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MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, your deep thinking really touched my heart! How i hope you find through faith!

You won't succeed in converting him to JW. So no need faking sincerity.

advanceDNA:
what point are you making in relation to my comment you mentioned ....cos i dont get it...

The man sinned against state he was a theif..he hurt his fellow man...

.in respect to God.. he was also not righteous ...but jesus saw the heart of the theif that he truly repented at that point......jesus handled his afterlife destination....its has nothing to do with state laws or if he ought to be released ....

Again i dont get your point...

Think of the highlighted then meditate on the topic of discussion:

Can YOU as a CHRISTIAN FORGIVE REPENTANT Boko Haram members and bandits?

According to your comment this has nothing to do with whatever the state say, it is directed to you an in YOU!

MaxInDHouse:
Think of the highlighted then meditate on the topic of discussion:

Can YOU as a CHRISTIAN FORGIVE REPENTANT Boko Haram members and bandits?

According to your comment this has nothing to do with whatever the state say, it is directed to you an in YOU!

I have answered that already....what is your point ??

Templee333:
You won't succeed in converting him to JW. So no need faking sincerity.

How quickly you jumped in to judge yourself?

So you mean JWs are the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught, shey?

Thank you.

Well that's exactly the topic of our Watchtower study article for today as we all studied it globally as one family!

Templee333:
You won't succeed in converting him to JW. So no need faking sincerity.

what is your problem with what he said? JW are more sincere than Pentecostals. at least they try to answer questions with their brains and they are more honest. they dont join the military (good Christians would never join the military) and they dont meddle in politics. Pentecostals are nothing but liars and posers.

HardMirror:
trust is another matter. can you forgive is what we are talking about?

There is nothing to forgive.

HardMirror:
even you yourself are not trustworthy. as far as i am concerned,...

Change of Post!

advanceDNA:
I have answered that already....what is your point ??

My point is you don't have to refer the OP to the state since the question is directed to you as one of those following the footsteps of Christ Jesus.
Note that he said "there was a time when being a Christian is a crime" so if you were alive then how will you feel when your neighbour reported you to the state for commiting a CRIME against the state for being a Christian?

So answer for yourself and leave the state since they're not following the mindset of Christ to whom you're a disciple! 1Corinthians 2:16

HardMirror:
what is your problem with what he said? JW are more sincere than Pentecostals. at least they try to answer questions with their brains and they are more honest. they dont join the military (good Christians would never join the military) and they dont meddle in politics. Pentecostals are nothing but liars and posers.

MaxInDHouse knows what my problem with him is. He's fled frm the questions i asked him after several dodgings. He is more interested in recruiting members.

Templee333:
MaxInDHouse knows what my problem with him is. He's fled frm the questions i asked him after several dodgings. He is more interested in recruiting members.

Exactly my point. He is a better Christian than you. Are you not also supposed to be more interested in recruiting people to your cult? is that not the instruction Jesus gave you? Night and day you should be working hard to get muslims, atheist and all unbelievers to become believers.

Templee333:
MaxInDHouse knows what my problem with him is. He's fled frm the questions i asked him after several dodgings. He is more interested in recruiting members.

If you ask questions relating to faith of course no JW will turn away but when you have nothing tangible to ask don't expect true disciples of Christ to waste our precious time with you!

HardMirror:
you are confused or a dishonest human being. so you pretend that you dont know you should forgive, especially if the offender says he is sorry. if repentant boko haram members says they are sorry, you must forgive them. simple

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Did I state anything contrary? Do you understand what I was trying to communicate? Please read, re-read, pray and understand... and may the peace of the Lord YESHUA, the CHRIST be upon you.

"O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep. A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this." - Psalm 92:5-6

HardMirror:
Exactly my point. He is a better Christian than you. Are you not also supposed to be more interested in recruiting people to your cult? is that not the instruction Jesus gave you? Night and day you should be working hard to get muslims, atheist and all unbelievers to become believers.

They don't know what being a Christian means they taught it's just by going to church to pray for their selfish cravings!

MaxInDHouse:
My point is you don't have to refer the OP to the state since the question is directed to you as one of those following the footsteps of Christ Jesus.
Note that he said "there was a time when being a Christian is a crime" so if you were alive then how will you feel when your neighbour reported you to the state for commiting a CRIME against the state for being a Christian?

So answer for yourself and leave the state since they're not following the mindset of Christ to whom you're a disciple! 1Corinthians 2:16

You are a jehovah witness right.??..and i know you have been told by your organization you are the only that is right and following God while others are not....

but u dont have to be annoying about it by telling me how exactly i should speak or address a point...u JWs never get tired of trying to be the only right people....its irritating..


By the way...it was never a crime against state laws to be a christain...some people (scribes and pharasees) only persecuted christains for selfish reasons and lied to the roman goverment..same thing they did to jesus and pilate never found jesus guilty of anything

..the stoning of stephen or killing of other christains is not the law of the land ....its a mob attack like muslims behave in the name of blasphemy.....

And if it happened now...its called persecution..christ already said it will happen..
I wont feel any different..but to pray about it..

advanceDNA:
You are a jehovah witness right.??..and i know you have been told by your organization you are the only that is right and following God while others are not....

but u dont have to be annoying about it by telling me how exactly i should speak or address a point...u JWs never get tired of trying to be the only right people....its irritating..


By the way...it was never a crime against state laws to be a christain...some people (scribes and pharasees) only persecuted christains for selfish reasons and lied to the roman goverment..same thing they did to jesus and pilate never found jesus guilty of anything

..the stoning of stephen or killing of other christains is not the law of the land ....its a mob attack like muslims behave in the name of blasphemy.....

And if it happened now...its called persecution..christ already said it will happen..
I wont feel any different..but to pray about it..

“We strictly ordered you not to keep teaching on the basis of this name, and yet look! you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you are determined to bring the blood of this man upon us.” In answer Peter and the other apostles said: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men" Act 5:28-29
Jesus was arrested and handed over to the Roman authorities by the RULERS of Jewish community. Matthew 27:1-2
So do you think it's a crime preaching and teaching what he said in the same community or not? Act 4:18; 5:28

MaxInDHouse:
“We strictly ordered you not to keep teaching on the basis of this name, and yet look! you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you are determined to bring the blood of this man upon us.” In answer Peter and the other apostles said: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men" Act 5:28-29
Jesus was arrested and handed over to the Roman authorities by the RULERS of Jewish community. Matthew 27:1-2
So do you think it's a crime preaching and teaching what he said in the same community or not? Act 4:18; 5:28

Its not a crime to preach....The text in red was not mentioned by state laws but by ordinary men: jewish pharasees and scribes whose religious position was threatened by the miracles and preaching of the disciples....

when they handed jesus to the roman goverment....did they find him guilty of anything.?? No

Also, Peter clearly answered them that he will not obey men..was peter goimg againat any state law.......what is your point here...??

In saudi and Iran ..u cant openly preach he gospel or knock peoples doors..or even dare share gospel tract in the open....christians live there ..they still preach..they obey the lord jesus christ

.but do it within he confines of the law of state....jesus never antagonized state law.... .the disciples never did too...

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advanceDNA:
Its not a crime to preach....The text in red was not mentioned by state laws but by ordinary men: jewish pharasees and scribes whose religious position was threatened by the miracles and preaching of the disciples....
when they handed jesus to the roman goverment....did they find him guilty of anything.?? No
Also, Peter clearly answered them that he will not obey men..was peter goimg againat any state law.......what is your point here...??
In saudi and Iran ..u cant openly preach he gospel or knock peoples doors..or even dare share gospel tract in the open....christians live there ..they still preach..they obey the lord jesus christ
.but do it within he confines of the law of state....jesus never antagonized state law.... .the disciples never did too...

Ọmọ if those men aren't the rulers of their community Pilate would have released Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if those men aren't the rulers of their community Pilate would have released Jesus!

Where you jump to now ??

advanceDNA:
Where you jump to now ??

They said to Pilate:
The Jews answered him: “We have a law, and according to the law he ought to die, because he made himself God’s son". Act 19:7
So according to what the JEWS said, is it a crime to be a Christian in that community or not?
Remember that Christians will preach in Jesus name claiming that he is the Son of God, the same offence leveled against him! Act 4:18; 5:28

MaxInDHouse:
They said to Pilate:
The Jews answered him: “We have a law, and according to the law he ought to die, because he made himself God’s son". Act 19:7
So according to what the JEWS said, is it a crime to be a Christian in that community or not?
Remember that Christians will preach in Jesus name claiming that he is the Son of God, the same offence leveled against him! Act 4:18; 5:28

U know the problem u have...u like being right all the time....

The scribes and pharasees are no different from the muslims of today...they claim they have a law.. just like the law of the pharasees..
..its not the law of nigeria ....

..still ...they use it to kill...they have used it to kill many people in nigeria ..they even drag the goverment into it many times...... does it mean blasphemy is an actual crime in nigeria.??

advanceDNA:
U know the problem u have...u like being right all the time....

The scribes and pharasees are no different from the muslims of today...they claim they have a law.. just like the law of the pharasees..
..its not the law of nigeria ....

..still ...they use it to kill...they have used it to kill many people in nigeria ..they even drag the goverment into it many times...... does it mean blasphemy is an actual crime in nigeria.??

the bolded is the same proble you also have.

you are talking as if state laws are not made by human beings.

you as a christian, should you not be more interested in seeing laws that aligns with what your god commands? that is where we would still end up on this road of arguement. who are the majority in Nigeria today are they not muslms and christians? you as a christian what would you say to other christians regarding this topic of forgiveness, what would you advise to unbelievers? i dont care bout all the beating about the bush you are doing. you are just trying to be half smart

advanceDNA:
U know the problem u have...u like being right all the time....
The scribes and pharasees are no different from the muslims of today...they claim they have a law.. just like the law of the pharasees..
..its not the law of nigeria ....
..still ...they use it to kill...they have used it to kill many people in nigeria ..they even drag the goverment into it many times...... does it mean blasphemy is an actual crime in nigeria.??

In the north blasphemy is a crime because of their tradition there but here in the south it's not. Just as it was in Jesus' days Israel is one country but the Samaritans don't believe what Jew teaches so what is a crime in the Southern part of Israel (Judah) is nothing in the Northern part of Israel (Samaria)
That's what the OP meant when he said "there was a time that being a Christian is a crime" if you carefully read the Act of Apostles you will notice that it was only Jews that were attacking the Christians, Samaritans don't see any need for this attack.
So when God's judgment came upon the Jews Jerusalem and it's temple was destroyed for their crime against God and his servants.
But the truth is that there was a time when being a Christian was a crime in no other place but Jesus' home land: the Jewish community!

HardMirror:
the bolded is the same proble you also have.

you are talking as if state laws are not made by human beings.

you as a christian, should you not be more interested in seeing laws that aligns with what your god commands? that is where we would still end up on this road of arguement. who are the majority in Nigeria today are they not muslms and christians? you as a christian what would you say to other christians regarding this topic of forgiveness, what would you advise to unbelievers? i dont care bout all the beating about the bush you are doing. you are just trying to be half smart

State law is made by humans buy not to favour one human or based on one humans feelings...

I answered already....forgiveness is a personal issue....i have said i would forgive if someone asks for my forgiveness for doing me wrong.....

forgiveness is also a God matter for where the person will spend his eternity after life...


The state is different from me or other individual..
state law is not based on your feelimg or my feelings or my religious belief...
.its action and reaction...the state cannot and should not adopt forgiveness laws because crime will escalate since people can use it to escape physical punishment ....

MaxInDHouse:
In the north blasphemy is a crime because of their tradition there but here in the south it's not. Just as it was in Jesus' days Israel is one country but the Samaritans don't believe what Jew teaches so what is a crime in the Southern part of Israel (Judah) is nothing in the Northern part of Israel (Samaria)
That's what the OP meant when he said "there was a time that being a Christian is a crime" if you carefully read the Act of Apostles you will notice that it was only Jews that were attacking the Christians, Samaritans don't see any need for this attack.
So when God's judgment came upon the Jews Jerusalem and it's temple was destroyed for their crime against God and his servants.
But the truth is that there was a time when being a Christian was a crime in no other place but Jesus' home land: the Jewish community!

In the north blasphemy is not a crime....its the religious mob that take laws into their hands just like they did to stephen and Jesus...

..democratic laws holds in the north just like everywhere else in nigeria ...

advanceDNA:
State law is made by humans buy not to favour one human or based on one humans feelings...

I answered already....forgiveness is a personal issue....i have said i would forgive if someone asks for my forgiveness for doing me wrong.....

forgiveness is also a God matter for where the person will spend his eternity after life...


The state is different from me or other individual..
state law is not based on your feelimg or my feelings or my religious belief...
.its action and reaction...the state cannot and should not adopt forgiveness laws because crime will escalate since people can use it to escape physical punishment ....

good. and since Nigeria as a state has decided to forgive the terrorists, why are you Christians still complaining?

advanceDNA:
In the north blasphemy is not a crime....its the religious mob that take laws into their hands just like they did to stephen and Jesus...

..democratic laws holds in the north just like everywhere else in nigeria ...

is sharia law not effective in the north anymore? your dishonesty will only push you into a pit you cant climb out of

advanceDNA:
In the north blasphemy is not a crime....its the religious mob that take laws into their hands just like they did to stephen and Jesus...

..democratic laws holds in the north just like everywhere else in nigeria ...

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/521971-blasphemy-kano-court-sentences-atheist-to-24-years-in-prison.html#:~:text=Blasphemy%3A%20Kano%20court%20sentences%20atheist%20to%2024%20years%20in%20prison


this is a man sentenced to 24years imprisonment in Kano this year (2022) stop bending the truth

HardMirror:
good. and since Nigeria as a state has decided to forgive the terrorists, why are you Christians still complaining?

Are u a nigerian at all ?? Or u just like capping....Its not in the constitution ..there is no such thing as a forgiveness for murdering, killing and raping in the democratic or even islamic laws....why do you think people are not happy with buhari..??

..buhari is just using is extremist ideology to keep jihad soldiers active....cant u tell the difference between laws and selfish interst??

...there are some bokoharams in prison before behuri came to power ...tried and awaiting death penalty that was released from kuje weeks back naa .

HardMirror:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/521971-blasphemy-kano-court-sentences-atheist-to-24-years-in-prison.html#:~:text=Blasphemy%3A%20Kano%20court%20sentences%20atheist%20to%2024%20years%20in%20prison


this is a man sentenced to 24years imprisonment in Kano this year (2022) stop bending the truth

This is what we (JWs) do experience in the hands of misinformed Churchgoers.
So i'm no longer arguing with him because he already knows he's wrong but doesn't want to admit.

advanceDNA:
Are u a nigerian at all ?? Or u just like capping....Its not in the constitution ..there is no such thing as a forgiveness for murdering, killing and raping in the democratic or even islamic laws....why do you think people are not happy with buhari..??

..buhari is just using is extremist ideology to keep jihad soldiers active....cant u tell the difference between laws and selfish interst??

...there are some bokoharams in prison before behuri came to power ...tried and awaiting death penalty that was released from kuje weeks back naa .

you are talking nonsense. the constitution allows the federal government to pardon anyone they want. what they are doing is constitutional

HardMirror:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/521971-blasphemy-kano-court-sentences-atheist-to-24-years-in-prison.html#:~:text=Blasphemy%3A%20Kano%20court%20sentences%20atheist%20to%2024%20years%20in%20prison


this is a man sentenced to 24years imprisonment in Kano this year (2022) stop bending the truth

I am not bending the truth...i know the constitution and blasphemy is not a criminal offence any where in this contry's democratic laws....what happened in the north is corruption of justice just like buhari introduced repantant bokoharam

HardMirror:
is sharia law not effective in the north anymore? your dishonesty will only push you into a pit you cant climb out of

Dishonesty??
Its like you are taking yourself to be an important person....i dont even know you...we are just having random dialogue and u arw accusing me of dishonesty..for what.?? Are we gaining money from this talk or being paid money by Nairaland for who has best point..??
Please clear off jare

advanceDNA:
I am not bending the truth...i know the constitution and blasphemy is not a criminal offence any where in this contry's democratic laws....what happened in the north is corruption of justice just like buhari introduced repantant bokoharam

sharia law is constitutional and State pardon is constitutional too. if you dont agree.

I hope you are beginning to realize that the rubbish of you defending state laws is backfiring on you. you thought you could hide under state laws to punish people you dont like, unfortunately for you, the state laws will be used to destroy silly believers like you.