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Kobojunkie:
1. Who says I am not?

2. The reason for all this suffering is man's decision to go it alone, without God.

So if you care about people like you claim then why are you against men that can make change

2. If the reason for all the suffering is man's decision to go it alone, then how come. Europe and America have less economic hardship that 9ja? Do they trust God more?
How come a leader wiped poverty almost completely out of Singapore and reduced the suffering of his people. Is it that the people of Singapore trusted God more?

Kobojunkie:
1. Who says I am not?

2. The reason for all this suffering is man's decision to go it alone, without God.

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

tctrills:
You are doing your best not to answer the question, smart guy

But I did answer your question.

You believe that the way to resolve the problems you listed are to vote better folks into power but God says that a better way is to instead submit to and obey Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments..

Kobojunkie:
But I did answer your question.

You believe that the way to resolve the problems you listed are to vote better folks into power but God says that a better way is to instead submit to and obey Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments..

If you refuse to answer simple questions, I no reason in go on.
It's not about what I said. We have all witnessed good leaders solve the problems I listed so why pretend as we have never witness good governance do these things.

Kobojunkie:
But I did answer your question.

You believe that the way to resolve the problems you listed are to vote better folks into power but God says that a better way is to instead submit to and obey Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments..

Have we not witnessed less wars in our time than ever before in the world?
Have we not witnessed hunger reduce than ever in recorded history? So why pretend?

tctrills:
1. So if you care about people like you claim then why are you against men that can make change

2. If the reason for all the suffering is man's decision to go it alone, then how come. Europe and America have less economic hardship that 9ja? Do they trust God more?

3. How come a leader wiped poverty almost completely out of Singapore and reduced the suffering of his people. Is it that the people of Singapore trusted God more?

1. I am not against them. I instead believe God's Way is a better approach to change.

4. The same Singapore? https://borgenproject.org/tag/poverty-in-singapore/#:~:text=Out%20of%20136%20countries%20considered,family%20homes%2C%20or%20378%2C000%20people.

2. There is suffering everywhere.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am not against them. I instead believe God's Way is a better approach to change.

4. The same Singapore? https://borgenproject.org/tag/poverty-in-singapore/#:~:text=Out%20of%20136%20countries%20considered,family%20homes%2C%20or%20378%2C000%20people.

2. There is suffering everywhere.

Yes, God's way is better but till God comes to save his people from suffering men would reduce the suffering.
It's true that there is suffering everywhere but we would be dishonest to claim we have not seen people's suffering reduces because good leaders were elected.
Or would you also claim that people's suffering doesn't get reduced?

tctrills:
Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Jesus Christ instead said that His followers are not to set themselves in seats of authority like the Gentiles do - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Anyone who desires to rule should instead be a slave to others.

tctrills:
If you refuse to answer simple questions, I no reason in go on.
It's not about what I said. We have all witnessed good leaders solve the problems I listed so why pretend as we have never witness good governance do these things.

What I have instead witnessed is humans change one thing only to open doors to more evils by their attempts at good. As I said, I am not against the world doing what it wants to do. What I am against is pretending it all has something to do with God and that which He commands of us.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ instead said that His followers are not to set themselves in seats of authority like the Gentiles do - Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28. Anyone who desires to rule should instead be a slave to others.

No Jesus never supported slavry. You don't understand the scriptures. He taught his followers that if they were to become leaders, they should learn to serve first.
He didn't discourage them from leadership, he only wanted them to learn service even as leaders.

Kobojunkie:
What I have instead witnessed is humans change one thing only to open doors to more evils by their attempts at good. As I said, I am not against the world doing what it wants to do. What I am against is pretending it all has something to do with God and that which He commands of us.

You only see evil in the world, I see a better world. The world has gotten progressively better because of good men.
And you refused to answer my question so we know who is pretending.

tctrills:
Have we not witnessed less wars in our time than ever before in the world?
Have we not witnessed hunger reduce than ever in recorded history? So why pretend?

Fewer wars? But with a much higher number of casualties combined, right?

Hunger reduced? Do you mean ratio-wise or what? With 8 billion mouths to feed and poverty still rampant in some countries, how do you conclude that hunger is necessarily reduced?

tctrills:
I make this post so that all Christians would realize that it was we Christians that made the world a better place.
I use to tell people that if Jesus Christ came today and not 2000 years ago, he wouldn't have been crucified.
Thanks to Christianity we now have freedom of speech and civil rights.
This was fought for by Christians in Europe and America.
Slavery was stopped by Christians. Before then, every religion believed it was right to enslave other human beings.
Christians have made the world better and safer than it had ever been.
So please don't forget your Christian values as you vote and choose candidates to support.
We are the religion that made the difference.
We are the light of the world.
Without us, the world would still be in slavery. There would be no human rights and man would be of little worth.
Thanks to Christian nations the entire world is a better place.
Never forget who we are and what we have given to the world.
The blood of many good men have been shed to bring light to the world.
Involve yourselves with the politics of the time and always stand for what is best.
We do not live in a perfect world but we do make it better.

I wouldn't exactly agree that Christians were the ones who made the world a better place.

Humans made the world a better place.

While a lot of the good stuff you mentioned was done by societies who were Christian, a lot of bad stuffs were also done by societies who were Christian.

The inquisitions were done by Christians
The holy wars in medieval europe were fought by Christians
The societies who also suppoerted slavery were Christian

In essence, people used, and continue to use religion to justify their personal interests. People would do just about anything if they believe a god told them to.

While I don't discredit the good things that Christianity has done, I'm also not going to deny the bad things.

Because at the end of the day, it was humans that did all those. We just used religion as a front to justify what we did

Kobojunkie:
Fewer wars? But with a much higher number of casualties combined, right?

Hunger reduced? Do you mean ratio-wise or what? With 8 billion mouths to feed and poverty still rampant in some countries, how do you conclude that hunger is necessarily reduced?

Your stats are wrong. More people died from wars in the 60s than from 2000 till date.
More hungry bellies in the 90s than today. Please just do your research.

tctrills:
1. Yes, God's way is better but till God comes to save his people from suffering men would reduce the suffering.
2. It's true that there is suffering everywhere but we would be dishonest to claim we have not seen people's suffering reduces because good leaders were elected.
Or would you also claim that people's suffering doesn't get reduced?

1. So, leave God and His mention out of it all till then.
2. Again, the approach of men is that, the approach of men.

Wilgrea7:
I wouldn't exactly agree that Christians were the ones who made the world a better place.

Humans made the world a better place.

While a lot of the good stuff you mentioned was done by societies who were Christian, a lot of bad stuffs were also done by societies who were Christian.

The inquisitions were done by Christians
The holy wars in medieval europe were fought by Christians
The societies who also suppoerted slavery were Christian

In essence, people used, and continue to use religion to justify their personal interests. People would do just about anything if they believe a god told them to.

While I don't discredit the good things that Christianity has done, I'm also not going to deny the bad things.

Because at the end of the day, it was humans that did all those. We just used religion as a front to justify what we did

All lot of bad stuff were done in all societies by Christian nations changed the world.
Example, slavery was going on in every nation of the world. It was first stopped in Christian nations. Same thing for democracy, human rights and many of the things we take for granted today

Kobojunkie:
1. So, leave God and His mention out of it all till then.
2. Again, the approach of men is that, the approach of men.

We have both made our points I guess we are beginning to go in circles. We should stop, what do you think?

tctrills:
1. No Jesus never supported slavry. You don't understand the scriptures.
2. He taught his followers that if they were to become leaders, they should learn to serve first.He didn't discourage them from leadership, he only wanted them to learn service even as leaders.

1. Who said anything about Jesus Christ being in support of slavery? Are you certain I am the one here who doesn't understand scripture here since?
2. This from the same Jesus Christ that told them they are all equals - Matthew 23 vs 8 -9 - and He alone is Master over them all - Matthew 6 vs 24 ? Are you certain you are not instead trying here to make Jesus Christ say what He never said?

Kobojunkie:
1. Who said anything about Jesus Christ being in support of slavery? Are you certain I am the one here who doesn't understand scripture here since?
2. This from the same Jesus Christ that told them they are all equals - Matthew 23 vs 8 -9 - and He alone is Master over them all - Matthew 6 vs 24 ? Are you certain you are not instead trying here to make Jesus Christ say what He never said?

We have both made our points, let's leave others to decide. I believe we are beginning to repeat ourselves over and over again. What say you?

tctrills:
You only see evil in the world, I see a better world. The world has gotten progressively better because of good men.
And you refused to answer my question so we know who is pretending.

I don't only see evil in the world. As Jesus Christ said, those who are of Him are in the world even as they are not of the world

tctrills:
We have both made our points I guess we are beginning to go in circles. We should stop, what do you think?

Sure, let's leave God's mention out of the politics of men.

Kobojunkie:
Sure, let's leave God's mention out of the politics of men.

You know I don't agree with you both let's not keep going round and round ok