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Alamkir:
MP for the German Nationalist Party AfD, Mr. Gunnar Lindemann on twitter:
— "Nordstream1 and NordStream2 rendered unusable simultaneously by sabotage.

So that Germany can only procure US fracking gas.

And quite coincidentally, a US naval formation was very close by.

With Friends Like these, who needs enemies?"

Succinctly put. But it's too late to cry. Let them dance to the tune of the music they chose to play. Karma is a bitchh.

Enugurangers:
Please share the contract that both parties (i.e. Gazprom and Utilities in Germany) signed that states the above or even a verifiable website link? There would likely be a clause in the contract that will render it void if Gazprom can't deliver.

Possible. There ought to be some clause. Personally, I don't think the Germans would pay even if there is such a clause.

olugabbie:
The Islander-M is the only missile that has not been shot down in Ukraine so far.

What about Mr. Khinzal?

Segun2222:
same illiterate people will tell gaddafi was a good president

Fact: standard of living in Libya under Gaddaffi was far better than most in the west.

iykofias:
I’m WORRIED that Donbass territories will become part of Russia, this can happen because if Putin has something in mind, he will DO IT - Turkish President Erdogan.

If you were thinking Putin's vow to use whatsoever weapon available to him to ensure the safety of Russia is a bluff, you better start praying that calm should start setting in sooner than later because, Russia has now moved the Topol-M missile complex to the border with Ukraine.

The crisis is gradually escalating.

Appleyard:
It makes me laugh to read troll posts as this. I wanted to ignore but I couldnt.

Yeah, the Russians are so dumb they are destroying their own energy infrastructure worth many billions of rubles. It's just as believable as the tale that they are shelling the Zaparpzia nuclear power plant so they can contaminate the area they hold, kill their own troops and millions of ethic Russians which Russian troops now spend their own lives to save. Only Nazis are that stupid and insane.

Recent events have significantly damaged the overall prospects of the gas trade. Once the conflict is over, Russia will still be able to offer gas at very low prices, but Europe, in all likelihood, will not only not want to buy it then; it will simply not be able to. Russia has lost the European market.

Shutting the NS1 even before the sabotage marks the point of no return for Russian gas.

Appleyard:
Perfect! Russia bombed the pipes, to waste the gas they have been withholding all these months, yeah a squad of Russian ninjas with invisivility potions snuck right in front of NATO back pool and did it. Lol, cause retarded western buttniffers says so.

if Russia didn't bomb it, what is stopping them from doing the commonsensical thing of shutting the valve from their end after the leakage?
This will avoid wastage as you implied. Preserver wild life and aquatic lives, prevent disasters but they choose to allow the gas flow into the waters.

Appleyard:
It makes me laugh to read troll posts as this. I wanted to ignore but I couldnt.

Yeah, the Russians are so dumb they are destroying their own energy infrastructure worth many billions of rubles. It's just as believable as the tale that they are shelling the Zaparpzia nuclear power plant so they can contaminate the area they hold, kill their own troops and millions of ethic Russians which Russian troops now spend their own lives to save. Only Nazis are that stupid and insane.

If we apply this pattern of judgement, why is Russia invading Ukraine in the first place? Since they wouldn't want the destruction of their own properties? Why was Mariupol bombed senseless? Why?
Apply your own logic to Russian acts and see who the joke is on.

Appleyard:
Perfect! Russia bombed the pipes, to waste the gas they have been withholding all these months, yeah a squad of Russian ninjas with invisivility potions snuck right in front of NATO back pool and did it. Lol, cause retarded western buttniffers says so.

NS2 had only a day worth of gas in it. 300million cubic meter

NS1 was only running at 20% -30 before Russia even shut it in August. Even if it was at full capacity, that like another 300million cubic meter.

Appleyard:
Fact: standard of living in Libya under Gaddaffi was far better than most in the west.

whose fault is that?

Ibime:
Ukraine are the Nazis yet the Jews are voting with their feet in Russia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIWr8W3JIuI

Lol @ "... voting with their feet in Russia"

Putin is an irredeemable destroyer though and won't back down easily.

gambojimeta:
Recent events have significantly damaged the overall prospects of the gas trade. Once the conflict is over, Russia will still be able to offer gas at very low prices, but Europe, in all likelihood, will not only not want to buy it then; it will simply not be able to. Russia has lost the European market.

Shutting the NS1 even before the sabotage was the point of no return.

Emotions can make people overlook factual reality so quickly.

Yes,you were right that Russia has lost the European market, but not in its entirety.

The reality is that there are no substitutes for cheap mineral resources especially energy, which is the backbone of the EU's economy strength and competitive advantage. Cheap resources and cheap labour are the twin pillars of productivity advantage and market competitiveness. It's one of the reasons many American companies relocated to China, and of recent, Vietnam. It's the reason while some European nations didn't tow the "sanction Russian" line.

Thus, once this Ukrainian smoke clears, some of these countries would still find their way back to buying Russian cheap energy I'd they want to maintain that competitive advantage, which government subsidy payment cannot maintain.

Meanwhile, Russia has and still actively securing other markets, which of a truth, cannot compare to what they're making from the EU, but would at least, keep the money coming in. But same cannot be said of Europe: there is gas to buy elsewhere but at 5-7 times the Russian price. They are the biggest losers.

Closing NS1 was expected. Sanctions are a two edged sword.

But the fact remains that the BIGGEST winner of all is the US.

RepoMan007:
if Russia didn't bomb it, what is stopping them from doing the commonsensical thing of shutting the valve from their end after the leakage?
This will avoid wastage as you implied. Preserver wild life and aquatic lives, prevent disasters but they choose to allow the gas flow into the waters.

The two pipes were already filled with pre-ordered gas. Do some some research and you will see for yourself.

Alamkir:
MP for the German Nationalist Party AfD, Mr. Gunnar Lindemann on twitter:
— "Nordstream1 and NordStream2 rendered unusable simultaneously by sabotage.

So that Germany can only procure US fracking gas.

And quite coincidentally, a US naval formation was very close by.

With Friends Like these, who needs enemies?"

The comments by Biden were utterly careless ones but I believe Russia has strong motives to have done that damage.

Enugurangers:
Please share the contract that both parties (i.e. Gazprom and Utilities in Germany) signed that states the above or even a verifiable website link? There would likely be a clause in the contract that will render it void if Gazprom can't deliver.

That condition looks outrageous to me too. Why pay for delivery never made?

joyandfaith:
you can also search on the internet and see how the Russia mistreat other poor minorities in eastern europe.

in addition to maltreatment, Russia sends minority to die as cannon fodder for the sake Rus ethnic group and language speakers. They disregard Kazakhstan and other Eurasia nations even though of same skin color. The Rus ethnic group are now like Fulanis in Sahel and West Africa.

Appleyard:
Emotions can make people overlook factual reality so quickly.

Yes,you were right that Russia has lost the European market, but not in its entirety.

The reality is that there are no substitutes for cheap mineral resources especially energy, which is the backbone of the EU's economy strength and competitive advantage. Cheap resources and cheap labour are the twin pillars of productivity advantage and market competitiveness. It's one of the reasons many American companies relocated to China, and of recent, Vietnam. It's the reason while some European nations didn't tow the "sanction Russian" line.

Thus, once this Ukrainian smoke clears, some of these countries would still find their way back to buying Russian cheap energy I'd they want to maintain that competitive advantage, which government subsidy payment cannot maintain.

Meanwhile, Russia has and still actively securing other markets, which of a truth, cannot compare to what they're making from the EU, but would at least, keep the money coming in. But same cannot be said of Europe: there is gas to buy elsewhere but at 5-7 times the Russian price. They are the biggest losers.

Closing NS1 was expected. Sanctions are a two edged sword.

But the fact remains that the BIGGEST winner of all is the US.

Atleast you are a putard that can stand the truth. That, I can manage.

Diversification of energy would eventually bring prices of Energy down. Obama in 2013 advised Europe to diversify so as to stop Europe's reliance on Russia. Trump also said something similar during his tenure.
Necessity is the mother of invention, now that the 2 major pipeline are out of service, European leaders would start thinking.

RepoMan007:
If we apply this pattern of judgement, why is Russia invading Ukraine in the first place? Since they wouldn't want the destruction of their own properties? Why was Mariupol bombed senseless? Why?
Apply your own logic to Russian acts and see who the joke is on.

I don't have the energy to go back to why Russia was forced to spank Ukraine. Minsk 2, NATO, nuclear weapons, Ukraine had it coming since 2014.

Mariupol was mostly damaged by members of the crazy AZOV regiment, hundreds of locals in the city attested to this fact when interviewed by an American journalist named Partrick Lancaster.

Back to topic: it's still wack to think the Russians sabotaged their own pipelines when they control the gas.

gambojimeta:
NS2 had only a day worth of gas in it. 300million cubic meter

NS1 was only running at 20% -30 before Russia even shut it in August. Even if it was at full capacity, that like another 300million cubic meter.

Fact: there was gas in both Pipes.

Appleyard:
Fact: there was gas in both Pipes.

Yes. 2 days worth of gas at most

Appleyard:
I don't have the energy to go back to why Russia was forced to spank Ukraine. Minsk 2, NATO, nuclear weapons, Ukraine had it coming since 2014.

Mariupol was mostly damaged by members of the crazy AZOV regiment, hundreds of locals in the city attested to this fact when interviewed by an American journalist named Partrick Lancaster.

Back to topic: it's still wack to think the Russians sabotaged their own pipelines when they control the gas.

They already lost the market.
Shutting NS1: gross violation of contract according to some EU countries

"The West always should take Vladimir Putin's words seriously and not ignore them thinking that he was bluffing. Every word spoken by the President of Russia must be taken seriously - this is by no means a sign of weakness or conciliation, it is a sign of political wisdom."

Angela Merkel, Formal German Chancellor.

“NATO will respond to any deliberate attack on its critical infrastructure” - alliance statement

Sounds like someone is scared of retaliation for something they’ve done

Appleyard:
"The West always should take Vladimir Putin's words seriously and not ignore them thinking that he was bluffing. Every word spoken by the President of Russia must be taken seriously - this is by no means a sign of weakness or conciliation, it is a sign of political wisdom."

Angela Merkel, Formal German Chancellor.

Of course.

Like when The US released Intel that Russia was going to invade Ukraine despite Russia's denials.
Let him use his nuclear weapons. The threats are getting tiring already.

Kremlin: Tomorrow at 15:00, agreements on the entry of new territories into Russia will be signed. They will be signed with all 4 territories where the referenda took place.

Poland has refused entry to dozens of Russians trying to cross its land borders, saying they “may be dangerous to our country”. A particularly large number sought to enter on Wednesday, after Vladimir Putin announced a partial mobilisation and many Russians consequently sought to flee the country.

On Monday, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia introduced new restrictions preventing the entry of most Russians. Previously, those four countries – all of which share land borders with Russia – had been the entry point for around two thirds of the million Russians who have entered the EU by land since Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

Finland’s Minister of Interior, Krista Mikkonen, has stated that it will be very important to look at the issue of fencing along the border with Russia.

Appleyard:
The two pipes were already filled with pre-ordered gas. Do some some research and you will see for yourself.

The average Russia assl1cker is unstable.

You are contradicting your own previous submissions.

Appleyard:
Perfect! Russia bombed the pipes, to waste the gas they have been withholding all these months, yeah a squad of Russian ninjas with invisivility potions snuck right in front of NATO back pool and did it. Lol, cause retarded western buttniffers says so.

You claimed months worth of gas was at stake then changed direction 180° degree and said they were already filled with pre ordered gas. Contradiction is hallmark of putards.

gambojimeta:
Atleast you are a putard that can stand the truth. That, I can manage.

Diversification of energy would eventually bring prices of Energy down. Obama in 2013 advised Europe to diversify so as to stop Europe's reliance on Russia. Trump also said something similar during his tenure.
Necessity is the mother of invention, now that the 2 major pipeline are out of service, European leaders would start thinking.

It's easy to talk about diversification, but the reality speaks otherwise.

Even the United States still relies heavily on natural gas and coal to generate its electricity.

While it is great to diversify to other sources of energy, it isn't always easy to apply it across industrialized nations. Check all the industrialized nations of the world and see for yourself.

Moreover, the global economy would not stand still for the likes of Germany to think and innovate even as their economy approaches recession. It's a competitive world and others would waste no time to pounce and take over your market share.


Now that both pipelines are out temporarily, the only option for the likes of Germany is to continue buying gas at exurbitant prices which will not only impact their industrial competitiveness significantly, but will also skyrocket the cost of living, thus laying the potential for widespread anger, protests and removal of governments. To cushion or prevent such a scenario from being the case, the governments must then introduced subsidies in different sectors of the economy, which unfortunately would increase the money flow (which initially wasn't part of the yearly budget) and thus forces up inflation. This is what is already happening in the UK. At the end, it's back to square one. So, either way, the EU is screwed.

RepoMan007:
The comments by Biden were utterly careless ones but I believe Russia has strong motives to have done that damage.

If only you can for once put aside sentiments, sit back and think about who stand to gain from this sabotage, then you will find the answer.

Appleyard:
It's easy to talk about diversification, but the reality speaks otherwise.

Even the United States still relies heavily on natural gas and coal to generate its electricity.

While it is great to diversify to other sources of energy, it isn't always easy to apply it across industrialized nations. Check all the industrialized nations of the world and see for yourself.

Moreover, the global economy would not stand still for the likes of Germany to think and innovate even as their economy approaches recession. It's a competitive world and others would waste no time to pounce and take over your market share.


Now that both pipelines are out temporarily, the only option for the likes of Germany is to continue buying gas at exurbitant prices which will not only impact their industrial competitiveness significantly, but will also skyrocket the cost of living, thus laying the potential for widespread anger, protests and removal of governments. To cushion or prevent such a scenario from being the case, the governments must then introduced subsidies in different sectors of the economy, which unfortunately would increase the money flow (which initially wasn't part of the yearly budget) and thus forces up inflation. This is what is already happening in the UK. At the end, it's back to square one. So, either way, the EU is screwed.

The US energy production is becoming more diversified as we speak. Texas, one of the most conservative states in the US is even one of the leaders.

You are a either a pessimist or just Anti-West..
EU had already laid out a plan to cut dependence on Russian energy by 2/3 for this year alone and further more in coming months. Yes, some people will protest, but the pain will be temporary and they would finally wean themselves off Russian gas and blackmail. No more protest to turn on NS2 or NS1 to continue the addiction. I am glad this pipeline sabotage will even hasten the process.

RepoMan007:
The average Russia assl1cker is unstable.

You are contradicting your own previous submissions.


You claimed months worth of gas was at stake then changed direction 180° degree and said they were already filled with pre ordered gas. Contradiction is hallmark of putards.

I expect you to be more intelligent than the average western asss leaker.

Read and get the picture. NS1 delivery base was filled with gas that can last more than a month. But only about 30% of that gas goes through the pipes to nations that ordered pending the compliance with the Ruble-for-gas payment demanded by the Russians. The Russians were withholding the other 70% volume by cutting off nations like the Netherlands for non payment in Ruble, plus the excuse that the NS1 needed maintenance.

NS2 have loaded gas waiting for its first transit to occur. These are the gas leaking out now.