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GloriousGbola:
who is calling oluwole here

take your time

call it aba degree

leave oluwole for the yorubas pls

that self-servicer should feel free to screenshot this post



debate's are actually just an opportunity to win voters over with charisma

how much policy can you really explain in 10 minutes

Say you're applying for a job, is a 5-10 minute interview actually sufficient to show 100% how capable you're? Of course it's not, but interviews are necessary because it shows a glimpse of what you're potentially capable of. Besides, if you're able to talk on anything for 10 minutes straight, guy you go know who sabi and who no sabi.

The candidate representing the Republican party in the November election in a district in Texas skipped debate and still mopped the floor with other.

afrodoc2:
The U.S does not. The U.K does not. Most developed countries do not.

The problem is the Nigerian factor. It acts as a kind of safeguard against a completely stark illiterate with nothing upstairs becoming President. It can't happen in those countries but it is still possible in a country like ours.

I however agree with you that a minimal educational requirement is no guarantee and pushing the standard up to degree level would be quite elitist and is definitely uncalled for.

Are we not seeing stark illiterates as Bachelors degree holders? If you did NYSC you will wonder how some people graduated. Even on this NL see many people who call themselves graduates write or reason and you will see they have nothing upstairs

Our CLO could not write a speech, even when written for him to read na wahala

In my NYSC days, I was teaching Maths, the other corper teaching Maths too a graduate of Business Admin will come to me to solve JS 2 maths for her and she will just go to the blackboard to copy and paste what I solved for her

it was from her I first saw this miracle

203 divided by 10. She used the 0 behind 10 to cancel the 0 between 2 and 3 to get 23

i.e 203/20 = 23

In the season of photoshop and fake news. Obi cannot have the monopoly

https://www.nairaland.com/7344924/labour-party-candidates-kano-using

raumdeuter:
Are we not seeing stark illiterates as Bachelors degree holders? If you did NYSC you will wonder how some people graduated. Even on this NL see many people who call themselves graduates write or reason and you will see they have nothing upstairs

Our CLO could not write a speech, even when written for him to read na wahala

In my NYSC days, I was teaching Maths, the other corper teaching Maths too a graduate of Business Admin will come to me to solve JS 2 maths for her and she will just go to the blackboard to copy and paste what I solved for her

it was from her I first saw this miracle

203 divided by 10. She used the 0 behind 10 to cancel the 0 between 2 and 3 to get 23

i.e 203/20 = 23

America Wonder

raumdeuter:
Are we not seeing stark illiterates as Bachelors degree holders? If you did NYSC you will wonder how some people graduated. Even on this NL see many people who call themselves graduates write or reason and you will see they have nothing upstairs

Our CLO could not write a speech, even when written for him to read na wahala

In my NYSC days, I was teaching Maths, the other corper teaching Maths too a graduate of Business Admin will come to me to solve JS 2 maths for her and she will just go to the blackboard to copy and paste what I solved for her

it was from her I first saw this miracle

203 divided by 10. She used the 0 behind 10 to cancel the 0 between 2 and 3 to get 23

i.e 203/20 = 23

raumdeuter:
Are we not seeing stark illiterates as Bachelors degree holders? If you did NYSC you will wonder how some people graduated. Even on this NL see many people who call themselves graduates write or reason and you will see they have nothing upstairs

Our CLO could not write a speech, even when written for him to read na wahala

In my NYSC days, I was teaching Maths, the other corper teaching Maths too a graduate of Business Admin will come to me to solve JS 2 maths for her and she will just go to the blackboard to copy and paste what I solved for her

it was from her I first saw this miracle

203 divided by 10. She used the 0 behind 10 to cancel the 0 between 2 and 3 to get 23

i.e 203/20 = 23

Wahala.
Currently serving in nasarawa state and i prepare the lesson plan and note for the whole school simply because the rest of the teachers can't do it or can't do it without errors. The principal even stopped me from going to the classroom to teach and my work is just the lesson note and lesson plan.

raumdeuter:
I disagree and I think this is unnecessarily elitist. There are many smart people who did not go beyond Secondary school. I doubt US even has a degree requirement to be president

Someone as smart and successful as Dangote, Cosmas Maduka will you say he isn't qualified to be president?

We place too much premium on University education in Nigeria and to be honest half of the University students in Nigeria have no business going to college but we have this mentality that you University education is a proof of intelligence and the only way to success

There are traders, IT guys and businessmen who didnt get a UNi degree. In many organizations in the US you dont even need a Uni degree. One of my directors na while working he got his long distance Bachelors and was heading an entire unit in a giant organization

[color=royalblue]Cosmas Maduka and Aliko Dangote all have educated people on their team. I don't think they would accept an SSCE holder to manage a part.

And yes, maybe the US or UK don't. But if you dig out their profiles, I don't think any would have just a pre school cert.

A degree is not too much to ask for one to administrate the affairs of millions of people.

Let's not downplay education because of few that got through life without it..

For every Dangote and Cosmas, there are millions that didn't break through[/color]

afrodoc2:
It is not really about coming of age. Most of the developed countries don't even have some of these educational requirements.

For example, the U.S and the U.K don't have educational requirements for President and Prime Minister respectively.

[color=royalblue]We have a large number of the uneducated.

If we don't place a premium on requirements,
anybody with large followers and a F filled WAEC is eligible.

If anyone wants to rule, they should pay the price of a degree. [/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I think Nigeria has come of age to change some of its laws

We should do better than pegging the minimum requirement for a political post as SSCE.

A degree should be the minimum requirement, and if possible 2:2

Ordinary 70k work wey I do for 2018, dem ask for 2:1[/color]

This is true. The minimum should start from a degree for Executive and legislative positions.

I'm disappointed it was not included in the new electoral act that was signed into law.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Cosmas Maduka and Aliko Dangote all have educated people on their team. I don't think they would accept an SSCE holder to manage a part.

And yes, maybe the US or UK don't. But if you dig out their profiles, I don't think any would have just a pre school cert.

A degree is not too much to ask for one to administrate the affairs of millions of people.

Let's not downplay education because of few that got through life without it..

For every Dangote and Cosmas, there are millions that didn't break through[/color]

No president is also going to rule alone, He will also gather people of various intellectual abilities to help

Tinubu knows accounting, he doesnt know law for Attorney General and Ministry of Justice, he is not going to know Engineering for ministry of works, He will still appoint people there like he appointed Osinabjo a prof of law as Attorney General and Aregbesola an Engineer as works

Obi is a Philosophy graduate, Do you think he will be applying his Aristotle and Socrates Philosophy in governance? He didnt even apply any of these to get his businesses to succeed

I am not downplaying education. I support SSCE minimum, but not Uni degree, why must you have a Uni degree if your path in life does not need a Uni degree

I want to be a car mechanic, welder, Actor, Wrestler or painter, Why must I go to Uni? So by choosing these pathways that do not require a degree even though I am successful, I am disqualified from being president because some people went to study Russian r Latin in University and are still queuing for Govt job and Npower

larride:
This is true. The minimum should start from a degree for Executive and legislative positions.

I'm disappointed it was not included in the new electoral act that was signed into law.

[color=royalblue]Thank you.

That minimum of SSCE is just too low for a position that is charged with making laws.
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izzou:
[color=royalblue]We have a large number of the uneducated.

If we don't place a premium on requirements,
anybody with large followers and a F filled WAEC is eligible.

If anyone wants to rule, they should pay the price of a degree. [/color]

Any reason why they shouldnt be eligible?

Governance is by assemblying people who can do the job, Its basically administrative work. A president isnt going to do many of the things that will fix the economy

Under OBJ when the economy grew small, OBJ was a soldier who never heard of any Economic theory before but he was able to assemble smart Okonjo, Soludo etc to do it

All those Nigerians without Uni degree are no less Nigerian than you. They have their own concerns too and its not less than yours

raumdeuter:
Are we not seeing stark illiterates as Bachelors degree holders? If you did NYSC you will wonder how some people graduated. Even on this NL see many people who call themselves graduates write or reason and you will see they have nothing upstairs

Our CLO could not write a speech, even when written for him to read na wahala

In my NYSC days, I was teaching Maths, the other corper teaching Maths too a graduate of Business Admin will come to me to solve JS 2 maths for her and she will just go to the blackboard to copy and paste what I solved for her

it was from her I first saw this miracle

203 divided by 10. She used the 0 behind 10 to cancel the 0 between 2 and 3 to get 23

i.e 203/20 = 23

raumdeuter:
Any reason why they shouldnt be eligible?

Governance is by assemblying people who can do the job, Its basically administrative work. A president isnt going to do many of the things that will fix the economy

Under OBJ when the economy grew small, OBJ was a soldier who never heard of any Economic theory before but he was able to assemble smart Okonjo, Soludo etc to do it

[color=royalblue]You are the one attaching a particular field to a degree. I am saying a degree is fine.

OBJ isn't an economist, but he's educated to see potentials in Okonjo, Soludo etc. Do you think an SSCE holder would have seen that?

Or Tinubu's experience and success in identifying potentials to run Lagos has nothing to do with the fact that he had a degree?

There is a difference between a degree holder and an SSCE, even if you don't give them questions relating to any field. Their thought process is not alike.

Na Nigerian educational system cause am sha. [/color]

larride:
This is true. The minimum should start from a degree for Executive and legislative positions.

I'm disappointed it was not included in the new electoral act that was signed into law.

Why should a degree be need for executive positions if he can communicate properly in official language
Degree is not a measure of intelligence

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are the one attaching a particular field to a degree. I am saying a degree is fine.

OBJ isn't an economist, but he's educated to see potentials in Okonjo, Soludo etc. Do you think an SSCE holder would have seen that?

Or Tinubu's experience and success in identifying potentials to run Lagos has nothing to do with the fact that he had a degree?

There is a difference between a degree holder and an SSCE, even if you don't give them questions relating to any field. Their thought process is not alike.
Na Nigerian educational system cause am sha. [/color]

A Secondary school holder like Maduka and Dangote can see the need for experts to run their business, Same way OBJ and Tinubu can see it

If OBJ without a Uni degree can see it, why cant any Emeka, Ade or Alli without a degree see the same thing

Dangote never went to a Uni I am sure he knows more about economics than many who had graduate degrees

raumdeuter:
A Secondary school holder like Maduka and Dangote can see the need for experts to run their business, Same way OBJ and Tinubu can see it

If OBJ without a Uni degree can see it, why cant any Emeka, Ade or Alli without a degree see the same thing

Dangote never went to a Uni I am sure he knows more about economics than many who had graduate degrees

[color=royalblue]Like I said, for every Dangote, there are millions that failed. Its quite unfortunate that Dangote and Maduka are not on the ballot.

We are talking about someone who is in charge of Legislature, and we are saying an SSCE holder is fine?

No bros.....[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Like I said, for every Dangote, there are millions that failed. Its quite unfortunate that Dangote and Maduka are not on the ballot.

We are talking about someone who is in charge of Legislature, and we are saying an SSCE holder is fine?

No bros.....[/color]

You don't need to be a lawyer to be in charge of legislature. You will have dozens of Law and constitution experts writing the legislation and reviewing for you

Saraki was Senate President he was a doctor,

raumdeuter:
You don't need to be a lawyer to be in charge of legislature. You will have dozens of Law and constitution experts writing the legislation and reviewing for you

Saraki was Senate President he was a doctor,

[color=royalblue]You are making my point for me sir.

Saraki did not just have SSCE when he was Senate president.

Like I said, you are the one attaching a particular field to it.[/color]

raumdeuter:
Why should a degree be need for executive positions if he can communicate properly in official language
Degree is not a measure of intelligence

I disagree. Degree is definitely a measure of intelligence especially academically. Someone who attends a higher institution is well exposed academically to someone who only has a high school leaving cert.

For executive, while they will appoint others into positions to assist them in the running of the administration, they themselves must be able to contribute intellectually. Those they will appoint will be appointed based on their "Academics and Experience" competency.

For legislative, the least we can do as a nation is make sure that those who sit and make laws that affect everyone of us is very literate.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are making my point for me sir.

Saraki did not just have SSCE when he was Senate president.

Like I said, you are the one attaching a particular field to it.[/color]

Anyone can be a Senate president, you won't be writing the laws yourself. Its to delegate people to write it.

I just hate the idea that few of us who went to Uni think we are the only ones that matter or our lives matter than those who didnt.
Just like you have your concerns about feeding your family and serve your nation, the farmer in Nasarawa too wants to feed his family and serve his nation

Point is Saraki doesnt know about law and constitution more than you did after Secondary school

larride:
I disagree. Degree is definitely a measure of intelligence especially academically. Someone who attends a higher institution is well exposed academically to someone who only has a high school leaving cert.

For executive, while they will appoint others into positions to assist them in the running of the administration, they themselves must be able to contribute intellectually. Those they will appoint will be appointed based on their "Academics and Experience" competency.

For legislative, the least we can do as a nation is make sure that those who sit and make laws that affect everyone of us is very literate.

Running the nation is not an academic exercise, It has little to do with academics, And more to do with real life. A senatrs job is to represent his community and table what concerns them to Senate to make laws to fix it.

You don't need a Uni degree for A Senator in Enugu without a degree knows they are facing erosion, A Senator in Zamfara knows they are facing bandits, A Senator in Ekiti knows the need good roads

Those Senators do not write laws themselves. They have Professors who do it for them. Nothing stops a Secondary school holder from hiring SANs to write laws for him to present on the floor for debate

raumdeuter:
Anyone can be a Senate president, you won't be writing the laws yourself. Its to delegate people to write it.

I just hate the idea that few of us who went to Uni think we are the only ones that matter or our lives matter than those who didnt.
Just like you have your concerns about feeding your family and serve your nation, the farmer in Nasarawa too wants to feed his family and serve his nation

But realistically, those that will even get to serve wont be up to 1% of the population.

Theres nothing wrong in holding them to high standard.

raumdeuter:
Anyone can be a Senate president, you won't be writing the laws yourself. Its to delegate people to write it.

I just hate the idea that few of us who went to Uni think we are the only ones that matter or our lives matter than those who didnt.
Just like you have your concerns about feeding your family and serve your nation, the farmer in Nasarawa too wants to feed his family and serve his nation

[color=royalblue]I have not said I matter more than another person.

The bar is too low, and we need to be honest about it.

If a Farmer in Nassarawa feels he can rule Nigeria, let him pay the price and get a degree. For every knowledge he thinks he has, he has added more.

There may be few exceptions of SSCE holders that did well in life, but the probability is low, and that risk is too high to take as a nation[/color]

raumdeuter:
Running the nation is not an academic exercise, It has little to do with academics, And more to do with real life. A senatrs job is to represent his community and table what concerns them to Senate to make laws to fix it.

You don't need a Uni degree for A Senator in Enugu without a degree knows they are facing erosion, A Senator in Zamfara knows they are facing bandits, A Senator in Ekiti knows the need good roads

Those Senators do not write laws themselves. They have Professors who do it for them. Nothing stops a Secondary school holder from hiring SANs to write laws for him to present on the floor for debate

And this is the problem that we keep having, plenty laws that are ineffective because those who are meant to debate the letters of the act have nothing upstairs.

That needs to change sir.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I have not said I matter more than another person.

The bar is too low, and we need to be honest about it.

If a Farmer in Nassarawa feels he can rule Nigeria, let him pay the price and get a degree. For every knowledge he thinks he has, he has added more.

There may be few exceptions of SSCE holders that did well in life, but the probability is low, and that risk is too high to take as a nation[/color]

If you are not better why are you qualified for presidency and a farmer is not despite being able to communicate?

Why should we keep it at Uni why not PHD, Double PhD, 4.9/5 CGPA or an advanced degree in Robotics so we can get the best of the book smart people

Actually many SSCE holders do well in life, Many Uni grads do not do well and are actually job seekers

As long as the farmer can communicate effectively in the language majority hears that should be enough. A Uni grad is not more intelligent than a SSCE trader.

larride:
And this is the problem that we keep having, plenty laws that are ineffective because those who are meant to debate the letters of the act have nothing upstairs.

That needs to change sir.

Ability to debate and prove your point can be achieved with SSCE as long as you can communicate effectively, There are many on this NL who are just seeking admission or in personal business and they write and debate better than people with Uni degrees

There was a guy I wan harass on Chelsea thread one time and he confessed he was just getting admission into UI. But the way he made his argument, you can see he is very smart. Even better than many people who are graduates of many years on that same thread

raumdeuter:
Is ASUU now disobeying court orders?

Yes, they said court can't force them to teach.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I have not said I matter more than another person.

The bar is too low, and we need to be honest about it.

If a Farmer in Nassarawa feels he can rule Nigeria[b], let him pay the price and get a degree. [/b]For every knowledge he thinks he has, he has added more.

There may be few exceptions of SSCE holders that did well in life, but the probability is low, and that risk is too high to take as a nation[/color]

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raumdeuter:
If you are not better why are you qualified for presidency and a farmer is not despite being able to communicate?

Why should we keep it at Uni why not PHD, Double PhD, 4.9/5 CGPA or an advanced degree in Robotics so we can get the best of the book smart people

Actually many SSCE holders do well in life, Many Uni grads do not do well and are actually job seekers

As long as the farmer can communicate effectively in the language majority hears that should be enough. A Uni grad is not more intelligent than a SSCE trader.

[color=royalblue]I like the way you balance things.

No bias at all

You can keep attaching course fields to it. When you pick a good example, you'll still see you're making my point[/color]

GloriousGbola:
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[color=royalblue]He's doing well in life. That's all that matters.

So he would even be better than Tinubu and Obi combined[/color]