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guysbewise:
But you were the one that made a bogus claim that Nero Caesar is not the antichrist, when the evidence is there right in front of you. When you add up 50+200+6+50+100+60+200 = 666 "Nero Caesar" from Greek NRON QSR in the Hebrew alphabet is: נרון קסר which when interpreted numerically represents the numbers: 50 200 6 50 100 60 200, which add up to 666.

Britannica is a reliable source so if you are not sure of what you read on Wikipedia about Roman occupation of Israel 2000 years ago then you can cross check it with Britannica.

The made up revelation events to control your mind today happened in year seventy when Rome destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem where the Holies of Holies was located.

Maynmann:
What century was it written?
Who is the author?
King nero was which century?

Why don’t you post links of your research, TALK IS CHEAP!

How low can you go to defend your deity?

Maynmann:
All these epistle and you can’t mention the name of the THEOlogical books you’ve read.
Lying shamelessly to defend your deity.

peggywebbs:
No I won't post links, no I won't post book links either. Do the work, if you want knowledge seek it. Wikipedia isn't knowledge. If you're interested in knowing the antichrist dig deeper. The information is open, history books are widely available. It takes months to find answers and not just simply opening a Wikipedia page or some links.

On your search engine you will see more than one information about the antichrist. Those that agree with your idea and those that oppose it. Start from there. Don't come and stress me with your questions. I have done my research, if I want to share it, I'd rather publish a book and make better use of my time.

peggywebbs:
This is widely available information. It's not a secret. I have books on the history of Christianity, from authors long dead. Nobody directed me or sent me links. I didn't meet any man of God or Pastor or whatever. I was curious, and I decided to start reading. I watched videos, I took it like a project. You want to know, but yet you're not ready to put in the work. You're looking for someone to argue with, someone to play cat and mouse.

The difference between finding the truth yourself and arguing the truth is that it sticks with you. When you know the truth nobody will tell you otherwise. You're not ready to know about 666 or antichrist... you're more determined to gloat that it is false. Nobody can help you believe or disbelief...go and read period.

peggywebbs:
No I didn't make any bogus claim. I only rejected your conclusion. If I choose to expand on my idea, it won't be under your thread. You're the one who decided to look at Wikipedia for answers not me

emmanueloti65:
you have personal relationship with Christ through his word not through religion or church. that is the reason you have wrong doctrines

peggywebbs:
No the number does not represent Nero Caesar as much as many people especially scholars try to decipher its meaning.

It's a number and it's very symbolic. It represents a number associated with the age of enlightenment. Computer language, binary and the likes. A number that even the people of that era would not be able to interpret.

We are in the age of enlightenment, like the time of Noah, knowledge has grown like never before. To me I believe the number is tied to artificial intelligence, something that carries man's technology DNA or footprint. Nero Caesar is long gone and dead like every other person in his time.

MaxInDHouse:
No where the scriptures say anyone can have a PERSONAL relationship with Christ because Jesus taught his disciples that it's the Church that makes him Christ not individuals.
So in the absence of the Church there is no Christ! Matthew 18:20

emmanueloti65:
wrong; Romans 10:17 proves you wrong. faith does not come from your pastors word nor your religious traditions but from the word of God.
leave this arguement and go study your Bible. the true church of Christ is the sum total of every single true believer world wide who have put their faith in him through his word, not denominational organisation you call church.

MaxInDHouse:
Just calm down and learn, the Christ has no business with any individual but the church.

When it comes to personal relationship Jesus directed his listeners to God {Matthew 6:6} so with the one and only true God {Mark 12:29} each person can build a personal relationship but for salvation all believers must join the church {Luke 18:18-23} the true God opens His hands to bless and provide for everyone whether you're good or evil {Matthew 5:45} but when it comes to salvation each individual must find the path to everlasting life which only few are finding it {Matthew 7:13-14} and through this narrow path you follow the Christ along with the Church in order to be led together with all those having the same line of thought with God and Christ! John 17:22

So our salvation is in the body of Christ which is the Church {Ephesians 4:12} but each individually must build a personal relationship with the true God just as Jesus Christ himself build a personal relationship with his father. Luke 6'12
Sorry my friend you can't have any personal relationship with Christ because he came to build the church so that through the church you can know how to follow him! Matthew 16:19

emmanueloti65:
you are busy typing words that prove nothing. what you call church is denominations founded by men. the church is the individual who truelly have faith in Christ. this faith does not come by going to church or just being religious, it come through the study and understanding of the word of God.
you are not a member of the body of Christ , you are a member of Jehovah's witness founded not by Christ but by taze Russel.

MaxInDHouse:
People preached and teach to gather people as Christians nobody become a Christian automatically! Matthew 28:19-20
So it's the law of Christ that binds them together not some individual thought! John 17:20-23

emmanueloti65:
I said you are not a member of the body but of JW. leave argument go sit down

MaxInDHouse:
I keep quoting Christ and you keep relating the idea to Jehovah's Witnesses which means only JWs are the Church of Christ if that's the group practicing what Christ taught!

emmanueloti65:
lol,..I said go sit down.

Maynmann:
At least he provided a source, you’ve been talking and making bogus claims about your religion and deity.

Who is the author you are talking about here?
What century did he/she live?
When was “time of nero”?
“Contested” and “accepted” where? When? By who?
Back up your claims with evidence, don’t just be TALKING, no wonder talk is CHEAP.
If you can’t answer all these, then stop making those ignorant claims, it just further proves why you are indoctrinated Chrestian!, with the way you are going, you’ll worship Abrahamaic gods till you D I E!

peggywebbs:
Because I'm nice, I'll give you a hint on why prophecies are meant to be interpreted and not taken literally. For instance in Nehum 2:4

Chariots dash wildly through the streets, rushing to and fro through the city squares. They flash like torches and dart about like lightning.
Nahum 2:4 GNBDK

https://bible.com/bible/431/nam.2.4.GNBDK

If I were to give your interpretation, I'd have said the Prophet was talking about horses. No, the time he wrote this, cars were not even dreamt of. But this was the old testament and this man who had never seen an engine in his life or even a light bulb.. describe a busy street with many cars on wheels and headlamps on traffic.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sitting comfortably!

emmanueloti65:
good!!

MindHacker9009:
Early Christians were followers of Chrestus now Christ. Temple of Serapis Chrestus.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM-tfvkMziA

MindHacker9009:
Early Christians were followers of Chrestus now Christ. Temple of Serapis Chrestus.

peggywebbs:
No I didn't make any bogus claim. I only rejected your conclusion. If I choose to expand on my idea, it won't be under your thread. You're the one who decided to look at Wikipedia for answers not me

peggywebbs:
You're lazy.. don't blame me for that. I read and I don't have any responsibility to share my knowledge with you.

You're pissed for some reason I don't understand. I only asked you to further your research. I am reading other topics at the moment and I have no intention on trying to teach anybody anything. Unless you're not educated and I can understand that. The Bible is not that complex and if you want to have more understanding, you must be ready to do the work.

Nagging me on nairaland won't provoke me to argue with you or give you some revelation. I don't believe in exam malpractice, I never cheated my way to get to my position. So I won't encourage laziness.
Because I'm nice, I'll give you a hint on why prophecies are meant to be interpreted and not taken literally. For instance in Nehum 2:4

Chariots dash wildly through the streets, rushing to and fro through the city squares. They flash like torches and dart about like lightning.
Nahum 2:4 GNBDK

https://bible.com/bible/431/nam.2.4.GNBDK

If I were to give your interpretation, I'd have said the Prophet was talking about horses. No, the time he wrote this, cars were not even dreamt of. But this was the old testament and this man who had never seen an engine in his life or even a light bulb.. describe a busy street with many cars on wheels and headlamps on traffic.

Again, let me repeat myself, go and read a book and stop being lazy. It's not easy to be an atheist, you have to do the work. Convince yourself there is no God by reading books and not antagonising Christians online. You're just making mockery of yourself and exposing your ignorance.

emmanueloti65:
the mods deleted my first reply and banned my account. but I will try to respond again.

you contradict yourself. the Bible stops at the fourth kingdom which is Rome. no 5th and 6th kingdom.

the Vatican never lost power to England as a matter of fact the king of England king john surrendered his crown to the papal legate in 1213 as sign of loyalty and subjugation . the current queen of England is a dame of Malta a society run by the vatican. England is under the control of the Vatican and the pope same as America.

there is a reason why the prophecy of world powers stoped at Rome which is the fourth kingdom. that is because Rome still rules till today.

the emperors of the ancient Roman kingdom did not hand over power to England but the Catholic church. emperor Constantine gave his power to the church before leaving Rome, and in 538 emperor Justinian declared Christianity the official Roman religion. this gave authority to the Roman church to persecute any one not practicing Thier own version of Christianity and they destroyed three kingdoms namely the heruli ,the osthrogoth and vandals as predicted by the book of Daniel.

the little horn that grew out of the fourth kingdom with the eyes and mouth of a man which is the antichrist fits only the Vatican city state which is the smallest kingdom in Rome today not England and America.

there is a reason why Bible stopped at Rome as the last world power and that is because Rome methamorphorsed from a political power to a religious power and it is quit evident that the church of Rome ran the ancient Roman kingdom after the. emperors left Rome. the title "pontifex maximus " was taken from the Roman emperors and is now the title of the bishop of rome. this little kingdom in Rome today runs not just England and America but the whole world through their Jesuit secret army who infiltrates countries to take over and run their political system. this same Jesuits have been expelled in over 83 countries through history because their agenda of usurping political power was uncovered.

"See, sir, from this chamber I govern not
only to Paris, but to China, not only to
China, but to all the world, without any
one to know how I do it "
---Michaelangelo Tamburini
14th Jesuit General ,
1706-1739
the above is a statement from a Jesuit general hundreds of years ago.

peggywebbs:
You see like I said, you're Idea of Nero is greatly flawed. Revelation may be at the end of the Catholic Bible, it does not mean the book was written in that order.

If you read Corinthians, Romans, you'll see that the early Christians were anxious for the return of Christ. There were many doctrines, ideas, and opinions among them. The confusion got so bad that Paul had to interfere to explain in his letters that they should be patient for the coming of Christ. Like today where people have said Obama, Trump and Hitler at his time was the antichrist, so also did the early Christians.

Nero Caesar was persecuting Christians at the time and many people thought he was the antichrist. However, they were wrong. There are certain elements in Revelation that must be fulfilled before the antichrist can be identified. So again, your Nero Idea has failed the test of Revelation. During his time, all the seals of judgement had not been opened, there are many stages that must pass before the Revelation of the antichrist.

We have experienced almost all of those events in our time. The only event that remains is the revelation of the antichrist. Many people wonder if he will be born, or if he already exists but has not taken his position. The truth is when eventually he is revealed, you won't be creating a thread trying to find his identity. It will be known, especially by the revelation of the Holy Spirit. However, until then, we should just be good and try to live a God fearing life. Not everyone may be on earth for all this events.

This is a mystery like every mystery on this earth. It however does not make the event false. The account of revelation will happen eventually.

emmanueloti65:
you obviously don't know what your talking about, the leg and feet of the image in Daniel represents the fourth kingdom which is Rome and the feet of iron and clay represents the disintegrated kingdom of Rome .

Rome scattered into 10 kingdoms represented by the ten toes, not two kingdoms. another symbological representation of this prophesy is in Daniel 7 where the kingdoms are represented as beast and the foruth beast which is Rome had ten horns and among these ten horns or kingdoms came up a little horn or kingdom with the eyes and mouth of a man and uprooted three. this prophecy of a little horn only fits the Vatican city state because it was the last and smallest kingdom that came up after the ten kingdom that broke out of Rome these ten kingdoms are;


The kingdom of the Suevians today portugal
The kingdom of the Visigoths today spain
The kingdom of the Alamini today germany
The kingdom of the Burgundians today switzerland
The kingdom of the Franks today france
The kingdom Anglo-Saxon today england
The kingdom of the lombards today italy
the kingdom of the heruli- eliminated
the kingdom of the osthrogoths - eliminated
the kingdom of the vandals - eliminated.

the Vatican city state was the last to come come up after these and it is represented by the little but stout horn with eyes and mouth of a man, this same horn which speaks blasphemy against God and persecutes Gods people as described in Daniel 7 fits only the Roman church , not England and America. go read foxes book of mathyrs to get a clue of the atrocities of the Roman church.

And also it is quit evident that the emperors of the political Roman kingdom gave authority to the church as the ancient Roman kingdom was falling apart. so the people who carried on from the Roman emperors was the Roman church. speaking technically Rome never fell it only methamorphorsed. that system stil continues till this day . the empire today is not just in Europe but the entire world.

guysbewise:
But you were the one that made a bogus claim that Nero Caesar is not the antichrist, when the evidence is there right in front of you. When you add up 50+200+6+50+100+60+200 = 666 "Nero Caesar" from Greek NRON QSR in the Hebrew alphabet is: נרון קסר which when interpreted numerically represents the numbers: 50 200 6 50 100 60 200, which add up to 666.

Britannica is a reliable source so if you are not sure of what you read on Wikipedia about Roman occupation of Israel 2000 years ago then you can cross check it with Britannica.

The made up revelation events to control your mind today happened in year seventy when Rome destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem where the Holies of Holies was located.

MaxInDHouse:
Just calm down and learn, the Christ has no business with any individual but the church.

When it comes to personal relationship Jesus directed his listeners to God {Matthew 6:6} so with the one and only true God {Mark 12:29} each person can build a personal relationship but for salvation all believers must join the church {Luke 18:18-23} the true God opens His hands to bless and provide for everyone whether you're good or evil {Matthew 5:45} but when it comes to salvation each individual must find the path to everlasting life which only few are finding it {Matthew 7:13-14} and through this narrow path you follow the Christ along with the Church in order to be led together with all those having the same line of thought with God and Christ! John 17:22

So our salvation is in the body of Christ which is the Church {Ephesians 4:12} but each individually must build a personal relationship with the true God just as Jesus Christ himself build a personal relationship with his father. Luke 6'12
Sorry my friend you can't have any personal relationship with Christ because he came to build the church so that through the church you can know how to follow him! Matthew 16:19

OgaNightmare:
Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Only Jesus).
The Ecclesia is not an agent of salvation it is the body of Christ comprised of believers who have put on Christ and got baptized in his name.
We gain salvation by putting faith in Christ,
John 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES (PUTS FAITH) IN HIM SHOULD not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE.
We should be followers of Christ not men or religion. Christ died for our sins not the Church. Christ mediates for us.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny misinformed churchgoers deceiving themselves!

How can anyone think of having a PERSONAL relationship with the Christ when he himself have left behind his own family only to form a Church {Matthew 12:46-50} in fact his mother, brothers and sisters thought he has run mad {Mark 3:21} when he left home and never returned after his baptism.

WHY?

Because he is no longer the person they used to know after his baptism he has become a totally different person born of the spirit of God {Matthew 3:17} to gather the worshipers of God and form a group with which he is now the head {Matthew 12:46-50} unlike individuals having personal relationships with his father through living by conscience {Romans 2:14-15} Jesus is gathering people who must comply with his teachings and become one body having the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} so the only evidence to prove that someone is with Christ is the group {Matthew 18:20} because with the group you continue living in harmony with Christ's commandments {Matthew 28:19-20} so that if anyone turns away from this teachings they may be expelled from the gathering of Christ {1Corinthians 5:12-13} based on the power conferred on those taking the lead by Christ himself! Matthew 16:19

So in what way can anyone claim he has a PERSONAL relationship with Christ when you're not attached to his visible church?

Even the Jew who have obeyed all the laws of God right from his youth till he met Christ Jesus still told him that the man must join his group! Luke 18:18-23

The one and only evidence that the Christ has walked this planet is the church practicing what he taught, that's why he could refer to them as his "WITNESSES" {Act 1:8} and in first century Antioch they were called by the group name "CHRISTIANS"! Act 11:26

So if anyone is deceiving himself that he has a PERSONAL relationship with Christ it's a lie because without the Church subjecting yourself to the rules binding on all members the Christ doesn't even know you exist {Luke 9:60} that's why he will refer to you as WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS/INIQUITY {Matthew 7:21-23} since you're not ready to submit to the same line of thought governing the body of Christ! 1Corinthians 1:10