelligence is in single digits, I don’t expect them to comprehend the basic logic you explained here.

My argument the whole time has always been on EXISTENCE.

Theirs is just all over the place.

budaatum:


One thing I have learnt is, to increase my own level of intelligence I must increase the level of intelligence around me by letting my light shine amongst my fellow human beings so my fellow human beings shine their lights more.

By doing so are we all more enlightened and our level of intelligence increases.

budaatum:


One thing I have learnt is, to increase my own level of intelligence I must increase the level of intelligence around me by letting my light shine amongst my fellow human beings so my fellow human beings shine their lights more.

By doing so are we all more enlightened and our level of intelligence increases.

budaatum:

The below might better fit your authenticity test for history since it "provides information on the exchange of goods such as grains and fabric" likely by people who were exchanging them at the time, though I would add, more research required.

MindHacker9009:
Unlike @OkCornel and co that keeps shining their ignorance on the this public forum

MindHacker9009:


Interesting we need to keep researching, but @OkCornel and co remain in their ignorance

OkCornel:

And your years of research has not provided evidences of Jewish scholars and historians unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ.

Pitiable waste of effort.

MaxInDHouse:


A mad woman in my area is known as "prof" because she often talks about her knowledge in philosophy. But what baffles me most?
She only has all the research of toiletries, worn-out shoes!

OkCornel:


Rib cracking!!

OkCornel:


Unfortunately your ignorance has upgraded to eternal status.

When you provide evidences of JEWISH scholars and historians unanimously denying the existence of Jesus Christ, let us know.

I don’t want to see pseudo history from non-Jews. Unless your argument is a foreigner suddenly knows the history and culture of the natives better than the natives themselves.

Very very basic logic.

MindHacker9009:
@OkCornel

To show your level of ignorance you cannot name any other Jewish historian who has claimed the existence of "Jesus Christ" or your "Chrestus" apart from Flavius Josephus not born during the time of your Chrestus and who was working for the Roman empire against his fellow Jews who see him as a traitor to the Jews

OkCornel:


True words.

If they choose to be enlightened though.

orisa37:
"JESUS CHRIST" IS AN IDEA, NOT AN IDOL, OF THE SPIRIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND WAYS TO SUPREME SALVATION.
THE IDEA REPRESENTS ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE, ANOINTED SAVING CHARACTERS, THE GRACE, THE WAYS, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, TO BE GODLIKE.
"GOD" TOO IS ENGLISH, GRAND ORDER DIVINE. AN IDEA REPRESENTING OMNI "GI-ANT" REPLICA OF ALL VICES AND VIRTUES, INSTRUCTOR AND WISDOM, DIRECTOR AND KNOWLEDGE, DISCERNMENT AND UNDERSTANDING, RICHES AND WEALTH, POWER AND MIGHT, HONOUR AND GLORY, MAJESTY AND WORSHIP, SECURITY, SAFETY AND SUCCESS.
THE WORD TOO IS ENGLISH REPRESENTING IDEAS CONCEIVED, EXPRESSED OR SPOKEN LIKE TRIBES, ETHNICS, ETHICS, ZONES, COUNTRIES, ROME, ENGLAND, NIGERIA, PUTIN, RUSSIA ETCETERA ETCETERA. PLANNING BUDGETARY CONTROL, WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM IN DIFFERENT AREAS ARE WORDS THAT WERE WITH GOD IN HIS FEELING, THINKING AND REASONING IN THE BEGINNING AND ARE STILL GOD TODAY AND FOREVER.

HAPPY IMAGINATIONS.

ORISAORUNTO SPEAKS

FROM ORUNTO27.

MindHacker9009:
Unlike @OkCornel and co that keeps shining their ignorance on the this public forum

budaatum:


One thing I have learnt is, to increase my own level of intelligence I must increase the level of intelligence around me by letting my light shine amongst my fellow human beings so my fellow human beings shine their lights on me.

By doing so are we all more enlightened and our level of intelligence increases.

budaatum:
KnownUnknown, MindHacker9009, do note that there is a difference between the existence of a Jesus Christ, and the truth of what is read about a Jesus Christ in the Bible.

budaatum:


We all shine our ignorance on this forum.

Take the subject at hand. People who have done notable extensive research, evidenced by the fact that they wrote books with footnotes and references, have not come to a conclusion about the existence or not of a Jesus Christ, but we who's research is limited to reading what they wrote want to use their research to claim he did or did not exist.

Does that not show how much we shine our ignorance, and prejudice, and belief?

budaatum:


Not to claim he existed or not, but "he didn’t exist at all" is one possible reason he may not have been known outside his stomping grounds. How about "he did exist but I wasn't interested enough", or "his stomping ground was not my stomping ground" or "I was too ignorant or busy to know about him then and I now claim he never existed at all"? I could after all be the most popular and famous individual in the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun but not exist as far as an individual in Oshogbo or Kano was concerned.

Basically, can I not be known and unknown at the same time?

OkCornel:


Their level of intelligence is in single digits, I don’t expect them to comprehend the basic logic you explained here.

My argument the whole time has always been on EXISTENCE.

Theirs is just all over the place.