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atiku07:
U are saying trash the report was generated from the machine so what is ur point? Ur assertion lacks logic bro ! For issuing 2 reports by INEC shows something went wrong and INEC bundled it for u guys

The report never tallied with the bvas machine
(Inec defence)

garfield1:
Cc agboriotejoye, kyase

9jahotblog, Aiel123

I reacted to this issue here.

https://www.nairaland.com/7339188/osun-guber-polls-there-over#116779750

Was there over voting or notWas there over voting or not...

garfield1:
All will be cancelled

Nobody's arguing what will be cancelled or not. What I'm asking you is how it is possible that PDP will out-rig a sitting governor backed by FG in his own stronghold.

garfield1:
I never claimed what apc gave is genuine,I only tagged you.the tribunal is still in pretrial,the main hearing hasn't started.when all facts are laid bare before the court and witnesses examined and cross examined,we shall know the truth including what inec is saying whether the data synchronized, incomplete or not.whether it happened in the entire 749 disputed units or not...but you must know that if true,adeleke lule..
Rigging can be done anywhere,even in opposition stronghold.over voting does not automatically mean rigging.it could sometimes be by mistake.I witnessed it in crs this year in over 5 units.
Zamfara and IMO are different cases.pdp were not part of zamfara case.it was apc vs apc.with apc out of the way,it was now left for inec to declare the runner up winner with the spread.in IMO,it was uzodinma vs inec and pdp.he rightly demanded the correct reliefs.he stated that he got the highest votes and also the spread.read the last paragraph of the judgment.i even did a thread where I demonstrated how he got the spread.the court were never misled.the supreme court is not an inquisitorial panel.it only reviews cases from lower courts and rules.follow this link for more information
https://www.nairaland.com/6774205/layman-explanation-supreme-court-judgment

The appeal court in Osun cancelled election of 10 lgas and in the remaining 20 lgas,both parties had the spread but aregbe had the highest votes.the court is not the problem,you are the problem,you do not understand the workings of the court and refuses to learn thinking it is by morality..the supreme court has been perfect so far...

Explain exactly how over voting can be a mistake
Sometimes you think like a neophyte. Explain how it's possible for PDP for example to out-rig APC in Borno.
It does not matter whether PDP were part of zamfara or not. What SC recognised is that there's a possibility the second placed will not meet the requirements of the Constitution which is why they put the conditional "if" in there judgement. In Imo, they simply took over the job of INEC, added the votes in contention, decided it met constitutional requirements and declared a winner. They could have also accepted the votes and ask INEC to go back and check if with the new votes, Hope was qualified to be the governor then, declare him. It's simple logic they refused to accept. The lower court whose judgement the SC reviewed struck out Hope's petition on the grounds that INEC gave which was that the result did not emanate from them. That alone should suffice for any sane mind but not our SC.
Keep quiet you ignoramus. If the judgement was right, why then did the SC became the last stop of guber cases instead of appeal as it was before then.

Aiel123:
The court will decide...but I feel Adeleke will scale through
Imo... Everyone knows what happened I blame the PDP lawyers and the docile Ihedioha for their lacklustre attitude defending their case.

Of course Adeleke will scale through. Don't mind this rabble rouser. The only concern I have is if our courts don't start another adventurism by deciding for INEC which document should be admitted or not.
As for Imo, you have a point. But all the same, who would have ever imagined that a very straightforward case, dispensed appropriately in both lower courts will be turned on its head at the SC?

tinsel:
A very lame argument.

Quietly fuçk off!

Healthquest:
has it get to SC? I tot its tribunal

It will definitely get to SC don't you think?

Healthquest:
so inec issued inaccurate bvas rport to APC and issue accurate reports to pdp.

Tell me how inec is not useless in this scenario.


Why will you allowed such discrepancies to exist.

The pple involve should goto 4yrs imprisonment

Stop advertising your ignorance in the matter.
APC requested for the report and were given a prelim one.
The other one given to PDP was when the full report was ready and was given to all participating parties in the election.
Why did APC request for report and not wait like others for INEC to produce the full report if they were not being mischievous?

fergie001:
9jahotblog, Aiel123

I reacted to this issue here.

https://www.nairaland.com/7339188/osun-guber-polls-there-over#116779750

Thanks for drawing my attention to it.
Umahi vs...(you mentioned) is almost as Osun where unsychronised CTC was issued to Oyetola.
Thank God there's a precedent in law.
I appreciate if you will tag: tinsel and maasop

Aiel123:
The report never tallied with the bvas machine
(Inec defence)

Where did the report emanated from ? Lol ubthis ppl see the truth is after oyetola group filed their litigation INEC and their Co conspirators saw where they messed up and alternate the data in the machine and reprinted a new CTC

Agboriotejoye:
Of course Adeleke will scale through. Don't mind this rabble rouser. The only concern I have is if our courts don't start another adventurism by deciding for INEC which document should be admitted or not.
As for Imo, you have a point. But all the same, who would have ever imagined that a very straightforward case, dispensed appropriately in both lower courts will be turned on its head at the SC?

@Fergie explained it better...
The bvas machine superintendents the report.
Funny thing about Imo case was that after collating Hope's fictitious figures there was still over voting. And he never produced results of others party in the said 300 polling units ( It was just himself and PDP)
SC made mockery of themselves with that injustice.

IgOga:
The difference between 2018 and 2022 is the new electoral act.

In 2018 if there was overvoting or discrepancies in result the law says Inec can declare the election inconclusive and do a rerun.

However in the new electoral act inec shall cancel the election of those polling units. No reruns. No inconclusive elections.

APC's argument is that if the over 700 PUs are cancelled according to the electoral act. APC wins...

Inec is said to be claiming the first report was wrong.....but it was signed by inec and that was the first report produced before any Knowledge of litigation.......once litigation was initiated inec seems to have gone back to produce a different report.....inec has to prove that the 2nd report not the first is the truth

And this is definitely as a result of the Imo case. The new law now gives INEC powers to cancel results of polling units which was what the SC claimed INEC had no right to do in accepting Hope's fake results

atiku07:
Where did the report emanated from ? Lol ubthis ppl see the truth is after oyetola group filed their litigation INEC and their Co conspirators saw where they messed up and alternate the data in the machine and reprinted a new CTC

Pls.. I'll appreciate if you refer to Garfield's topic on "will over voting affects Adeleke victory"
Scroll over to the second to the last comment by Fergie,there you will find your answers detailed.

atiku07:
Where did the report emanated from ? Lol ubthis ppl see the truth is after oyetola group filed their litigation INEC and their Co conspirators saw where they messed up and alternate the data in the machine and reprinted a new CTC

Inec is the one to explain the discrepancies in their own reports. If they cannot convince the tribunal....whose hearing start tomorrow....then APC wins....if the tribunal is satisfied with inec's explanation and agrees then PDP wins....it will be left for apc to either appeal or congratulate pdp....either ways it will be interesting....if Apc wins this then inec's reputation will be called into question for 2023

Aiel123:
@Fergie explained it better...
The bvas machine superintendents the report.
Funny thing about Imo case was that after collating Hope's fictitious figures there was still over voting. And he never produced results of others party in the said 300 polling units ( It was just himself and PDP)
SC made mockery of themselves with that injustice.

Don't underestimate our courts especially SC when they went to start their thing.
Before you know, they'll claim it was the intendment of the electoral act that the BVAS report supersede any other report.
In Imo, they claimed it was the intendment of the Constitution that the result sheet with the police should be the decider in a case where there's contention over authenticity of results. One then begins to wonder what exactly is the job of INEC and why it's not the police that declare results of elections. Just imagine!! Same police that the Constitution says reports to the president!!

IgOga:
Inec is the one to explain the discrepancies in their own reports. If they cannot convince the tribunal....whose hearing start tomorrow....then APC wins....if the tribunal is satisfied with inec's explanation and agrees then PDP wins....it will be left for apc to either appeal or congratulate pdp....either ways it will be interesting....if Apc wins this then inec's reputation will be called into question for 2023

What I still don't understand if why APC members want INEC to have a soiled reputation before 2023. You're not the first APC member I know who has been casting doubts and aspersions on INEC who have been trying their best to sanitize our electoral process.
What exactly are you guys afraid of with INEC?

Aiel123:
@Fergie explained it better...
The bvas machine superintendents the report.
Funny thing about Imo case was that after collating Hope's fictitious figures there was still over voting. And he never produced results of others party in the said 300 polling units ( It was just himself and PDP)
SC made mockery of themselves with that injustice.

Fergie's explanation na high court o. It never reach SC where the masters at confusion reside.

Agboriotejoye:
Don't underestimate our courts especially SC when they went to start their thing.
Before you know, they'll claim it was the intendment of the electoral act that the BVAS report supersede any other report.
In Imo, they claimed it was the intendment of the Constitution that the result sheet with the police should be the decider in a case where there's contention over authenticity of results. One then begins to wonder what exactly is the job of INEC and why it's not the police that declare results of elections. Just imagine!! Same police that the Constitution says reports to the president!!

No..Inec laws is clear on this but I still believe the SC can twist the constitution as they like.
In all PDP and Adeleke should follow this case judiciously.
I feel it's time PDP headquarters unleash every form of conceivable support to Osun PDP and not leave them to their fate. Not that petty and ego fight on AYU.It is time to defend their mandate

Aiel123:
In the bvas machine, over voting only affects 6 polling units.( Inec& Adeleke defence)

At least there is over voting.we would soon know the extent

Agboriotejoye:
Fergie's explanation na high court o. It never reach SC where the masters at confusion reside.

Tanko has resigned na there's a new judge who I believe won't want to spoil his reputation too early.
Fergie made mentioned of Umahi vs one petitioner it was up to the supreme court (Card reader report that was untidy and completed,same thing as Osun Oyetola's unsychronised CTC)

Agboriotejoye:
Nobody's arguing what will be cancelled or not. What I'm asking you is how it is possible that PDP will out-rig a sitting governor backed by FG in his own stronghold.

In nigeria,anything is possible..Osun is a 50 50 state,both parties are equally matched so rigging is very difficult.yorubaland is the hardest place to rig

fergie001:
9jahotblog, Aiel123

I reacted to this issue here.

https://www.nairaland.com/7339188/osun-guber-polls-there-over#116779750

It has been overtaken by new events.

garfield1:
At least there is over voting.we would soon know the extent

Yes there was over voting... It's up to Oyetola to prove his case.
Very soon the outcome we'll see.

garfield1:
It has been overtaken by new events.

How?
Care to explain?

Agboriotejoye:
Explain exactly how over voting can be a mistake
Sometimes you think like a neophyte. Explain how it's possible for PDP for example to out-rig APC in Borno.
It does not matter whether PDP were part of zamfara or not. What SC recognised is that there's a possibility the second placed will not meet the requirements of the Constitution which is why they put the conditional "if" in there judgement. In Imo, they simply took over the job of INEC, added the votes in contention, decided it met constitutional requirements and declared a winner. They could have also accepted the votes and ask INEC to go back and check if with the new votes, Hope was qualified to be the governor then, declare him. It's simple logic they refused to accept. The lower court whose judgement the SC reviewed struck out Hope's petition on the grounds that INEC gave which was that the result did not emanate from them. That alone should suffice for any sane mind but not our SC.
Keep quiet you ignoramus. If the judgement was right, why then did the SC became the last stop of guber cases instead of appeal as it was before then.

Over voting can be innocently induced at times.in a crowded polling unit where voters are impatient,some voters can possibly slip through and bypass bvas without notice.you dont have the experience so its a waste kiddo..
I have told you that hope got both the majority votes in 19 lgas and spread before he was declared.if you had read the case file,you won't be here ranting..
Go and read aregbe vs oyinlola and stop making noise

garfield1:
Over voting can be innocently induced at times.in a crowded polling unit where voters are impatient,some voters can possibly slip through and bypass bvas without notice.you dont have the experience so its a waste kiddo..
I have told you that hope got both the majority votes in 19 lgas and spread before he was declared.if you had read the case file,you won't be here ranting..
Go and read aregbe vs oyinlola and stop making noise

Where did Hope get his results from?
Definitely not from Inec

Agboriotejoye:
Of course Adeleke will scale through. Don't mind this rabble rouser. The only concern I have is if our courts don't start another adventurism by deciding for INEC which document should be admitted or not.
As for Imo, you have a point. But all the same, who would have ever imagined that a very straightforward case, dispensed appropriately in both lower courts will be turned on its head at the SC?

The electoral act has made it very clear on appropriate documents to prove over voting which which are bvas,result sheets etc....

In IMO,both lower courts misunderstood the case.I thought you said lower courts misbehavior made the nass to take guber cases to sc? Why the childish somersault

Aiel123:
Tanko has resigned na there's a new judge who I believe won't want to spoil his reputation too early.
Fergie made mentioned of Umahi vs one petitioner it was up to the supreme court (Card reader report that was untidy and completed,same thing as Osun Oyetola's unsychronised CTC)

Lmao, depends on the judges sitting on the case. If other supreme judges say yes, and he says no, majority wins. Pray all supreme judge do normal.

Aiel123:
Where did Hope get his results from?
Definitely not from Inec

Where he got it from is not the issue... The issue is whether it is result sheet or not lll

garfield1:
Where he got it from is not the issue... The issue is whether it is result sheet or not lll

Results sheets issued by who?
I ain't debating this further...an injustice was done in Imo. All sane mind know this

babyfaceafrica:
Lmao, depends on the judges sitting on the case. If other supreme judges say yes, and he says no, majority wins. Pray all supreme judge do normal.

Yes ... that's all PDP's faithful prayers that their won't be miscarriage of justice. Anyway we'll see what the tribunal judgment will be