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Can somebody honestly shed some light why muslims would kill, fight and defend their prophet while the christians would only pray and ask God to defend himself.

With unrest around the world caused by slaves of Allah, muslims are always quick to anger with violent response in defense of their faith.


I would very much want to know why the two religion differ so much in their approach to negative or contrary issues against them.

RightChannel:
1.Can somebody honestly shed some light why muslims would kill, fight and defend their prophet while the christians would only pray and ask God to defend himself.

2. With unrest around the world caused by slaves of Allah, muslims are always quick to anger with violent response in defense of their faith.
I would very much want to know why the two religion differ so much in their approach to negative or contrary issues against them.

If you don't understand what it means to be a Christian to begin with, then I suggest you start with the basics to realize why it is inane to continue to pitch Christians against Muslims in the way you go around doing.

1. A Christian is one who lives life in complete submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. And as Jesus Christ never asked His own to fight in HIs name nor defend themselves or anyone in His name, it is pretty commonsense why those who follow Him cannot and should not take up arms in His name.

2. Muslims are those who bow to the commandments and traditions of the man called Mohammed who basically allows them to kill and maim in his name. That is majorly why they are able to and openly carry out killings in his honor.

RightChannel:
Can somebody honestly shed some light why muslims would kill, fight and defend their prophet while the christians would only pray and ask God to defend himself.
With unrest around the world caused by slaves of Allah, muslims are always quick to anger with violent response in defense of their faith.
I would very much want to know why the two religion differ so much in their approach to negative or contrary issues against them.

When Muhammad was alive he told his disciples that they should hold themselves because Allah can do and undo so he can't guarantee anyone's salvation.

But Jesus said:

“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth" Matthew 28:18

Moreover Muhammad's disciples will surrender their lives to save Muhammad but Jesus surrendered his own life for his disciples and when Peter (one of his friends) tried to fight for Jesus he rebuked him! Matthew 26:52

So true Christians can't think of fighting for Jesus who has been given all the power both in heaven and on earth!

Which makes sense to you, that the gods should fight for a man or that man should fight for the gods?

Qtrpst4:
Which makes sense to you, that the gods should fight for a man or that man should fight for the gods?

ROFLMAO

You fight for and defend the helpless, but the One who can fight for Himself doesn't need anyone to fight for Him or defend Him. Did you see how Deborah Samuel was stoned and burnt? They used all their power and strength to attack her as their god was unable to punish her. Do you know how many terrorist organizations are in the world today to defend Allah, Muha mad man and Quran? Islam does not make sense!

You won't see slaves of allah here to come and defend baby Aishat's husband that was poisoned to death like mosque rat

Kobojunkie:
If you don't understand what it means to be a Christian to begin with, then I suggest you start with the basics to realize why it is inane to continue to pitch Christians against Muslims in the way you go around doing.

1. A Christian is one who lives life in complete submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. And as Jesus Christ never asked His own to fight in HIs name nor defend themselves or anyone in His name, it is pretty commonsense why those who follow Him cannot and should not take up arms in His name.

2. Muslims are those who bow to the commandments and traditions of the man called Mohammed who basically allows them to kill and maim in his name. That is majorly why they are able to and openly carry out killings in his honor.

You self don join them in this your submission. How many Muslims exists and what percentage are those terrorists?

Are there not terrorists who are Christians that committed war crimes in large scales?

All of you have traits of hypocrisy!

MaxInDHouse:
When Muhammad was alive he told his disciples that they should hold themselves because Allah can do and undo so he can't guarantee anyone's salvation.

of course, Allah can do all things! Muhammad can't guarantee anything except what Allah wills!

But Jesus said:

“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth" Matthew 28:18

Same Jesus with all the power he was given was asked about the hour yet he didn't know it. He said the knowledge belong to his father alone.
He even said "I by myself can do nothing ". So this is in line with what Muhammad said!

Moreover Muhammad's disciples will surrender their lives to save Muhammad but Jesus surrendered his own life for his disciples and when Peter (one of his friends) tried to fight for Jesus he rebuked him! Matthew 26:52

So true Christians can't think of fighting for Jesus who has been given all the power both in heaven and on earth!

Muhammad was a stateman who controlled a nation. He used a system of government to rule his people just like Moses!

Jesus never had time to do this yet!

Stop comparing what is not comparable!

AntiChristian:
of course, Allah can do all things! Muhammad can't guarantee anything except what Allah wills!

So Allah can't be TRUSTED (BELIEVED)

AntiChristian:
Muhammad was a stateman who controlled a nation. He used a system of government to rule his people just like Moses!
Jesus never had time to do this yet!
Stop comparing what is not comparable!

Do you believe in the day of judgement?
Well that's when Jesus will take control not now that his disciples are still gathering lovers of peace throughout the earth! Matthew 13:24-30

So unlike your Muhammad who died fighting his way with critics Jesus surrendered knowing fully well that that's not the time yet to act and mind you even a thief executed beside Jesus begged the Prince of Peace for his salvation {Luke 23:42} and instantly Jesus granted him a Visa {Luke 23:43} while your Muhammad don't even know what will happen to him!

MaxInDHouse:
So Allah can't be TRUSTED (BELIEVED)

He is trusted when you use His name in your Bible!

Do you believe in the day of judgement?
Well that's when Jesus will take control not now that his disciples are still gathering lovers of peace throughout the earth! Matthew 13:24-30

If Jesus takes control then God will be what? A spectator! God has never lost control of his creations at any point in time.

So unlike your Muhammad who died fighting his way with critics Jesus surrendered knowing fully well that that's not the time yet to act and mind you even a thief executed beside Jesus begged the Prince of Peace for his salvation {Luke 23:42} and instantly Jesus granted him a Visa {Luke 23:43} while your Muhammad don't even know what will happen to him!

Shebi his father purposely sent him to die? May your father do same to you and you to your children.

See as you they type twisted lies up and down!

Kobojunkie:
If you don't understand what it means to be a Christian to begin with, then I suggest you start with the basics to realize why it is inane to continue to pitch Christians against Muslims in the way you go around doing.

1. A Christian is one who lives life in complete submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. And as Jesus Christ never asked His own to fight in HIs name nor defend themselves or anyone in His name, it is pretty commonsense why those who follow Him cannot and should not take up arms in His name.

2. Muslims are those who bow to the commandments and traditions of the man called Mohammed who basically allows them to kill and maim in his name. That is majorly why they are able to and openly carry out killings in his honor.

Not true, muslims have not been commanded to fight for any one.

AntiChristian:
He is trusted when you use His name in your Bible!

Allah no dey inside Bible o!

AntiChristian:
If Jesus takes control then God will be what? A spectator! God has never lost control of his creations at any point in time.

Our own God has given Jesus all the authority both in heaven and on earth {Matthew 28:18} so our God differs from yours!

AntiChristian:
Shebi his father purposely sent him to die? May your father do same to you and you to your children.
See as you they type twisted lies up and down!

Ṣebi all Muhammad male children died and he buried them, may you also bury all your male children. Idiot!

AntiChristian:
1.You self don join them in this your submission. How many Muslims exists and what percentage are those terrorists?

2. Are there not terrorists who are Christians that committed war crimes in large scales?

3. All of you have traits of hypocrisy!

1. What do you mean? Did I lie in my submission there?

2. There are terrorists who profess Christianity but the very tenets of the belief reveal their claims as nothing but a sham since Jesus Christ, the Christ in Christianity never authorized killings or any kind in His name. So even the world easily knows such as imposters attempting to hide behind the name of Jesus Christ.

However, even according to you, Mohammed sanctioned killings, some of which he carried out with his own hands, is this not true?

3. You should probably learn the meaning of the word hypocrisy so you don't render it meaningless by your continued use of it even where it makes no sense.

2dominate:
Not true, muslims have not been commanded to fight for any one.

But according to many of those of you who claim to be true Muslims, the lynching of even Deborah which took place only weeks ago was sanctioned in the name of Mohammed.

According to many so-called true Muslims, anyone who insults even Mohammed, a dead man, deserves to be put to death to honor him. So, aren't those who praise these lynchings same as those who carry them out in the name of Mohammed?

And since Mohammmed didn't distance himself from killings, many of which he carried out by his own hands, how can any one really claim that true Muslims have not been commanded to fight for anyone?

Kobojunkie:
But according to many of those of you who claim to be true Muslims, the lynching of even Deborah which took place only weeks ago was sanctioned in the name of Mohammed.

According to many so-called true Muslims, anyone who insults even Mohammed, a dead man, deserves to be put to death to honor him. So, aren't those who praise these lynchings same as those who carry them out in the name of Mohammed?

And since Mohammmed didn't distance himself from killings, many of which he carried out by his own hands, how can any one really claim that true Muslims have not been commanded to fight for anyone?

I always see your comment against your fellow Christians where you claim that what they do is not what jesus commanded and you bring your proof from the bible, If in that case someone still claims that no what some other Christians do or say is what Christ commanded what will be your response to such person?

2dominate:
I always see your comment against your fellow Christians where you claim that what they do is not what jesus commanded and you bring your proof from the bible, If in that case someone still claims that no what some other Christians do or say is what Christ commanded what will be your response to such person?

What is not commanded of Jesus Christ is not of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ made it clear that those who violate His teachings( and as a result His examples) are not of Him, this from over 2000 years ago.

So, according to Jesus Christ Himself, those who belong to Him are those who do as He commands, not those who do as they please using His Name to camouflage their ways. So, this really isn't about what I said but what Jesus Christ Himself made clear to all who care in His Gospel and Law to those who will follow Him.

Kobojunkie:
What is not commanded of Jesus Christ is not of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ made it clear that those who violate His teachings( and as a result His examples) are not of Him, this from over 2000 years ago.

So, according to Jesus Christ Himself, those who belong to Him are those who do as He commands, not those who do as they please using His Name to camouflage their ways. So, this really isn't about what I said but what Jesus Christ Himself made clear to all who care in His Gospel and Law to those who will follow Him.

That is same with Islam, the Prophet never commanded any one to get violent in his name, but that they will be judged by Allah on the day of judgment.

2dominate:
That is same with Islam, the Prophet never commanded any one to get violent in his name, but that they will be judged by Allah on the day of judgment.

Mohammed also never condemned violence done in his name, to begin with. He himself got blood on his hands which he sanctioned in the name of Allah, pretty much leaving it all open to interpretation.

I say this because the explanations I have read from many who also claim to be true Muslims also lead to the suggestion that Mohammed wasn't against killings done in his name. And if Allah is supposed to judge based on only that which Mohammed has in fact stated, then Allah can't really condemn one for killing in Mohammed's name, can he?

Kobojunkie:
Mohammed also never condemned violence done in his name, to begin with. He himself got blood on his hands which he sanctioned in the name of Allah, pretty much leaving it all open to interpretation.

I say this because the explanations I have read from many who also claim to be true Muslims also lead to the suggestion that Mohammed wasn't against killings done in his name. And if Allah is supposed to judge based on only that which Mohammed has in fact stated, then Allah can't really condemn one for killing in Mohammed's name, can he?

I would like you to refer me to those responses that are backed by the Quran and also the instance in his life he punished some anyone for blasphemy
And also i can provide you with a verse that back up my point.

2dominate:
1. I would like you to refer me to those responses that are backed by the Quran and also the instance in his life he punished some anyone for blasphemy.

2. And also i can provide you with a verse that back up my point.

1. The situation is such that Muslims claim to follow the Law of Moses, a Law which was instead given by God as a National Constitution only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins and for the Nation founded in the land of Canaan. So, it is all murky, to begin with.

2. You can go for it, but again, you have 1 above to contend with.

Kobojunkie:
1. The situation is such that Muslims claim to follow the Law of Moses, a Law which was instead given by God as a National Constitution only to those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins and for the Nation founded in the land of Canaan. So, it is all murky, to begin with.

2. You can go for it, but again, you have 1 above to contend with.

No we do nof follow the law of Moses although there might be similarities but it's totally different.

2dominate:
No we do not follow the law of Moses although there might be similarities but it's totally different.

Interesting claim!

Let me ask you this. Why do Muslims believe those who blaspheme the name of Mohammed deserve death? And why is this a part of what is Muslim sharia law?

How different are the blasphemy laws in Islam different from those stated in the Law of Moses, the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel?

Kobojunkie:
Interesting claim!

Let me ask you this. Why do Muslims believe those who blaspheme the name of Mohammed deserve death? And why is this a part of what is Muslim sharia law?

How different are the blasphemy laws in Islam different from those stated in the Law of Moses, the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel?

Like i said blasphemy alone does not deserve death in Islam, but like it also there are many beliefs of a lots of muslims that have no basis or backing in the Holy Quran first or the Hadith, beliefs like murder for apostasy, life of Jesus in heaven and his return, concept of dajjal, finality of Prophethood etc.
Why majority of muslims believe in such wrong concept is a topic for discussion another time.

2dominate:
1. Like i said blasphemy alone does not deserve death in Islam, but like it also there are many beliefs of a lots of muslims that have no basis or backing in the Holy Quran first or the Hadith, beliefs like murder for apostasy, life of Jesus in heaven and his return, concept of dajjal, finality of Prophethood etc.

2. Why majority of muslims believe in such wrong concept is a topic for discussion another time.

1. Recall what I had said earlier,

Kobojunkie:
Mohammed also never condemned violence done in his name, to begin with. He himself got blood on his hands which he sanctioned in the name of Allah, pretty much leaving it all open to interpretation.

I say this because the explanations I have read from many who also claim to be true Muslims also lead to the suggestion that Mohammed wasn't against killings done in his name. And if Allah is supposed to judge based on only that which Mohammed has in fact stated, then Allah can't really condemn one for killing in Mohammed's name, can he?

2. I believe this all stems from the fact that Mohammed created a movement that left a lot open to interpretation.

There are lots of Muslims who right here on nairaland quote blasphemy laws including death by stoning statutes from what is the Law of Moses to justify their stance that blasphemy is sanctioned in Islam, and they do this by believing themselves true Muslims by this, something one cannot easily refute since Mohammed never really provided a true boundary for such measurements, not as Jesus Christ did.

Kobojunkie:
1. Recall what I had said earlier, 2. I believe this all stems from the fact that Mohammed created a movement that left a lot open to interpretation.

There are lots of Muslims who right here on nairaland quote blasphemy laws including death by stoning statutes from what is the Law of Moses to justify their stance that blasphemy is sanctioned in Islam, and they do this by believing themselves true Muslims by this, something one cannot easily refute since Mohammed never really provided a true boundary for such measurements, not as Jesus Christ did.

Muhammad saw was the leader in medina, He uses the death penalty as punishment for disorder in the society or for retribution but no where is it mentioned that he ordered the death of someone for blasphemy, and for the fact that he never created true boundary, that does not hinder someone from carrying out their self suited commentary of his saying, it is stated clearly in the Holy Quran that Isa is no more but they still twist words to suit their narrative.
Also i would love it 8f you refer me to anywhere someone has proved convincingly that such is in the Quran.

Kobojunkie:
1. Recall what I had said earlier, 2. I believe this all stems from the fact that Mohammed created a movement that left a lot open to interpretation.

There are lots of Muslims who right here on nairaland quote blasphemy laws including death by stoning statutes from what is the Law of Moses to justify their stance that blasphemy is sanctioned in Islam, and they do this by believing themselves true Muslims by this, something one cannot easily refute since Mohammed never really provided a true boundary for such measurements, not as Jesus Christ did.

And the fact that he never condemned violence committed in his name is not true, there was a time he sent an expedition to gather information about the mekkans, this companions attacked someone who has been guilty of incitement against the muslims, they attacked while in doubt about the month been part of the holy month, when they came before Muhammad saw He rebuked them seriously that they thought they were going to be destroyed.

2dominate:
1. Muhammad saw was the leader in medina, He uses the death penalty as punishment for disorder in the society or for retribution but no where is it mentioned that he ordered the death of someone for blasphemy, and for the fact that he never created true boundary, that does not hinder someone from carrying out their self suited commentary of his saying,

2. it is stated clearly in the Holy Quran that Isa is no more but they still twist words to suit their narrative.

3. Also i would love it 8f you refer me to anywhere someone has proved convincingly that such is in the Quran.

1. Since Mohammed himself used the death penalty for disorder in the society and for retributions, can you not see how blasphemy of Mohammed could be easily consdiered, and explained, by some muslims as a disorder in what is Muslim society?

2. Well, fortunately, the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ we have today, remain as recorded almost 2000 years ago, so no matter how much men attempt to twist the narrative, the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, prevails.

3. As you openly confirmed in #1 above, Mohammed did not provide what is a true boundary as far as the belief is concerned so it is hard to hold anyone to any real standard. Some Muslims believe to some extent that what is written in the Bible applies to them, while others don't. Others subscribe to what is written in some other texts other than the Quran and the Bible, so where does one begin with this proof you seek?

2dominate:
1. And the fact that he never condemned violence committed in his name is not true, there was a time he sent an expedition to gather information about the mekkans, this companions attacked someone who has been guilty of incitement against the muslims, they attacked while in doubt about the month been part of the holy month, when they came before Muhammad saw He rebuked them seriously that they thought they were going to be destroyed.

And?

Kobojunkie:
1. Since Mohammed himself used the death penalty for disorder in the society and for retributions, can you not see how blasphemy of Mohammed could be easily consdiered, and explained, by some muslims as a disorder in what is Muslim society?

2. Well, fortunately, the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ we have today, remain as recorded almost 2000 years ago, so no matter how much men attempt to twist the narrative, the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, prevails.

3. As you openly confirmed in #1 above, Mohammed did not provide what is a true boundary as far as the belief is concerned so it is hard to hold anyone to any real standard. Some Muslims believe to some extent that what is written in the Bible applies to them, while others don't. Others subscribe to what is written in some other texts other than the Quran and the Bible, so where does one begin with this proof you seek?

1. Muhammad was a political leader as well as a religious leader if blasphemy is punishable by death even then it's for the leaders to implement not every one as you see today.
2. Jesus was never in any position of authority through which you can judge him.
3. The Holy Prophet during his conquest of Mecca forgave all the meccans even though they tormented him physically, psychologically and emotionally, He could have decided there qnd then to kill them all but He did not.
4. As a Christian i know you would not want to accept anything good about Islam but ponder over this.

Kobojunkie:
1. Since Mohammed himself used the death penalty for disorder in the society and for retributions, can you not see how blasphemy of Mohammed could be easily consdiered, and explained, by some muslims as a disorder in what is Muslim society?

2. Well, fortunately, the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ we have today, remain as recorded almost 2000 years ago, so no matter how much men attempt to twist the narrative, the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, prevails.

3. As you openly confirmed in #1 above, Mohammed did not provide what is a true boundary as far as the belief is concerned so it is hard to hold anyone to any real standard. Some Muslims believe to some extent that what is written in the Bible applies to them, while others don't. Others subscribe to what is written in some other texts other than the Quran and the Bible, so where does one begin with this proof you seek?

All muslims believe in the Quran and hadith, and that two would be most appreciated by me although Quran supersedes the Hadith.

2dominate:
1. Muhammad was a political leader as well as a religious leader if blasphemy is punishable by death even then it's for the leaders to implement not every one as you see today.

2. Jesus was never in any position of authority through which you can judge him.

3. The Holy Prophet during his conquest of Mecca forgave all the meccans even though they tormented him physically, psychologically and emotionally, He could have decided there qnd then to kill them all but He did not.

4. As a Christian i know you would not want to accept anything good about Islam but ponder over this.

1. You say he was both a political leader and a religious leader, so what leaders do you expect to implement this supposed blasphemy law? Political or religious? And at what level do you expect said leads to implement the supposed law ... for instance, per mosque, community, state, regional or national? which?

2. Jesus Christ came as King in the Kingdom of God, a Kingdom not of this world where He alone is judge and ruler of, just as He told them over 2000 years ago. He is the Law by which all those who belong in the Kingdom will be judged on judgment day as He explained in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 where He insists that He is the ruler over Heaven and over Hell.

3. Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that he did not forgive everyone who ever tormented him, does it now?

4. You have it all wrong! It is not that I don't want to accept anything good about Islam but instead that I cant see what you claim is good about Islam as a way of life.

Before I chose Jesus Christ, I was an atheist and had time to story various beliefs out there. Even attempted Buddhism at one point but the problem was none of them made sense to me at first. I came to where I am today not by exploring the beliefs from the point of view of men, but instead from God Himself. He was my way into understanding Him, and eventually Jesus Christ apart from all the junk out there about Him.

I see myself as a rather logical person and Jesus Christ makes logical sense where God is, but Islam doesn't provide me that logical contract.