₦airaland Forum

shinealight:
I believe that Obasanjo’s election was manipulated by the military in 1999 to pacify the Yoruba for the treatment meted out to Abiola. I also believe that the incumbency factor played a major role in Jonathan’s election in 2011. So, why should I accept your views to the contrary?
As already noted, one of us will be proved right in Feb 2023 about the workability of a Christian-Muslim ticket in today’s Nigeria. Why don’t we all just wait and see…..it’s not far off!

Meaning that you are wrong with your statement that a southern Christian cannot win a national election. It happened twice and can still happen again if the APC being the ruling party wants it to happen. You easily forget that both Olusegun Obasanjo and Olu Falae were southern Christians and either could have won to still pacify the Yoruba. If the military 'manipulated' Obasanjo's win and only incumbency helped Jonathan according to you, how come another southern Christian cannot win under the APC which is the incumbent party except a Muslim? What stops the ruling APC from pacifying Christians using their power of incumbency? Is that not religious sentiments in favour of a Muslim candidate? Is Nigeria under the APC a Muslim party? Is Nigeria an Islamic caliphate?

FreedomfromtheT:
Meaning that you are wrong with your statement that a southern Christian cannot win a national election. It happened twice and can still happen again if the APC being the ruling party wants it to happen. You easily forget that both Olusegun Obasanjo and Olu Falae were southern Christians and either could have won to still pacify the Yoruba. If the military 'manipulated' Obasanjo's win and only incumbency helped Jonathan according to you, how come another southern Christian cannot win under the APC which is the incumbent party except a Muslim? What stops the ruling APC from pacifying Christians using their power of incumbency? Is that not religious sentiments in favour of a Muslim candidate? Is Nigeria under the APC a Muslim party? Is Nigeria an Islamic caliphate?

Lolzzzzz!
This is simply hilarious! So, what you want is for APC under Buhari to rig the election in favour of your preferred Christian candidate as was done with our reverred President Obasanjo before the 1999 military handover. For you, this is to give Christians a sense of belonging in the dreamland Utopian State you would like to create in Nigeria. You can wait for the Sun to freeze over, my friend!

shinealight:
Lolzzzzz!
This is simply hilarious! So, what you want is for APC under Buhari to rig the election in favour of your preferred Christian candidate as was done with our reverred President Obasanjo before the 1999 military handover. For you, this is to give Christians a sense of belonging in the dreamland Utopian State you would like to create in Nigeria. You can wait for the Sun to freeze over, my friend!

You are the one the one talking of rigging of election. Is that what you meant by incumbency factor? For your information, president Obasanjo won in 1999 because the northern power-brokers used their influence to get the majority to vote to support and vote for him. So a ruling party cannot use their influence to make a southern Christian win the national election as president or a northern Christian as vp but they can do that for a Muslim/Muslim ticket? Is APC an Islamic party trying to make the country an Islamic caliphate?

shinealight:
Lolzzzzz!
This is simply hilarious! So, what you want is for APC under Buhari to rig the election in favour of your preferred Christian candidate as was done with our reverred President Obasanjo before the 1999 military handover. For you, this is to give Christians a sense of belonging in the dreamland Utopian State you would like to create in Nigeria. You can wait for the Sun to freeze over, my friend!

You are the one the one talking of rigging of election. Is that what you meant by incumbency factor? For your information, president Obasanjo won in 1999 because the northern power-brokers used their influence to get the majority to support and vote for him. So a ruling party cannot use their influence to make a southern Christian win the national election as president or a northern Christian as vp but they can do that for a Muslim/Muslim ticket? Is APC an Islamic party trying to make the country an Islamic caliphate?

FreedomfromtheT:
You are the one the one talking of rigging of election. Is that what you meant by incumbency factor? For your information, president Obasanjo won in 1999 because the northern power-brokers used their influence to get the majority to vote to support and vote for him. So a ruling party cannot use their influence to make a southern Christian win the national election as president or a northern Christian as vp but they can do that for a Muslim/Muslim ticket? Is APC an Islamic party trying to make the country an Islamic caliphate?

You must be the only one who doesn’t know that there’s something called rigging in Nigerian elections. Even foreigners are fully aware.
Check out the You Tube link below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cshSsYTFGDI

FreedomfromtheT:
You are the one the one talking of rigging of election. Is that what you meant by incumbency factor? For your information, president Obasanjo won in 1999 because the northern power-brokers used their influence to get the majority to support and vote for him. So a ruling party cannot use their influence to make a southern Christian win the national election as president or a northern Christian as vp but they can do that for a Muslim/Muslim ticket? Is APC an Islamic party trying to make the country an Islamic caliphate?

Even late Senator Mantu confessed participating in election rigging…..but you’re hearing the word ‘rigging’ in Nigeria for the first time!
Click Watch on You Tube!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KBW5h2L54k

shinealight:
Even late Senator Mantu confessed participating in election rigging…..but you’re hearing the word ‘rigging’ in Nigeria for the first time!
Click Watch on You Tube!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KBW5h2L54k

I'm not hearing that word for the first time. You are the one that brought out the word. You tried using different gimmicks to derail the discussion. In case you have forgotten, the discussion is about the anger of former speaker Yakubu Dogara and others on the contentous Muslim/Muslim ticket. You accused him and Babachir Lawal of wanting to be picked as VP and since they weren't, they are unhappy. You've tried rationalizing this ticket while claiming that a southern Christian cannot win a national election the way Nigeria is currently composed. When your error was brought out with historical evidence, you brought out the issues of your alleged rigging in the case of president Obasanjo and incumbency on the part of president Jonathan as factors that made those happen. When I asked if incumbency from the current APC led government cannot be used to help a southern Christian but a Muslim, you equated incumbency with rigging.

FreedomfromtheT:
I'm not hearing that word for the first time. You are the one that brought out the word. Yiu tried using different gimmicks to derail the discussion. In case you have forgotten, the discussion is about the anger of former speaker Yakubu Dogara and others on the contentous Muslim/Muslim ticket.

You’re not hearing it for the first time but you’re willing to stake your last kobo that it neither happened with Obasanjo in 1999 nor with Jonathan in 2011. Wouldn’t it be better if you just said ‘I don’t know’….rather than insisting that others are WRONG.
Enough said….this is not leading anywhere. You’re free to believe what you like and use your PVC as you please. It’s a free country!!

shinealight:
You’re not hearing it for the first time but you’re willing to stake your last kobo that it neither happened with Obasanjo in 1999 nor with Jonathan in 2011. Wouldn’t it be better if you just said ‘I don’t know’….rather than insistingD that others are WRONG.
Enough said….this is not leading anywhere. You’re free to believe what you like and use your PVC as you please. It’s a free country!!

YOU ARE WRONG to state that a southern Christian cannot win a national election the way Nigeria is currently composed. Politicians of all divides use a lot of gimmicks to emerge winners including northern Muslim candidates as well as the APC's southern Muslim presidential candidate you are supporting whose supporters have 'bought over INEC' and who are using intimidation to want to 'win' including the recent hired 'Bishops' saga. In my view, for you to continue using different lies and false assumptions to justify this obnoxious Muslim/Muslim ticket and the dangerous slide of a secular state into an Islamic caliphate, may God forbid, is not just ignorance but pure mischief. Once again, the 2023 presidential election can go any of the three ways. If Muslim/Muslim ticket sails through by hook or by crook, it doesn't make it right or a justified template. The end does not justify the means. Thank you.

FreedomfromtheT:
YOU ARE WRONG to state that a southern Christian cannot win a national election the way Nigeria is currently composed. Politicians of all divides use a lot of gimmicks to emerge winners including northern Muslim candidates as well as the APC's southern Muslim presidential candidate you are supporting whose supporters have 'bought over INEC' and who are using intimidation to want to 'win' including the recent hired 'Bishops' saga. In my view, for you to continue using different lies and false assumptions to justify this obnoxious Muslim/Muslim ticket and the dangerous slide of a secular state into an Islamic caliphate, may God forbid, is not just ignorance but pure mischief. Once again, the 2023 presidential election can go any of the three ways. If Muslim/Muslim ticket sails through by hook or by crook, it doesn't make it right or a justified template. The end does not justify the means. Thank you.

Chat again in Feb/Mar 2023 ….by which time you would have had enough time to lick your wounds (apologies to Jagaban)

shinealight:
Chat again in Feb/Mar 2023 ….by which time you would have had enough time to lick your wounds (apologies to Jagaban)

If the purpose of pursuing and supporting your obnoxious Muslim/Muslim ticket is to mock us, for Christians and those who detest injustice to lick (not our) wounds, you and your principal will fail in Jesus' name, Amen. God resists the proud but gives more grace to the humble. Affliction will never arise a second time. Power belongs to God. Many are the devices in a man's heart, but the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.

FreedomfromtheT:
If the purpose of pursuing and supporting your obnoxious Muslim/Muslim ticket is to mock us, for Christians and those who detest injustice to lick (not our) wounds, you and your principal will fail in Jesus' name, Amen. God resists the proud but gives more grace to the humble. Affliction will never arise a second time. Power belongs to God. Many are the devices in a man's heart, but the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.

Lolzzzzz!
When these ‘type of human beings’ find themselves lost for words or have reached the end of their tether, they soon resort to calling the Holy Name of Jesus….as if they ever knew Him in the first place. Very typical. Hwvr, the Lord is not mocked by their pretentious calling of His Name. You’ll do well to remember the Commandment handed to you through Moses…..Thou Shalt Not Call the Name of the Lord Thy God In Vain. Discuss politics if you must but leave the Names of the Holy Ones out of it, lest you burden yourself irredeemably. My two cents!!

shinealight:
Lolzzzzz!
When these ‘type of human beings’ find themselves lost for words or have reached the end of their tether, they soon resort to calling the Holy Name of Jesus….as if they ever knew Him in the first place. Very typical. Hwvr, the Lord is not mocked by their pretentious calling of His Name. You’ll do well to remember the Commandment handed to you through Moses…..Thou Shalt Not Call the Name of the Lord Thy God In Vain. Discuss politics if you must but leave the Names of the Holy Ones out of it, lest you burden yourself irredeemably. My two cents!!

Another wrong assumption. Well if I don't know Jesus by reason of repentance, salvation and redemption, may my prayers concerning the forthcoming 2023 presidential elections not be answered. But if I actually know Him experencially and I'm concerned with with the fate of the Christian faith and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ in this country Nigeria, may He answer me in Jesus' name, Amen. May those who claim to be Christians but who care little or nothing about what becomes of the Christian faith in this country but for 'the crumbs they hope to get from their Islamic masters' tables' be disappointed in the 2023 presidential election in Jesus' name, Amen.

FreedomfromtheT:
Another wrong assumption. Well if I don't know Jesus by reason of repentance, salvation and redemption, may my prayers concerning the forthcoming 2023 presidential elections not be answered. But if I actually know Him experencially and I'm concerned with with the fate of the Christian faith and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ in this country Nigeria, may He answer me in Jesus' name, Amen. May those who claim to be Christians but who care little or nothing about what becomes of the Christian faith in this country but for 'the crumbs they hope to get from their Islamic masters' tables' be disappointed in the 2023 presidential election in Jesus' name, Amen.

Yet another rubbish talk from your reservoir of ignorance. It is evident that you do not know Him at all. You should have placed a curse on yourself as to what should befall you if in “His Judgment” it turns out that you actually know Nothing of His True Nature and Essence.
Don’t worry, His Judgment on you will be swift and irrevocable. Forming empty religiosity to gain sympathy. Rubbish!

shinealight:
Yet another rubbish talk from your reservoir of ignorance. It is evident that you do not know Him at all. You should have placed a curse on yourself as to what should befall you if in “His Judgment” it turns out that you actually know Nothing of His True Nature and Essence.
Don’t worry, His Judgment on you will be swift and irrevocable. Forming empty religiosity to gain sympathy. Rubbish!

You don't know me yet you assume I don't know Jesus because I am against Muslim/Muslim ticket. Can you point to any statement I made since our argument that is against the character of a true Christian? But this is not about me. Let me not fall to someone's diversionary tactics. It is about the fate of Christians who are already endangered species under the present APC led federal government, how much more if the Muslim/Muslim ticket sails through. Yakubu Dogara and other Christians both from the North and South have condemned it and they are right in doing so.

FreedomfromtheT:
You don't know me yet you assume I don't know Jesus because I am against Muslim/Muslim ticket. Can you point to any statement I made since our argument that is against the character of a true Christian? But this is not about me. Let me not fall to someone's diversionary tactics. It is about the fate of Christians who are already endangered species under the present APC led federal government, how much more if the Muslim/Muslim ticket sails through. Yakubu Dogara and other Christians both from the North and South have condemned it and they are right in doing so.

By their fruits, yee shall know them! From the rubbish you have been spewing, which you call Prayer while invoking His Holy Name, it is evident that you know Nothing of His True Essence. Christ came for the salvation of the entire humanity (including the Moslems that you fail to see as your “Neighbours” whom He repeatedly admonished you to love and not to despise.
You need a lot of education before you can climb any pulpit here, my friend. You’re of course free to preach to the unenlightened crowd willing to listen to your sanctimonious gibberish!!

shinealight:
By their fruits, yee shall know them! From the rubbish you have been spewing, which you call Prayer while invoking His Holy Name, it is evident that you know Nothing of His True Essence. Christ came for the salvation of the entire humanity (including the Moslems that you fail to see as your “Neighbours” whom He repeatedly admonished you to love and not to despise.
You need a lot of education before you can climb any pulpit here, my friend. You’re of course free to preach to the unenlightened crowd willing to listen to your sanctimonious gibberish!!

You can continue with your false accusations and misrepresentations against me. I am least concerned. But I quite agree with you that Christ came for the salvation of the entire humanity including you. I am a preacher. I preach and pray for the salvation of everyone so that none will end up in eternal regrets just like my Saviour, Lord and Master practised and taught. By the grace of God, a lot of sinners - whether 'Christians', Muslims, traditionalists, atheists, agnoists etc will be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth before they die in Jesus' name, Amen. I don't hate anybody. I don't hate Moslems. Some of them are my very good friends and neighbours. "Whosever hates his brother (neighbour, fellow countryman) is a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him" (except he/she repents) - 1st John 3:15. My unapologetic passionate stand against the APC's Muslim/Muslim ticket in Nigeria's presidential election is never a display of hatred against Moslems. If anyone sees it like that, I have no apologies. If anybody expects me to accept to be a willing slave, a second class citizen in my own country and have my faith further endangered and my religious freedom limited, in the name of love for others, such a person must be joking. Thank you.

FreedomfromtheT:
You can continue with your false accusations and misrepresentations against me. I am least concerned. But I quite agree with you that Christ came for the salvation of the entire humanity including you. I am a preacher. I preach and pray for the salvation of everyone so that none will end up in eternal regrets just like my Saviour, Lord and Master practised and taught. By the grace of God, a lot of sinners - whether 'Christians', Muslims, traditionalists, atheists, agnoists etc will be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth before they die in Jesus' name, Amen. I don't hate anybody. I don't hate Moslems. Some of them are my very good friends and neighbours. "Whosever hates his brother (neighbour, fellow countryman) is a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him" (except he/she repents) - 1st John 3:15. My unapologetic passionate stand against the APC's Muslim/Muslim ticket in Nigeria's presidential election is never a display of hatred against Moslems. If anyone sees it like that, I have no apologies. If anybody expects me to accept to be a willing slave, a second class citizen in my own country and have my faith further endangered and my religious freedom limited, in the name of love for others, such a person must be joking. Thank you.

It is all well and good to be a preacher…as long as we preach only that which accords with the Will of the Almighty Creator.
Hwvr, we must all learn to fathom and understand His Will first, before we can begin to strive to live it!
We are told…”Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God”. One who preaches the tidings of a heavenly kingdom should not be seen among those promoting discord in society….all because it agrees with their narrow perception of things which do not always agree with an all-embracing Peace among all humans striving for salvation within the Will of the Creator.
Yet we say, we’re praying for the salvation of everyone (including those whose views, for the time being, are not in consonance with ours?!)

Now tell us, have you also spoken so vociferously about Male-Male tickets? That does not raise an eye-brow because it’s been going on for so long, it’s now regarded as a norm. Should a female Activist/Preacher also rise up and say she’s fighting to entrench and preserve the Will of the Creator in society? There are actually more of the female gender in most societies (as willed by the Creator), yet we as men, take them for granted and treat them as second-class citizens.
All the presidential flagbearers are fielding fellow Males as their running mates…whatever happened to Male-Female or even Female-Male tickets?
In the US for instance, Joe Biden chose Kamala Harris as VP, not because he disliked others of the male gender but simply because the Female can be equally competent and dependable to get the job done, just as any male, perhaps even better!
Therefore, all the hullabaloo about Muslim-Muslim ticket is just political noise-making. The fellow has a wife to whom married for over 40 years (who is also a Pastor), yet they accuse him of sidelining Christians and of having an Islamic Republic agenda. Has he attempted to islamise his wife and family over the years?
To any fair-minded person, this is merely a choice which in his calculation could give him a slight advantage among his supporters who happen to be mostly Moslems (is there anything wrong in that? Don’t they all weigh and capitalise on their advantages?)….He could also have picked a Female or even an Atheist, if it could give additional advantage. Not a question of agenda to create Islamic State!
To accuse others falsely is also a violation of the expressed Will of the Creator!
So, my submission is that the premise of your attack on Muslim-Muslim ticket is questionable, biased and totally illogical. Thank you!

shinealight:
It is all well and good to be a preacher…as long as we preach only that which accords with the Will of the Almighty Creator.
Hwvr, we must all learn to fathom and understand His Will first, before we can begin to strive to live it!
We are told…”Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God”. One who preaches the tidings of a heavenly kingdom should not be seen among those promoting discord in society….all because it agrees with their narrow perception of things which do not always agree with an all-embracing Peace among all humans striving for salvation within the Will of the Creator.
Yet we say, we’re praying for the salvation of everyone (including those whose views, for the time being, are not in consonance with ours?!)

Now tell us, have you also spoken so vociferously about Male-Male tickets? That does not raise an eye-brow because it’s been going on for so long, it’s now regarded as a norm. Should a female Activist/Preacher also rise up and say she’s fighting to entrench and preserve the Will of the Creator in society? There are actually more of the female gender in most societies (as willed by the Creator), yet we as men, take them for granted and treat them as second-class citizens.
All the presidential flagbearers are fielding fellow Males as their running mates…whatever happened to Male-Female or even Female-Male tickets?
In the US for instance, Joe Biden chose Kamala Harris as VP, not because he disliked others of the male gender but simply because the Female can be equally competent and dependable to get the job done, just as any male, perhaps even better!
Therefore, all the hullabaloo about Muslim-Muslim ticket is just political noise-making. The fellow has a wife to whom married for over 40 years (who is also a Pastor), yet they accuse him of sidelining Christians and of having an Islamic Republic agenda. Has he attempted to islamise his wife and family over the years?
To any fair-minded person, this is merely a choice which in his calculation could give him a slight advantage among his supporters who happen to be mostly Moslems (is there anything wrong in that? Don’t they all weigh and capitalise on their advantages?)….He could also have picked a Female or even an Atheist, if it could give additional advantage. Not a question of agenda to create Islamic State!
To accuse others falsely is also a violation of the expressed Will of the Creator!
So, my submission is that the premise of your attack on Muslim-Muslim ticket is questionable, biased and totally illogical. Thank you!

The smear campaign, false accusation and propaganda continues. But it doesn't move me. It appears you are one of the paid propaganda agents of the APC especially on this contentious Muslim/Muslim ticket. My vorifecious stand against the Muslim/Muslim ticket doesn't make me a trouble maker. I have never advocated for hate or violence against any Muslim, APC member or any so called Christian supporting the suppression of the Christian faith in Nigeria for 'a morsel of bread' neither will I do. I am a peace maker and I will continue to be. It is obvious that you are more interested in your party, the APC winning elections due to religious sentiments, tribalism, for what you intend to personally gain or for whatever reason more than the interest of the already endangered Christian faith in Nigeria. I have nothing personal against the APC presidential candidate. He might not like the idea of a Muslim/Muslim ticket since he knows it is offensive to majority of people of the Christian faith but I see him as someone who is so desperate to become president that he would rather please the northern Islamic religious supremacists than care about how Christians feel. That he is married to a 'Christian' wife (who is also a 'pastor') for whatever number of years is neither here nor there. I learnt that he has been eyeing the presidency for a long while. Knowing he is a Southern Muslim and knowing the attitude of Northern Muslims to both Southern Muslims and their own northern Christian neighbours and that he who would most probably go the Abiola way (which he has actually done), who knows, he might just allow his wife to be attending a popular church and even get ordained as a 'pastor' for publicity. Is it not his 'pastor' wife that rebuked senator Smart Adeyemi for speaking out against insecurity in Nigeria asking if he is a 'wolf in sheep's clothing'? In order to curry the favour of the incumbent should a genuine Christian pretend that all is well and intimidate anyone who is sincere and courageous enough to ask for something to be done for Nigerians' lives to be secure? Is her ambition to become president's wife more important than the lives of Nigerians? Is that a 'Christian' behaviour? There is virtually no trick politicians cannot play to sway the minds of people in their direction. Mine is not a case of false accusation against anyone but a cautious approach. Most of the places where Christianity thrived in the past have been overtaken by Islam or atheism due to perhaps complacency or it doesn't matter attitude on the part of the Christians there. That must not happen here. I don't care if I am misunderstood, if my stand is 'questionable' 'biased', or 'illogical' to supporters of the Muslim/Muslim ticket. I wonder how many Muslims in Nigeria would support a Christian/Christian ticket for the presidency just for their party to win. Anyone who cannot stand for something can fall for anything. Prevention they, say is better than cure. Thank you.