₦airaland Forum

HardMirror:
you are talking nonsense. the constitution allows the federal government to pardon anyone they want. what they are doing is constitutional

The constitution doesn not exempt people from proper trial....u are the one talking nonsensé

advanceDNA:
Dishonesty??
Its like you are taking yourself to be an important person....i dont even know you...we are just having random dialogue and u arw accusing me of dishonesty..for what.?? Are we gaining money from this talk or being paid money by Nairaland for who has best point..??
Please clear off jare

baba. i am not important. na you be chairman. you are a dishonest human being. you keep skipping the obvious truths. how can you say blasphemy is not an offense in the north when you know sharia law is constitutional and in effect in the north?

If you say you are not dishonest, then it means you are ignorant. so which is it?

advanceDNA:
The constitution doesn not exempt people from proper trial....u are the one talking nonsensé

keeping ranting here. it does nt change the fact that thousands of boko haram members have been released and due process was followed according to the nigerian law provisions. that is why no one is able to challenge the FG on this matter.

HardMirror:
sharia law is constitutional and State pardon is constitutional too. if you dont agree.

I hope you are beginning to realize that the rubbish of you defending state laws is backfiring on you. you thought you could hide under state laws to punish people you dont like, unfortunately for you, the state laws will be used to destroy silly believers like you.

What is this one saying...
The state law can do whatever it likes for all i care...its not today laws are passed that is against my faith....
In the US...homosexuality is legal....will i as fight the government for it....its like you dont even know what you are saying ....

If the government passes any law for or against me ..its is my duty to practice my religion within the confines of the law....

There are christains in saudi...they preach the gospel within the confines of the law....no big deal....

There are muslims in uK...they celebrate their muslims holiday within the confines of the law despite their holidays are not recognized officially...there are state laws everywhere

Religion is parallel

HardMirror:
keeping ranting here. it does nt change the fact that thousands of boko haram members have been released and due process was followed according to the nigerian law provisions. that is why no one is able to challenge the FG on this matter.

What exactly is your point...because i dont get you still...
First u asked me if i will forgive...
Now u accuse me if dishonesty
We have a biased goverment...that doesnt mean citizens shouldnt go about their business and religion within the confnes of the law...

If repentant bokoharm were a law...all bokoharam in prison would have been released officially ....i am tired of dialoguimg with you because u are just here for mockery...

HardMirror:
so why are Nigerian Christians not forgiving. They always want death sentence for almost any offense

True which is bad

HardMirror:
so why are Nigerian Christians not forgiving. They always want death sentence for almost any offense

When Jesus Christ forgave the man did that man the man's death sentence for crimes committed was also to be rescinded?

HardMirror:
this is nothing but an excuse to do what you really want to do. you don't believe in your god. God is just a convenient excuse for you when it suits you and to be discarded when his laws and instructions to you are not favorable. why don't you leave unbelievers to execute them, while you trust god and forgive as he as asked you to do? If you uphold the law so much, why do you Christians complain when the law does not favor you? what if there is a law that all Christians should be killed (as it was in ancient times). you Christians would just be capping rubbish. Very dishonest, useless people

This is commonsense, not an excuse. Forgiveness that pertains to the Kingdom of God in no way absolves an offender of punishment for crimes committed. No where in the teachings of Jesus Christ is it written to be so. So you ask a meaningless question here.

I ofcourse forgive all including those who commit murder but I have no right to demand that the law not punish said individuals for crimes committed particularly where others are affected. That would amount to imposing my will and belief on others, something I have no right or permission to do don't, don't you see.

HardMirror:
if someone kills your family and the police has not arrested him and he asks you for forgiveness. will you still forgive and let the matter die instead of taking it to the police

So a family member is dead and you, a witness, will not reveal the identity of the killer because you have forgiven the killer? Is that how you reason these things?

You think because the murder is forgiven by you means the police should not hear of what happened and the murderer should be allowed to walk scot free?

Kobojunkie:
This is commonsense, not an excuse. Forgiveness that pertains to the Kingdom of God in no way absolves an offender of punishment for crimes committed. No where in the teachings of Jesus Christ is it written to be so. So you ask a meaningless question here.

I ofcourse forgive all including those who commit murder but I have no right to demand that the law not punish said individuals for crimes committed particular where others are affected. That would amount to imposing my belief on others, don't you see.

Dont waste your time..the guy is an atheist trying to mock followers of God/christ and the commandment or doctrine of forgiveness....

Kobojunkie:
When Jesus Christ forgave the man did that man the man's death sentence for crimes committed was also to be rescinded?

This is a very good question. The man still died for his sins. But this is totally different from the case of forgiveness. his judgement was in the hands of unbelievers, it was not the followers of jesus that killed the man. same thing here in nigeria or anywhere for that matter, unbelievers can choose to execute people if they like, that is why i am not asking unbelievers if they can forgive, i am dirrecting my question to christians that were directly instructed to forgive. in fact Jesus said you should NEVER take anyone to court if they cheat you, just let it go. so leave unbelievers out of this, let them do as they like, but Christians should learn to forgive as jesus has instructed them.

advanceDNA:
Dont waste your time..the guy is an atheist trying to mock followers of God/christ and the commandment or doctrine of forgiveness....

the joke is on you guys. funny how you guys work hard to bybass simple instructions of your god. only stupid people would not see how you guys are labouring to make excuses

Israeldan1:
True which is bad

problem is people who claim they respect god and follow him, also think they know better than god. They will try and twist, interpret and gaslight the scriptures to suite what they want. It is nothing but a joke to me when i see people say they obey god or fear god. It is never true.

HardMirror:
1. This is a very good question. The man still died for his sins. But this is totally different from the case of forgiveness. his judgement was in the hands of unbelievers, it was not the followers of jesus that killed the man. same thing here in nigeria or anywhere for that matter, unbelievers can choose to execute people if they like, that is why i am not asking unbelievers if they can forgive, i am dirrecting my question to christians that were directly instructed to forgive.

2. in fact Jesus said you should NEVER take anyone to court if they cheat you, just let it go. so leave unbelievers out of this, let them do as they like, but Christians should learn to forgive as jesus has instructed them.

1. The government of the world is not in the hands of those who are followers of Jesus Christ. Instead, it is left in the hands of those who are not Christians.

A Christian is meant to forgive in order that God would forgive them their sins in return. It is not to the benefit of the one who errs nor is it to absolve that one in some way of consequences of crimes committed.

2. Where exactly did Jesus Christ state that which you claim there so we visit the claim in context abeg!

Kobojunkie:
1. The government of the world is not in the hands of those who are followers of Jesus Christ. Instead, it is left in the hands of those who are not Christians.

2. Where exactly did Jesus Christ state that which you claim there so we visit the claim in context abeg!

go back to page one. your fellow christains have provided enough scriptures, or you dont read your bible? abeg don't ask me silly questions because you don't know what else to say

HardMirror:
the joke is on you guys. funny how you guys work hard to bybass simple instructions of your god. only stupid people would not see how you guys are labouring to make excuses

You are an athiest...you dont know the commandment of God....even if you do...you mind is too dark to understand or interpret it t


Thats why youve been spilling nonsense all day....
there are more sensible atheist that open mind engaging topics.....u are the scum of the earth atheist that cant even use your so called non-religious shackled mind to reason

A waste of free mind....

advanceDNA:
You are an athiest...you dont know the commandment of God....even if you do...you mind is too dark to understand or interpret it t


Thats why youve been spilling nonsense all day....
there are more sensible atheist that open mind engaging topics.....u are the scum of the earth atheist that cant even use your so called non-religious shackled mind to reason

A waste of free mind....

hehehehe. I hear you. everything i am saying here is what many Christians preach and accept as scriptural truth. I gues you will call them atheists too because they agree with the teaching of forgiveness in the scripture.

HardMirror:
go back to page one. your fellow christains have provided enough scriptures, or you dont read your bible? abeg don't ask me silly questions because you don't know what else to say

None of the scriptures I read there on page 1 states what you claim in this case hence the reason why I ask that you point out the exact reference so I can be sure of what you mean..

A Christian is meant to forgive in order that God would forgive them their sins in return. It is not to the benefit of the one who errs nor is it to absolve that one in some way of consequences of crimes committed.

HardMirror:
hehehehe. I hear you. everything i am saying here is what many Christians preach and accept as scriptural truth. I gues you will call them atheists too because they agree with the teaching of forgiveness in the scripture.

Any christian that agrees with your nonsense is also on the same level with you...a waste of free mind and a waste of lighted mind....

HardMirror:
you are talking nonsense. the constitution allows the federal government to pardon anyone they want. what they are doing is constitutional

HardMirror:
keeping ranting here. it does nt change the fact that thousands of boko haram members have been released and due process was followed according to the nigerian law provisions. that is why no one is able to challenge the FG on this matter.

This is true when talking about a government that's seeking appraisal from their subjects though it doesn't sound well to most people who have been hurt one way or another by the culprits but when the government feels that releasing a culprit will make their subjects look onto them with eyes of approval they will do it.
In the year 1983-1985 the military Government of Muhammadu Buhari and Babatunde Idiagbon lost the approval of Nigerians not due to being bad but because of their rigidity on what they're doing to cleanse Nigeria. They made it clear to Nigerians that drug dealers must be sentenced to death but when some Nigerians were caught and their people begged this government not to kill them this military government insisted on their own decree by killing all those drug dealers, but drug dealing continued and many were arrested awaiting execution, that was the time Ibrahim Babangida removed that government and there was jubilation throughout Nigeria that the strict dictators has been ousted.

It is also WRITTEN in the Bible:

Now from festival to festival, it was the custom of the governor to release a prisoner to the crowd, whomever they wanted. Matthew 27:15

So releasing prisoners to their people is a long time custom that can't be denied!