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iamoyindamola:
It was here we complain that xhaka was useless in lb
Don't worry I will remind us when ESR fvck up

Xhaka has always being useless as a Lb. Have we ever won a match in which Xhaka was a Lb sef? I don't think so

ESR own was different. Martinelli started seeing shirt on the wings by mid December. Guess who was Manning that place in his absence and scoring those goals? ESR.

We've won matches with ESR on wings, he's not done badly unlike Pepe on the wings and most importantly, he's scored goals.

If Arteta feels he can play there and ESR is comfortable with it, then I see no qualms

Jodera:
Lol, thank God you know Marquinhos can't be counted for now and that's the main reason I did that triple questions mark

Another thing I'm suspecting is that Jesus might play that wing then Nketiah drafted into the 9 role. I believe that's one of the reasons again he was bought while marquinhos will use Europa to grow into the role.

Just my thoughts sha

That is another good possibility... Arteta and his team should link up with this thread to get good ideas from great minds like you and others here jare

Jodera:
This bolded here was the beginning of our debate and we didn't agree on anything. If we did, we wouldn't have gotten here.

You said Partey duties is just attacking in that role while I said the bolded. That's why anytime you're bringing dem Tielemans or Odegaard to play that role, I'm always insisting that they can't since they lack the defensive attributes to play that role (I didn't bring attacking attributes since I know they already have it) but you said it doesn't matter. You even said Partey is not focused on the defensive duties and I proved it to you that it was false. It's that defensive issue that brought about the DM-CM brouhaha.

How you now suddenly agreed on Partey doing defensive duties well needs to be studied sha. From nowhere to are now-here

I never ruled out Partey's defensive contribution. My post is still there, dig it if you wish.

My stand has always been that Partey has the unique qualities to play that role and while he was injured the likes of Odegaard was tried there but did not work out. Which implies that they were not cut out for the job.

Secondly, I made clear that a players position is what he does not necessarily who he is. I gave an example with Xhaka playing in an AM position last season. One may claim he is not an AM but that's where he plays. You may say Partey is a DM, and will be correct in terms of who he is (that's not my argument) but what he does for Arsenal is a CM role ( which brings to bear his attacking and defending qualities- his pass for Nketiah in the friendly with Ipswich being an example).

Anyways, whether we stated it or not, at least we have a common ground of agreement that he does both attacking and defending duties well which makes him what he is. Whether you stated it first or not, I AM AGREEING TO IT.

Now based on this agreement, doesn't that mean he is something more than a DM? You call it modern but that's off key. He is a CM.

ObaIgwe1:
That is another good possibility... Arteta and his team should link up with this thread to get good ideas from great minds like you and others here jare

Lol .. Thanks bro .
Plenty bright minds full sha, na why we dey always rub minds together

Spy360:
I never ruled out Partey's defensive contribution. My post is still there, dig it if you wish.

My stand has always been that Partey has the unique qualities to play that role and while he was injured the likes of Odegaard was tried there but did not work out. Which implies that they were not cut out for the job.

Secondly, I made clear that a players position is what he does not necessarily who he is. I gave an example with Xhaka playing in an AM position last season. One may claim he is not an AM but that's where he plays. You may say Partey is a DM, and will be correct in terms of who he is (that's not my argument) but what he does for Arsenal is a CM role ( which brings to bear his attacking and defending qualities- his pass for Nketiah in the friendly with Ipswich being an example).

Anyways, whether we stated it or not, at least we have a common ground of agreement that he does both attacking and defending duties well which makes him what he is. Whether you stated it first or not, I AM AGREEING TO IT.

Now based on this agreement, doesn't that mean he is something more than a DM? You call it modern but that's off key. He is a CM.

Okayy... Just answer this.

We all know that Nketiah and Jesus are number 9 in terms of role.
We know that Odegaard and Xhaka are number 8s in terms of role

What number is Partey last season?

Jodera:
Lol ... Na wa ooo

You sef done see iphone17 problem. His self-esteem depends on being right even on the most trivial or light-hearted matter.

Ibime:
You sef done see iphone17 problem. His self-esteem depends on being right even on the most trivial or light-hearted matter.

Lol .. make I no lie you boss, as I see that reply e weak me

According to him, we no suppose dey follow official updates again.

Jodera:
Okayy... Just answer this.

We all know that Nketiah and Jesus are number 9 in terms of role.
We know that Odegaard and Xhaka are number 8s in terms of role

What number is Partey last season?

Number roles are outdated and obsolete. Absolutely.

There are eleven players for each team on the pitch at the start of a game. That's all. Johan Cruyff ended all that use of numbers to define roles with his introduction of total football.

However, if you insists, Partey's will be a blend of 6 and 10. But even this does not clearly define his role in the team. In other words he is like a half 6 + half 10.

iamoyindamola:
We don't need paqueta
This man is beginning to go outside our transfer
Paqueta is an AM why do we need another one
Viera is AM
ESR is AM
Odegaard is AM

ESR is deputising for Martinelli. Vieira's role is not defined yet especially with no RW in sight. We don't play AM...we play double 8s.

iamoyindamola:
We need players in their natural position
All these turning like he want to prepare amala no follow at all
ESR scored majority of his goals from midfield why change that

ESR scored more from the wing sir.

Jodera:
Lol .. Thanks bro .
Plenty bright minds full sha, na why we dey always rub minds together

Not just bright minds... Matured minds...
When last we quarrel here sef

When you realized Turner is the one competing with you next season...

Spy360:
Number roles are outdated and obsolete. Absolutely.

There are eleven players for each team on the pitch at the start of a game. That's all. Johan Cruyff ended all that use of numbers to define roles with his introduction of total football.

However, if you insists, Partey's will be a blend of 6 and 10. But even this does not clearly define his role in the team. In other words he is like a half 6 + half 10.

Lol, no anchor plays 10 or half 6 half 10. Infact is there any player that have played the half 6 half 10?
If yes, I would love to hear it.

As for your first paragraph, you see how ironic you sound? You clearly defined Xhaka as 8 and always says we use double 8s. You've most times criticed Lacazette for not scoring because he's a 9.

E don reach Partey own now, you don remember say numbers are obsolete and outdated

I laff in Swahili guy

mostob:
Not just bright minds... Matured minds...
When last we quarrel here sef

Lol, I no even remember sef.

That's one of the thing I even enjoy this thread well. We might argue, debate and always have contrasting opinions/ideas but hardly you'll see bitter name-calling or e-fight.

Na real matured minds dey here

mostob:
When you realized Turner is the one competing with you next season...

e dey always skip my mind to ask sef.

How that first goal take pass turner?
I still dey wonder how e take happen. Hope say we never buy runnarson 2.1 oo

Jodera:
Lol, I no even remember sef.

That's one of the thing I even enjoy this thread well. We might argue, debate and always have contrasting opinions/ideas but hardly you'll see bitter name-calling or e-fight.

Na real matured minds dey here

Exactly...na why I like this thread o. We too Sabi for here. If na another thread, the Partey argument you dey debate with spy go don turn world war 4.

Jodera:
e dey always skip my mind to ask sef.

How that first goal take pass turner?
I still dey wonder how e take happen. Hope say we never buy runnarson 2.1 oo

Na that second goal dey worry me sef....the way he stretched like lizard wey get menstrual cramp ehn.... Let's hope Rammy doesn't get injured this season o. And I don't know why Leno is going to Fulham who may likely battle relegation instead of staying around and play Europa league and FA cup. Match go dey na

Jodera:
Lol, I no even remember sef.

That's one of the thing I even enjoy this thread well. We might argue, debate and always have contrasting opinions/ideas but hardly you'll see bitter name-calling or e-fight.

Na real matured minds dey here

Absolutely! We have come a very long way though because in the past it used to get nasty and heated for days with no reprieve.

I have a ton of respect for a lot of handles here because of the way we debate/ argue. Despite our differences in opinion, we keep it civil and respectful for the most part. It does take a lot of maturity. There have been instances where things could have degenerated but I have seen cooler heads prevail.

Kudos everyone!

Fenerbahce have terminated Mesut Ozil's contract.

Brilliant guy with some attitude problem.

He should just retire honorably.

mostob:
Exactly...na why I like this thread o. We too Sabi for here. If na another thread, the Partey argument you dey debate with spy go don turn world war 4.

Lol, na big War oo

mostob:
Na that second goal dey worry me sef....the way he stretched like lizard wey get menstrual cramp ehn.... Let's hope Rammy doesn't get injured this season o. And I don't know why Leno is going to Fulham who may likely battle relegation instead of staying around and play Europa league and FA cup. Match go dey na

Omo, that 2nd goal was like 1 on 1 reason why I wan even spare am for that goal.

But that first goal ehh, it's as if turner dey withdraw him hand as ball dey come. E just too funny me walahi

Me I know say Leno go wan go and I understand him. He's already in his 30s and such keeper with talents of his can't become backup to a younger keeper. At least his services will be needed with average club.

Na just make we pray say the guy we Sabi turn (Turner) no go dey act like the son of a runner oo(Runnarson)

Roland17:
Absolutely! We have come a very long way though because in the past it used to get nasty and heated for days with no reprieve.

I have a ton of respect for a lot of handles here because of the way we debate/ argue. Despite our differences in opinion, we keep it civil and respectful for the most part. It does take a lot of maturity. There have been instances where things could have degenerated but I have seen cooler heads prevail.

Kudos everyone!

I tell you boss. I really respect alot of handles here. Maturity is really top notch.

Na real kudos to everyone. E dey rare!

ObaIgwe1:
Fenerbahce have terminated Mesut Ozil's contract.

Brilliant guy with some attitude problem.

He should just retire honorably.

I like this guy well sha. I no just understand wetin be him issue

Jodera:
Omo, that 2nd goal was like 1 on 1 reason why I wan even spare am for that goal.

But that first goal ehh, it's as if turner dey withdraw him hand as ball dey come. E just too funny me walahi

Me I know say Leno go wan go and I understand him. He's already in his 30s and such keeper with talents of his can't become backup to a younger keeper. At least his services will be needed with average club.

Na just make we pray say the guy we Sabi turn (Turner) no go dey act like the son of a runner oo(Runnarson)

May God help us sha...the guy be like Runnarson pro max o

mostob:
May God help us sha...the guy be like Runnarson pro max o

Turner say he know how to play than keep.

Shebi we say we want ball playing keeper. Lol

Jodera:
Lol, no anchor plays 10 or half 6 half 10. Infact is there any player that have played the half 6 half 10?
If yes, I would love to hear it.

As for your first paragraph, you see how ironic you sound? You clearly defined Xhaka as 8 and always says we use double 8s. You've most times criticed Lacazette for not scoring because he's a 9.

E don reach Partey own now, you don remember say numbers are obsolete and outdated

I laff in Swahili guy

I took 6 as a DM (some people say it's 4, but it doesn't matter because it's all useless in the first place) and 10 as an AM. A combination gives you a half 6+half 10 which is a CM.

If I know get the answer correct me na.

Me I sabi laugh in Fulani o

Spy360:
Turner say he know how to play than keep.

Shebi we say we want ball playing keeper. Lol

His primary job is to keep and not to play ball. Chai

Vieira
Ode
Pacqueta ....
What is wrong with Arteta and left footed players?
BTW I think Pacqueta will be playing as a RW though.
But something still tells me that we're not going for Pacqueta but another Lyon player and we've decided to do it secretly since Spurs and Chelsea dey do copy copy stuff.

Spy360:


I took 6 as a DM (some people say it's 4, but it doesn't matter because it's all useless in the first place) and 10 as an AM. A combination gives you a half 6+half 10 which is a CM.

If I know get the answer correct me na

Me I sabi laugh in Fulani o

Lol, you don see yasef abi??
Now you wan make I show you the correct terms wey dey generally accepted.

Na because of issues like this dem dey bring update on new terms come give am English name. Cos no football term be half 6 half 10

Anyways, He's a DM. You can call him creative DM or if possible CDM, or Modern DM. Maybe CDM might fit your satisfaction because of the C for central there which helps in him responsible for buildup and ball transitioning and creativity from deep.

While I'm always insisting he's a DM is because he's the anchor man(base player) in a 433. Hardly you see a triangle 433 that the anchor/base man isn't a DM and that was what Arteta deployed. I would have agreed with you that he played as Cm last season if we were playing a flat 433 but obviously we didn't and we aren't.

mostob:
Vieira
Ode
Pacqueta ....
What is wrong with Arteta and left footed players?
BTW I think Pacqueta will be playing as a RW though.
But something still tells me that we're not going for Pacqueta but another Lyon player and we've decided to do it secretly since Spurs and Chelsea dey do copy copy stuff.

Which another Lyon player?
If he's not getting Paqueta, let him just comot eye for that club abeg. No better Midfielders or attacker dey there wey I dey eye again. Bruno G and Paqueta na the only two players I been dey hope make we get

Jodera:
Lol, you don see yasef abi??
Now you wan make I show you the correct terms wey dey generally accepted.

Na because of issues like this dem dey bring update on new terms come give am English name. Cos no football term be half 6 half 10

Anyways, He's a DM. You can call him creative DM or if possible CDM, or Modern DM. Maybe CDM might fit your satisfaction because of the C for central there which helps in him responsible for buildup and ball transitioning and creativity from deep.

While I'm always insisting he's a DM is because he's the anchor man(base player) in a 433. Hardly you see a triangle 433 that the anchor/base man isn't a DM and that was what Arteta deployed. I would have agreed with you that he played as Cm last season if we were playing a flat 433 but obviously we didn't and we aren't.

The base player in most 433 formations are usually DM. But Pep, Klopp and Arteta don't use a DM instead they move a CB (in the case of Klopp) or FB (Pep, Arteta) into the DM position, while the others overload the final third. The base player becomes a play maker and creative hub for the team. (Alcantara, Keita and Fabinho for Liverpool, Fernandinho, Gundogan, Rodri for City, and Partey for Arsenal) This is total football which is practiced by the Cruff prodigees especially by Barcelona, Ajax, Man City and now Arsenal.

When they are defending everyone presses, while the CM covers the back 4.

In this particular tactics, the base or anchor if you like is not referred to as a DM but as a DLP or a CM. The difference is due to their roles and not necessarily the positions they cover in the line up or formation.

Go and read about total football tactics.

Spy360:
The base player in most 433 formations are usually DM. But Pep, Klopp and Arteta don't use a DM instead they move a CB (in the case of Klopp) or FB (Pep, Arteta) into the DM position, while the others overload the final third. The base player becomes a play maker and creative hub for the team. (Alcantara, Keita and Fabinho for Liverpool, Fernandinho, Gundogan, Rodri for City, and Partey for Arsenal) This is total football which is practiced by the Cruff prodigees especially by Barcelona, Ajax, Man City and now Arsenal.

When they are defending everyone presses, while the CM covers the back 4.

In this particular tactics, the base or anchor if you like is not referred to as a DM but as a DLP or a CM. The difference is due to their roles and not necessarily the positions they cover in the line up or formation.

Go and read about total football tactics.

Oh now. Not only is Arteta not using Partey as DM role but it's now a FB that's playing our DM role? Interesting!!
Like Tierney or Tomiyasu acting as a DM? Wow!!... Real wow!!

In all my knowledge of football, I've never seen a DLP acting as an anchor.

This and many more of the reasons is why we can never ever agree on this issue. I'm just seeing new weird stuff everyday