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SmartPolician:
We all thought Tinubu would pick Dogara as his running mate. That move would have saved him all this drama.

I actually tried to pass over your comment! but shall I ask you, if you were a politician, if you were in Tinubu shoes would you pick Dogara as your running mate? considering the history between them, how Dogara withstood the party and the administration of PMB, how dogara became speaker...Dogara only tried to reap where he did not sow and that's unchristianic.

What’s your point?
Obi left APGA for PDP, and now he is in Labour Party.
How is that relevant to my post?

PHOTSEE:
And the same you will still cry, that peter Obi left PDP for LP

Onigawara:
After the primaries, after seeing some Yoruba elements on this forum trying to convince us on the need to maintain a united front on our quest for power to return to the South, I even contemplated giving Tinubu my vote.

But what did the silly old man do?
Yh he disregarded the existence of we the Christians in this country by choosing a Muslim to be his VP, claiming there are no competent Northern Christian to pair up with him. What an insult. As if that wasn't enough, the old thief hired local Yoruba agberos to impersonate the highly respected bishops of our faith. Unforgivable!. Tinubu is a religious extremist and a tribal bigot. Whatever happens, he must NOT win the 2023 presidential election.
I'm counting on CAN to campaign massively against him. Everyone must step up their game. Everyone must be enlightened on the dangers of voting Tinubu into power

Oga rest even if he'd picked the pope you still for no vote am.

shinealight:
It’s nothing but sour grapes…..one of them was expecting to be picked as Asiwaju’s running mate but they were overlooked. Simplicita!

Yes, because most of Senator Bola Tinubu's Muslim northern supporters cannot vote for him if he picks a northern Christian as running mate. Yet APC supporters hypocritically claim that religion should not be an issue but 'competence'. Instead of saying the obvious, the APC presidential flagbearer keeps on adding salt to injury by claiming that he went for 'competence' thereby insinuating that no northern Christian is competent enough to become Nigeria's vice president which is an insult to them.

WibusJaga:


Every sensible Christian must reject the Muslim-Muslim ticket. Infact every right-thinking Nigerian must reject it.


Never expect another person to accept what you can never accept. That's Evil.

This screams "every sensible Muslim must vote the Muslim-Muslim ticket"

FreedomfromtheT:
Yes, because most of Senator Bola Tinubu's Muslim northern supporters cannot vote for him if he picks a northern Christian as running mate. Yet APC supporters hypocritically claim that religion should not be an issue but 'competence'. Instead of saying the obvious, the APC presidential flagbearer keeps on adding salt to injury by claiming that he went for 'competence' thereby insinuating that no northern Christian is competent enough to become Nigeria's vice president which is an insult to them.

There are many factors at play, all of which can affect the outcome of the election.
Competence, Religion, Ethnicity are all factors which the flagbearer need to weigh and determine which carries more weight to enable him win the election. At the end of the day, elections are about winning creditably…..not about mere participation as in the Olympics.
The flagbearer may also be of the view that certain factors like Religion or Ethnicity need to be de-emphasised in our polity while other factors such as “Competence and Capacity to Deliver” should be given a higher premium.
It is therefore a balancing act that each flagbearer is engaged in.
After all said and done, the voter retains his/her PVC to do as s/he pleases and thereafter face the consequences of making a wrong choice. Simplicita!

shinealight:
There are many factors at play, all of which can affect the outcome of the election.
Competence, Religion, Ethnicity are all factors which the flagbearer need to weigh and determine which carries more weight to enable him win the election. At the end of the day, elections are about winning creditably…..not about mere participation as in the Olympics.
The flagbearer may also be of the view that certain factors like Religion or Ethnicity need to be de-emphasised in our polity while other factors such as “Competence and Capacity to Deliver” should be given a higher premium.
It is therefore a balancing act that each flagbearer is engaged in.
After all said and done, the voter retains his/her PVC to do as s/he pleases and thereafter face the consequences of making a wrong choice. Simplicita!

I see. You and the APC's definition of 'competence' is the capacity to be used to win elections and not necessarily the capacity of the candidate to govern well. Amidst the insecurities, corruption, dwindling economy and biting hardships in Nigeria, winning of election is paramount to politicians and in this case the ruling APC. But to the suffering majority of Nigerians, competence in terms of a candidate's ability to pull the nation out of its numerous challenges is paramount.

FreedomfromtheT:
I see. You and the APC's definition of 'competence' is the capacity to be used to win elections and not necessarily the capacity of the candidate to govern well. Amidst the insecurities, corruption, dwindling economy and biting hardships in Nigeria, winning of election is paramount to politicians and in this case the ruling APC. But to the suffering majority of Nigerians, competence in terms of a candidate's ability to pull the nation out of its numerous challenges is paramount.

I said…”Competence and Capacity to Deliver”. Those are two distinct factors at play. The competence factor still satisfies your latter definition, doesn’t it? Anyway, no point quibbling about the factors the flagbearer should or should not place emphasis on.
Good thing Nigeria is not like USA (in this respect) where you only have one or the other choice of party to vote for. At the last count I believe we had 18. So, everyone should make his choice and stop haranguing those who have chosen not to follow your own particular choice of political arrangement. It’s a free country for Heaven’s sake!

It was godly when you and other christian folks indulge in vote buying that led to asiwaju's emergence but find it ungodly when the aftermath of your decisions doesn't favour you guys.

You had viable christians amongst the candidates especially considering how the VP dealt with your conscience but then you guys went ahead and sold your votes for a man you knew was desperate and will make desperate decisions to become president.

Where was same CAN when christian folks amongst delegates sold their votes? Where was same CAN when the redeem Christian church was attacked for setting up a political department to ensure the emergence of the VP who is not just a respected pastor but one who is loved by the common man? Those shouting Muslim Muslim ticket, were they not part of the process that were coming up with propagandas because of the VP loyalty to party and boss?

Everyone should enjoy the effect of their decisions and no one should come foam around their mouth here.

shinealight:
I said…”Competence and Capacity to Deliver”. Those are two distinct factors at play. The competence factor still satisfies your latter definition, doesn’t it? Anyway, no point quibbling about the factors the flagbearer should or should not place emphasis on.
Good thing Nigeria is not like USA (in this respect) where you only have one or the other choice of party to vote for. At the last count I believe we had 18. So, everyone should make his choice and stop haranguing those who have chosen not to follow your own particular choice of political arrangement. It’s a free country for Heaven’s sake!

Yes, it is a free country. But we know what desperate politicians especially the ruling party are capable of doing since they are after 'winning' and little or nothing else matters. Nigeria can burn to ashes so long as certain politicians have the power. We also know how 'strong' and truly 'independent' our institutions including the so-called Independent National Electoral Commission and the judiciary currently are. I don't really blame the APC presidential candidate. He appears so desperate that he is willing to do anyone's bidding so long as he achieve's his life time ambition of becoming the president. The ruling party to me is to blame. Knowing how polarized our country currently is and how sensitive and important the issue of religious representation is to us (from both sides of the divide), I think the party should have been circumspect in their choice of candidates and running mate. There were lots of southern Christian aspirants who contested for the presidential primaries under the ruling party: the current vice president, professor Yemi Osinbajo, Rt Hon. Rotimi Amaechi, Dr. Kayode Fayemi, Dr. Ogbonnaya Onu, Engineer David Umahi, Chief Godswill Akpabio, Mr. Chukwuemeka Nwajiuba, Dr. Ken Nnamani, professor Ben Ayade, Owelle Rochas Okorocha etc. Why didn't the APC choose one of them and then choose a northern Muslim as running mate (since a northern Christian cannot represent the north)? If a northern Christian is dispensable to give way for same faith ticket, even if it will cause religious upheaval and brouhaha, can't a southern Muslim be dispensable for the sake of religious balancing, unity and peaceful coexistence of our already divided nation? Or is non of these southern Christian politicians 'competent' enough to be president under the ruling APC? Is APC a Muslim party in disguise?

FreedomfromtheT:
Yes, it is a free country. But we know what desperate politicians especially the ruling party are capable of doing since they are after 'winning' and little or nothing else matters. Nigeria can burn to ashes so long as certain politicians have the power. We also know how 'strong' and truly 'independent' our institutions including the so-called Independent National Electoral Commission and the judiciary currently are. I don't really blame the APC presidential candidate. He appears so desperate that he is willing to do anyone's bidding so long as he achieve's his life time ambition of becoming the president. The ruling party to me is to blame. Knowing how polarized our country currently is and how sensitive and important the issue of religious representation is to us (from both sides of the divide), I think the party should have been circumspect in their choice of candidates and running mate. There were lots of southern Christian aspirants who contested for the presidential primaries under the ruling party: the current vice president, professor Yemi Osinbajo, Rt Hon. Rotimi Amaechi, Dr. Kayode Fayemi, Dr. Ogbonnaya Onu, Engineer David Umahi, Chief Godswill Akpabio, Mr. Chukwuemeka Nwajiuba, Dr. Ken Nnamani, professor Ben Ayade, Owelle Rochas Okorocha etc. Why didn't the APC choose one of them and then choose a northern Muslim as running mate (since a northern Christian cannot represent the north)? If a northern Christian is dispensable to give way for same faith ticket, even if it will cause religious upheaval and brouhaha, can't a southern Muslim be dispensable for the sake of religious balancing, unity and peaceful coexistence of our already divided nation? Or is non of these southern Christian politicians 'competent' enough to be president under the ruling APC? Is APC a Muslim party in disguise?

Why didn’t APC choose one of them? I’m sure you already know the answer to that question…..they cannot win a national election the way Nigeria is presently constituted. When they asked the South to unite, some people refused and insisted on going their separate ways. This is the fallout of that divided house. The principle of “divide and rule” continues to flourish where minorities refuse to employ sensible tactics of uniting but rely more on sentiment to direct affairs that have the potential to spell doom to millions of their people.
Think about it!

shinealight:
Why didn’t APC choose one of them? I’m sure you already know the answer to that question…..they cannot win a national election the way Nigeria is presently constituted. When they asked the South to unite, some people refused and insisted on going their separate ways. This is the fallout of that divided house. The principle of “divide and rule” continues to flourish where minorities refuse to employ sensible tactics of uniting but rely more on sentiment to direct affairs that have the potential to spell doom to millions of their people.
Think about it!

You are wrong sir. Perhaps you have forgotten our recent political history President Olusegun Obasanjo, a southern Christian, won the national election twice in 1999 and 2003 (defeating a popular northern Muslim Muhammadu Buhari in the later) and it is the same way Nigeria is currently constituted. President Goodluck Jonathan, a southern Christian, won the 2011 presidential election also defeating Muhammadu Buhari and it is the same way Nigeria is constituted. He only lost his second term bid because of the Southwest that didn't support him but decided to play the second fiddle unlike in 2011. The only explanation in my view, why in the ruling APC, 'a southern Christian cannot win a national election' according to you (which I don't subscribe to) is religious sentiments in favour of a Muslim candidate which brings me back to the question: Is the ruling APC, a Muslim party in disguise?

This failed and irrelevant Dogara was actually waiting for Tinubu to choose him as his running mate but was disappointed.


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Onigawara:
After the primaries, after seeing some Yoruba elements on this forum trying to convince us on the need to maintain a united front on our quest for power to return to the South, I even contemplated giving Tinubu my vote.

But what did the silly old man do?
Yh he disregarded the existence of we the Christians in this country by choosing a Muslim to be his VP, claiming there are no competent Northern Christian to pair up with him. What an insult. As if that wasn't enough, the old thief hired local Yoruba agberos to impersonate the highly respected bishops of our faith. Unforgivable!. Tinubu is a religious extremist and a tribal bigot. Whatever happens, he must NOT win the 2023 presidential election.
I'm counting on CAN to campaign massively against him. Everyone must step up their game. Everyone must be enlightened on the dangers of voting Tinubu into power

You can call him whatever u like..He made the ryt choice...Most of u crying online is not abt christian interest but a bid to blackmail Tinubu for ur personal interest.

If i may ask, wud u vote Tinubu if he had chosen pope or a pastor as his running mate?..The answer is NO so why are you so concerned and pained abt his decision..

Vote ur Obi in peace and let him be.

BAT 2033

mycar:
States with predominantly christians can go for Christian Christian, and states with predominantly Muslim can go for Muslim Muslim ticket but where there is equal number, it is to be balanced, that's common sense. Tinubu choice is senseless and such senseless delicision maker is not qualified to be our president

Most of u, the oppositions are pained and confused because the combo of Tinubu-Shettima is the real deal because of christians interest.

BAT 2023

pedel:
Tinubu’s decision is political not religious.
The fact that PDP is against that move should tell a good thinking person that Tinubu made a strategic decision.
If Tinubu had made a decision that would make him lose election, do you think PDP would worry about it.
In the Northern Nigeria politics is mixed with religion.
Those people will do what their cleric tells them.
Tinubu need a strong Muslim. Northern Nigeria is already an Islamic state wether we believe it or not. They operate Sharia law. They stone anyone who insult their Prophet to death and Nigeria law enforcement can’t really do anything about it.
I am not asking you to vote for Tinubu but not voting him means power returns to the North for another 8 years. That would be 16 years of Hausa Fulani as president.
In 2031 you will face the same situation again; the north will bring another candidate and if you use the same sentiment again power goes back to the North.
I suggest you forget about what CAN is saying and think about why they are not against PDP who failed to zone their presidency to the south the way APC did.
Tambuwal and Atiku colluded against Wike. The same way the Cabal colluded against Tinubu.
Think outside the box brother.
God bless you.

Most people wailing abt this strategic combo are actually worried abt the winning effect more than the religious effect..

Do you know that CAN/pastors are yet to praise Kwanwkaso for picking a pastor as his running mate..So i can boldly say its not about a christian being a vp..CAN is indirectly working for the oppositions like 2015.

An average ibo man will not vote Tinubu if he chooses a bishop as his running mate.

FreedomfromtheT:
You are wrong sir. Perhaps you have forgotten our recent political history President Olusegun Obasanjo, a southern Christian, won the national election twice in 1999 and 2003 (defeating a popular northern Muslim Muhammadu Buhari in the later) and it is the same way Nigeria is currently constituted. President Goodluck Jonathan, a southern Christian, won the 2011 presidential election also defeating Muhammadu Buhari and it is the same way Nigeria is constituted. He only lost his second term bid because of the Southwest that didn't support him but decided to play the second fiddle unlike in 2011. The only explanation in my view, why in the ruling APC, 'a southern Christian cannot win a national election' according to you (which I don't subscribe to) is religious sentiments in favour of a Muslim candidate which brings me back to the question: Is the ruling APC, a Muslim party in disguise?

As to who is right or wrong, let’s leave that till Feb 2023 when evidence will clearly bear one of us out!
As for the cases of Obasanjo and Jonathan you cited, I do not rely on such cases of manipulated elections to guide my conclusions. You’re of course free to disagree. Furthermore, if not for the threat of the ‘baboon and the dogs being made to bathe in blood’, I believe that Jonathan would still have retained the Presidency in 2015….but his nerves failed him.
Anyhow, let everyone use their PVCs wisely but not on the basis of religious sentiment or tribalism, neither of which can create jobs or put food on anyone’s family table. Heaven helps those who help themselves. Enough said!!

Toks2008:
I'm sorry to say but only a stupendous stwpid person will not see anything wrong in Muslim Muslim ticket

Sorry for yourself

But its Godly to jump from PDP to APC for your selfish reason...

Hypocrite..

deji17:
There are states in Nigeria with significant muslim population yet, with Christian Governor and deputy. Go and find out.

Can you please mention the states

deji17:
But Tinubu will still win. You guys are just a noisy minority. Mind you, there are Christians who will vote for Tinubu.

I'm one of them, including my households..

My pastor is also rooting for Tinubu's victory.


BAT 2023

I'm still waiting for when CAN will openly disown and reject fake pastors in Nigeria.

shinealight:
As to who is right or wrong, let’s leave that till Feb 2023 when evidence will clearly bear one of us out!
As for the cases of Obasanjo and Jonathan you cited, I do not rely on such cases of manipulated elections to guide my conclusions. You’re of course free to disagree. Furthermore, if not for the threat of the ‘baboon and the dogs being made to bathe in blood’, I believe that Jonathan would still have retained the Presidency in 2015….but his nerves failed him.
Anyhow, let everyone use their PVCs wisely but not on the basis of religious sentiment or tribalism, neither of which can create jobs or put food on anyone’s family table. Heaven helps those who help themselves. Enough said!!

Anything can happen by February 2023. It can go any of the three ways. The APC may end up 'winning' by free and fair election, by hook or by crook. The end does not justify the means. The sense of belonging of Christians and their fears about happenings under the current ruling (Islamic APC) party is cause for concern. But sir, can you please accept that you are wrong with your insinuation that a southern Muslim was picked by the APC because 'a southern Christian cannot win a national election' due to the way the country in constituted? Instead of accepting that you are wrong, your alibi is that the former elections were 'manipulated'. Back to my point. The ruling APC is to blame for the present political imbroglio. To avoid this unnecessary heating of the polity and dividing an already polarized nation, the ruling APC should have nominated a southern Christian with a Muslim running mate, more so bearing in mind that the incumbent president is a northern Muslim. But they are seeking for a Muslim to replace a Muslim in a country of almost 50% Christians. As if that was not enough, they selected another Muslim to deputize for a Muslim candidate! To justify this serious aberation, they claim the choice was made on the grounds of 'competetence' implying that no Christian is competent to even be a VP! Instead of correction this anomally, the ruling party keeps on attacking those who have been expectedly reacting in an obvious attempt to shut everyone down. Is Nigeria heading to a Muslim country should APC succeed in sailing through with this Muslim-Muslim ticket? Is Nigeria being ruled by the 'Taliban'? Is the APC an Islamic party?

deeva2:
Can you please mention the states

Here you have it. The new elected governor of Osun and his deputy are both Christians.

deji17:
Here you have it. The new elected governor of Osun and his deputy are both Christians.

This chat doesn't answer my question.

deji17:
Here you have it. The new elected governor of Osun and his deputy are both Christians.

I only asked you to mention states that are dominated my muslims but are ruled by a christian.

deeva2:
I only asked you to mention states that are dominated my muslims but are ruled by a christian.

Sorry, I replied you at all. I thought you were genuinely interested in knowledge but not knowing that you are out for mischief. Osun, Ondo and Ekiti are states with high population of Muslims.

deji17:
Sorry, I replied you at all. I thought you were genuinely interested in knowledge but not knowing that you are out for mischief. Osun, Ondo and Ekiti are states with high population of Muslims.

None of the mentioned state is dominated by Muslims.. They only have high population of Muslims.. Check your fact.

FreedomfromtheT:
Anything can happen by February 2023. It can go any of the three ways. The APC may end up 'winning' by free and fair election, by hook or by crook. The end does not justify the means. The sense of belonging of Christians and their fears about happenings under the current ruling (Islamic APC) party is cause for concern. But sir, can you please accept that you are wrong with your insinuation that a southern Muslim was picked by the APC because 'a southern Christian cannot win a national election' due to the way the country in constituted? Instead of accepting that you are wrong, your alibi is that the former elections were 'manipulated'. Back to my point. The ruling APC is to blame for the present political imbroglio. To avoid this unnecessary heating of the polity and dividing an already polarized nation, the ruling APC should have nominated a southern Christian with a Muslim running mate, more so bearing in mind that the incumbent president is a northern Muslim. But they are seeking for a Muslim to replace a Muslim in a country of almost 50% Christians. As if that was not enough, they selected another Muslim to deputize for a Muslim candidate! To justify this serious aberation, they claim the choice was made on the grounds of 'competetence' implying that no Christian is competent to even be a VP! Instead of correction this anomally, the ruling party keeps on attacking those who have been expectedly reacting in an obvious attempt to shut everyone down. Is Nigeria heading to a Muslim country should APC succeed in sailing through with this Muslim-Muslim ticket? Is Nigeria being ruled by the 'Taliban'? Is the APC an Islamic party?

I believe that Obasanjo’s election was manipulated by the military in 1999 to pacify the Yoruba for the treatment meted out to Abiola. I also believe that the incumbency factor played a major role in Jonathan’s election in 2011. So, why should I accept your views to the contrary?
As already noted, one of us will be proved right in Feb 2023 about the workability of a Christian-Muslim ticket in today’s Nigeria. Why don’t we all just wait and see…..it’s not far off!

PHOTSEE:
Do you really care? So that you can kidnap them any time you want abi?

Well if CAN can not see them fit to be their president, definitely they are fit to be president/vice of this country

You, my friend, are a very intelligent man.
Tinubu is not even depending on votes from the East.

deeva2:
Most people wailing abt this strategic combo are actually worried abt the winning effect more than the religious effect..

Do you know that CAN/pastors are yet to praise Kwanwkaso for picking a pastor as his running mate..So i can boldly say its not about a christian being a vp..CAN is indirectly working for the oppositions like 2015.

An average ibo man will not vote Tinubu if he chooses a bishop as his running mate.