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Cantonese:
6. That Atiku had promised give him the vice presidency.

7. That the party raised a panel to consider three candidates. Nyesom Wike was chosen above Okowa and Udom.

8. That Atiku ignored the decision of the panel to pick Okowa, without as little as offering him a reason.

9. That Atiku continues to ignore him.

I hope you can see the matters.

I don't think that the vice president's slot is one of Wike's grievances. You can check out the evidence from the link.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX02ZOJ8ty4

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[quote author= post=115366510]With new electoral law governors and party leaders can only do little to influence voters, gone are those day they send their thugs to hijack ballot boxes or rewrite result or buying PVCs, you will be seeing the outcome direct from the polling units, Osun elections Tinubu and his lieutenants and the governor with all the financial inducements couldn't save APC in Osun, in Anambra Andy Ubah bought seating senator from PDP, national assembly members in APGA and PDP, he bought APGA campaign director and other APGA party chieftains, he shared10k at the he was third position, PDP would have won Ekiti election if they have given their ticket to popular candidate, 2023 elections will surprise many of you governors or heavyweight politicians are now valueless.[/quote]Top political figures influence voters. You can't deny this fact. In my zone, I've met some youths who are "BATIFIED" only because Omo-agege is gunning for a gubernatorial seat. Obviously he is the reigning figure and even though he can't 100% deliver, he will definitely pull huge amount of voters to his party.

I personally know two that are on this forum. So to some extent, IgOga is right.

Shikamaru1:
You write ignorantly. Do you know how elections are won in rivers state, sometimes I come on the internet and i read illinformed pieces from political neophytes. Wike has a strong grassroot machinery in rivers state he established in 2013, the GDI(Grassroot Development Initiative) . Campaign is already in full gear and Atiku has never featured in their campaign attires, they've held rallies in numerous local government in rivers state, most of the heavy weights politicians in APC decamped to PDP cos they know it's almost impossible to defeat him.

Back to the primaries, those names you mentioned never funded and labored for their parties from 2015 till date so it was easy for them to move on when they lost in the primaries. Most of you hypocrites will do worse if you labored for a cause and you are being sidelined when it's time to reap the rewards if your hard work....

You can write you crap from now till tomorrow, the man is not alone, he has loyal lieutenants in the North, East, west and South. If he decides to work against Atiku, Atiku will fail woefully. No Kano as kwankwaso who is his ally will never work for Atiku, no yobe and borno for Atiku, no Rivers, no Lagos. Atiku's blood pressure must be very high with the recent developments..

And you should be smart enough to know that Atiku's presence in Osun had nothing to do with Adelekes victory..he was going to win regardless..

Am from Rivers, Abua. Ok from your views about GDI which to me is localized in Rivers. We are talking about National election which will never be determined by GDI. To me, if Atiku lost the election which I feel it's obvious it will be Wike disadvantage. First he can only walk against the PDP but it will be suicidal for a defection to APC.

What will happen to his stooge governor?

The LGA Chairmen?
The HoA nko?

If Wike is wise he should work more with Atiku because his political career is getting to an end very soon. Probably much earlier than May 2023.

Why do I feel so? Check since Adah George, Odili, Amaechi there has been some form political graduation. It's only in Wike's era no credible person that will succeed him apart from his Accountant that he wants to plant in the state.
In other words he needs PDP more than ever.
Believe it or not as at today Atiku is the number one leader in PDP. Why because he is the Presidential candidate of the party. And as a loyal party man of which I know he is very sensible I see Wike working for Atiku.
It will be more beneficial for him.

Shikamaru1:
There are two blocks in PDP, if Atiku is really keen on winning, he should cede some key positions to the Wike bloc. So far, he ostracized the other blocs, it's beyond wike, there are rumors that they shared key government positions among themselves already, leaving out the governors, former governors and ministers in wike's camp.

They should share it equally Na.

In fact, these people self! Sharing offices without election. All these politicians are killing us.

Shikamaru1:
You don't know that politics is about interest, Atiku's emergence reduces kwankwaso chances of becoming a president, it's beyond the brother thing, during the primaries Kano delegates voted for Wike, all 44 Kano delegates, kwankwaso is still in control of the Kano PDP structure, why didn't he ask them to vote for Atiku. That's why he said he will support Tinubu...

I don't believe this. I did not see where he said he will support Tinubu but let's wait till the election day. But fear the Northerners.

[quote author= post=115366708]APC will lose 2023 know that now and have peace[/quote]
This is not a religious wishes or miracle service. It is a game of numbers......As of today if presidential elections are held in Nigeria APC will win at first ballot.

This may change in the coming weeks but shouting APC will loose doesn't translate to numbers...... Obi knows this and Atiku knows this too....The shout of muslim/muslim ticket by some members of CAN and the media tells you that the opposition knows who will likely win today. I am sure If Sowore choose a fellow christian nobody would care cos he is not likely to win any local government.

Infact I just checked INEC election timetable. It says presidential and national assembly election will happen on thesame day....So each voter will get 3 ballot papers......House of rep candidates, senatorial candidates and to a large extent governorship candidates in each states will be the ones that will be doing the campaigns for their political party. Infact campaign for Tinubu will be stronger in SE and SS in areas where those candidates know they are vulnerable to Peter Obi's popularity or Okowa's influence...they will have no choice than say just vote APC in all 3....once you start explanation vote Obi in ballot 1 and this other party in ballot 2 na election loss be that

What exactly are Wike's grievances?What exactly are Wike's grievances?...

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Cantonese:
In 2014, GEJ's "I don't care" attitude triggered the defected of Amaechi, a sitting governor along with others and serving senators, from PDP. The rest became history as we witness presently.

Is there any grouse in the party? Yes. Is it necessary to solve the problem? Yes. Has the party and members been doing so etching about it? Yes. Has it been resolved? No.

PDP may be working hard to get everyone on board. Atiku does not seem to be offering much. PDP cannot be claiming that APC is running on a Muslim/Muslim ticket, when they deliberately retained a northern chairman and a northern presidential candidate. Where is the equity peddled by them? I see Atiku as an instrument to be used in destroying PDP.

I am not holding brief for Wike, but I have been observing the events. It's only appropriate for Ayu to vacate the seat as was agreed, so that the party can move forward.

You are muddling things up

How is Atiku an instrument to be used to destroy PDP?
Hear yourself now, you didn't mention gej, fayose, wike etc

After the primaries who were the people Atiku visited, dis you see the video where Atiku and wike were exchanging pleasantries at the primary ground

I know the VP slot pained him, but I believe it was on political tactical ground going forward

Nobody will ask okowa tribal, religious or hatred question going forward

Surely Ayu will go, that's the simplest of the issue on ground

IgOga:
First of all Tinubu is not 86...secondly voting decision is not as simple as I am suffering I will vote for somebody.....it's a complex decision making process.....why did APC win Ekiti? Why did APC come second in Osun? Why did APC win all local government election in Ebonyi? Were all the people enjoying?.....APC will ultimately detach Tinubu from Buhari's administration....and I think they already started....but when campaigns start....they will only use Buhari to campaign in the North.....
You must be quite young not to understand that the human being is a complex being......and what sway people can be unbelievable.....I was most surprised that Buhari won a second term....cos his first term was as equally bad as the second term.....The structure if it doesn't collapse as it did for Jonathan in 2015 will rally the troops for their party.

Oga remove Ebonyi local government election there. You don't know what happened there. Other political parties boycotted the election, it was just Dave selecting and rewarding his boys with that position. I'm from Ebonyi, immediately Dave lost in the primary,almost all his supporters started supporting Peter Obi and Daves knows this.
I don't know why you people have refused to hear that the so called primary election was a one party show

Cantonese:
1. That there was an agreement by the governors of the South that the presidency should return to the South in 2023.

2. That he contested on the basis of that agreement

3. That when the likes of Atiku had been going from party to party, those like him, Wike, who never ran away should be considered first in such party and political matters. Atiku had severally abandoned PDP, while Wike has remained steadfast in the face of all challenges.

4. That certain governors of the South, especially Okowa, who hosted their agreement meeting a few months back, betrayed them all by supporting Atiku, a northerner.

5. That having contested the presidential primaries and lost, he peacefully returned to Rivers State.

6. That Atiku had promised give him the vice presidency.

7. That the party raised a panel to consider three candidates. Nyesom Wike was chosen above Okowa and Udom.

8. That Atiku ignored the decision of the panel to pick Okowa, without as little as offering him a reason.

9. That Atiku continues to ignore him.

10. That Atiku resorted to lies.

11. That Wike has been a major financier of the party. When others left because of EFCC, Wike remained.

Etc, etc.

I hope you can see the matters.

Thank u so much for this response. I will respond to your points one after the other.

1&2. According to u there was an agreement between the southern governors that the presidency should shift to the South in 2023. But do the southern governors have the number to defeat their northern counterparts in a national contest? We have more voters and more delegates in the north than the South and I expected Wike to know this. This is not Atiku's fault.

3. It's true that Atiku and co once left the party and they later came back. Since they returned, they have been fully received by the party and hence they are free to contest any election. Also, the feeling that Wike stayed back in the party and because of that they should gift him the presidential ticket is entitlement mentality taken too far. It doesn't work that way. For the records, Wike was not the only person who stayed back while some were defecting. Udom stayed back. Seriake Dickson, Hassan Dakwanbo, Bode George, Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi, etc, all stayed back. Should they all also demand the PDP presidential ticket as compensation for staying back like Wike is trying to do?

4. That some individual betrayed him has nothing to do with the party or Atiku and its has to do with his relationship with those people. Let him take his grudges up against those individuals. U cannot hold the party to ransom just because some individuals betrayed u.

5. He had no option. Everybody must return home.

6. There is nowhere Atiku promised to give Wike the VP ticket. It's a big lie.

7&8. Wike made it clear right from the beginning that he was not ready to be anybody's running mate. Also u don't expect Atiku to pick someone who came second to him in a fiercely contested primary to be his running mate. The person who came second to you has an inordinate ambition to be president ahead of u, so it's too risky to make him ur VP.

9. Atiku visited all the presidential aspirants, including Wike, after the primary.

10. Which lies. Be specific.

11. Wike has been a major financier of the party. There is no doubt about it. But Wike miscalculated. He should have negotiated a VP slot with the PDP from the beginning instead of contesting the primary with Atiku having known he lacked the experience and numbers to defeat Atiku.

This is what Okowa did. Okowa actually supported power shift to the South through zoning arrangements. But immediately he saw the zoning arrangement has collapsed, he quickly negotiated the VP slot with the leading candidate and he worked for him.

Shikamaru1:
watch his last set of interviews, he's more inclined towards working for Tinubu than Atiku. He said if he can't get it, Tinubu can get it..

Ok oo

[quote author= post=115366510]With new electoral law governors and party leaders can only do little to influence voters, gone are those day they send their thugs to hijack ballot boxes or rewrite result or buying PVCs, you will be seeing the outcome direct from the polling units, Osun elections Tinubu and his lieutenants and the governor with all the financial inducements couldn't save APC in Osun, in Anambra Andy Ubah bought seating senator from PDP, national assembly members in APGA and PDP, he bought APGA campaign director and other APGA party chieftains, he shared10k at the he was third position, PDP would have won Ekiti election if they have given their ticket to popular candidate, 2023 elections will surprise many of you governors or heavyweight politicians are now valueless.[/quote]You don't really have deep understanding of the presidential election.

The election is a team work and on the election date, each voter will be given three ballot papers to thumbprint the parties they want for President, Senate and Reps.
Most people will thumbprint the same party for the three positions.

Only the names and logos of political parties (and not Tinubu, Atiku or Peter Obi ) will appear on the ballot papers because it's the parties that are contesting (study the numerous Supreme Court Judgements on Election Petitions).

Now, the APC and the PDP have candidates for all the 109 Senatorial seats and 360 Reps seat but the Labour party doesn't have candidates in about 60% of the seats or have weak candidates.

All the Senatorial, Reps, Govnorship and Assembly candidates on the platform of each party will convince their people to vote for their parties.

If some candidates do anti-party campaigns, it often back fire (check AD in S/west 2003 and PDP in the North in 2015) such that they are likely to lose their own seats too.

oyatz:
You don't really have deep understanding of the presidential election.

The election is a team work and on the election date, each voter will be given three ballot papers to thumbprint the parties they want for President, Senate and Reps.
Most people will thumbprint the same party for the three positions.

Only the names and logos of political parties (and not Tinubu, Atiku or Peter Obi ) will appear on the ballot papers because it's the parties that are contesting (study the numerous Supreme Court Judgements on Election Petitions).

Now, the APC and the PDP have candidates for all the 109 Senatorial seats and 360 Reps seat but the Labour party doesn't have candidates in about 60% of the seats or have weak candidates.

All the Senatorial, Reps, Govnorship and Assembly candidates on the platform of each party will convince their people to vote for their parties.

If some candidates do anti-party campaigns, it often back fire (check AD in S/west 2003 and PDP in the North in 2015) such that they are likely to lose their own seats too.

Labour party have candidate in all the positions across the State they INEC still gave time till September to fill their candidates in various positions, that is why they're holding Stakeholders meeting across the State, LP tickets now is hot cake, in Lagos about four are fighting for the tickets

Take your time and listen to one of the governorship candidates for LP in London on Arise Tv 4days ago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_rkJBRRbTo

I support Wike against Atiku because you cannot beat a child and steal force him not to cry. The injustice done to Wike will hurt PDP in 2023.

Righthussle:
Na wa oo. Person go just cook indomie, quench stove, sidon chop the indomie finish, carry phone begin type rubbish. Na wa oo ! Nigeria !

Make buhari do give youths work abeg. Joblessness dey make some youths cap anyhow for Nairaland.

See this one. If you cannot counter an arguement with facts, do not disparage those who can.

PDP BoT should just let Wike be. He is puffed up for nothing. He is politically irreevant outside the PDP. If Wike was strong as he claims, he could have joined an unknown political party like Peter Obi did. Empty barrel. Rivers people go just "chop" his money and vote their mind. Meanwhile, he is headed for jail after May 29, 2023, because either Atiku or Obi will form the next government.

Wike's poloitical suicide, who will save this ingrate? If Wike does not defect, PDP should just expel him the proper way.

Shikamaru1:
You write ignorantly. Do you know how elections are won in rivers state, sometimes I come on the internet and i read illinformed pieces from political neophytes. Wike has a strong grassroot machinery in rivers state he established in 2013, the GDI(Grassroot Development Initiative) . Campaign is already in full gear and Atiku has never featured in their campaign attires, they've held rallies in numerous local government in rivers state, most of the heavy weights politicians in APC decamped to PDP cos they know it's almost impossible to defeat him.

Back to the primaries, those names you mentioned never funded and labored for their parties from 2015 till date so it was easy for them to move on when they lost in the primaries. Most of you hypocrites will do worse if you labored for a cause and you are being sidelined when it's time to reap the rewards if your hard work....

You can write you crap from now till tomorrow, the man is not alone, he has loyal lieutenants in the North, East, west and South. If he decides to work against Atiku, Atiku will fail woefully. No Kano as kwankwaso who is his ally will never work for Atiku, no yobe and borno for Atiku, no Rivers, no Lagos. Atiku's blood pressure must be very high with the recent developments..

And you should be smart enough to know that Atiku's presence in Osun had nothing to do with Adelekes victory..he was going to win regardless..

Majority of GDI members won't vote APC a M/M ticket.. You can take this to the Bank.

2023, GDI will only work to deliver SIM and other Legislative posts. Not Presidential..

I recently identified with them. I'm voting LP for president..

Validated:
Wike's poloitical suicide, who will save this ingrate? If Wike does not defect, PDP should just expel him the proper way.

Rivers politicians unfortunately don't always learn from past mistakes of others. They just retired amechi. That's how they will retire him.
They are like their people, gragra with no backbone.

Who will ever thought that amaechi will become a loner today?

Even those that were vigorously campaigning for him have switched over to pdp forgetting him completely. That is the reality of life.