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Wilgrea7:
What's your proof that your God gave man the assignment to invent technology? I need objective proof, not vague and generic bible passages.If your bible passage can point to any specific discovery far before they were invented...
For example, God saying “Oh ye man, build a device that runs on land, with 4 large black wheels, 2 seats in front and 3 at the back, and an engine to propel it" .. that would make sense. But of course, we never see anything like that. Just vague passages that can be interpreted to fit just about every single thing.
Exhibit A
Wow... Just... Wow

The book said God created man in His own image and gave him the assignment to subdue the planet!

According to the book God created so many things that's working till today so if He made in His own image and assigned him to discover the earth you don't know that He's indirectly telling them "you are gods so go on making things with what you have discovered on your planet home" Psalms 115:16
Well to grasp certain things you need the uncommon sense not just the common Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
The book said God created man in His own image and gave him the assignment to subdue the planet!

According to the book God created so many things that's working till today so if He made in His own image and assigned him to discover the earth you don't know that He's indirectly telling them "you are gods so go on making things with what you have discovered on your planet home" Psalms 115:16
Well to grasp certain things you need the uncommon sense not just the common Sir!

I don't know how else to explain this to you.

Your book makes a claim to creation. A claim, and proof are not the same thing. There's a little bit of evidence needed to move from one to the other.

elated177:
Where is the above found in the Scriptures?





Has there been any greater work? Of all that exist on earth, both living and non-living, man-made or otherwise, can you mention anything that is greater than man.

Telecommunication, artificial intelligence, artificial insemination, longterm sperm storage, genetic hacking, organ transplant, gender re-assignments and more, a lot of man's achievement are way to remarkable to be outruled, all that coming from a being who doesn't have any form of supernatural powers like the gods do, we are awesome and in future, I believe we will achieve much more

Wilgrea7:
I don't know how else to explain this to you.
Your book makes a claim to creation. A claim, and proof are not the same thing. There's a little bit of evidence needed to move from one to the other.

The evidence is clear!

Do you have any book that talks about the origin of life?

If the Bible says a CREATOR is the cause of life on this planet who made all these creatures and man in His likeness, and everyone can see that despite our expiration date as stated in the book man has continued to CREATE many things on this planet.

What other evidence do you need as you can see man and all his achievements whereas all other creatures have remained the same way no improvement?

Ọmọ ATHEISM is blurring your senses o!

MaxInDHouse:
The evidence is clear!

Do you have any book that talks about the origin of life?

A lot of books talk about the origin of life. Just about every religious book throughout history talked about the supposed origin of life.

If a story cannot be objectively proven, it remains nothing more than a mere story. In your case, a myth.

If the Bible says a CREATOR is the cause of life on this planet who made all these creatures and man in His likeness, and everyone can see that despite our expiration date as stated in the book man has continued to CREATE many things on this planet.

1. Refer to point above
2. I've told you.. the bible makes a claim to creation. Nothing more. The burden of proof lies on the people making the claim
3. What do you mean by expiration date as stated in the book?

What other evidence do you need as you can see man and all his achievements whereas all other creatures have remained the same way no improvement?

And that is supposed to be proof for what exactly?

Ọmọ ATHEISM is blurring your senses o!

Thanks.

yankeecoder:
Are you for real ? These are from stories written in the Bible bro

Where in your Bible are those stories found?

yankeecoder:
You are obviously the one who doesn't read, shift let better people come with better points abeg, things with evidence in the Bible, you are here saying it's from pagan myth.

Again, where in your Bible are those tales found? Provide us with reference(s) if you are so sure they are found in there.

Kobojunkie:
Where in your Bible are those stories found?

Maybe they are part of the pagan myth in the bible or you want to call it scriptures/writing bwahahahaha

Wilgrea7:
A lot of books talk about the origin of life. Just about every religious book throughout history talked about the supposed origin of life.
If a story cannot be objectively proven, it remains nothing more than a mere story. In your case, a myth.

That's the same way we have fake money and legal tender in circulation but when it comes to multiple TRANSACTIONS the fake money lose its worth while the legal tender remains valid. So if you think all books are equal in worth tell us what those books said about the origin of life and how it correlates with our day to day life!

Wilgrea7:
1. Refer to point above
2. I've told you.. the bible makes a claim to creation. Nothing more. The burden of proof lies on the people making the claim
3. What do you mean by expiration date as stated in the book?

Did your parents made claims that you have great grandparents? Did you meet all of them?
So why do you believe if not that things keeps working out as they told you?

Wilgrea7:
And that is supposed to be proof for what exactly?
Thanks.

That supposed to be a proof that what we read in the Bible is TRUE if only humans are the CREATORS of everything else we see on this planet apart from nature!

yankeecoder:
Telecommunication, artificial intelligence, artificial insemination, longterm sperm storage, genetic hacking, organ transplant, gender re-assignments and more, a lot of man's achievement are way to remarkable to be outruled, all that coming from a being who doesn't have any form of supernatural powers like the gods do, we are awesome and in future, I believe we will achieve much more

You didn't answer the questions.

Wilgrea7:
Last time I checked, you've not invented anything either. Although i stand to be corrected.

So if you, who hasn't invented anything wants to say that something “supernatural" was involved.. then the burden of proof is on you.

But you could boldly say that the supernatural played/plays no role in technological advancements even though you have invented zilch, right? Clap for yourself.

KnownUnknown:
He is sure because the “supernatural” is how you people describe your imaginary friends and imaginary beings are utterly ineffectual because they don’t exist.

Have you ever invented anything technological?

Is this thread about the existence of the supernatural powers? Even your colleague has admitted believing in supernatural powers, albeit he called them higher powers.

KnownUnknown:
That being said, it is the sabbath, your imaginary friend of the Jewish persuasion requires you to turn electronic devices off.

This is not about my religion and beliefs, don't steer the direction of discourse away from its line. Observing Sabbath does not stop me from using electronic devices.

yankeecoder:
To me, what I feel is,

All gods need worshippers like plants need sunshine, without it, they will grow weak and weaker till they fall into a deep sleep

You are entitled to your feelings. I know you lifted that line from movies. In fact, some movies come to mind, right now.

I don't know about other beings that claim to be "gods". I know that the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, does not depend on worshippers for existence or power. Making such bogus and outrageous assertion is almost tantamount to saying that the Sun depends on the existence or well-being of plants - plants that depend on its energy for survival - for sustenance or survival. That is ludicrous and incredible, don't you agree?

yankeecoder:
Worship matters to HIM to, if it didn't he wouldn't be concerned about the affairs of men.

Worshipping is simply obeying his Commandments. It is for the good of the creatures to honour their Creator. In fact, the creatures must revere their Maker. They must obey his Instructions with trembling. Not honoring his Son, his Word, may lead to their destruction.

So, you see, it is for the benefit of the creature to worship its Creator.

elated177:
You are entitled to your feelings. I know you lifted that line from movies. In fact, some movies come to mind, right now.

I don't know about other beings that claim to be "gods". I know that the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, does not depend on worshippers for existence or power. Making such bogus and outrageous assertion is almost tantamount to saying that the Sun depends on the existence or well-being of plants - plants that depend on its energy for survival - for sustenance or survival. That is ludicrous and incredulous, don't you agree?





Worshipping is simply obeying his Commandments. It is for the good of the creatures to honour their Creator. In fact, the creatures must revere their Maker. They must obey his Instructions with trembling. Not honoring his Son may lead to their destruction.

So, you see, it for the benefit of the creature to worship it's Creator.

You can’t love a deity you are trembling to.
It’s the fear that’s making you worship middle east gods, not because you love it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is there any one compelling you to believe?

That aside, by the Law of Power and Rule only One can be the greatest else there must be a war to determine who rules.

What if it was done by trick rather than a war?

The bible never said there is only one god. In fact it did mention quite a few. Where they came from, no one knows. They are the Anunaki's of old.
The Jews, more from propaganda than anything else, has given the world the impression that their god is the only one. They worship the creator of all or the king of the gods. This creator is also worshipped all over the world under different names..




Sorry for my rants, God is just the universal consciousnesses, reverenced all round the world under different names and titles.like Eledumare, chukwu, osanobua, Abassi....etc
All other thing is just basically BS

All the gods crowned Marduk their king when he fought and defeated Tiamat.
With her carcass he created the heavens and the earth and give each god their station and domain..

What I still don't get is how inanna(Lucifer) became enemies with Marduk.

And while in the Christian religion she (inanna) bore a son (Jesus) for him under a different name (Mary).

Oyinbo and their bull shiit as usual..

FYI: Christianity started as the worship of serapis.the transformation from Serapis to jesus happened during the church councils in Turkey from 325 CE to 560CE.
But the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.


For more information see Bart Erhmans latest blog post

yankeecoder:
Have you ever wondered how HE, the one supreme God most religions worship today got all his powers ? What if there were many other gods even before the existence of time whom HE tricked to merge "some" of their powers with him for the purpose of creation thereby weakening them just so, he may have it all ? I presume this to have happened before the creation of man and the earth we live in

NB: I believe there are higher powers but I refuse to believe, only one exists

There are so many of them...its the Abrahamic religion that tend to fuse all into one for easy control of the populace....!!

elated177:
But you could boldly say that the supernatural played/plays no role in technological advancements even though you have invented zilch, right? Clap for yourself.

*Insert clap emoji*

I'm not making any claims about the supernatural. And i am under no obligation to believe something, simply because I can't prove a negative of it.

The burden of proof, has, and always will, lie on the person making the claim.

If you, for any reason, believe that our current technological innovations were influenced by the supernatural.. then you're the one who has to prove it.

Asking me to prove that the supernatural didn't have a role, is like asking me to prove that there isn't an invisible flying teacup somewhere between the earth and the sun.

The burden of proof lies on the person who believed that the invisible teacup exists.

I don't know how else you want me to explain this to you.

If you can't prove your claim of the supernatural having an influence on technology, then just say so. No harm there.

MaxInDHouse:
That's the same way we have fake money and legal tender in circulation but when it comes to multiple TRANSACTIONS the fake money lose its worth while the legal tender remains valid. So if you think all books are equal in worth tell us what those books said about the origin of life and how it correlates with our day to day life!

Your fake money analogy is actually spot on. A little. You can have several fake currencies that look alike.

But the best way to know which one is real, is to test it out. There are machines that can identify fake money.

Similar thing applies to religion. Just about every religion or belief system has a story about how the world began.

Fortunately for us, we also have a good “machine" called the scientific method, that can objectively tell us how things began. To know which story is true, we'll need to compare them with what we've observed via the scientific method.

I'll give you a hint. Your religious book didn't win this one.

Did your parents made claims that you have great grandparents? Did you meet all of them?
So why do you believe if not that things keeps working out as they told you?

I don't know what on earth you mean by “things working out as they told me"

I know that the only way a human can exist, is if they were given birth to. And that process involves a man and a woman.

I am a person, and i was given birth to. My parents are people, so they must also have people who gave birth to them. Same goes for their parent's parents, and those people's parents as well.

That supposed to be a proof that what we read in the Bible is TRUE if only humans are the CREATORS of everything else we see on this planet apart from nature!

That's.... not how proof works. How does that even prove anything?

The time your bible was written, humans were already dominating the earth.

It's more of a statement about what the writers observed, rather than a prediction or prophecy. It doesn't prove anything.

Wilgrea7:
Your fake money analogy is actually spot on. A little. You can have several fake currencies that look alike.
But the best way to know which one is real, is to test it out. There are machines that can identify fake money.
Similar thing applies to religion. Just about every religion or belief system has a story about how the world began.
Fortunately for us, we also have a good “machine" called the scientific method, that can objectively tell us how things began. To know which story is true, we'll need to compare them with what we've observed via the scientific method.

So the machine will detect the fake money and the victim will condemn all other money after the experience, only the true religion can do certain things so if you are not taught how real religion (money) works you will continue to condemn all religions (money) as fake!

Wilgrea7:
I don't know what on earth you mean by “things working out as they told me"
I know that the only way a human can exist, is if they were given birth to. And that process involves a man and a woman.
I am a person, and i was given birth to. My parents are people, so they must also have people who gave birth to them. Same goes for their parent's parents, and those people's parents as well.

So in a nutshell you only believe (trust) your parents that you have ancestors because people gets married and have children shey?
You believe them because you're seeing it happening usually even though you never saw your ancestors you believe what your parents told you!

Wilgrea7:
That's.... not how proof works. How does that even prove anything? The time your bible was written, humans were already dominating the earth. It's more of a statement about what the writers observed, rather than a prediction or prophecy. It doesn't prove anything.

You're trying to dictate how money should be tested yet you detests the only machine that can help you ~ evidence: only humans makes improvements!

MaxInDHouse:
So the machine will detect the fake money and the victim will condemn all other money after the experience, only the true religion can do certain things so if you are not taught how real religion (money) works you will continue to condemn all religions (money) as fake!

I gave a very simple example. I don't know what you mean by "only the true religion can do certain things".. that was not in the criteria.

I made it very simple to understand. We determine which money is fake/real by checking it under the machine.

We determine which religious creation story is fake/real by comparing it with what we've learned about the universe via the scientific method.

No part of the verification process requires you to know “how the true religion works" or “what it can do"

You're simply taking its alleged claims and putting them up against the evidence to see if they line up.

So in a nutshell you only believe (trust) your parents that you have ancestors because people gets married and have children shey?
You believe them because you're seeing it happening usually even though you never saw your ancestors you believe what your parents told you!

What version of my response implied that the existence of my grandparents or great-grandparents were based on belief?

The specific identities of who my great-grandparents were? Sure. But the existence of them as people? No. That's a conclusion arrived at by logical deduction.

Now imagine if for example i had multiple people who were claiming to be my great-grandparents. I'd require extra proof to know who was lying and who was telling the truth.

You're trying to dictate how money should be tested yet you detests the only machine that can help you ~ evidence: only humans makes improvements!

Your logic can be applied to several other things. For example.

1. The Quran says humans are alive
2 Humans are in fact, alive
3. The Quran is true.

Even you can see how horrible that sort of logical inference is.

The claim of humans improving is an obvious one. It has been happening since the beginning of the human race, up until the time the books of the bible were written, and beyond. It's a simple statement of clear observation. There's nothing to prove there.

The claims of creation, if divinely inspired, or true are NOT things that could have been gotten by mere observation from people at the time.

That's why its a claim that can be proven true when tested against the current evidence.

If i woke up today and said phones exist.. that wouldn't be a prediction.. it would be a statement based on clear direct observation. Such a statement cannot be used to prove whether or not I'm divinely inspired or whatever

Wilgrea7:
I gave a very simple example. I don't know what you mean by "only the true religion can do certain things".. that was not in the criteria.

If you don't know what true religion supposed to do for you as in it's benefits how will you know you were with the fake?

Wilgrea7:
What version of my response implied that the existence of my grandparents or great-grandparents were based on belief?

Did you know the parents of your great grandparents? What made you believe that they once existed? Well it's simply because you know the process by which they came and left that's the only evidence you have.

Wilgrea7:
The claim of humans improving is an obvious one. It has been happening since the beginning of the human race, up until the time the books of the bible were written, and beyond. It's a simple statement of clear observation. There's nothing to prove there.

Of course there is!
The Bible is the one and only book that says humans are superior to other creatures both verbally and practically.
No religious book forbids humans from making images of other creatures and bowing (worshiping) such images except the Bible!

This post makes no sense.

sonmvayina:
What if it was done by trick rather than a war?

After you trick a person would the person not come back with War?

elated177:
Have you ever invented anything technological?

Have you? Where is your proof that electronics aren’t run but microscopic pixies wearing invisibility cloaks?

elated177:
Is this thread about the existence of the supernatural powers? Even your colleague has admitted believing in supernatural powers, albeit he called them higher powers.

What about the existence of subnatural and the invert-natural?

Before we get to higher powers, we have to figure out the low powers, medium powers, and high powers. Then we go further to the highest powers, good powers, better powers, and best powers.

KnownUnknown:
Have you? Where is your proof that electronics aren’t run but microscopic pixies wearing invisibility cloaks?

What is he saying?

KnownUnknown:
What about the existence of subnatural and the invert-natural?

Before we get to higher powers, we have to figure out the low powers, medium powers, and high powers. Then we go further to the highest powers, good powers, better powers, and best powers.

Carry out your research.

elated177:
What is he saying?

Where is your proof that electronics aren’t run by microscopic pixies wearing invisibility cloaks?

elated177:
Carry out your research.

My research uncovered subterranean-astronomical powers of the 4th kind and that YHVH Almighty or HaShem is absolute nonsense.

Lwkmd

KnownUnknown:
Where is your proof that electronics aren’t run by microscopic pixies wearing invisibility cloaks?

This one wants to put words into my mouth. Truly, my enemies are many here. Can you show me where I said, or even implied, that electronics were not run by microchips? Una don already tire.

KnownUnknown:
My research uncovered subterranean-astronomical powers of the 4th kind and that YHVH Almighty or HaShem is absolute nonsense.

The proof of pudding is in the eating. Present your alternative. You see, calling a tiger an ant doesn't change the tiger's identity. Also, calling a grown man "small boy" doesn't make him one.

elated177:
This one wants to put words into my mouth. Truly, my enemies are many here. Can you show me where I said, or even implied, that electronics were not run by microchips? Una don already tire.

Where is your proof that electronics aren’t run by microscopic pixies wearing invisibility cloaks?

elated177:
The proof of pudding is in the eating. Present your alternative. You see, calling a tiger an ant doesn't change the tiger's identity. Also, calling a grown man "small boy" doesn't make him one.

The evidence is all around you. You can’t see because you’re thematically blind.

SHALOM!

Lord Yeshua clearly explained what the so-called gods are, and how they came to be.

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 16:1-15.

AND he said also unto his Disciples,

"There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. 2. "And he called him, and said unto him,

'HOW IS IT THAT I HEAR THIS OF THEE? GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF THY STEWARDSHIP; FOR THOU MAYEST BE NO LONGER STEWARD.'

3. "Then the steward said within himself,

'WHAT SHALL I DO? FOR MY LORD TAKETH AWAY FROM ME THE STEWARDSHIP: I CANNOT DIG; TO BEG I AM ASHAMED. 4. 'I AM RESOLVED WHAT TO DO, THAT, WHEN I AM PUT OUT OF THE STEWARDSHIP, THEY MAY RECEIVE ME INTO THEIR HOUSES.'

5. "So he called every one of his lord's debtors unto him, and said unto the first,

'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU UNTO MY LORD?'

6. "And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF OIL.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL, AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY, AND WRITE FIFTY.'

7. "Then said he to another,

'AND HOW MUCH OWEST THOU?'

And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF WHEAT.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL, AND WRITE FOURSCORE.'

8. "And the lord commended the Unjust Steward, because he had done wisely: for the Children of this World are in their Generation wiser than the Children of Light. 9. "And I Say unto you,

'MAKE TO YOURSELVES FRIENDS OF THE MAMMON OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS; THAT, WHEN YE FAIL, THEY MAY RECEIVE YOU INTO EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.'

10. "He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. 11. "If therefore ye have not been faithful in the Unrighteous Mammon, who will commit to your trust The True Riches? 12. "And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own? 13. "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

14. And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.

15. And he Said unto them,

"Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is Abomination in The Sight of God."

THE SO-CALLED "GODS" ARE EX-EMPLOYEES OF GOD.

They feed off of God's Debtors.

yankeecoder:
Have you ever wondered how HE, the one supreme God most religions worship today got all his powers ?

NO ONE BECOMES AN ATHEIST BECAUSE THEY ARE INTELLIGENT.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 29:29.

29. The Secret (Things belong) unto The LORD our God:
but those things (which are) revealed (belong) unto us and to our Children for ever, that we may do all The Words of this Law.

NO. I DO NOT SO WONDER.

[color=silver].[/color] JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, THAT (IS) WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL (IS) UNDERSTANDING.' "


[color=silver].[/color] PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD is The Beginning of Knowledge: (but) Fools despise Wisdom and Instruction.

THE BASIS OF MY WISDOM AND BY KNOWLEDGE IS THAT I FEAR GOD.

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 12:1-5.

IN the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to Say unto his Disciples first of all,

"Beware ye of the Leaven of the Pharisees, which is Hypocrisy. 2. "For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. 3. "Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in Darkness shall be heard in the Light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. 4. "And I Say unto you my Friends,

'BE NOT AFRAID OF THEM THAT KILL THE BODY, AND AFTER THAT HAVE NO MORE THAT THEY CAN DO.'

5. "But I will forewarn you Whom ye shall fear:

'FEAR HIM, WHICH AFTER HE HATH KILLED HATH POWER TO CAST INTO HELL;'

yea, I Say unto you,

'FEAR HIM.' "

I do not know much about Hell, but I am sure of one thing only- I do not want to go there.

yankeecoder:
What if there were many other gods even before the existence of time whom HE tricked to merge "some" of their powers with him for the purpose of creation thereby weakening them just so, he may have it all ?

HEY- I'LL PLAY! WHAT IF THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE IS SUCH A BADBOTTOM THAT HE RIPPED OFF THE POWERS OF OTHER GODS, TO BECOMES THE SUPREME RULER? What then? What then?

[color=silver].[/color] LEVITICUS 24:10-16.

10. And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the Children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp; 11. And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed The Name of The Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: [and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:] 12. And they put him in ward, that the mind of The LORD might be shewed them. 13. And The LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

14. "Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the Congregation stone him. 15. "And thou shalt speak unto the Children of Israel, saying,

'WHOSOEVER CURSETH HIS GOD SHALL BEAR HIS SIN. 16. 'AND HE THAT BLASPHEMETH THE NAME OF THE LORD, HE SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH, AND ALL THE CONGREGATION SHALL CERTAINLY STONE HIM: AS WELL THE STRANGER, AS HE THAT IS BORN IN THE LAND, WHEN HE BLASPHEMETH THE NAME OF THE LORD, SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH.' "

Being totally jobless, and even more insane- let me run an expose on the Creator of Heaven and Earth, and expose Him as nothing more than a common thief? If I start our early, maybe I can get to go in the cooler part of Hell- where there is not much Sulphur...?

yankeecoder:
I presume this to have happened before the creation of man and the earth we live in

NB: I believe there are higher powers but I refuse to believe, only one exists

WHY WOULD YOU BE SUCH AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT AS TO STAND AGAINST THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, AND CALL HIM A LIAR

[color=silver].[/color] ISAIAH 44:8.

8. "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

CASE CLOSED- AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.

Here's something I wrote... what... six years ago? I need to update it a bit...

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

THERE ARE FOUR MODES OF AWARENESS:

1. ANIMAL AWARENESS: Animals damp down their vibrations to synchronize themselves with their environment, in order to perceive it. Their mode of Awareness has allowed The Devils to steal their Sentience. All Animals were Commanded by God to be Sentient- but Satan was allowed by them to take that away.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 13:19.

19. "When any one heareth The Word of The Kingdom, and Understandeth (It) not, then cometh The Wicked One, and catcheth away That which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the Way Side."


2. FIRST ATTENTION: Human Awareness is somewhat more sophisticated than that of the Animals, in that we tend not to synchronize our vibrations to perceive. This has pros and cons. We sample a minute fraction of what we perceive, and use it, disregarding other sense data. When the sample is exclusively Physical Universe Data, the Spiritual Realm becomes completely imperceptible- which has advantages and disadvantages. This allows the Devils to siphon 99% of our Life energy Reserve, and to suppress our Consciousness beneath 10%.

3. SECOND ATTENTION: By special Discipline, Physical or Chemical Trauma, the Mind can be made to perceive, conceive, and recall Data beyond the Physical Universe Band.

THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25)

10% TOTAL RECALL.
20% EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
30% TELEKINESIS.
40% TELEPORTATION.
50% TRANSLATION.
100% EVERLASTING LIFE.

THERE ARE THREE CATEGORIES OF KNOWLEDGE.

(1) THE KNOWN: that which the weakest minds can know- who are ignorant of Physical Reality. This is called FIRST ATTENTION AWARENESS.

(2) THE UNKNOWN: that which the minds that have passed the Entrance Point of Spiritual Knowledge and Power. This is the first five Talents, and SECOND ATTENTION.

THE UNKNOWN steps short of EVERLASTING LIFE.

Those who know THE UNKNOWN can exhibit great Power and Knowledge, but STILL DIE, eventually.

(3) THE UNKNOWABLE: this Knowledge can only be known to IMMORTALS, because even brief contact with it is fatal to Mortal beings.

This is Spiritual Knowledge not directly perceptible to those who lack ESP. THIS IS THIRD ATTENTION AWARENESS.

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4. THIRD ATTENTION: This is the exclusive perception band of IMMORTALS.

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 5:36-39.

36. And he Spake also a Parable unto them;

"No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. 37. "And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38. "But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. 39. "No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith,

'THE OLD IS BETTER.' "

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

THE LIFE ENERGY OF GOD IS THIRD ATTENTION: This is beyond the power levels of the so-called gods. It is self-regenerating- not dependent on outside Sources. The so-called gods feed off of their worshippers. It is possible to attain THE THIRD ATTENTION by stealing it from someone else. Carlos Castaneda reported that this happened to his colleague- fellow apprentice CAROL TIGGS, who was recruited the same time as he was.

Three thousand years ago, a Brujeria of Toltec Sorcerers accepted a Deal from a Heavenly Being to be Raptured into Heaven to avoid dying.

When they got to Heaven, they were assigned to a World, and all was well, until they realized that in reality they were prisoners! They were not allowed to leave. They had had the Power to Teleport to the ends of Universes, but could not get off this World.

The people who trapped them needed their masculine Energy for something. Masculine Energy is relative rare in Creation and Existence. The Creator has it. After 3,000 years, one of the Toltecs figured out that if he could warp his Soul like a pancake, so that the shiny part of the Glow of Awareness that indicates the position of the Consciousness in the Soul faced outwards, instead of inwards, and the dull part faced inwards instead of outwards.... his entire MEST Body transformed into that of a female.

The prison World literally spat him out immediately: females were not wanted there.

Landing on Earth, he kept a low profile, terrified that the Wardens would identify him, realize he was a Male, and drag him back to prison. He landed during the era of the Spanish Conquistador invaders. He found that e could no longer feed on Mortal Food and the Heavenly Energy Allotment, because he had trained his Soul to reject It, just as the Devils did. That elongated his lifespan, just like them, but now he was starved of energy, and was ageing.

In 1723, he ambushed a Nagual (i.e. shapeshifter) Seer who was operating undercover in a church, and threatened to expose him, if he did not arrange a meet with other Naguals. introduced to them, he explained that he was approaching them, because they had the highest energy of any other Humans alive. In exchange for a small amount of their energy, he would give them the benefit of his 3,000 years of experience, and give them Spiritual Gifts they ad no hope of ever discovering on their own.

It was implied that he morphed back into a female, and had sex with all of them, which gave him the energy he needed to rejuvenate himself.

He kept his end of the bargain, and indeed gave them all exotic powers- a procedure he repeated every generation.

Whereas he solved his problem in the short-term, he opened himself to a new problem- his attachment to the 17 Naguals Schools he had now started.

When Don Juan Matus recruited Carlos Castaneda and Carol Tiggs he struck them on the position of their Seat of Consciousness on their Soul Body, causing them to involuntarily enter THE SECOND ATTENTION. In that form one is one's truest self. He explained the Facts of Life to them, and secured their agreement to become his apprentices- which they would not recall when they returned to THE FIRST ATTENTION.

Only when they returned to THE SECOND ATTENTION, and had TOTAL RECALL again, could they remember the conversations and exercises they had had, that contained the True Secrets of the Order. He gave Carlos Castaneda a smack to return him to THE FIRST ATTENTION- which happened normally. But when he tried to do the same to Carol Tiggs- it would not work, because she had gone all the way into THE THIRD ATTENTION. Without the requisite years of preparation. So this was going to kill her.

However, the TOLTEC intervened, and stole THE THIRD ATTENTION Energy from Carol Tiggs, using it to escape from the Earth to Paradise, where he recreated his hometown, and lived in more or less security, While Carol Tigg's life was spared..

[See: THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981).
THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda (1993).
THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda (1998).]

IT IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUS TO SUGGEST THAT GOD COULD POSSIBLY BE AT THIS LEVEL- HAVING TO STEAL ENERGY FROM OTHERS, TO ENHANCE HIS POSITION.