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Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 5:24pm On Sep 13, 2022
So my good friend, Mr RD, I need verifiable miracles. There are many famous or celebrity christians with many deformities, of which if any of them are healed, that alone wouldn't need verification. Yinka Ayefele, Cobham Asuquo etc have been smitten with different ailments which none of your conmen can heal, despite these celebrities being born again Christians. So heal them, and I believe you. You can't tell me Ayefele, Asuquo etc haven't heard and visited all these scam joints, especially Enenche's, Oyedepo's but guess what, they're still afflicted grin grin
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 7:45pm On Sep 13, 2022
jaephoenix:
Many people have done these fact finding missions. Read up the links in my previous posts. There's more from where it came from grin
The problem of doing such tours in Nigeria is cos I may be assaulted or worse. This country is in the shackles of religion, so no anti-religious mission would work. In fact, the police would even mock me for reporting that I was beaten in a church for checking if their miracles were fake. I'd get "wetin carry you go there?"
These are all lies.

Who are the many people that have done these fact fundings? Where did they go? When did they go there? What did they see? Verifiable video recordings of their findings? Video recordings of your assault scene?

I'll be waiting for the full details.
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 8:01pm On Sep 13, 2022
jaephoenix:
1. So I took my time to go through your miracle workers.
Pastor Maldonado, who is a divorced wife abuser, has been accused of scams. His 'miracles' were said to scams(though I haven't verified the claims).
Oyedepo, the witch slapper grin. In saner climes, he should be arrested for physically assaulting a mentally challenged girl, but Nigeria is a far cry from being mildly sane. The same nigga who predicted the Owo killers would be arrested in June, but were only nabbed in August. Oyedepo has so many gaffes. He's not even known for 'miracles'. Shiloh has a medical department that run full time in patient and out patient. Now tell, how can you be claiming he's a miracle merchant when his members depend on medical science for succour? Lol.
Now Reinhard Bonnke. grin . Reinhard Reinhard, ma nigga. Hushpuppi dey learn work where dis guy dey. He is the worse of these scammers. He never had any miracles in his native Germany but multiple miracles in Africa. Why? He'd be found out! Germany and many countries have strict scamming laws. U do anyhow, u see anyhow. In Africa, especially Nigeria, we encourage scamming. From individual to government. So ogbeni Bonnke strut his stuff here. His most notorious miracle was resurrection of one Nigerian. I read that story, and I picked up many holes. And my holes were corroborated by many news outlets. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/rhetoricraceandreligion/2012/05/was-this-guy-really-resurrected.html
From the 'doctor' review, to the lack of death certificate, to the fresh coffin. All of them screamed fake. In fact the guy was so scammy, he couldn't predict his own death, like TB Joshua. Reinhard Bonnke died of throat cancer, which funnily enough probably resulted from his numerous preachings and crusades grin grin grin . Dude couldn't even heal himself. Nor could any of his cronies like Benny Hinn. His other miracles were also scams https://scribalwell./2019/11/25/the-miracles-of-reinhard-bonnke/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pastor-bonnke-lays-claim-to-miracle-cures-andrew-brown-sees-a-german-evangelist-conducting-one-of-his-four-openair-shows-in-birmingham-this-week-1537347.html%3famp

About Enenche, I don't even know how to talk about him. You say he's walking in power and the nigga doesn't know where hospitals and mortuaries are in Abuja? What better way to demonstrate God's power than walking to those places. Remember Jesus didn't have a permanent spot. He was moving from place to place, doing good.
By the way, have you seen any of your conmen heal an amputee? Lol. That one go expose them. They'll rather go with people with 'HIV' etc which can't be verified
There was a paranormal challenge in the world and all the preachers, shamans etc were told to prove they have powers. None of them could do anything https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge

2. About your powerful miracles, I have nothing to say to u. I have told you I have some patients booked for elective lower segment C/S. Pray for their babies to verse, yet you were running around in circles grin
These are the rantings of a biased ignoramus.

Oyedepo slapped a witch, so his miracles are fake. Reinhard Bonnke didn't work miracles in Germany, he couldn't heal himself, one dead man he resurrected were verified by jaephoenix to be fake, so all his thousands of miracles are fake. It seems you forgot to mention Adeboye. As for Enenche, you don't even know what to talk about him. He didn't go to hospitals and mortuaries to raise the dead, so the miracles are fake.

So, from all your education and experience as a full blown adult, this is how you arrive at logical conclusions? I shouldn't be surprised anyway, the way you quickly diagnosed my dad to be having subacute appendicitis from my simple narration without asking further questions to first ascertain the facts, already tell much about how you draw your conclusions. If that's how all doctors diagnose cases, then more patients would be going to the mortuaries every day.

I have put up a challenge to you. The challenge is fair enough. Go to those places with a team of researchers. Video camera in hand, including medical equipments for verification of claims. Publish your findings on national TV, let's see out it goes.

If you're not ready to take such a fair challenge, then you have skeletons in your cupboard.
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 11:54pm On Sep 13, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
These are all lies.

Who are the many people that have done these fact fundings? Where did they go? When did they go there? What did they see? Verifiable video recordings of their findings? Video recordings of your assault scene?

I'll be waiting for the full details.
Did you read any of my links? Or u just wanna behave like the regular Christian, who ignores truth
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m):
RoyalDiadems:
These are the rantings of a biased ignoramus.

Oyedepo slapped a witch, so his miracles are fake. Reinhard Bonnke didn't work miracles in Germany, he couldn't heal himself, one dead man he resurrected were verified by jaephoenix to be fake, so all his thousands of miracles are fake. It seems you forgot to mention Adeboye. As for Enenche, you don't even know what to talk about him. He didn't go to hospitals and mortuaries to raise the dead, so the miracles are fake.

So, from all your education and experience as a full blown adult, this is how you arrive at logical conclusions? I shouldn't be surprised anyway, the way you quickly diagnosed my dad to be having subacute appendicitis from my simple narration without asking further questions to first ascertain the facts, already tell much about how you draw your conclusions. If that's how all doctors diagnose cases, then more patients would be going to the mortuaries every day.

I have put up a challenge to you. The challenge is fair enough. Go to those places with a team of researchers. Video camera in hand, including medical equipments for verification of claims. Publish your findings on national TV, let's see out it goes.

If you're not ready to take such a fair challenge, then you have skeletons in your cupboard.
Omo, education to a Christian is a waste.
Did you read any of the links?
I told you Oyedepo's church members rely on medical science for healing and yet he's performing miracles. Does it make sense to you? At least, exercise the remaining part of your brain christianity left for you
Also, its obvious u didn't even read any of those links. Let me drop some more
http://web.archive.org/web/20030404040531/http://allafrica.com/stories/199910070143..
http://web.archive.org/web/20021219175453/http://allafrica.com/stories/199910130141.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20020615225618/http://allafrica.com/stories/199910180198.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20030404031724/http://allafrica.com/stories/200201270072.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20030404041257/http://allafrica.com/stories/200202260471.html

Go through them, if u dare
That's how your Bonnke works. Please don't start on the 'Thousands of miracles' because none of them were verified. If u read any of my links, u would have known. When the HBO team doing their investigations questioned Bonnke's camp, they said the healed individuals have no medical certificates or diagnosis sheet and they don't keep track of the healed people. Really? grin
So they don't even keep the records for follow-up purposes. Thats nice isn't it. Quite convenient grin
U didn't mention Adeboye initially but now u did, u just shot yourself in the foot. That nigga has no verifiable miracles.
Please give me verifications of the miracles Enenche performed. I don't do hearsays or anecdotes
By the way, I don't know you are this thick skulled. I told you I diagnosed ur dad with subacute appendicitis based on your history. Did you even ask me how I arrived at it? Even if he had acute appendicitis, he'd still be on antibiotics before ops
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:15am On Sep 14, 2022
jaephoenix:
So my good friend, Mr RD, I need verifiable miracles. There are many famous or celebrity christians with many deformities, of which if any of them are healed, that alone wouldn't need verification. Yinka Ayefele, Cobham Asuquo etc have been smitten with different ailments which none of your conmen can heal, despite these celebrities being born again Christians. So heal them, and I believe you. You can't tell me Ayefele, Asuquo etc haven't heard and visited all these scam joints, especially Enenche's, Oyedepo's but guess what, they're still afflicted grin grin
I noticed you deftly dodged this post. Got you thinking… oh wait, Christians gave up their brains when they gave their life to Jesus. Oh crap grin
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m):
Even more exposure of your scam pastors here
https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-oliver-exposes-shady-televangelists-fleecing-americans-for-millions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg

Have you noticed that when pastors need money or donation, they ask the Congregation. But when any member of the said church needs money, they're told to ask God or sow seed. Isn't it wonderful? grin
So why didn't the pastor sow seeds or even ask God when he needs money?
I understand y'all Christians gave your life and brain to Christ for safekeeping, but men, una mumu
I had a NYSC girlfriend that was always sowing seed to her church. Babes was always broke but makes sure 10% goes to the pastor so that she'd marry me and we become successful . Long story short, we didn't get married. And she's still single til now , at 39. And last I saw her on Facebook, she's very cachectic. I guess her brain is still with her savior grin
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 2:39am On Sep 15, 2022
jaephoenix:
Omo, education to a Christian is a waste.
Did you read any of the links?
I told you Oyedepo's church members rely on medical science for healing and yet he's performing miracles. Does it make sense to you? At least, exercise the remaining part of your brain christianity left for you
Also, its obvious u didn't even read any of those links. Let me drop some more
http://web.archive.org/web/20030404040531/http://allafrica.com/stories/199910070143..
http://web.archive.org/web/20021219175453/http://allafrica.com/stories/199910130141.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20020615225618/http://allafrica.com/stories/199910180198.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20030404031724/http://allafrica.com/stories/200201270072.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20030404041257/http://allafrica.com/stories/200202260471.html

Go through them, if u dare
That's how your Bonnke works. Please don't start on the 'Thousands of miracles' because none of them were verified. If u read any of my links, u would have known. When the HBO team doing their investigations questioned Bonnke's camp, they said the healed individuals have no medical certificates or diagnosis sheet and they don't keep track of the healed people. Really? grin
So they don't even keep the records for follow-up purposes. Thats nice isn't it. Quite convenient grin
U didn't mention Adeboye initially but now u did, u just shot yourself in the foot. That nigga has no verifiable miracles.
Please give me verifications of the miracles Enenche performed. I don't do hearsays or anecdotes
By the way, I don't know you are this thick skulled. I told you I diagnosed ur dad with subacute appendicitis based on your history. Did you even ask me how I arrived at it? Even if he had acute appendicitis, he'd still be on antibiotics before ops
We do not ignore medical treatments. Most times, we seek divine divine healing only after exhausting options. So, Oyedepo's clinics or hospitals do not negate the occurrence of divine healings.

Yes, I mentioned RCCG in my former post, that refers to Adeboye, perhaps you don't know.

Reinhard Bonkke was given a divine mission to Africa. Thousands of miracles happen in each of his crusades. You mean he fabricated millions of miracles during his entire missionary activities in Africa? Is that not a joke taken too far? By now millions of people whose miracles were mere fabrications would have spoken out. His crusades are attended by Christians and non Christians alike. Most times, non Christians attend his crusades when they see that a neighbor who attended a crusade received a miracle. They often know what ailments that neighbor had been battling with, so they follow the next day to see things for themselves. That's why his crusades record increasing attendants from day to day.

Now, I can understand that the devil works hard to completely seal some people away from the truth. These set of people would never see God in anything even when it's happening right in front of them.

You wouldn't need me to give you verifications of miracles. These are not things done in secret. Do visit the recommended venues and take up the challenge.
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 2:40am On Sep 15, 2022
jaephoenix:
Did you read any of my links? Or u just wanna behave like the regular Christian, who ignores truth
There's no other truth than the one you can witness for yourself and confirm.
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 2:59pm On Sep 15, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
We do not ignore medical treatments. Most times, we seek divine divine healing only after exhausting options. So, Oyedepo's clinics or hospitals do not negate the occurrence of divine healings.

Yes, I mentioned RCCG in my former post, that refers to Adeboye, perhaps you don't know.

Reinhard Bonkke was given a divine mission to Africa. Thousands of miracles happen in each of his crusades. You mean he fabricated millions of miracles during his entire missionary activities in Africa? Is that not a joke taken too far? By now millions of people whose miracles were mere fabrications would have spoken out. His crusades are attended by Christians and non Christians alike. Most times, non Christians attend his crusades when they see that a neighbor who attended a crusade received a miracle. They often know what ailments that neighbor had been battling with, so they follow the next day to see things for themselves. That's why his crusades record increasing attendants from day to day.

Now, I can understand that the devil works hard to completely seal some people away from the truth. These set of people would never see God in anything even when it's happening right in front of them.

You wouldn't need me to give you verifications of miracles. These are not things done in secret. Do visit the recommended venues and take up the challenge.
Actually, its the other way round. People go to the hospital when miracles don't happen. Thus u hear phrases like "God would 'perfect' his healing when you take drugs". Wtf! Why doesn't god just plain heal me instead of allowing me to suffer more and allow me spend more money(even when he knows I'm afraid pauper) in the hospital? So why set up the hospitals or medical departments if the healing is cheaper and faster? I mean if I know praying would heal me of an ailment, why would I bother to walk to the medical department, get a card, wait for ages for the doctor, who would still waste time on tests etc? Only a thick skulled person would do that. But Pastor RD says people go to those clinics first before reaching to God. grin
From thousands to millions of miracles now, abi? This una scam no dey finish. From your depositions, u obviously didn't read any of those links grin grin
Bonnkes' miracles couldn't be verified cos they don't exist. HBO couldnt get any info about the supposed healed people. There was no record of such healings. They were all staged. Same as Oyaks has been staging his since years immemorial. And run into 'thousands'. Same as TB Joshua. If u said you healed someone, provide the name and address of just one person. Just one. They would be investigated and their medical records unearthed. So if he was previously diagnosed with cancer, it would be on record. But Bonnke's people said they don't have any names. So u have been healing anonymous people, right?
Not surprised. Christians don't like researches. They prefer getting stuck in their lies
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 1:39am On Sep 17, 2022
jaephoenix:
Actually, its the other way round. People go to the hospital when miracles don't happen. Thus u hear phrases like "God would 'perfect' his healing when you take drugs". Wtf! Why doesn't god just plain heal me instead of allowing me to suffer more and allow me spend more money(even when he knows I'm afraid pauper) in the hospital? So why set up the hospitals or medical departments if the healing is cheaper and faster? I mean if I know praying would heal me of an ailment, why would I bother to walk to the medical department, get a card, wait for ages for the doctor, who would still waste time on tests etc? Only a thick skulled person would do that. But Pastor RD says people go to those clinics first before reaching to God. grin
From thousands to millions of miracles now, abi? This una scam no dey finish. From your depositions, u obviously didn't read any of those links grin grin
Bonnkes' miracles couldn't be verified cos they don't exist. HBO couldnt get any info about the supposed healed people. There was no record of such healings. They were all staged. Same as Oyaks has been staging his since years immemorial. And run into 'thousands'. Same as TB Joshua. If u said you healed someone, provide the name and address of just one person. Just one. They would be investigated and their medical records unearthed. So if he was previously diagnosed with cancer, it would be on record. But Bonnke's people said they don't have any names. So u have been healing anonymous people, right?
Not surprised. Christians don't like researches. They prefer getting stuck in their lies
I can now see without an iota of doubt that the devil has spiritually blinded some people, and they've also chosen to remain blind.

Churches don't keep names of people. Sometimes, you don't even know that healing would happen. You just call for testimonies, and then, you hear people testifying. Keep names for what? The church's main assignment is to save the lost, healing is just by the side. That's not our main task.

In Bonkke's crusades, miracles are numerous because of the mammoth crowd that flood his meetings. When it's testimony time, people mob the platform in a bid to share their testimonies. Bonkke does not know any of them. He doesn't even have their history. They share their testimonies right there on the platform, and depart. For the sake of time,only few individuals among the mob of testifiers are allowed. Infact thousands go back home without anyone hearing their testimonies.

There are hundreds of thousands of blog posts and websites today that attest to the fact that miracles take place in Bonkke's crusades, but you chose to ignore those. You prefer to embrace the lies of a few blogs written by satanists to disparage the work of God. Your choices would certainly lead you somewhere someday.

Have you read about Marrion Branham? Have you heard about Benson Idahosa? These are people who raised the dead live in meetings. Marrion Branham even had a lot of supernatural manifestations in his ministry. The photos are on the internet.

Anyway, those who love to feed lies would end in disastrously. The Kingdom of God is established by truth, and propagated by truth. One day, this truth would stare you in the eye face to face, I just pray it wouldn't be too late for you at the time.

Take up the challenge I gave you. That's the only way you can say something meaningful about these matters. Don't ask me to go online to read lies about Bonkke. I witnessed a lot of miracles in his crusades firsthand. So, I don't need anyone to tell me what happened or what did not happen in those crusades.

Take up the challenge. Let's see how it goes.
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 1:29am On Sep 18, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
I can now see without an iota of doubt that the devil has spiritually blinded some people, and they've also chosen to remain blind.

Churches don't keep names of people. Sometimes, you don't even know that healing would happen. You just call for testimonies, and then, you hear people testifying. Keep names for what? The church's main assignment is to save the lost, healing is just by the side. That's not our main task.

In Bonkke's crusades, miracles are numerous because of the mammoth crowd that flood his meetings. When it's testimony time, people mob the platform in a bid to share their testimonies. Bonkke does not know any of them. He doesn't even have their history. They share their testimonies right there on the platform, and depart. For the sake of time,only few individuals among the mob of testifiers are allowed. Infact thousands go back home without anyone hearing their testimonies.

There are hundreds of thousands of blog posts and websites today that attest to the fact that miracles take place in Bonkke's crusades, but you chose to ignore those. You prefer to embrace the lies of a few blogs written by satanists to disparage the work of God. Your choices would certainly lead you somewhere someday.

Have you read about Marrion Branham? Have you heard about Benson Idahosa? These are people who raised the dead live in meetings. Marrion Branham even had a lot of supernatural manifestations in his ministry. The photos are on the internet.

Anyway, those who love to feed lies would end in disastrously. The Kingdom of God is established by truth, and propagated by truth. One day, this truth would stare you in the eye face to face, I just pray it wouldn't be too late for you at the time.

Take up the challenge I gave you. That's the only way you can say something meaningful about these matters. Don't ask me to go online to read lies about Bonkke. I witnessed a lot of miracles in his crusades firsthand. So, I don't need anyone to tell me what happened or what did not happen in those crusades.

Take up the challenge. Let's see how it goes.
Sorry bro. Churches keep track of 'testimonies'. I'm sure u have seen church bulletins where they list out testimonies of their members, though oddly enough, they don't put their names. Which is smart cos they know they would be found out if they did. Since they have the time to record the testimony in detail, what stops them from getting the details of the testifiers? Doesn't it sound odd in your ear?
About Bonkke, I gave you the story of one his the men he 'resurrected' which turned out to be a scam. So if they don't keep track, how did they get his name?
I gave you the names of born again Christian celebrities who have all sorts of afflictions, but aren't healed. You keep on dodging that topic grin cheesy
Its easy for your con men to convince us they heal by healing those people. That kind of miracle doesn't require checking up cos everyone know them. But guess what, they still are blind, crippled, deaf etc despite billions of billions of miracles happening everyday. cheesy
Marrion Branham was a racist pastor who believed in Serpent Seed, which believes that the Serpent mated with Eve and gave birth to the black race, including you. grin . I got the following clips….

[b]Throughout his healing revivals, Branham was accused of committing fraud by investigative news reporters, fellow ministers, host churches, and governmental agencies. Numerous people pronounced healed died shortly thereafter, investigators discovered evidence suggesting miracles may have been staged, and Branham was found to have significantly embellished and falsified numerous stories he presented to his audiences as fact. Branham faced legal problems as a result of his practices. The governments of South Africa and Norway intervened in order to stop his healing campaigns in their countries. In the United States, Branham was charged with tax evasion for failing to account for the donations received through his ministry; admitting his liability, he settled the case out of court. The news media has linked Branham to multiple notorious figures. Branham was baptized and ordained a minister by Roy Davis, the National Imperial Wizard (leader) of the Ku Klux Klan; the two men maintained a lifelong relationship. Branham helped launch and popularize the ministry of Jim Jones. Paul Schäfer, Robert Martin Gumbura, Leo Mercer, and other followers of William Branham's teachings have regularly been in the news due to the serious crimes which they committed. Followers of Branham's teachings in Colonia Dignidad were portrayed in the 2015 film Colonia. To his American audiences, Branham claimed several high profile events occurred during his international tours. Branham claimed to visit and pray for King George VI while en route to Finland in 1950. He claimed the king was healed through his prayers. Researchers found no evidence that Branham ever met King George; King George was chronically ill and died about a year after Branham claimed to heal him.[114][121]

Branham also claimed to pray for and heal the granddaughter of Florence Nightingale at a London airport. Branham's campaign produced photos of an emaciated woman who they claimed to be Nightingale's granddaughter. However, Florence Nightingale never married and had no children or grandchildren. Investigators of Branham's claim were unable to identify the woman in the photograph.[122]

Branham similarly claimed to pray for King Gustaf V while in Sweden in April 1950. Investigators found no evidence for the meeting; King Gustaf V died in October 1950. Branham claimed to stop in Egypt in 1954 while en route to India to meet with King Farouk; however Farouk had been deposed in 1952 and was not living in Egypt at the time. Branham claimed to visit the grave of Buddha while in India, however Buddha was cremated and has no grave. In total, critics of Branham identified many claims which appeared to be false when investigated. Weaver accused Branham of major embellishments.
Branham faced criticism and opposition from the early days of the healing revival, and he was repeatedly accused of fraud throughout his ministry.[124] According to historian Ronald Kydd, Branham evoked strong opinions from people with whom he came into contact; "most people either loved him or hated him".[125][126] Kydd stated that it "is impossible to get even an approximate number of people healed in Branham's ministry."[127] No consistent record of follow-ups of the healing claims were made, making analysis of many claims difficult to subsequent researchers.[128][129] Additionally, Branham's procedures made verification difficult at the time of his revivals. Branham believed in positive confession. He required supplicants to claim to be healed to demonstrate their faith, even if they were still experiencing symptoms. He frequently told supplicants to expect their symptoms to remain for several days after their healing. This led to people professing to be healed at the meetings, while still suffering from the condition. Only follow up after Branham's waiting period had passed could ascertain the result of the healing.[128][129]


A 1947 Vancouver Sun Headline about Branham Campaign
From the early days of the healing revival, Branham received overwhelmingly unfavorable coverage in the news media, which was often quite critical.[112] At his June 1947 revivals in Vandalia, Illinois, the local news reported that Beck Walker, a man who was deaf and mute from birth, was pronounced healed but failed to recover. Branham claimed Walker failed to recover his hearing because he had disobeyed Branham's instruction to stop smoking cigarettes. Branham was lambasted by critics who asked how it was possible the deaf man could have heard his command to stop smoking.[130]

At his 1947 meetings in Winnipeg, Branham claimed to have raised a young man from the dead at a Jeffersonville funeral parlor. Branham's sensational claim was reported in the news in the United States and Canada, leading to a news media investigation to identify the funeral home and the individual raised from the dead. Reporters subsequently found no evidence of a resurrection; no funeral parlor in the city corroborated the story.[131] The same year the news media in Winnipeg publicized Branham's cases of failed healing. In response, the churches which hosted Branham's campaign conducted independent follow-up interviews with people Branham pronounced healed to gather testimonies which they could use to counter the negative press. To their surprise, their investigation failed to confirm any cases of actual healing; every person they interviewed had failed to recover.[124][129][132]

At meetings in Vancouver during 1947, newspaper reporters discovered that one young girl had been in Branham's prayer lines in multiple cities posing as a cripple, but rising to walk after Branham pronounced her healed each time. An investigative reporter suspected Branham had staged the miracle. Reporters at the meeting also attempted to follow up on the case of a Calgary woman pronounced healed by Branham who had died shortly after he left the city. Reporters attempted to confront Branham over these issues, but Branham refused to be interviewed.[133]

Branham was also accused of fraud by fellow ministers and churches that hosted his meetings. In 1947, Rev. Alfred Pohl, the Missionary-Secretary of Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, served as Branham's guide and host at meetings across western Canada. Pohl stated that many people Branham pronounced as healed later died and produced witnesses to validate his allegations. Pohl stated that the numerous deaths "severely tested the faith" of many ministers who had trusted in Branham.[124][129] Pohl also claimed Branham was frequently given and accepted large financial gifts from individuals who he pronounced as healed, including those who subsequently died.[134]

In 1948, W. J. Taylor, a district superintendent with the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, raised concerns again following another wave of Branham meetings and asked for a thorough investigation.[107] Taylor presented evidence that claims of the number of people healed were vastly overestimated, and that multiple people pronounced healed by Branham had subsequently died.[98] While he stated his personal admiration for Branham, the troubling number of deaths led him to suggest "there is a possibility that this whole thing is wrong".[135][107]

Churches in Canada continued to experience crises following Branham campaign meetings as they attempted to explain the numerous failed healings to their congregations.[129] At meetings in Regina, Branham pronounced the wife of a prominent minister healed of cancer. The minister and his wife were overjoyed, and the minister excitedly shared the details of the healing with his radio audience in Ontario later that week. To his surprise, his wife died only days later of her illness. The confusion created by the situation led ministers to claim Branham had deceived them.[136]

According to Kydd, "the controversy surrounding Branham deepened" with time.[98] Kydd reported that by watching films of the revival meetings, "the viewer would assume almost everyone was healed", but "results were less promising whenever follow-up was made."[128] One such case was Carol Strubler, who at age nine in 1954 was prayed for by Branham at a recorded revival in Washington, D.C., when he preached a sermon entitled "The Deep Calleth Unto The Deep". One newspaper reported, "Rev. William Branham of Jeffersonville, Ind., prayed for her and assured the heartbroken mother her daughter would live.[137] A week later the mother told this newspaper she was confident the evangelist's words were true and had cancelled a scheduled visit to St. Christopher's Hospital in Philadelphia." However, Strubbler died "of acute leukemia, just three weeks after [Branham] told her mother she was healed of the fatal sickness."[137] Another case was four-year-old Donny Morton, who was diagnosed with a rare brain condition. At recorded meetings in California during April 1951, Branham pronounced Morton healed, but the child subsequently died in October. His story was published in Readers Digest.[138][139]

Similar allegations came from Branham's European campaigns. Rev. Walter Hollenweger, who served as a translator on Branham's European tours, reported that "very few were actually healed" in the campaigns, and the overwhelming majority pronounced healed by Branham failed to recover. Hollenweger said that while there were a few "well-attested cases of miraculous healing", Branham was "naïve" and "dishonest" and misled his audiences when he reported the number of people healed. Hollenweger was disappointed that Branham refused to acknowledge the numerous failed pronouncements of healings.[140][141]

In 1955, Leonard Steiner, pastor of a Pentecostal church in Zurich Switzerland that hosted a Branham meeting reported cases of failed healing and the negative consequences for members of his congregation.[142] Allegations in Norway led authorities to limit Branham's ability to hold meetings; the Directorate of Health forbade Branham from laying hands on the sick and sent police to his meetings to enforce the order.[143]

Serious allegations also were made following Branham's meetings in South Africa during 1952 and complaints were lodged with government authorities.[144] Michael Plaff, a doctor, was pronounced healed of cancer by Branham during one meeting. In February 1952, the Branham campaign published an article claiming Plaff had visited the hospital the day after he was prayed for and his cure was confirmed by medical tests. However, Plaff had died of his cancer just days after being pronounced healed.[145] A minister attending meetings in Durban with his congregation reported that over twenty people suffering from tuberculosis were pronounced healed by Branham, but all failed to recover. In another case, a woman suffering a heart condition was pronounced healed by Branham, but died less than a week later. A 23-year-old leukemia patient was pronounced healed by Branham, but failed to recover and died about thirteen months later.[145]

The Branham campaign published a book entitled "A Prophet Visit South Africa" to publicize the success of the tour. The book related the details of dozens of healings. Investigators in South Africa followed up on the reported healings and found that 46 of the people Branham said had been healed had failed to recover.[145] After reviewing the results of the investigation, one minister concluded "that the cures claimed are so largely exaggerated as to be almost fraudulent in their claim."[145] When Branham attempted to visit South Africa again in 1965, the South African government placed restrictions on his visa preventing him from holding any healing revivals while he was in the country.[144]

Ern Baxter, who participated in most of Branham's campaigns between November 1947 and 1953 including his tours to India and Europe, reflected on the exaggerated reports of miracles in the healing revival in a 1978 interview. He explained that the allegations eroded the trust of the crowds who attended the healing services.[146]

I remember in the beginning of the healing movement, simply to report a healing would produce great jubilation and praise from congregations. However, the cynicism became so deep that the people’s confidence was diminished. Even to this day, people are affected. People began to circulate healing testimonies which, when they were checked out by reputable journalists and reporters, even those who were friendly to the movement, were found to be false. The percentage of healings that stood up after investigation was embarrassingly low.[146]

— Ern Baxter
Some attendees of Branham's meetings believed that some healings were staged and accused him of selectively choosing who could enter the prayer line.[147] Some people left his meetings disappointed after finding Branham's conviction that everyone in the audience could be healed without being in the prayer line proved incorrect.[147] Branham generally attributed the failure of supplicants to receive healing to their lack of faith.[148] According to Pohl, Hollenweger, and Steiner, Branham's practice of blaming the supplicant for lack of faith was severely damaging in multiple churches and left many people who failed to receive healing in despair.[129][149]

Their expectations had been raised so high, only to be dashed after all the excitement was over. Some seemed to experience a momentary relief from pain, but all too many would discover no lasting benefit. And by that time the healer would be too far away to be questioned or to explain. The sick person would then simply be forced to accuse himself of lack of faith, or in some cases, throw his faith overboard.[150]

— Alfred Pohl
The "word of knowledge" gift used by Branham was also subject to much criticism.[125] Hollenweger investigated Branham's use of the "word of knowledge gift" and found no instances in which Branham was mistaken in his often-detailed pronouncements.[125] Criticism of Branham's use of this gift was primarily around its nature; some asserted that it was a non-Christian practice and accused him of witchcraft and telepathy.[128] Branham was openly confronted with such criticisms and rejected the assertions.[128]

Others alleged that Branham's discernments were not genuine. Many people Branham prayed for were required to first write their name, address, and what they were seeking prayer for on prayer cards. The cards were submitted to Branham's team who would choose the supplicants to be prayed for by Branham and organize the prayer line. Some critics accused Branham's team of sharing prayer card information with Branham before he began his prayer lines.
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In fact some Christian author activist Hank Hanegraaff, rejected the entire healing revival as a hoax and condemned the movement as cult in his 1997 book Counterfeit Revival. Even his own guys know he's a scammer, except Pastor RoyalDiadems, the maga grin
Quite an interesting guy, aint it? grin cheesy
Omo the guy na SCAMMER
About Benson Idahosa, I got this…
A claim made by Idahosa that he had raised eight people from grin the dead was dropped when challenged by the Advertising Standards Authority, who sought evidence that the individuals concerned had in fact been dead
Again, do u see how these scammers get slippery when asked for evidence? Na only Pastor RoyalDiadems and some mumu dem dey scam grin
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 11:06pm On Sep 20, 2022
jaephoenix:
Sorry bro. Churches keep track of 'testimonies'. I'm sure u have seen church bulletins where they list out testimonies of their members, though oddly enough, they don't put their names. Which is smart cos they know they would be found out if they did. Since they have the time to record the testimony in detail, what stops them from getting the details of the testifiers? Doesn't it sound odd in your ear?
About Bonkke, I gave you the story of one his the men he 'resurrected' which turned out to be a scam. So if they don't keep track, how did they get his name?
I gave you the names of born again Christian celebrities who have all sorts of afflictions, but aren't healed. You keep on dodging that topic grin cheesy
Its easy for your con men to convince us they heal by healing those people. That kind of miracle doesn't require checking up cos everyone know them. But guess what, they still are blind, crippled, deaf etc despite billions of billions of miracles happening everyday. cheesy
Marrion Branham was a racist pastor who believed in Serpent Seed, which believes that the Serpent mated with Eve and gave birth to the black race, including you. grin . I got the following clips….

[b]Throughout his healing revivals, Branham was accused of committing fraud by investigative news reporters, fellow ministers, host churches, and governmental agencies. Numerous people pronounced healed died shortly thereafter, investigators discovered evidence suggesting miracles may have been staged, and Branham was found to have significantly embellished and falsified numerous stories he presented to his audiences as fact. Branham faced legal problems as a result of his practices. The governments of South Africa and Norway intervened in order to stop his healing campaigns in their countries. In the United States, Branham was charged with tax evasion for failing to account for the donations received through his ministry; admitting his liability, he settled the case out of court. The news media has linked Branham to multiple notorious figures. Branham was baptized and ordained a minister by Roy Davis, the National Imperial Wizard (leader) of the Ku Klux Klan; the two men maintained a lifelong relationship. Branham helped launch and popularize the ministry of Jim Jones. Paul Schäfer, Robert Martin Gumbura, Leo Mercer, and other followers of William Branham's teachings have regularly been in the news due to the serious crimes which they committed. Followers of Branham's teachings in Colonia Dignidad were portrayed in the 2015 film Colonia. To his American audiences, Branham claimed several high profile events occurred during his international tours. Branham claimed to visit and pray for King George VI while en route to Finland in 1950. He claimed the king was healed through his prayers. Researchers found no evidence that Branham ever met King George; King George was chronically ill and died about a year after Branham claimed to heal him.[114][121]

Branham also claimed to pray for and heal the granddaughter of Florence Nightingale at a London airport. Branham's campaign produced photos of an emaciated woman who they claimed to be Nightingale's granddaughter. However, Florence Nightingale never married and had no children or grandchildren. Investigators of Branham's claim were unable to identify the woman in the photograph.[122]

Branham similarly claimed to pray for King Gustaf V while in Sweden in April 1950. Investigators found no evidence for the meeting; King Gustaf V died in October 1950. Branham claimed to stop in Egypt in 1954 while en route to India to meet with King Farouk; however Farouk had been deposed in 1952 and was not living in Egypt at the time. Branham claimed to visit the grave of Buddha while in India, however Buddha was cremated and has no grave. In total, critics of Branham identified many claims which appeared to be false when investigated. Weaver accused Branham of major embellishments.
Branham faced criticism and opposition from the early days of the healing revival, and he was repeatedly accused of fraud throughout his ministry.[124] According to historian Ronald Kydd, Branham evoked strong opinions from people with whom he came into contact; "most people either loved him or hated him".[125][126] Kydd stated that it "is impossible to get even an approximate number of people healed in Branham's ministry."[127] No consistent record of follow-ups of the healing claims were made, making analysis of many claims difficult to subsequent researchers.[128][129] Additionally, Branham's procedures made verification difficult at the time of his revivals. Branham believed in positive confession. He required supplicants to claim to be healed to demonstrate their faith, even if they were still experiencing symptoms. He frequently told supplicants to expect their symptoms to remain for several days after their healing. This led to people professing to be healed at the meetings, while still suffering from the condition. Only follow up after Branham's waiting period had passed could ascertain the result of the healing.[128][129]


A 1947 Vancouver Sun Headline about Branham Campaign
From the early days of the healing revival, Branham received overwhelmingly unfavorable coverage in the news media, which was often quite critical.[112] At his June 1947 revivals in Vandalia, Illinois, the local news reported that Beck Walker, a man who was deaf and mute from birth, was pronounced healed but failed to recover. Branham claimed Walker failed to recover his hearing because he had disobeyed Branham's instruction to stop smoking cigarettes. Branham was lambasted by critics who asked how it was possible the deaf man could have heard his command to stop smoking.[130]

At his 1947 meetings in Winnipeg, Branham claimed to have raised a young man from the dead at a Jeffersonville funeral parlor. Branham's sensational claim was reported in the news in the United States and Canada, leading to a news media investigation to identify the funeral home and the individual raised from the dead. Reporters subsequently found no evidence of a resurrection; no funeral parlor in the city corroborated the story.[131] The same year the news media in Winnipeg publicized Branham's cases of failed healing. In response, the churches which hosted Branham's campaign conducted independent follow-up interviews with people Branham pronounced healed to gather testimonies which they could use to counter the negative press. To their surprise, their investigation failed to confirm any cases of actual healing; every person they interviewed had failed to recover.[124][129][132]

At meetings in Vancouver during 1947, newspaper reporters discovered that one young girl had been in Branham's prayer lines in multiple cities posing as a cripple, but rising to walk after Branham pronounced her healed each time. An investigative reporter suspected Branham had staged the miracle. Reporters at the meeting also attempted to follow up on the case of a Calgary woman pronounced healed by Branham who had died shortly after he left the city. Reporters attempted to confront Branham over these issues, but Branham refused to be interviewed.[133]

Branham was also accused of fraud by fellow ministers and churches that hosted his meetings. In 1947, Rev. Alfred Pohl, the Missionary-Secretary of Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, served as Branham's guide and host at meetings across western Canada. Pohl stated that many people Branham pronounced as healed later died and produced witnesses to validate his allegations. Pohl stated that the numerous deaths "severely tested the faith" of many ministers who had trusted in Branham.[124][129] Pohl also claimed Branham was frequently given and accepted large financial gifts from individuals who he pronounced as healed, including those who subsequently died.[134]

In 1948, W. J. Taylor, a district superintendent with the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, raised concerns again following another wave of Branham meetings and asked for a thorough investigation.[107] Taylor presented evidence that claims of the number of people healed were vastly overestimated, and that multiple people pronounced healed by Branham had subsequently died.[98] While he stated his personal admiration for Branham, the troubling number of deaths led him to suggest "there is a possibility that this whole thing is wrong".[135][107]

Churches in Canada continued to experience crises following Branham campaign meetings as they attempted to explain the numerous failed healings to their congregations.[129] At meetings in Regina, Branham pronounced the wife of a prominent minister healed of cancer. The minister and his wife were overjoyed, and the minister excitedly shared the details of the healing with his radio audience in Ontario later that week. To his surprise, his wife died only days later of her illness. The confusion created by the situation led ministers to claim Branham had deceived them.[136]

According to Kydd, "the controversy surrounding Branham deepened" with time.[98] Kydd reported that by watching films of the revival meetings, "the viewer would assume almost everyone was healed", but "results were less promising whenever follow-up was made."[128] One such case was Carol Strubler, who at age nine in 1954 was prayed for by Branham at a recorded revival in Washington, D.C., when he preached a sermon entitled "The Deep Calleth Unto The Deep". One newspaper reported, "Rev. William Branham of Jeffersonville, Ind., prayed for her and assured the heartbroken mother her daughter would live.[137] A week later the mother told this newspaper she was confident the evangelist's words were true and had cancelled a scheduled visit to St. Christopher's Hospital in Philadelphia." However, Strubbler died "of acute leukemia, just three weeks after [Branham] told her mother she was healed of the fatal sickness."[137] Another case was four-year-old Donny Morton, who was diagnosed with a rare brain condition. At recorded meetings in California during April 1951, Branham pronounced Morton healed, but the child subsequently died in October. His story was published in Readers Digest.[138][139]

Similar allegations came from Branham's European campaigns. Rev. Walter Hollenweger, who served as a translator on Branham's European tours, reported that "very few were actually healed" in the campaigns, and the overwhelming majority pronounced healed by Branham failed to recover. Hollenweger said that while there were a few "well-attested cases of miraculous healing", Branham was "naïve" and "dishonest" and misled his audiences when he reported the number of people healed. Hollenweger was disappointed that Branham refused to acknowledge the numerous failed pronouncements of healings.[140][141]

In 1955, Leonard Steiner, pastor of a Pentecostal church in Zurich Switzerland that hosted a Branham meeting reported cases of failed healing and the negative consequences for members of his congregation.[142] Allegations in Norway led authorities to limit Branham's ability to hold meetings; the Directorate of Health forbade Branham from laying hands on the sick and sent police to his meetings to enforce the order.[143]

Serious allegations also were made following Branham's meetings in South Africa during 1952 and complaints were lodged with government authorities.[144] Michael Plaff, a doctor, was pronounced healed of cancer by Branham during one meeting. In February 1952, the Branham campaign published an article claiming Plaff had visited the hospital the day after he was prayed for and his cure was confirmed by medical tests. However, Plaff had died of his cancer just days after being pronounced healed.[145] A minister attending meetings in Durban with his congregation reported that over twenty people suffering from tuberculosis were pronounced healed by Branham, but all failed to recover. In another case, a woman suffering a heart condition was pronounced healed by Branham, but died less than a week later. A 23-year-old leukemia patient was pronounced healed by Branham, but failed to recover and died about thirteen months later.[145]

The Branham campaign published a book entitled "A Prophet Visit South Africa" to publicize the success of the tour. The book related the details of dozens of healings. Investigators in South Africa followed up on the reported healings and found that 46 of the people Branham said had been healed had failed to recover.[145] After reviewing the results of the investigation, one minister concluded "that the cures claimed are so largely exaggerated as to be almost fraudulent in their claim."[145] When Branham attempted to visit South Africa again in 1965, the South African government placed restrictions on his visa preventing him from holding any healing revivals while he was in the country.[144]

Ern Baxter, who participated in most of Branham's campaigns between November 1947 and 1953 including his tours to India and Europe, reflected on the exaggerated reports of miracles in the healing revival in a 1978 interview. He explained that the allegations eroded the trust of the crowds who attended the healing services.[146]

I remember in the beginning of the healing movement, simply to report a healing would produce great jubilation and praise from congregations. However, the cynicism became so deep that the people’s confidence was diminished. Even to this day, people are affected. People began to circulate healing testimonies which, when they were checked out by reputable journalists and reporters, even those who were friendly to the movement, were found to be false. The percentage of healings that stood up after investigation was embarrassingly low.[146]

— Ern Baxter
Some attendees of Branham's meetings believed that some healings were staged and accused him of selectively choosing who could enter the prayer line.[147] Some people left his meetings disappointed after finding Branham's conviction that everyone in the audience could be healed without being in the prayer line proved incorrect.[147] Branham generally attributed the failure of supplicants to receive healing to their lack of faith.[148] According to Pohl, Hollenweger, and Steiner, Branham's practice of blaming the supplicant for lack of faith was severely damaging in multiple churches and left many people who failed to receive healing in despair.[129][149]

Their expectations had been raised so high, only to be dashed after all the excitement was over. Some seemed to experience a momentary relief from pain, but all too many would discover no lasting benefit. And by that time the healer would be too far away to be questioned or to explain. The sick person would then simply be forced to accuse himself of lack of faith, or in some cases, throw his faith overboard.[150]

— Alfred Pohl
The "word of knowledge" gift used by Branham was also subject to much criticism.[125] Hollenweger investigated Branham's use of the "word of knowledge gift" and found no instances in which Branham was mistaken in his often-detailed pronouncements.[125] Criticism of Branham's use of this gift was primarily around its nature; some asserted that it was a non-Christian practice and accused him of witchcraft and telepathy.[128] Branham was openly confronted with such criticisms and rejected the assertions.[128]

Others alleged that Branham's discernments were not genuine. Many people Branham prayed for were required to first write their name, address, and what they were seeking prayer for on prayer cards. The cards were submitted to Branham's team who would choose the supplicants to be prayed for by Branham and organize the prayer line. Some critics accused Branham's team of sharing prayer card information with Branham before he began his prayer lines.
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In fact some Christian author activist Hank Hanegraaff, rejected the entire healing revival as a hoax and condemned the movement as cult in his 1997 book Counterfeit Revival. Even his own guys know he's a scammer, except Pastor RoyalDiadems, the maga grin
Quite an interesting guy, aint it? grin cheesy
Omo the guy na SCAMMER
About Benson Idahosa, I got this…
A claim made by Idahosa that he had raised eight people from grin the dead was dropped when challenged by the Advertising Standards Authority, who sought evidence that the individuals concerned had in fact been dead
Again, do u see how these scammers get slippery when asked for evidence? Na only Pastor RoyalDiadems and some mumu dem dey scam grin
Lol. I can't stop laughing after going through your copy and paste response.

Every genuine man of God has enemies- the realm of darkness. And they're always out to disparage the work of God using their human agents.

I'm surprised that you could believe all those unfounded stories of 'It was said that .', "They say, they say...", without any concrete evidence to refute the claims.

Now, if you think my confidence in these things is based on what I heard or read, you're totally wrong. I have seen things for myself. You can't deceive me about Bonkke's miracles for instance, because I witnessed some of his miracles live. You can't tell me anything to the contrary.

As for Branham, he made a lot of blunders in the later days of his ministry after he was swallowed up by pride. He went into several heresies and show offs, even proclaimed himself the Elijah that was to come. He was puffed up because of the migthy miracles God did through him. He was forewarned by Gordon Lindday that God would take him off the scene except he repents. Branham never listened. He continued until he died in an accident. But even before giving up the ghost himself, on the accident scene, he still raised his dead wife back to life.

I would conclude that people would hear only whatever they choose to hear, and would see only whatever they choose to see. For this reason, many shall be damned and few shall be saved. Since the world loves darkness and hates light.

Look, I don't practice Christianity of story telling. I settled that with God a long time ago. If there's no evidence of power in practical terms, I would never have been a Christian. Forget it.

I've witnessed miracles beyond doubt. This coming Friday, I'm invited to minister somewhere in Ibadan in a healing and deliverance program. Miracles would still happen there. That's given. God will be glorified.

If Christianity has been faking it all these centuries, who'll ever take any church serious? The fake nature of healings and miracles would have become common knowledge. Till date, people flock churches in millions because they know miracles do happen in those places.

There's a woman who just died of a demonic sickness yesterday. The hospitals tried their best to no avail. After the son who contributed his mother in the cult as cult dues discovered that his secret has been exposed, he absconded from the house. Today, he's nowhere to be found. The woman's picture is here on my phone, sent to me by her elder sister at the die minute for prayers. She died 32minutes before I go the message. Anyone who wants to be deceived can continue enjoying his deceit. When we all die, and we're face to face with reality after death, everyone's eyes would clear. How I pity your soul. Can't you have mercy on yourself for once? Why should you perish, my brother?
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 8:46pm On Sep 27, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
Lol. I can't stop laughing after going through your copy and paste response.

Every genuine man of God has enemies- the realm of darkness. And they're always out to disparage the work of God using their human agents.

I'm surprised that you could believe all those unfounded stories of 'It was said that .', "They say, they say...", without any concrete evidence to refute the claims.

Now, if you think my confidence in these things is based on what I heard or read, you're totally wrong. I have seen things for myself. You can't deceive me about Bonkke's miracles for instance, because I witnessed some of his miracles live. You can't tell me anything to the contrary.

As for Branham, he made a lot of blunders in the later days of his ministry after he was swallowed up by pride. He went into several heresies and show offs, even proclaimed himself the Elijah that was to come. He was puffed up because of the migthy miracles God did through him. He was forewarned by Gordon Lindday that God would take him off the scene except he repents. Branham never listened. He continued until he died in an accident. But even before giving up the ghost himself, on the accident scene, he still raised his dead wife back to life.

I would conclude that people would hear only whatever they choose to hear, and would see only whatever they choose to see. For this reason, many shall be damned and few shall be saved. Since the world loves darkness and hates light.

Look, I don't practice Christianity of story telling. I settled that with God a long time ago. If there's no evidence of power in practical terms, I would never have been a Christian. Forget it.

I've witnessed miracles beyond doubt. This coming Friday, I'm invited to minister somewhere in Ibadan in a healing and deliverance program. Miracles would still happen there. That's given. God will be glorified.

If Christianity has been faking it all these centuries, who'll ever take any church serious? The fake nature of healings and miracles would have become common knowledge. Till date, people flock churches in millions because they know miracles do happen in those places.

There's a woman who just died of a demonic sickness yesterday. The hospitals tried their best to no avail. After the son who contributed his mother in the cult as cult dues discovered that his secret has been exposed, he absconded from the house. Today, he's nowhere to be found. The woman's picture is here on my phone, sent to me by her elder sister at the die minute for prayers. She died 32minutes before I go the message. Anyone who wants to be deceived can continue enjoying his deceit. When we all die, and we're face to face with reality after death, everyone's eyes would clear. How I pity your soul. Can't you have mercy on yourself for once? Why should you perish, my brother?
1. Everyone has an enemy or two, not just your 'genuine man of god'. So you are saying all those accusations are false, right? No problem. So what about the accusations from his fellow Christians, or the restrictions from many countries like South Africa that banned him. They hate him too? Why doesn't South Africa ban all pastors from ministering, but instead chose only Branham?
2. What about the tax evasion and corruption charges levelled against him by the US Government? False too? The guy is even very corrupt
3. Seeing someone jump up and down on stage doesn't mean a miracle happened. You people pretend you don't know what evidence means. What was he before he came on stage? Was he really sick? Where's the evidence he was sick? Etc etc. You know there are many instances of staged miracles, reason why countries are banning them to shield their citizens from the scams. You'll tell me real miracles happen but u ignore the facts that the 'real miracles' like the one from Idahosa all fail to provide proof when probed
4. About this your Branham character, u mean he had enough power to resurrect his wife and yet couldn't heal himself? Lol. You guys take gullibility to a whole new level
5. People do stuff even though they know its a scam. It's human nature. And driven by desperation, ignorance and stupidity. Example is ponzi schemes. Since time immemorial we all can recognize Ponzi schemes but yet people, especially Nigerians engage in it. From MMM etc In fact more people do it. Does it mean Ponzis are real? No. It's human nature. Same goes for religion. Desperate people engage in it cos they feel they may get healing, in the end, disappointment. Then they say 'its God's will, don't question God' blah blah and other bullshit yall throw about
6. Lol. this your demonic sickness ish.
7. Like I said, there are many afflicted born again celebrity christians. All you need to do is tell your scammer pastors to heal them. But you keep on dodging that fact
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 9:44pm On Sep 27, 2022
jaephoenix:
1. Everyone has an enemy or two, not just your 'genuine man of god'. So you are saying all those accusations are false, right? No problem. So what about the accusations from his fellow Christians, or the restrictions from many countries like South Africa that banned him. They hate him too? Why doesn't South Africa ban all pastors from ministering, but instead chose only Branham?
2. What about the tax evasion and corruption charges levelled against him by the US Government? False too? The guy is even very corrupt
3. Seeing someone jump up and down on stage doesn't mean a miracle happened. You people pretend you don't know what evidence means. What was he before he came on stage? Was he really sick? Where's the evidence he was sick? Etc etc. You know there are many instances of staged miracles, reason why countries are banning them to shield their citizens from the scams. You'll tell me real miracles happen but u ignore the facts that the 'real miracles' like the one from Idahosa all fail to provide proof when probed
4. About this your Branham character, u mean he had enough power to resurrect his wife and yet couldn't heal himself? Lol. You guys take gullibility to a whole new level
5. People do stuff even though they know its a scam. It's human nature. And driven by desperation, ignorance and stupidity. Example is ponzi schemes. Since time immemorial we all can recognize Ponzi schemes but yet people, especially Nigerians engage in it. From MMM etc In fact more people do it. Does it mean Ponzis are real? No. It's human nature. Same goes for religion. Desperate people engage in it cos they feel they may get healing, in the end, disappointment. Then they say 'its God's will, don't question God' blah blah and other bullshit yall throw about
6. Lol. this your demonic sickness ish.
7. Like I said, there are many afflicted born again celebrity christians. All you need to do is tell your scammer pastors to heal them. But you keep on dodging that fact
1. Of course, not only genuine men of God have enemies, that goes without saying. Did I say only genuine men of God have enemies? Yeah, there are enemies even among fellow pastors. The devil can use any willing vessel to spoil the work. Was Judas Iscariot not a disciple of Jesus Christ? Insecure Pastors attack other pastors because of envy. What's difficult for you to understand about this?

So, South Africa is the country that helps you determine genuine men of God? One country out of several others banned a man, and so because of that, he's fake? If that's how you reason, then, it means you agree that indeed miracles do happen in Christiendom. Since Branham was not only the miracle working preacher who visited South Africa, then, others who weren't banned are genuine.

2. I told you how he derailed at the latter end of his ministry. He was puffed off by pride because of the magnitude of miracles God did through him. He began to misbehave and became boastful. So, it shouldn't be difficult for you to decipher that the corruption charges are real, and that they happened at the time he messed up his life.

3. There are those who stage miracles. We know them, and we don't reference them because they're not of the Kingdom. Yeah, seeing someone jumping on stage doesn't mean a miracle happened, and it also does not mean a miracle didn't happen. When we call for testimonies, people come up to testify -"Once I was blind, but now I can see." We take what they say about themselves at face value. What profit is there for an unknown person among the crowd to come out on stage to lie about himself? Does that even sound reasonable to you?

4. Why are you finding it difficult to comprehend this simple fact? I told you Gordon Lindsay already told him God was taking him away except he repents. Few months later, he had a terrible accident. What's the hullabaloo about him raising his wife and not raising himself? The power he uses is not of him but of God. God has decided to call him home, so how can he help himself against God? Your question is baseless.

5. People do stuff even when they know it's scam. Yes. Does the scam not eventually become general knowledge? Everyone comes later to know it's scam. Not some few individuals who weren't at an event but claiming to know better than those who were there. So, how many people call Church miracles scam? A few blind folks who think themdelves to be wiser than everyone else. And where's their wisdom?

6. Since, you don't believe demonic sicknesses exist, isn't it better for me to pray that one of such strike your entire family? You'll have to say a big amen, since you believe it would not come to pass. Or how would it come to pass when it does not exist in the first place. I offer you this challenge in all boldness. Just give me your agreement to declare it into your life.

7. If they're Christian celebrities indeed, they should not be sick in the first place. "The people that do know their God would be strong and do exploits." Going to church, bearing Christian names and giving offerings don't make anybody a Christian. Jesus said on that day, He'll say even to some so called miracle workers "I know you not. Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity."

It's absolute foolishness for a man of flesh to strive against his Maker.
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:23am On Sep 28, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
1. Of course, not only genuine men of God have enemies, that goes without saying. Did I say only genuine men of God have enemies? Yeah, there are enemies even among fellow pastors. The devil can use any willing vessel to spoil the work. Was Judas Iscariot not a disciple of Jesus Christ? Insecure Pastors attack other pastors because of envy. What's difficult for you to understand about this?

So, South Africa is the country that helps you determine genuine men of God? One country out of several others banned a man, and so because of that, he's fake? If that's how you reason, then, it means you agree that indeed miracles do happen in Christiendom. Since Branham was not only the miracle working preacher who visited South Africa, then, others who weren't banned are genuine.

2. I told you how he derailed at the latter end of his ministry. He was puffed off by pride because of the magnitude of miracles God did through him. He began to misbehave and became boastful. So, it shouldn't be difficult for you to decipher that the corruption charges are real, and that they happened at the time he messed up his life.

3. There are those who stage miracles. We know them, and we don't reference them because they're not of the Kingdom. Yeah, seeing someone jumping on stage doesn't mean a miracle happened, and it also does not mean a miracle didn't happen. When we call for testimonies, people come up to testify -"Once I was blind, but now I can see." We take what they say about themselves at face value. What profit is there for an unknown person among the crowd to come out on stage to lie about himself? Does that even sound reasonable to you?

4. Why are you finding it difficult to comprehend this simple fact? I told you Gordon Lindsay already told him God was taking him away except he repents. Few months later, he had a terrible accident. What's the hullabaloo about him raising his wife and not raising himself? The power he uses is not of him but of God. God has decided to call him home, so how can he help himself against God? Your question is baseless.

5. People do stuff even when they know it's scam. Yes. Does the scam not eventually become general knowledge? Everyone comes later to know it's scam. Not some few individuals who weren't at an event but claiming to know better than those who were there. So, how many people call Church miracles scam? A few blind folks who think themdelves to be wiser than everyone else. And where's their wisdom?

6. Since, you don't believe demonic sicknesses exist, isn't it better for me to pray that one of such strike your entire family? You'll have to say a big amen, since you believe it would not come to pass. Or how would it come to pass when it does not exist in the first place. I offer you this challenge in all boldness. Just give me your agreement to declare it into your life.

7. If they're Christian celebrities indeed, they should not be sick in the first place. "The people that do know their God would be strong and do exploits." Going to church, bearing Christian names and giving offerings don't make anybody a Christian. Jesus said on that day, He'll say even to some so called miracle workers "I know you not. Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity."

It's absolute foolishness for a man of flesh to strive against his Maker.
1. I talked about many countries and used SA and Norway as examples. And u picked only SA. Interesting…
2. Do u know what a staged miracle is? It means the individual was incentivized or paid to lie. So those guys aren't random people. Some random people pop up and lie too. But mostly they are paid in lieu
3. Bro, so many people actually call church miracles scams. It's funny u don't know it. Prlly the reason atheist numbers are increasing, cos people now figure out all these miracles are staged. Have you seen an amputee limb regrow before your eyes? Why do u think you haven't? Cos it can't be staged. From Idahosa, TB Joshua, Oyaks, Oyedepo etc. Not one has healed an amputee, yet they're everywhere. In fact, amputations are so common we have orthopedic hospitals dedicated to amputations.
4. Ok. Yinka, Cobham etc aren't Christians, right? And I guess Deborah, the poor girl murdered in the North wasnt a Christian abi? Na only Pastor RoyalDiadems follow? No wahala
5. Please bro, I beg you. Please please and please , strike me with madness. Make me mad. Just like the good Lord made Nebuchadnezzar eat grass so he can acknowledge he's god. Make me insane so I can testify grin
I have blasphemed too much to be ignored. Leave my innocent family members and strike me. You can even toss in blindness into the mix. grin
[b][/b] I SAY A BIG AMEN TO DEMONIC SICKNESS AND WHATEVER BULLSHIT ROYALDIADEMS PULLS OUTTA HIS ASS
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:25am On Sep 28, 2022
AMEN TO BLINDNESS, DEMONIC SICKNESS, DISFIGUREMENT ETC TO PASTOR ROYALDIADEMS
AMEN AND AMEN
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:26am On Sep 28, 2022
I WANT THIS DEMONIC SICKNESS ASAP. IF U ROYALDIADEMS BACK OUT, THEN YOU'RE A SCAMMER grin cheesy
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 5:18pm On Sep 28, 2022
Still waiting….
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 8:46pm On Sep 29, 2022
Please where is my nigga Pastor RoyalDiadems? lipsrsealed
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 8:59pm On Sep 29, 2022
jaephoenix:
I WANT THIS DEMONIC SICKNESS ASAP. IF U ROYALDIADEMS BACK OUT, THEN YOU'RE A SCAMMER grin cheesy
You shall receive your desire in full measure.
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 9:00pm On Sep 29, 2022
jaephoenix:
AMEN TO BLINDNESS, DEMONIC SICKNESS, DISFIGUREMENT ETC TO PASTOR ROYALDIADEMS
AMEN AND AMEN
You can only claim them for yourself. These things have no effect on me.
Re: I need money please by RoyalDiadems: 9:02pm On Sep 29, 2022
jaephoenix:
1. I talked about many countries and used SA and Norway as examples. And u picked only SA. Interesting…
2. Do u know what a staged miracle is? It means the individual was incentivized or paid to lie. So those guys aren't random people. Some random people pop up and lie too. But mostly they are paid in lieu
3. Bro, so many people actually call church miracles scams. It's funny u don't know it. Prlly the reason atheist numbers are increasing, cos people now figure out all these miracles are staged. Have you seen an amputee limb regrow before your eyes? Why do u think you haven't? Cos it can't be staged. From Idahosa, TB Joshua, Oyaks, Oyedepo etc. Not one has healed an amputee, yet they're everywhere. In fact, amputations are so common we have orthopedic hospitals dedicated to amputations.
4. Ok. Yinka, Cobham etc aren't Christians, right? And I guess Deborah, the poor girl murdered in the North wasnt a Christian abi? Na only Pastor RoyalDiadems follow? No wahala
5. Please bro, I beg you. Please please and please , strike me with madness. Make me mad. Just like the good Lord made Nebuchadnezzar eat grass so he can acknowledge he's god. Make me insane so I can testify grin
I have blasphemed too much to be ignored. Leave my innocent family members and strike me. You can even toss in blindness into the mix. grin
[b][/b] I SAY A BIG AMEN TO DEMONIC SICKNESS AND WHATEVER BULLSHIT ROYALDIADEMS PULLS OUTTA HIS ASS
1. The point is that the unbanned miracle workers in those countries are real. Isn't it? According to your logic.

2. I already told you that some people do stage miracles. I referred you already to places were real miracles happen. Please take up the challenge!

Do you know why some people stage miracles? Because they want to look original.

If you ever see the counterfeit of anything anywhere, know for sure that its original is somewhere. If there's no original, there can be no counterfeit.

3. You see, an atheist is like a blind man who is advised to make you turn so as to avoid the ditch in from of him. But, since his few fellow blind men argue against the advice, saying there's no ditch anywhere; he continues in on his track until he falls into the ditch. Denying the presence of a ditch does not remove the ditch in anyway. Denying the existence of God does not terminate God's existence. So, keep walking on your chosen track. Many who have come before you are now regretting their choices.

4. You shall have what you have desired.
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 1:46am On Sep 30, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
You shall receive your desire in full measure.
Amen grin
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 1:47am On Sep 30, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
You can only claim them for yourself. These things have no effect on me.
Good. still waiting for them, bro
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 1:49am On Sep 30, 2022
RoyalDiadems:
1. The point is that the unbanned miracle workers in those countries are real. Isn't it? According to your logic.

2. I already told you that some people do stage miracles. I referred you already to places were real miracles happen. Please take up the challenge!

Do you know why some people stage miracles? Because they want to look original.

If you ever see the counterfeit of anything anywhere, know for sure that its original is somewhere. If there's no original, there can be no counterfeit.

3. You see, an atheist is like a blind man who is advised to make you turn so as to avoid the ditch in from of him. But, since his few fellow blind men argue against the advice, saying there's no ditch anywhere; he continues in on his track until he falls into the ditch. Denying the presence of a ditch does not remove the ditch in anyway. Denying the existence of God does not terminate God's existence. So, keep walking on your chosen track. Many who have come before you are now regretting their choices.

4. You shall have what you have desired.
Amen. Still waiting…. grin
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 1:52am On Sep 30, 2022
I have a question for you. And its a yes or no question.
You claimed thousands, millions of miracles have happened. Even your fairy tales said hundreds happened in its time. Were those healed all Christians and believed in your god?
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 7:43am On Oct 02, 2022
It's 4 days and more to my acknowledgement to the receipt of DEMONIC MADNESS from pastor RoyalDiadems. I haven't gotten anything and haven't heard from my guy. Whats going on? Is God failing once again? grin
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 6:08pm On Oct 02, 2022
It's 5 days…
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 9:42pm On Oct 03, 2022
6 days…
Re: I need money please by jaephoenix(m): 12:15am On Oct 06, 2022
1 week angry
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