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Kobojunkie:
1. Isaiah 42 and 60 which we have both reviewed at least twice now neither say nor provide absolutely no evidence for your claims. All you have are desperate attempts to insert Mohammed into the pages of a book even he didn't succeed to insert himself in back when he first showed up.

2. What is written in Isaiah aren't for anyone to deduce or manipulate as he/she sees fit.

3. That is for the Europeans to concern themselves with

My experience in life tells me that some people are irredeemably lost. So, why should I bother my head about what you believe or don't believe.

That Book clearly mention Ishmael's son's name and I ask you to justify why would an Israelite Prophet be mentioning their names, their dwellings while he was speaking to Israel?

Only for you to bring out a concoction out of a numerous Bible commentaries to suit your Arabian goats and sheeps.

Wether you like it or not, we Muslims belong to that NATION (Ummah) promised Ishmael in Genesis.

When we meet God when we meet Him on that will be our Salvation..

Like the Jews who never recognize Jesus, ditto for you who never recognizes the one whom all the Nations of the world have been waiting for.

So long.

TenQ:
It is amazing that you find that the book of Isaiah has not been compromised enough to see all the prophecies about Mohammed and Mecca in it.

It is in the details that one understands any prophecy but you are avoiding the details because the details show you that your position is completely incorrect.


The book of Isaiah did not speak about Israel and another nation. The book speaks about Israel and OTHER Nations. The central point is about Israel band the Messiah.

How come both the Jews and Christians agree about Isaiah 42 and Isaiah 60?

Let me help you out by lifting up scripture from Isaiah that speaks about the RESTORATION of Israel.

Isa 2:3:
"And many people shall go and say, Come you, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

Isa 4:3:
"And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remains in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:"

Isa 4:4:
"When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the middle thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning."

Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, [b]on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."[/b]

Isa 10:20-21:
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay on him that smote them; but shall stay on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God"


There are literally hundreds of verses in the book of Isaiah that speaks of the specific Nation being Israel (both in judgment and restoration).

My brother read the whole book of Isaiah and tell me it is about Mohammed OR that God is replacing Israel bwith another nation.


Point of correction:
Jehovah is a Latinized form of Yahweh! Yahweh is in Hebrew and Jews out of respect don't call God by His personal name. They will rather address Him by His titles such as ADONAI, ELOHIM, ELOHA, EL-Shaddai etc.

Yahweh had existed in common knowledge from the time of Moses.

Exo 6:3:
"And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

Ps 83:18:
"That men may know that you, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth."

Yahweh is NOT a title of God the Creator and thus it's not about dialectical difference.

ELOH, ELAH, EL, ALLAH are all titles of God which means DEITY!

The title ELOHM is even used for idols
1Sam 5:7:
"And when the men of Ashdod saw that it was so, they said, The ark of the God of Israel shall not abide with us: for his hand is sore on us, and on Dagon our god."

The two words God and God are both ELOHIM in Hebrew.

It is amazing that the God of Islam doesn't seem to be aware that Yahweh is his personal name. There is not one single place where Yahweh is mentioned in the Qur'an.

Is it possible that you as a Muslim will go to any mosque and lead a prayer to Yahweh!?
YAHWEH is a strange name in Islam.

All the Isaiah you quoted above, why are you quoting just a Verse and not the whole Chapter?

Did Jesus ever sit on David Seat? While he was here, it was Herod that sat on David's Seat o. Which Government was upon his shoulder? The same Jesus that ran away when the people Nain wanted to make him king? The same Jesus that won't judge against two brothers? The same Jesus that had no where to lay his head?

Bros, quoted the whole Chapter and I will show you who that Oracle was meant for.

TenQ:
Does this not contradict Muslims claim that the Bible is compromised (if all these prophets spoke about Mohammed)!?


I think I know history better than most Muslims especially of Israel and related facts (past and present).
Muslims are the ones who twist the truth without explanation and expect people to believe them.
Like:
-The Jews claim the crucified Jesus
-The Disciples of Jesus claimed the Jews and the Romans crucified Jesus. Christians even spoke of their interactions with Christ after His resurrection.
- Roman Historians claim they crucified Christus

Islam comes almost 700years to say a different history. Now, they dispute amongst themselves the implications of their claim of what truely happened.


Europeans are interested in Islam because Christianity has become lukewarm in their country as prophesied by Christ.

Luk 18:8:
" ..... Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth?"

Jesus will return when the church is cold in faith.
There is nothing strange about it as it is the signs of the End-time and coming judgement.

As per the Book of Isaiah, it doesn't prophesy Mohammed at all.
However, I am open to other verses you think speaks about Mohammed or Mecca and I will study them to assert it's TRUTH.

Don't worry. The same people that brought Christianity will soon tell you that Islam is the Truth.

TenQ:
But as Muslims, do you obey the law of Moses?
Do you even use the Torah in your worship even though you claim to believe in it?

None of the earlier prophets ABROGATED the scriptures before them. Even Jesus read from the Torah and the book of Isaiah and he did NOT replace them with the Injeel.

Do you read the Torah, Zabur or Injeel in Islam?
No!
Because the contents many times contradict Islamic teachings!


On one side, you want to claim we serve the same God BUT on the other hand, you abrogate the earlier foundation.


By the Way:
Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob are not Prophets but Patriarchs (not prophets).
Not one Jew or Christian call them prophets!

A prophet is one who is a spokesman/mouthpiece for God!

The message of every messenger/prophet is the same the laws might vary but the message will always remain the same it is a test for each community to distinguish among those who follow a particular prophet or not...

Just like some hypocrites saying they have followed Muhammad they aren't following the laws given this is how men are separated from boys. Allah explained the reason for this

We as Muslims are following the Law given to us are you following the law given to you by Jesus who do you worship...

It is clear their are different from the laws of Moses and Jesus why not talk about that e.g An eye for an eye

Allah SWT said:

"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 48)



Mind you Allah never condemned Torah or Injeel rather he told the people of the scripture to uphold it's laws

Allah SWT said:

"Say, O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 68)

Lukuluku69:
1. That Book clearly mention Ishmael's son's name and I ask you to justify why would an Israelite Prophet be mentioning their names, their dwellings while he was speaking to Israel? Only for you to bring out a concoction out of a numerous Bible commentaries to suit your Arabian goats and sheeps.

2. Wether you like it or not, we Muslims belong to that NATION (Ummah) promised Ishmael in Genesis. When we meet God when we meet Him on that will be our Salvation

3... Like the Jews who never recognize Jesus, ditto for you who never recognizes the one whom all the Nations of the world have been waiting for. So long.

1. You obviously don't understand or have a clue about the place of Bible commentaries, it seems since my comment to you was instead taken directly from the very verses of Isaiah 60 to post to you. I told you that Isaiah's message was clear enough that you couldn't inject delusions in between those lines without turning it all into nonsense like you continue to attempt to.

12 Any nation or kingdom that does not serve you will be destroyed.
13 All the great things of Lebanon will be given to you. People will bring pine trees, fir trees, and cypress trees to you. These trees will be used for lumber to make my Holy Place[b] more beautiful. This place is like a stool in front of my throne, and I will honor it.[c]
14 In the past, people hurt you, but they will bow down before you. In the past, people hated you, but they will bow down at your feet. They will call you ‘The City of the Lord’s,’ ‘Zion of the Holy One of Israel.’
15 “People hated you. You were left all alone with no one passing through.
But I will make you great from now on. You will be happy forever and ever.
16 Nations will give you what you need, like a child drinking milk from its mother. But you will ‘drink’ riches from kings. Then you will know that it is I, the Lord, who saves you. You will know that I, the Great God of Jacob, protect you.

17 “You now have copper, but I will bring you gold. You now have iron, but I will bring you silver. I will change your wood into copper and your rocks into iron. I will change your punishment into peace. And those who punished you will be replaced with those who are kind to you.
- Isaiah 60 vs 12 - 17

2. Meet which God? According to God, only those who are of His New agreement will meet Him in the end. Everyone else who refuses to abide by His New agreement will perish in their graves i.e. cease to exist when they die, because they never obeyed Him, to begin with.

As for your talk of Salvation, what do you even think Salvation is meant for? You didn't know the purpose of the Jewish Messiah to begin with so what do you know of Salvation and what it is about?

3. God did not mandate the Jews first recognize Jesus Christ before His Promise to them can be made true. God is not a fool... stop pretending He is.

haekymbahd:
1. The message of every messenger/prophet is the same the laws might vary but the message will always remain the same it is a test for each community to distinguish among those who follow a particular prophet or not...

2. Just like some hypocrites saying they have followed Muhammad they aren't following the laws given this is how men are separated from boys. Allah explained the reason for this. We as Muslims are following the Law given to us are you following the law given to you by Jesus who do you worship... . It is clear their are different from the laws of Moses and Jesus why not talk about that e.g An eye for an eye

3. Allah SWT said:

"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ." (QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 48)

Mind you Allah never condemned Torah or Injeel rather he told the people of the scripture to uphold it's laws

Allah SWT said:

"Say, O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 68)

1. Where it concerns God's Law though, what matters more is that the law is the same and obeyed by those to who they are given. The message is meaningless if the law changes because God's Law is an everlasting Covenant meaning the standard is not bendable or changeable.

2. What Law was given to you Muslims to follow and by whom?

3.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where it concerns God's Law though, what matters more is that the law is the same and obeyed by those to who they are given. The message is meaningless if the law changes because God's Law is an everlasting Covenant meaning the standard is not bendable or changeable.

2. What Law was given to you Muslims to follow and by whom?

3.

Give your proof...

Explain the change from the Law of an eye for an eye did God's standard bend or what.

Who gave both Laws to Moses and Jesus?

Mathew 5
38You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.(J)

39But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too.

Kobojunkie:
1. You obviously don't understand or have a clue about the place of Bible commentaries, it seems since my comment to you was instead taken directly from the very verses of Isaiah 60 to post to you. I told you that Isaiah's message was clear enough that you couldn't inject delusions in between those lines without turning it all into nonsense like you continue to attempt to.


2. Meet which God? According to God, only those who are of His New agreement will meet Him in the end. Everyone else who refuses to abide by His New agreement will perish in their graves i.e. cease to exist when they die, because they never obeyed Him, to begin with.

As for your talk of Salvation, what do you even think Salvation is meant for? You didn't know the purpose of the Jewish Messiah to begin with so what do you know of Salvation and what it is about?

3. God did not mandate the Jews first recognize Jesus Christ before His Promise to them can be made true. God is not a fool... stop pretending He is.

Ok.

haekymbahd:
1. Give your proof...

2. Explain the change from the Law of an eye for an eye did God's standard bend or what.

3. Who gave both Laws to Moses and Jesus?

Mathew 5
38You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.(J)

39But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too.

1. Proof of what?

2. There was no change made to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses which God gave only to those who are of the Blood of Jacob as a National Constitution for living in the Kingdom of Canaan as a Nation - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 -20.

What God instead did was send a New Agreement/Covenant - another agreement - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34 - which instead defines the agreement between HImself and individuals - an individual constitution - in the Kingdom of God. That is the Covenant/Law that Jesus Christ taught to His followers who were then instructed to teach that New Covenant to all those who would believe and desire the Kingdom of God.

3. God is a God of Laws, and His standards never change or bend in any direction for any man or people.

Lukuluku69:
You see we can go back and forth on the issue of Book of Isaiah and what it contains. One thing I can tell you for free is the fact that that book came to warn Israel to change their ways or else they will be replaced.

This is a mere assertion and conjecture.
Can you show me just one verse in the whole book of Isaiah which states that Israel would be replaced by another nation.

The Book of Isaiah speaks about
1. God's Judgment on Israel
2. The Advent of the Messiah
3. God's forgiveness and Restoration of Israel
4. The Glory of the New Israel.

Lukuluku69:
The funny thing is in that book mention is made of TEMA, ARABIA, KEDAR, MIDIAN, NEBIAOTH. Which are all names of a Certain Ishmael who God promised to build a NATION for. Or you are telling me God was bluffing?

In what capacity did the book of isaiah mention all the Arabian nations? Is it not to pay tribute to Israel?
Instead, this is what the Lord God said about Kedar
Isaiah 21:16-17
16For this is what the Lord says to me: “Within one year, as a hired worker would count it, all the glory of Kedar will be gone. 17The remaining archers, the warriors of Kedar, will be few.” For the LORD, the God of Israel, has spoken


Isaiah 2:3
And many peoples will come and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us His ways so that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Can you show a specific verse that says that Israel will be replaced by any of the Arabian nations!

Lukuluku69:
Islam never said the whole of your Book is corrupted.

Allah never said that any of the book was corrupted
Mohammed did not say that any of the book was corrupted.

So, where did Islam get its doctrine of partial corruption!?

Lukuluku69:
On the name YAHWEH, that is not the name of God of Israel. It comes from the Ya huwa Elohim. Meaning OH HE ELOHIM. Now to jettisoned ELOHIM and add vowels signs to the OH HE thinking you have a unique name of God is laughable.

Complete conjecture from you my dear. Islamists are struggling desperately to legitimise Allah as a Name and not a Title.

Yahweh is built on the root word "I AM" or "I AM WHO I AM".
The meaning could be interpreted as “He Who Makes That Which Has Been Made” or “He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists” or "One in whom all things consist".

Elohim mean DEITY: it is a title of any divine being or even idol.

Lukuluku69:
I gave you a pointers as to what the name of God sounds like. Ishmael's name means " God heard" in Hebrew. Properly articulated the name is ISHMAELLAH (Hebrew) ISMAILLAH (Arabic) so where do you see Yahweh or Jehovah in that? Or are you saying you know more than the Angel that brought the name?

I wish you took time to study

I guess your ignorance of the language is causing you problems:
Ishma-el: means "God heard" not "Jehovah Heard"
Gen 16:11
You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery.

EL- is the shortened form of Eloha or Elohim (in Arabic Allah). I can be a prefix or suffix to any attribute.

Jews give names that can have either EL or YAH as shorted form of Elohim (Generic: Deity) or Yahweh (Specific Name of the Deity of Abraham)


Like the other titles of God
EL-Shaddai' : God Almighty
EL-ohim: God Supreme
El Elyon: God Yahweh

Names that uses the Name rather than the title of God
YHWH-Yireh (Yahweh-Yireh) — "Yahweh will provide" ( Genesis 22:13, 14).
YHWH-Rapha" — "Yahweh that healeth" ( Exodus 15:26).
YHWH-Niss"i (Yahweh-Nissi) — "Yahweh our Banner" (Exodus 17:8-15).
YHWH-Shalom — "Yahweh our Peace" ( Judges 6:24).
YHWH-Ra-ah — "Yahweh my Shepherd" ( Psalms 23:1).
YHWH-Tsidkenu — "Yahweh our Righteousness" ( Jeremiah 23:6).
YHWH-Shammah — "Yahweh is present" ( Ezekiel 48:35).


In other words, there is difference between Yahweh and Allah.

If Allah/Elohim is the specific name of the Creator, what is the name of Dagon the god of the Phillistines?
1Sam 5:7:
"And when the men of Ashdod saw that it was so, they said, The ark of the God of Israel shall not abide with us: for his hand is sore on us, and on Dagon our god."
You can check the Hebrew of the text.

If you still have a problem with Yahweh as the name of God, I can even use the Quran to expose the ignorance of Gods name in the Quran.

Lukuluku69:
All the Isaiah you quoted above, why are you quoting just a Verse and not the whole Chapter?

Did Jesus ever sit on David Seat? While he was here, it was Herod that sat on David's Seat o. Which Government was upon his shoulder? The same Jesus that ran away when the people Nain wanted to make him king? The same Jesus that won't judge against two brothers? The same Jesus that had no where to lay his head?

Bros, quoted the whole Chapter and I will show you who that Oracle was meant for.

Why not even read the whole book to show who the writing is about.

You ask if Jesus ever sat on the throne of David: Unfortunately, you did not ask yourself if Mohammed ever sat on the throne of David since the prophecy is fulfilled in Mohammed.

All Christians and Jews see the prophecy of Isaiah happening in the future my dear in the days of the return of the Messiah.

Did Mohammed ever sat on the throne of David?

If he didnt, the prophecy can never be about him.

I asked you a simple question:
Is it possible that you as a Muslim will go to any mosque and lead a prayer to Yahweh!?

Lukuluku69:
Don't worry. The same people that brought Christianity will soon tell you that Islam is the Truth.

Unfortunately without lies, Islam dies!
Islam has to be sustained with force, lies and deception to hold people in captivity.

Question: How many Qurans do we have?
Muslims Answer: One
Truth: We have seen 34 different Arabic Qurans and still counting

Question: Has the Quran ever been changed?
Muslims Answer: Not at all. Its the same letter by letter, word by word even up to the dialectical marks
Truth: Hundreds of differences Qurans and still counting have been found

Question: Is Mohammed the last Prophet?
Muslims Answer: He is the last and the greatest of them all
Truth: Yet, Jesus is not dead and is coming back to kill the Dajjal, break the crosses and kill the pigs and would be buried beside Mohammed

Question: Did Jesus die on the cross?
Muslims Answer: No, He didn't. But we don't know what happened to him
Truth: Mary the Mother of Jesus witnessed his death, John the disciple witnessed his death. The disciples witnessed his assentation. Jews claimed they killed Him. Roman historians documented the christus that was crucified. Now 700 years after, a new history appeared.

Question: How come the Quran?
Muslims Answer: Angel Gabriel dictated the words of Allah to Mohammed
Truth: If Allah is God, how comes he thought that the sun set inside the murky waters? How come Allah confused Mary mother of Jesus with Miriam sister of Aaron? How come Abraham was delivered from the fire rather than Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? How come Allah prays for Muhammad? How come Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus?

Unfortunately without lies, Islam dies a natural death!

TenQ:
I don't have any problems with
1. Belief in God
2. praying five times a day;
3. giving zakat, or donating a certain portion of one's wealth;
4. fasting during Ramadan; and
5. making a pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

HOWEVER,
I do not believe that Mohammed is a Prophet of God nor His Messager.
(Based on several issues)

Is it possible to be a Moslem with this condition?

Funny misinformed Churchgoers!

If you don't believe in Muhammad then who taught all these things you mentioned?

Well that's what true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) are telling you people, don't believe in Jesus but practice what he taught then see if your denial will make any sense when you're obeying all the rules he gave without calling him "Lord" Matthew 7:21-23

MaxInDHouse:
Funny misinformed Churchgoers!

If you don't believe in Muhammad then who taught all these things you mentioned?

Well that's what true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) are telling you people, don't believe in Jesus but practice what he taught then see if your denial will make any sense when you're obeying all the rules he gave without calling him "Lord" Matthew 7:21-23

You'll be a waste of precious time for my response for my standard in Christ Jesus is much higher than any five pillars of Islam. If you cant read up in context, too bad.

TenQ:
Unfortunately without lies, Islam dies!
Islam has to be sustained with force, lies and deception to hold people in captivity.

Question: How many Qurans do we have?
Muslims Answer: One
Truth: We have seen 34 different Arabic Qurans and still counting

Question: Has the Quran ever been changed?
Muslims Answer: Not at all. Its the same letter by letter, word by word even up to the dialectical marks
Truth: Hundreds of differences Qurans and still counting have been found

Question: Is Mohammed the last Prophet?
Muslims Answer: He is the last and the greatest of them all
Truth: Yet, Jesus is not dead and is coming back to kill the Dajjal, break the crosses and kill the pigs and would be buried beside Mohammed

Question: Did Jesus die on the cross?
Muslims Answer: No, He didn't. But we don't know what happened to him
Truth: Mary the Mother of Jesus witnessed his death, John the disciple witnessed his death. The disciples witnessed his assentation. Jews claimed they killed Him. Roman historians documented the christus that was crucified. Now 700 years after, a new history appeared.

Question: How come the Quran?
Muslims Answer: Angel Gabriel dictated the words of Allah to Mohammed
Truth: If Allah is God, how comes he thought that the sun set inside the murky waters? How come Allah confused Mary mother of Jesus with Miriam sister of Aaron? How come Abraham was delivered from the fire rather than Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? How come Allah prays for Muhammad? How come Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus?

Unfortunately without lies, Islam dies a natural death!

I like your monologue. It is an indication of what is goes on within the Christian mind.

So, keep the "dialogue" going within you.

The part that I will respond to is the part that says Islam will die. Really really?

That line has been repeated how many times now? Ask the Europeans that came with Christianity, they are in a better position to tell you the State they met Islam, their collective effort to end it, the result they have achieved and the present state of Islam.

So, dream on. It is no crime.

TenQ:
You'll be a waste of precious time for my response for my standard in Christ Jesus is much higher than any five pillars of Islam. If you cant read up in context, too bad.

Spiritual illiteracy is your problem!

Once you're ready to do all what you said then you're already a disciple of Muhammad who brought those things, so whether you acknowledge him or not you're already his disciples for believing in his teachings!

TenQ:
Why not even read the whole book to show who the writing is about.

You ask if Jesus ever sat on the throne of David: Unfortunately, you did not ask yourself if Mohammed ever sat on the throne of David since the prophecy is fulfilled in Mohammed.

All Christians and Jews see the prophecy of Isaiah happening in the future my dear in the days of the return of the Messiah.

Did Mohammed ever sat on the throne of David?

If he didnt, the prophecy can never be about him.

I asked you a simple question:
Is it possible that you as a Muslim will go to any mosque and lead a prayer to Yahweh!?

Seating on the Throne of David? Yeah Muhammad did when he judged the Jews of Medina. Did Jesus ever rule over the Jews? Remember he ran away in Nain.

It is not possible for a. Muslim to ever and lead prayers to Yahweh. Do you know why? Yahweh is a creation of those who translated the Bibles from Hebrew to other Languages.

Ya huwa Elohim. Meaning OH HE ELOHIM/ELOHA. So, where did you see Yahweh on that? You guys added vowels to OH HE and make a name for God out of it.

Have you ever heard a Jew use Yahweh in referring to God of Israel?

Lukuluku69:
I like your monologue. It is an indication of what is goes on within the Christian mind.

So, keep the "dialogue" going within you.

The part that I will respond to is the part that says Islam will die. Really really?

That line has been repeated how many times now? Ask the Europeans that came with Christianity, they are in a better position to tell you the State they met Islam, their collective effort to end it, the result they have achieved and the present state of Islam.

So, dream on. It is no crime.

Without lies, Islam dies: is a truth!

Unfortunately, the lies will continue by their sponsors, meaning that Islam will thrive until when the TRUTH takes over the world.

Till then,
When one knows the truth, the person is set FREE!

MaxInDHouse:
Spiritual illiteracy is your problem!

Once you're ready to do all what you said then you're already a disciple of Muhammad who brought those things, so whether you acknowledge him or not you're already his disciples for believing in his teachings!

If only you had read a few post (between the lines) before judging.

Shalom

TenQ:
Unfortunately without lies, Islam dies!
Islam has to be sustained with force, lies and deception to hold people in captivity.

Question: How many Qurans do we have?
Muslims Answer: One
Truth: We have seen 34 different Arabic Qurans and still counting

Question: Has the Quran ever been changed?
Muslims Answer: Not at all. Its the same letter by letter, word by word even up to the dialectical marks
Truth: Hundreds of differences Qurans and still counting have been found

Question: Is Mohammed the last Prophet?
Muslims Answer: He is the last and the greatest of them all
Truth: Yet, Jesus is not dead and is coming back to kill the Dajjal, break the crosses and kill the pigs and would be buried beside Mohammed

Question: Did Jesus die on the cross?
Muslims Answer: No, He didn't. But we don't know what happened to him
Truth: Mary the Mother of Jesus witnessed his death, John the disciple witnessed his death. The disciples witnessed his assentation. Jews claimed they killed Him. Roman historians documented the christus that was crucified. Now 700 years after, a new history appeared.

Question: How come the Quran?
Muslims Answer: Angel Gabriel dictated the words of Allah to Mohammed
Truth: If Allah is God, how comes he thought that the sun set inside the murky waters? How come Allah confused Mary mother of Jesus with Miriam sister of Aaron? How come Abraham was delivered from the fire rather than Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? How come Allah prays for Muhammad? How come Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus?

Unfortunately without lies, Islam dies a natural death!

On the internet...

Lukuluku69:
Seating on the Throne of David? Yeah Muhammad did when he judged the Jews of Medina. Did Jesus ever rule over the Jews? Remember he ran away in Nain.

Only the Messiah can sit on the throne of David my friend. Your lack of understanding of Jewish tradition is appalling.
1. The throne of David is an everlasting throne
2 Samuel 7:12-13
When your days are complete and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, who will come forth from you, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
2. As earlier said: the throne of David is reserved for the messiah
Luke 1:32-33
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”
3. The throne of David is in Jerusalem:
4. Check out
Luke 1:32
31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to [color=#990000]give Him the name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, 33and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”
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What else is simpler to understand than the above.

Lukuluku69:
It is not possible for a. Muslim to ever and lead prayers to Yahweh. Do you know why? Yahweh is a creation of those who translated the Bibles from Hebrew to other Languages.

Ya huwa Elohim. Meaning OH HE ELOHIM/ELOHA. So, where did you see Yahweh on that? You guys added vowels to OH HE and make a name for God out of it.

Have you ever heard a Jew use Yahweh in referring to God of Israel?

No wonder, even Allah in the Quran unknowingly gave people names in the Quran with Yahweh as prefix or Suffix.

You know when we say without lies, Islam dies!
Let me burst your lies
1. Allah claimed he gave the name yahya to Zachariah's son (Quran 19:7-10).
Please what is the meaning of Yahaya?
2. Allah speaking about Ilyas (Elias or Elijah) in Quran 6:85 says they are from among the righteous.
What is the mening of Ilyas (Elias or Elijah)

The truth obviously sets free

Lukuluku69:
1. Seating on the Throne of David? Yeah Muhammad did when he judged the Jews of Medina. Did Jesus ever rule over the Jews? Remember he ran away in Nain.

1. Was David's Throne in Medina? How did it get there?

As Isaiah tried desperately to explain to you in Isaiah 60, the throne will be occupied when the Messiah returns to rule over Jerusalem in Israel.

mhmsadyq:
On the internet...

Don't you read books in the library?
The truth is a kind of INFORMATION and it sets free when you adopt it.

TenQ:
Don't you read books in the library?
The truth is a kind of INFORMATION and it sets free when you adopt it.

The virtual library where you get pictures from?

mhmsadyq:
The virtual library where you get pictures from?

I can never forget the first time I read the hadiths in my state library. They had a large volume of all the hadiths.
I couldn't help but marvel at the contents.

The age of ICT just made information mining far much easier.

Google Translate is my friend: All the hidden things in Arabic is made plain.

Unfortunately, the lies hidden in Arabic ius getting exposed by the day. And truly speaking, I don't trust translations made by Muslims either for the Quran or their hadiths ( I double check in case they have smuggled in something else to modify the true meaning of the text).

God is indeed very Good!

TenQ:
If only you had read a few post (between the lines) before judging.
Shalom

Your shalom is useless if you lack basic truth!

Nobody knows Muhammad before he started preaching those things so if you believe (trust) in his teachings you're already a Muslim, leave Muhammad name out of this. Practice it all and see how Muslims throughout the world will embrace you as their brother.
You only prove to be an insane when you speak against the name of a prophet whom you've made your role model!

TenQ:
I don't have any problems with
1. Belief in God
2. praying five times a day;
3. giving zakat, or donating a certain portion of one's wealth;
4. fasting during Ramadan; and
5. making a pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

HOWEVER,
I do not believe that Mohammed is a Prophet of God nor His Messager.
(Based on several issues)

Is it possible to be a Moslem with this condition?

The funny thing here is that the so called Muslims arguing with you are as dumb as you are!
Whoever makes Christ's teachings his way of life has become a Christian, it's as simple as that.
So if you're practicing everything Muhammad taught but saying you don't believe that the same Muhammad who brought the teachings is not a prophet of God then your brain need a reset!

TenQ:
I can never forget the first time I read the hadiths in my state library. They had a large volume of all the hadiths.
I couldn't help but marvel at the contents.

The age of ICT just made information mining far much easier.

Google Translate is my friend: All the hidden things in Arabic is made plain.

Unfortunately, the lies hidden in Arabic ius getting exposed by the day. And truly speaking, I don't trust translations made by Muslims either for the Quran or their hadiths ( I double check in case they have smuggled in something else to modify the true meaning of the text).

God is indeed very Good!

Your headache to deal with.

Al-Baqarah 2:2
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah .
Al-Baqarah 2:3
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

Al-Baqarah 2:4
And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

Al-Baqarah 2:5
Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.

Al-Baqarah 2:6
Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.


These are the Muslim translations.

You can consult google translate for more headaches!

LOL!

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing here is that the so called Muslims arguing with you are as dumb as you are!
Whoever makes Christ's teachings his way of life has become a Christian, it's as simple as that.
So if you're practicing everything Muhammad taught but saying you don't believe that the same Muhammad who brought the teachings is not a prophet of God then your brain need a reset!

Oga, speak for your religion.

You can't deny Muhammad and claim to remain/be a Muslim.

Who does that?

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing here is that the so called Muslims arguing with you are as dumb as you are!
Whoever makes Christ's teachings his way of life has become a Christian, it's as simple as that.
So if you're practicing everything Muhammad taught but saying you don't believe that the same Muhammad who brought the teachings is not a prophet of God then your brain need a reset!

Oga, speak for your religion.

You can't deny Muhammad and claim to remain/be a Muslim.

Who does that?

Aal-al-Imran 3:81
And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [Allah] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

Islam is based on the believe in Allah and His Messenger.

Those who believed in Allah through the Prophet sent to them during their time will be saved.

Our Prophet is Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam. Whoever denies him is a non-Muslim.

Whoever denies Jesus among the children of Israel during his time on earth is a non-Muslim. Whoever believes in Allah through His messenger Jesus during his time on earth before the Prophethood of Muhammad is a Muslim.

Same too for Moses, Elijah, Solomon, David, Abraham, Noah, Joseph, Jonah, etc.

The Prophets are the standard from the beginning of their time till another arrives. Muhammad is the last of them.

But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.
Qu'ran 4:65

AntiChristian:
1. Islam is based on the believe in Allah and His Messenger. Those who believed in Allah through the Prophet sent to them during their time will be saved. Our Prophet is Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam. Whoever denies him is a non-Muslim.

2. Whoever denies Jesus among the children of Israel during his time on earth is a non-Muslim. Whoever believes in Allah through His messenger Jesus during his time on earth before the Prophethood of Muhammad is a Muslim.Same too for Moses, Elijah, Solomon, David, Abraham, Noah, Joseph, Jonah, etc.
The Prophets are the standard from the beginning of their time till another arrives. Muhammad is the last of them.

But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.
Qu'ran 4:65

1. Saved from what?

2. According to the verse you quoted, only those who make Mohamed judge in all disputes between them quality to be Muslims. So since none of those you mentioned ever did just that, how can any of them be considered Muslims?