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ottersberger:
First, now you agree that what I said is indeed true and even verifiable, please be a gentleman and apologize to me for calling me a liar.

Gratitudes081:
Ukraine proved nothing bro.

NATO is fighting Russia indirectly in the ongoing war in Ukraine.

Do you know the amount of funds, and Military aids NATO has deployed to Ukraine to defend themselves?

Do you know the amount of sanctions meted on Russia by different countries because of this war?

Yet Russia is keeping the war going and also balancing their economy.

How many sanctions were given to America in their invasion of different countries?
Iraq, Afghanistan etc?

America fought only the military of those countries without external assistance, so it looks like America defeated them easily. But Russia is fighting Ukrainian forces plus external military assistance, weapons and intelligence from NATO.

abbey621:
NATO is not just one country and if the nutcase called Russia didn't go imperial on their neighbors, nobody would want to join NATO in the past 30 years. Take Putin for example, he thought he was crushing Ukraine but all he has successfully shown the world is that joining NATO is a much needed step instead of staying neutral. If Russia could do this to its brother Ukraine, who be Finland wey dem no fit destroy.


They have been joining NATO before the invasion and Russia simply won't allow NATO in Ukraine same way America won't allow Russia in Cuba. Do me I do you. It's all about Russias national interest and NATO should have respected that
Like it or not, NATO is bound to get stronger not because of its morality/goodness but because of the way Russia represents an inherent threat to European countries. USA was thinking of reducing funding to NATO but Russia successfully showed the importance of a strong NATO. It's a complete irony

Goddson:
Bro US does not publicize what it doesn’t have, if the US has a weapon, they will choke it down our throats using Hollywood and other media means.. US has the track record of showing off.

Besides US is behind in most weapons arms race and an example is the hypersonic missile which only Russia and China has.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-reacts-us-hypersonic-missile-failure-pentagon-chgb-test-1721004?amp=1

Mind you, Russia is fighting with 200k size army against NATO trained 700k Ukraine army… Guess what my friend, Russia is gaining more ground in the eastern part and advancing westwards. Doesn’t that give you a hint that Ukraine is losing and NATO cannot face Russia.

When you talk of nuclear weapons, no nation in the world stands a chance against Russia. See image below for clarification.

Dalil8:
I never said you were right about that.

All I know is that if there's any U.S Navy fleet presence in the Black Sea today, it's because Turkey, a NATO member, let them in. And this is what makes Turkey an invaluable member of the alliance. NATO needs Turkey more than it needs Germany or even France.

The black sea is controlled and accessible only to Russia and Turkey.

Opolopoopolonio:
@bolded For real

Are you aware the US supplied the USSR with sophisticated weapons with which they fought the Russians in the early days of the war

Go and google the lend lease act

The same way US bombed Japan to surrender is the way they would have bombed Russia for trying to develop a nuke.

thinkmoney:
USA provided logistics to Russia and other allied forces to protect itself first and foremost. It did that because it was European countries especially Russia that was really doing the ground fighting against Germany.
So in essence, USA wasn't providing some technology that Russia doesn't have but was helping to restock what they were using for the fight.
In terms of Nuclear technology, Germany would have been the one to first lay their hands on atomic bomb. The big powers all had some basic knowledge about how such bomb could work, however USA through espionage against Germany and because of the distractions and cost of the war to Germany, succeeded to first produce the bomb before any one.
It would also have been unimaginable then for USA to drop an atomic bomb on Russia an European country and a very recent ally.
Russia like I said was even way ahead of USA in some other technological area like space and jet engine.

Karnice600:
You're always repeating this nonsense about numbers, moving the goal post, everywhere you go. You no dey tire?

Dscop:
It's quite entertaining when ignorant and uninformed people start talking rubbish. Can you pls name one advanced weapon and its capabilities?

Opolopoopolonio:
I still insist the US could have threatened Russia against developing nukes. Before the WWII ended, relations between them had deteriorated seriously. US generals never hid their disdain for Russia.
And Russia would NEVER have risked having a nuke dropped on them seeing the devastation caused in Japan.

The US fccckkked up big time.

Krismas:
America did not have any Nuke left after those two used on Japan
And Russia was working secretly on their own too

shaggy007:
Look at these neophytes still talking about Russia not defeating Ukraine.

You have no idea of the amount of cunningness Russia is using to prevent the US from studying their weapons.

The US wants to know the type of weapons Russia has, that's why they instigated the Ukraine war.

But Russia didn't fall for that.

That's why they're using outdated weapons and taking their time with Ukraine.

Please, don't come here with beer parlour analysis.

Watch the news and listen to both sides, don't just listen to one side.

Opolopoopolonio:
Really

But it took Russia 4 years to develop their first bomb. The US could have produced more nukes to use on Russia during that period

Krismas:
U wrong
A-bomb had many many disadvantages
Too heavy to carry, too clumsy to deploy. Too expensive to produce. If Japan had an airforce in 1945, those two bombers carry FATMAN and LONGMAN ought to have been plucked out of the sky b4 they come close to Japanese isle.
They can’t try it with Russia.
H-bomb is the modernization of the A-bomb and both countries American and Russia got It almost d same time. Just months apart. Testings were about d same time.

Opolopoopolonio:
Japan did have an Airforce long before 1945.

In the months following the use of the first A-bombs, the US would have made a proclamation that no other country will be allowed to develop anything similar and followed it up with a threat to attack any country that does while working on ability to out the threat. They had 4 years!!!

Krismas:
Leading up to 1945 the Japanese airforce was totally annihilated. America cud bomb anywhere in Japan at will anytime
That’s why a clumsy craft carrying a clumsy bomb cud fly in clumsily and succeed.
As for threats, the Americans already frightened Russia with Nuke to prevent any further Russian expansion beyond eastern Berlin and attacking any NATO country.
NATO countries those days were the countries covered by American nukes
And funny enough America had NONE at d time they were just forming. And it worked. Nevertheless it’s safer not to make a threat u can’t back
Russia was far far more powerful than America and Europe after WW2 and had they knew America was lieing abt nukes in 1945, nothing wud have prevented Russia from taking d whole Europe

Opolopoopolonio:
You are saying nonsense o! Russia was more powerful than US Russia that had just lost over 25million people compared to US' 400,000

How

US slipped by allowing Russia get nukes. That's the fact!!! It took Russia 4 years to develop the exact copy of what the US had already developed before and could develop more and deploy against them.

But for the nukes, maybe the world war would still be raging today. Do you know what it cost the US to take Iwo Jima and Okinawa

The Japanese military was still formidable. Even after the nukes some Japanese officers still wanted to continue fighting until the emperor waded in and told them to surrender.

Krismas:
U talking from pure and applied IGNORANCE.
The WW2 made Russia VERY VERY STRONG Inspite of the losses in people.
Russia was immediately ready to continue d war beyond 1945 with d rest of d west, which was VERY VERY WEAK post WW2
Russia only settled for the IRON CURTAIN building the greatest fence in history to divide Europe into two from Berlin
[b]This fence span thru 5countries! [/b]Cutting Europe into two from end to end and Russia taking the half of it. And all American cud do was start COLD WAR nothing more
As for Nuke, u don’t know d difference btw the bomb America used in Japan and the bomb that obtains currently
The difference is 7up
To put it right, it took America 3.5yrs after Hiroshima to get THE REAL BOMB
By which time they finally discovered Uranium in their country stopping the costly and competitive import from Canada and also mastered how to develop a thermonuclear from PURE POLONIUM.
They only beat Russia to dis by few months, so forget stopping Russia for long with a deterrence they didn’t possess at d time

Opolopoopolonio:
@bolded Now I know you are just spewing pure bulllshit. The iron curtain was just an imaginary boundary!

Now listen. Russia had opened a second front in the war against Japan and were making some gains. The US then used nukes and Japan surrendered. The Russians then asked Douglas MacArthur, the US general in charge of the war theatre that they wanted to control some part of Japan like they did in Germany. MacArthur ordered the Russian general out of his car/office telling him the US won't share Japan with anyone.

Look, if not for Harry Truman, Russia won't be having nukes today. US generals were ready to prune Russia at the time.

Krismas:
Why are embarrassing urself without knowing?
Even a primary one student knows abt d BERLIN WALL which is just a fraction of the Iron curtain. So is it imaginary?
The Russians are still in Kuril Islands till date
Four groups of islands ceased from Japan in 1945 so wot exactly are u talking abt?

Opolopoopolonio:
Berlin wall is different from the Iron Curtain and was limited to Berlin in Germany. And for your information, the whole of Berlin was in Eastern Germany under Russian control yet the US and allies demanded to have Berlin split into two. And Russia had no choice but to comply.

Russia wanted a part of Japan mainland not some inconsequential islands. The US said NO!

Krismas:
Berlin Wall is an integral part of d IRON CURTAIN
Japan itself is an island
Kuril island is a significant slice of Japanese land

Opolopoopolonio:
Well, Russia made a request and it was turned down. It shows the US called the shots solely at the time.

Krismas:
why not paste links to prove ur claims?
The Americans have NEVER called shots for Russia

Opolopoopolonio:
Even if I post links, you will still doubt them.

President Truman really slipped in not allowing US generals deal with Russia.

Krismas:
At no point in history has the American military being superior to the Russian military.
Till dis day, people like u refuse to face up to reality
Take Ukraine as example
Where the Russian military has overturned 8yrs of Ukrainian military preparations in just 4months
Inspite of the fact that 20 NATO nations armed Ukraine to the tune of over 100million USD over d period. Trained Ukraine for 10yrs and provided over 30 thousand mercenaries from all over the world.
America has not fought an enemy better prepared than Ukraine since WW2. Is it Iraq? Serbia? Afghanistan? Libya? Cuba? Which war has America fought lately with the quality of opposition like Ukraine military?
In what way then is America military better than Russian?
Stop watching too much Hollywood movies

Opolopoopolonio:
Take away Russia's nukes and Finland will overrun them silly. Finland once did. Why is Russia not threatening Finland and Sweden with invasion for attempting to join NATO

Putin intended to overrun Ukraine in 4 days remove Zelenskyy and appoint a puppet. 4 months after, his main goal is to liberate the Donbas (a stalemate will emerge there with Ukraine's new ammo coming from the West) after being whooped in Kyiv and Kharkiv.

Even Mariupol could not be taken completely until the Ukrainians surrendered due to lack of supplies - especially food. In other places they are already experiencing Guerrilla warfare and they have had to abandon Snake Island.

The West have been careful with arming Ukraine long range artillery so that a 3rd world war does not happen. Ukraine could go rogue and attack nuclear sites in Russia.

So how can any sensible/reasonable person compare the Russian military with the US military The UK alone can take on Russia. That's why the UK is at the forefront of supporting Ukraine.

OBAGADAFFI:
Oga, Cool down,

If the US military cannot confront China, is it Russia they will stop?
Most European countries are relying on the US for military support.

Russia has the forces in Europe and Ukraine has the second-largest forces in Europe.
Yet Russia has taken out lots of Ukrainian forces.

At the moment no country in Europe can face Russia.

Opolopoopolonio:
How some of you reason is beyond me

China have said they do not intend to rub shoulders with USA militarily. If they have mind, let them invade Taiwan nah.

Even to support their friend Russia, they DARE NOT.

Now, Ukraine have taken out far more Russians troops than Russia have taken. But as with Russia, they don't mind giving up the lives of their servicemen in huge numbers just to capture a ruined territory they cannot hold eventually. They keep replacing men at the frontline.

@bolded What do we call Ukraine that is currently standing up to Russia A town council

OBAGADAFFI:
Ukraine standing up to Russia?

Ukraine has the second-largest force in Europe yet one-third of the country has been captured.
Russia has successfully blocked Ukraine's access to the Sea.

@bolded https://eurasiantimes.com/pentagon-says-us-lacks-logistics-to-support-conflict-with-china/