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Lukuluku69:
So quote where it is said God is coming or sending his son to die.
I will wait......

Again.... An example is Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 33 where God said He will Himself shepherd His own flock gathering them back to Himself and so on. That and many other mentions led the people expecting a Messiah to shepherd the flock.

Kobojunkie:
Again.... An example is Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 33 where God said He will Himself shepherd His own flock gathering them back to Himself and so on.

Dummy, The text was talking about israel and Israelites.

Kobojunkie:
Again.... An example is Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 33 where God said He will Himself shepherd His own flock gathering them back to Himself and so on. That and many other mentions led the people expecting a Messiah to shepherd the flock.

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Kobojunkie:
1. Sacrifice?

2. God's assurance? See verse #18 above!

Ok. From what you poste. Jesus layed down his life and he can take it back. Abi? This he knew.

Then why was he still crying and wailing when the time comes for him to do what he can do?

Why cry and wail to his father on what he himself said he could do?

Why?

Lukuluku69:
Ok. From what you poste. Jesus layed down his life and he can take it back. Abi? This he knew
Then why was he still crying and wailing when the time comes for him to do what he can do?
Why cry and wail to his father on what he himself said he could do?
Why?

Look, that story has been told for almost 2000 years to even you, yet you chose to hold on to ignorance up until a moment ago. Isn't it time you invested time in actually reading through the Laq and the prophets at least so you can learn God's Truth from fiction at least?

Kobojunkie:
Look, that story has been told for almost 2000 years to even you, yet you chose to hold on to ignorance up until a moment ago. Isn't it time you invested time in actually reading through the Laq and the prophets at least so you can learn God's Truth from fiction at least?

These are the books you are seeing your stories from with UNKNOWN AUTHORS?
You the ignorant sheep.

Kobojunkie:
Again.... An example is Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 33 where God said He will Himself shepherd His own flock gathering them back to Himself and so on. That and many other mentions led the people expecting a Messiah to shepherd the flock.

Lol.

So which gathering took place after you guys claimed Jesus was hanged? On the contrary, Jews and Judea was scattered by the Romans. And for over 2,000 there was no gathering of anything until Turkey was defeated by the British who in turn gave Palestine to the Jews so that they could leave the Briatiah isles alone with their murderous intent.

And talking about Mesiah to Sheperd. lol did Jesus shepherd Israel? Instead they turned on him and have him hanged?!

Lukuluku69:
Lol.
So which gathering took place after you guys claimed Jesus was hanged? On the contrary, Jews and Judea was scattered by the Romans. And for over 2,000 there was no gathering of anything until Turkey was defeated by the British who in turn gave Palestine to the Jews so that they could leave the Briatiah isles alone with their murderous intent.

And talking about Mesiah to Sheperd. lol did Jesus shepherd Israel? Instead they turned on him and have him hanged?!

Before you ask all of these questions, you at least need to know what God said of it all in His Law and His prophets, right?

Kobojunkie:
Actually you are wrong! The thinking wasn't from Paul but from God Himself and this through His Prophets.

Recall several of the chapters we had examined before from the book of Isaiah had mentioned that during the time when Jerusalem is restored as God's Holy City, that her sons and daughters will return from all the ends of the world bringing along with them riches from every tribe, language and nation. Well, the reason that is to happen is because of Jesus Christ haven atoned for them, and hence restored them back to God. God cursed and cast them out of His Israel- this He spoke of doing this in His Law which He gave to them through Moses - and so they had need to be redeemed from that curse put on them by God before they could regain their place as His nation of priest. Jesus Christ was God's plan for this from the beginning, as explained both in the Law and by the Prophets.

Kobojunkie:
Look, that story has been told for almost 2000 years to even you, yet you chose to hold on to ignorance up until a moment ago. Isn't it time you invested time in actually reading through the Laq and the prophets at least so you can learn God's Truth from fiction at least?

Baba, that The Great Ra of the Eygtian pantheon was the supreme God was told for over 2,000 years too. And people believed it. Do you believe it too?

And my rejection of that fable is based on fact. Your Jesus was not the first to die for people sins.

Go read the stories of gods in the Egyptian/Grecians)Roman Pantheon and you will come across many gods that died for sins and rose the third day. No be your Jesus be the first to do am. In fact that's where una copy it from.

Lukuluku69:
Baba, that The Great Ra of the Eygtian pantheon was the supreme God was told for over 2,000 years too. And people believed it. Do you believe it too? And my rejection of that fable is based on fact. Your Jesus was not the first to die for people sins.Go read the stories of gods in the Egyptian/Grecians)Roman Pantheon and you will come across many gods that died for sins and rose the third day. No be your Jesus be the first to do am. In fact that's where una copy it from.

As I already explained, no one is sent to add to that which God has already declared for your sake. So it is perfectly Ok if you chose to ignore that which He revealed through His Law of Moses and His prophets.

Kobojunkie:
As I already explained, no one is sent to add to that which God has already declared for your sake. So it is perfectly Ok if you chose to ignore that which He revealed through His Law of Moses and His prophets.

Your moses that you base your life on NEVER EXISTED

Kobojunkie:
As I already explained, no one is sent to add to that which God has already declared for your sake. So it is perfectly Ok if you chose to ignore that which He revealed through His Law of Moses and His prophets.

It is written somewhere in the Bible ( actually a paraphrasing og Jesus words) that prove ALL THINGS and hold on to....... Hold on to the ones that makes sense!

The fact that Jesus knew he has the power to take back his life shouldn't have warranted his crying and wailing and praying to his father. He ought to have just get on with it.

I don't know you, I have never met you but believe me I will lay down my life for you if I have the power to take it back in three days. If that sacrifice of mine will do you any good.

Lukuluku69:
1. It is written somewhere in the Bible ( actually a paraphrasing og Jesus words) that prove ALL THINGS and hold on to....... Hold on to the ones that makes sense!

2. The fact that Jesus knew he has the power to take back his life shouldn't have warranted his crying and wailing and praying to his father. He ought to have just get on with it. I don't know you, I have never met you but believe me I will lay down my life for you if I have the power to take it back in three days. If that sacrifice of mine will do you any good.

1. I am afraid no such was spoken of by Jesus Christ.

2. Loom, what is clear is much of the ideas you hold are not of scripture to begin with. Go back and read the book so you at least separate the musings of your mind from what is written.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid no such was spoken of by Jesus Christ.

2. Loom, what is clear is much of the ideas you hold are not of scripture to begin with. Go back and read the book so you at least separate the musings of your mind from what is written.

Why not go back and read the history of the book you are basing your miserable life on?

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid no such was spoken of by Jesus Christ.

2. Loom, what is clear is much of the ideas you hold are not of scripture to begin with. Go back and read the book so you at least separate the musings of your mind from what is written.

Lol

1. Jesus was the one who said prove all things ( sebi you said you have Barnabas Gospel? It is in there). Paul only paraphrased it. Nevertheless, I am proving all things and holding onto what makes sense.

2. Since you have failed to show me where God said His Majesty is coming down to die or that He is sending a son to come die for sins He could have easily forgive then please allow my mind to muse.

Lukuluku69:
Lol
1. Jesus was the one who said prove all things ( sebi you said you have Barnabas Gospel? It is in there). Paul only paraphrased it. Nevertheless, I am proving all things and holding onto what makes sense.

2. Since you have failed to show me where God said His Majesty is coming down to die or that He is sending a son to come die for sins He could have easily forgive then please allow my mind to muse.

1. I have read Barnabas but as I made clear to you, that which is written in your Barnabas generally contradicts much of that written elsewhere even in the Law and the prophets.

Now, what Particular chapter and verse do you claim to paraphrase this time, let's compare it with that maybe stated by the Prophets this time again .

2. I didn't fail to show. I instead explained that I owe you nothing as far as that which God stated clearly in His Law and the Prophets. It is perfectly OK if you do not care to learn for yourself that which God made clear.

Kobojunkie:
1. I have read Barnabas but as I made clear to you, that which is written in your Barnabas generally contradicts much of that written elsewhere even in the Law and the prophets.

Now, what Particular chapter and verse do you claim to paraphrase this time, let's compare it with that maybe stated by the Prophets this time again .

2. I didn't fail to show. I instead explained that I owe you nothing as far as that which God stated clearly I'm His Law and the Prophets. It is perfectly OK if you do not care to learn for yourself that which God made clear.

1. We have gone this road before. Me showing you what was said in another version of same event. And what was the outcome? You will still stick to the version you holds to be true.

2. I am here to learn. And I have been learning all my life. The issue is I must subject what is before me to sructiny before I hold them to be true.

The verse you quoted to butress you claim to a vicarious attornment are way of the mark. As a student of Religion and Religious exegesis I reject them and they stay rejected.

Lukuluku69:
1. We have gone this road before. Me showing you what was said in another version of same event. And what was the outcome? You will still stick to the version you holds to be true.

2. I am here to learn. And I have been learning all my life. The issue is I must subject what is before me to sructiny before I hold them to be true.

The verse you quoted to butress you claim to a vicarious attornment are way of the mark. As a student of Religion and Religious exegesis I reject them and they stay rejected.

1. As I already explained, I read all scriptures and validate it all against the Law and the prophets. So?

2. If you really wish to learn , then you will have to read up on the Law and the prophets where God Himself revealed all that is to take place as I have been telling you to from the beginning of this.

Kobojunkie:
1. As I already explained, I read all scriptures and validate it all against the Law and the prophets. So?

2. If you really wish to learn , then you will have to read up on the Law and the prophets where God Himself revealed all that is to take place as I have been telling you to from the beginning of this.

1. Good that you read all scriptures. Good. It is a sign of a mind that want to know. The question now is which Scripture/s? The Jewish ones alone? Do you have or ever read the Hindu Scriptures? The Zoroastrian Scriptures? The Muslim Quran? When and if you read them, do you approach them with the Judeo-Christian mindset of God Almighty spoke only to isreal?

2. Like I said earlier, I am a student and will forever be one, if there is a scripture that I have not perused before, what it means is that that particular scripture is not in print! Do you know why I read them? God says in the Holy Quran that He has sent Messengers to ALL Nations/Languages of the World. With what message? Your Lord is One God, worship Him ALONE and do DEEDS of Righteousness. So, when I pick any scriptures, read and find similarities in them. And in all my readings, the idea that God came to kill Himself to appease Himself is alien to All of them except the Christians New Testament.

Lukuluku69:
1. Good that you read all scriptures. Good. It is a sign of a mind that want to know. The question now is which Scripture/s? The Jewish ones alone? Do you have or ever read the Hindu Scriptures? The Zoroastrian Scriptures? The Muslim Quran? When and if you read them, do you approach them with the Judeo-Christian mindset of God Almighty spoke only to isreal?

2. Like I said earlier, I am a student and will forever be one, if there is a scripture that I have not perused before, what it means is that that particular scripture is not in print! Do you know why I read them? God says in the Holy Quran that He has sent Messengers to ALL Nations/Languages of the World. With what message? Your Lord is One God, worship Him ALONE and do DEEDS of Righteousness. So, when I pick any scriptures, read and find similarities in them. And in all my readings, the idea that God came to kill Himself to appease Himself is alien to All of them except the Christians New Testament.

1. I read all sorts before I came to be where I am today as far as relationship with God and I know enough to realize that what is contained in the Gospel of Jesus according to Barnabas should be thoroughly questioned particularly since it claims a relationship to Hebrew texts.

2. Students know to do their research and I have repeatedly asked that you do just that by reading through the Law and the prophets in order to gain understanding here. So I am not certain why you continue to think you are instead owed answers.

Kobojunkie:
1. I read all sorts before I came to be where I am today as far as relationship with God and I know enough to realize that what is contained in the Gospel of Jesus according to Barnabas should be thoroughly questioned particularly since it claims a relationship to Hebrew texts.

2. Students know to do their research and I have repeatedly asked that you do just that by reading through the Law and the prophets in order to gain understanding here. So I am not certain why you continue to think you are instead owed answers.

1. Good. Yeah question it. It is good to do that. I have also questioned the Jewish Scripture as well as others and the position I maintain now is based on that appraisal. But I am willing to listen perhaps a better arguments comes my way.,. But it has to be a better argument not the "just believe it mentality most Christians shove in people's faces.

2. I never demand nor feel I am owed any answers. I only ask questions, if you know the answers, tell me. If you don't , say so. Ko si ija ni shushi se adura kin se amin ni.


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Lukuluku69:
1. Good. Yeah question it. It is good to do that. I have also questioned the Jewish Scripture as well as others and the position I maintain now is based on that appraisal. But I am willing to listen perhaps a better arguments comes my way.,. But it has to be a better argument not the "just believe it mentality most Christians shove in people's faces.

2. I never demand nor feel I am owed any answers. I only ask questions, if you know the answers, tell me. If you don't , say so. Ko si ija ni shushi se adura kin se amin ni.

Notice that throughout this discussion, I have more than made one thing clear and that is if you want to know what is in fact spoken of in the Law and the prophets, you have to go read it up for yourself, not listen to what anyone has to say this since no one owes you the answers you seek. You owe it to yourself to learn fact of what is written from all the falsehoods you have presented thus far.

I had to dig to find answers for myself so I am not ignorantly tossed around by lies fed me by others. That was how I came to be where I am with God today.

Kobojunkie:
Notice that throughout this discussion, I have more than made one thing clear and that is if you want to know what is in fact spoken of in the Law and the prophets, you have to go read it up for yourself, not listen to what anyone has to say this since no one owes you the answers you seek. You owe it to yourself to learn fact of what is written from all the falsehoods you have presented thus far.

I had to dig to find answers for myself so I am not ignorantly tossed around by lies fed me by others. That was how I came to be where I am with God today.

And I have read the Law and the Prophets I did not find any mention of a vicarious Atonement. Non.

Lukuluku69:
And I have read the Law and the Prophets I did not find any mention of a vicarious Atonement. Non.

We have had enough conversations on here, you and I, to establish the fact that you, like many Nigerians out there, are ignorant of that which is contained in much of scripture, including the Law and the Prophets. So I am not certain what you intend to accomplish by this blatant like here.

Kobojunkie:
We have had enough conversations on here, you and I, to establish the fact that you, like many Nigerians out there, are ignorant of that which is contained in much of scripture, including the Law and the Prophets. So I am not certain what you intend to accomplish by this blatant like here.

We have had discussions on here, you and I, to establish the fact that you and many other Christians out there are ignorant of the content of the book they have carried all their lives.

So, what exactly do you want to accomplish by this blatant ignorant twisting of scriptures?

Lukuluku69:
We have had discussions on here, you and I, to establish the fact that you and many other Christians out there are ignorant of the content of the book they have carried all their lives.

So, what exactly do you want to accomplish by this blatant ignorant twisting of scriptures?

Clearly, you are, from even this very discussion, more ignorant of the content of that book than I am. So what does that say of you and others... you are no different from them.

So, again, get to work actually reading and gaining understanding of the content of the book so you don't keep confirming your ignorance everytime you attempt to argue that written in it.

It is mostly those ignorant of what is written that continue to accuse others of twisting scripture every when evidence clearly indicates that to not be the case, as with what is written.

Kobojunkie:
Clearly, you are, from even this very discussion, more ignorant of the content of that book than I am. So what does that say of you and others... you are no different from them.

So, again, get to work actually reading and gaining understanding of the content of the book so you don't keep confirming your ignorance everytime you attempt to argue that written in it.

It is mostly those ignorant of what is written that continue to accuse others of twisting scripture every when evidence clearly indicates that to not be the case, as with what is written.

Baba, you actually understand what you have been reading in your Law and the Prophets, Walahi you would have joined the Muslims in their Masjid.

You will find Christians in their thousand in the West doing so for they have gotten a grip on what they have been reading.

However, all is not lost. You can join them too but first you must be like a child: be ready to first unlearn what you have been fed with ane relearn them afresh.

It is not hard. You can do it on your own but if you need help, just holler @my mention.

Do have a lovely night rest.

Lukuluku69:
1. Baba, you actually understand what you have been reading in your Law and the Prophets, Walahi you would have joined the Muslims in their Masjid.

2. You will find Christians in their thousand in the West doing so for they have gotten a grip on what they have been reading.

3. However, all is not lost. You can join them too but first you must be like a child: be ready to first unlearn what you have been fed with ane relearn them afresh.
It is not hard. You can do it on your own but if you need help, just holler @my mention. Do have a lovely night rest.

1. There are translations in English that you can easily comprehend.

I am sorry but none of your Muslims understand even a smidge of what is the Law and the prophets as it is impossible to sell the idea that Allah and the God of Israel are one and the same deity with even just that, a smidge of understanding.

2. I don't know about that.

3. Stop spwing nonsense abeg and go read the book for yourself so you can rid yourself of your blatant ignorance.

englishmart:
The deal was that he who knew no sin, would die as a recompense for sin. After dying to save the world, he resurrected on the third day. Didn't his resurrection invalidate the deal?

For example, I hired and paid an assassin to get someone eliminated, few months later, I found out the person didn't die after all. Don't you think the deal falling through will trigger a refund?

Would you ask for a refund if the person died, was buried but then rose from the dead?
If you pay for your farm to be weeded only for the weeds to grow after some weeks, would you demand a refund?

Religion is not Arguiment. Religion is FAITH HOPE PEACE AND LOVE.

Lukuluku69:
Of cos they ATE in your Bible but they didn't in the Quran.

So stick to your Qu'ran since you don't believe in an organization of worshipers having the same line of thought, i believe all God's people should have the same line of thought {John 17:22} which will ensure peace among them {John 14:27} so that they will no longer raise weapons against anyone not to talk of fighting and killing their fellow believers due to racism and politics! Isaiah 2:4

If your Qur'an can't do that then i have nothing to consider in your book!

MaxInDHouse:
So stick to your Qu'ran since you don't believe in an organization of worshipers having the same line of thought, i believe all God's people should have the same line of thought {John 17:22} which will ensure peace among them {John 14:27} so that they will no longer raise weapons against anyone not to talk of fighting and killing their fellow believers due to racism and politics! Isaiah 2:4

If your Qur'an can't do that then i have nothing to consider in your book!

Dunce, The Quran was revealed to correct the errors (some knowingly made by men why an agenda and some that crept in unknowingly) . That part that says Abraham fed the Angels, was part of the Jewish Bible. Why not ask the Jews if they believed that the angels ate?

And I can't stick to the Quran alone. Do you know why? Your Bible claimed to have been an inspired book from God. I am a student of comparative religion who seek to see the similarities in Scriptures. It is only in your interpretation of all known Scriptures that Angelic beings eat, copulate, and many other stuff with humans. And the say way you can't stop spewing your kingdom hall babbles is the same way I won't stick with the Quran only.

Capiche?