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Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by bigiyaro(m): 2:46pm On Oct 19, 2022
Whiteshield:
Businesses who do this crumble sooner than later. I've seen it happen severally.
Fire this man and the current staff will see it as a lesson that loyalty doesn't pay. They will sabotage the company till it collapses.
Instead of firing him, retire him with full benefits. That's what sensible people will do.

If you like, fire him so he can get a good lawyer and sue the association of idiots running that company.
you have said it all, am currently planning on quitting my current job cos of the way the owner treats workers, she treats them like trash and it's seriously affecting the company, we all sincerely believe that it's a breakfast that will reach everybody in that company. This common agreement that the rough treatment will reach everybody has wiped out any form of loyalty from the workers and they all make extra efforts to sabotage the company.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Nobody: 2:56pm On Oct 19, 2022
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Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by fxexperts: 3:27pm On Oct 19, 2022
BabaCommander:
It's only someone with the full facts of what's on the ground that would know the best way and timing to do this.

This really should not be a problem, except the reason to fire him is not productivity related.
I always wonder where these managers that seeks advise online from.

You can load the old tuckey with more responsibilities he can't handle,...just make him know he's not valuable anymore. He will be the one ti go by himself.
He will never go by himself; he will just be lazy doing the job. plus, you are very heartless. and have no business running any company.

Originalsly:
Sentiments and business don't mix. If his conscience is bothering him maybe he should find out why such a long standing employee is summarily fired... just like that. Maybe he was stealing big time for yearsssss.
Typical Nigerian, always thinking the worse of other people, blacks don't deserve ever been in any management position.

dazzlingd:
The man wasn’t visionary enough to spend 40 years working a company
You can't conclude that yet. He may be chasing career. the truth is our parents in their 60s and 70s have this mindset of working forever, but not our generation. I remember attending an interview in a black man oil servicing company and he offered me the job, then I ask for the pay he said over 6million per annum then I asked how many years contract, then he said this is not a contract job it is a full time job, then I said for real, what if tomorrow you no longer like my face in your company and you want to fire me, what will be my benefit, then he said in line with the Nigerian constitution I will give you one month notice in lieu or I will pay one month salary advance, then I said your job is worse than a contract job, it is not full time period, I cannot work for any man all my life.. rubbish. our parents don't know this during their time, but now we do.

dublinkmy6:
Only Europeans should handle corporate entities.

My mother worked for Lever brothers (current Unilever), I still remember the party that was organised for her after ten years of service. The certificate of recognition is still with her to date.

I still remember the monthly benefits she received while working with them( staff always got a share of every product o the company).

I still remember her severance package when she resigned.

Now blacks are at the helms of affairs, the story has changed unsurprisingly.
That is more like it. reason i said blacks don't deserve any position in leadership. The white is the best in human / employee welfare.

Wallade:
This move is wrong. Even if the HRM want to be diplomatic with the execution of the directive, the steps to take is:

Recommend his compulsory retirement to the management of the organization. Justify your recommendations with international best practices and labor laws.

If management insist on the staff being sacked unjustly despite your recommendations. Proceed to discuss voluntary retirement notice to be tendered by the staff. I mean that the HRM official should engage the old staff in a conversation, of the record; off phone; without any recording and privately, to advise the old staff to tender a notice of voluntary retirement . If I am the HRM officer, once the old staff tenders the notice of voluntary retirement maybe on health grounds, I will accept it on behalf of the organization and present it to the management with a recommendation that the staff should be allowed to stay off work with immediate effect rather than wait for the 1 month or so notice period.

It is still a win-win situation for both management and the old staff; it also helps the HRM to uphold international best practice. Ultimately, this may be a better way to prevent litigation against the management because if the old staff is sacked unjustly, he may engage his lawyers and proceed to court.
So you are just trying to look out for your boss ass and make the old man suffer, with your cunny sense, you do not care about him or his- family, same bosses who will threw you out as soon as you are no longer needed. I remember some years ago, employee from shell who were retired, die untimely after retirement, then management takes a decision to look for a way to protect them, that is a white man for you, but blacks are crazy
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Wallade(m): 3:33pm On Oct 19, 2022
fxexperts:
He...........

So you are just trying to look out for your boss ass and make the old man suffer, with your cunny sense, you do not care about him or his- family, same bosses who will threw you out as soon as you are no longer needed. I remember some years ago, employee from shell who were retired, die untimely after retirement, then management takes a decision to look for a way to protect them, that is a white man for you, but blacks are crazy
Oga, for the man to have worked in the organization for 40 years, he must be 60yrs and above or close to 60yrs. It is time to move on and retire ordinarily.

Since management want him out, it is my responsibility as a professional HRM personnel to exit him through retirement such that he earns all his benefits and gratuity.

If he gets exited via sack, he will lose some benefits and his gratuity. So you see, voluntary retirement is the best I can do for him since management prefer to sack him rather than retire him. The organization is neither my father's coy or his father's coy. We all have come to serve and must leave willingly or otherwise someday.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by jimb(m): 3:37pm On Oct 19, 2022
it can only be a woman who is behind this order so as to install his new boyfriend..
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Advancedman(m): 3:46pm On Oct 19, 2022
prof2007:
Hiring and firing are realities of corporate life.

Nonetheless, those companies and managers that understand the importance of human resources will always endeavour to treat their workers with dignity, courtesy and consideration, even when they have to let them go.

Thus, the manager or supervisor who has been given the assignment to fire this long-serving worker should endeavour to do the following:

1. Convince management to give some time/funds to prepare the staff for the disengagement e.g. by arranging a pre-retirement course for the staff.

2. Ensure that the staff is given a letter of disengagement that highlights the worker's positive contributions during his years of service, and that expresses appreciation for same.

3. Convince management to provide a disengagement package (golden handshake) for the staff, in addition to his normal disengagement package.

4. If possible, arrange a send-forth outing for the staff.

Of course, the above only applies if the staff was a loyal and diligent staff who is not being disengaged for a serious offence!

@bold I doubt this for the staff to be around for 4 decades.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Nobody: 3:48pm On Oct 19, 2022
StUriah:
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The Managing Director and the entire members of the management committee, after a thorough assessment of your long-time service and contributions as an employee to the progress of this company, have directed my office to instruct you to discontinue providing your services with immediate effect.

The company appreciates your loyalty and dedication to work throughout the long years you have spent.

Please, be aware that the management has the sole authority to decide the period of productive years in our establishment. My office is only directed to do as instructed.

You are advised to submit all necessary materials, including your Identity Card, belonging to the company immediately.

We wish you the best of luck in your future endeavor.

Sincerely,

For the Management,

Sign



[color=#990000]Note that the moment you write this rubbish letter, you will also have to prepare to quit that Fvking job before they send another person to terminate your own appointment too.


Do Not Pity Your Employer - They are all SELFISH

What goes Around will definetely comes Around.
Oga, please I'm not the one o. You mentioned the wrong person.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Nobody: 4:02pm On Oct 19, 2022
Honchoslim16:
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Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Sixfiguresmart(m):
My parents didn't pay my fees to make sense to a minion like you. The only place where we can both breathe the same air is Nairaland.
STFU and stop looking for a way to demonize the old man. You do not know the facts. If he committed a crime, a decent company should have been calling the cops not hiding behind their cowardice to fire him.

You are a poor man and you have no sense even in penury. Given wealth you will be dangerous to humans. Didn't you read the age of the man? Would you feel okay if a company asked you at that age unprepared?

Use your head. His salary is probably not up what that manager spends on charity.

Speak for the poor
MuslimIgbo:
Lol
Mu. Mu...
Nothing makes sense in your ranting.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Starz825(m):
Wallade:
This move is wrong. Even if the HRM want to be diplomatic with the execution of the directive, the steps to take is:

Recommend his compulsory retirement to the management of the organization. Justify your recommendations with international best practices and labor laws.

If management insist on the staff being sacked unjustly despite your recommendations. Proceed to discuss voluntary retirement notice to be tendered by the staff. I mean that the HRM official should engage the old staff in a conversation, of the record; off phone; without any recording and privately, to advise the old staff to tender a notice of voluntary retirement . If I am the HRM officer, once the old staff tenders the notice of voluntary retirement maybe on health grounds, I will accept it on behalf of the organization and present it to the management with a recommendation that the staff should be allowed to stay off work with immediate effect rather than wait for the 1 month or so notice period.

It is still a win-win situation for both management and the old staff; it also helps the HRM to uphold international best practice. Ultimately, this may be a better way to prevent litigation against the management because if the old staff is sacked unjustly, he may engage his lawyers and proceed to court.
You are right....
Voluntary retirement
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Starz825(m): 4:33pm On Oct 19, 2022
kennypedia:
I think they want him fired not retired
Abi oo bros
They want him fired not retired...
So it's a different thing entirely

But I think Wallade suggestions is cool...
The person should advice him to submit a voluntary retirement letter so as not to put him in the black book of the company
Cos once you are fired ...you don't deserve benefits afterwards...
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by MuslimIgbo: 4:36pm On Oct 19, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
My parents didn't pay my fees to make sense to a minion like you. The only place where we can both breathe the same air is Nairaland.
STFU and stop looking for a way to demonize the old man. You do not know the facts. If he committed a crime, a decent company should have been calling the cops not hiding behind their cowardice to fire him.

You are a poor man and you have no sense even in penury. Given wealth you will be dangerous to humans. Didn't you read the age of the man? Would you feel okay if a company asked you at that age unprepared?

Use your head. His salary is probably not up what that manager spends on charity.

Speak for the poo
Frustrated animals everywhere...

Who opened your cage?
What is your problem?
Am I responsible for your miseries and frustration in life?
Don't blame me, blame your parents.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Psoul(m): 4:42pm On Oct 19, 2022
ScamHunter:
Someone has been directed to fire an employee who has been with the company for more than 40 years. The order is from top management and this person is wondering how to do this. Is there any procedure for the summary disengagement of someone in their 60s who seems to have spent all their working life in the company?
COnsult the company's Policy Book.
What does it say about a staff that has worked up to a certain period or has reached a certain age.
Apply it.
I think the best option is to give him retirement and congratulate him for putting in so many years into the company.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by mrpassionate(m): 4:50pm On Oct 19, 2022
Life of a corporate worker!.. What a world we are living in.

This is to even inspire others never to dedicate their lifes fore a company.

How do you even have the gut to face someone with 40 Long years of serving the company?.

I think the simple logic here is that, since the management found it so hard to face the person and fire him/her, or call him/her to face a panel to answer one of two questions, then I believe the person didn't do anything wrong to warrant being fired they just wanted to deny that person of their rights by retiring with honours and lifelong entitlements...

This is very sad!...




ScamHunter:
Someone has been directed to fire an employee who has been with the company for more than 40 years. The order is from top management and this person is wondering how to do this. Is there any procedure for the summary disengagement of someone in their 60s who seems to have spent all their working life in the company?
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Okwuapkunaonu(m): 4:54pm On Oct 19, 2022
ScamHunter:
Someone has been directed to fire an employee who has been with the company for more than 40 years. The order is from top management and this person is wondering how to do this. Is there any procedure for the summary disengagement of someone in their 60s who seems to have spent all their working life in the company?
E no gi better for the company
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Missionaire: 5:01pm On Oct 19, 2022
prof2007:
Hiring and firing are realities of corporate life.

Nonetheless, those companies and managers that understand the importance of human resources will always endeavour to treat their workers with dignity, courtesy and consideration, even when they have to let them go.

Thus, the manager or supervisor who has been given the assignment to fire this long-serving worker should endeavour to do the following:

1. Convince management to give some time/funds to prepare the staff for the disengagement e.g. by arranging a pre-retirement course for the staff.

2. Ensure that the staff is given a letter of disengagement that highlights the worker's positive contributions during his years of service, and that expresses appreciation for same.

3. Convince management to provide a disengagement package (golden handshake) for the staff, in addition to his normal disengagement package.

4. If possible, arrange a send-forth outing for the staff.

Of course, the above only applies if the staff was a loyal and diligent staff who is not being disengaged for a serious offence!
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by galantjoe(m): 5:37pm On Oct 19, 2022
Give him a letter of retirement

Given accloade for his service plus stipend in Form of terminal benefits
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by ufotunang: 6:56pm On Oct 19, 2022
So the management want to fire him so they do not pay his gratuity and entitlements
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by milkySperm(m): 6:56pm On Oct 19, 2022
Wallade:
Why don't you (or the person asked to fire him) discuss the possibility of retirement of the old man with the top management.

It is more honourable to retire him with benefits and gratuity rather than fire him. Or is it that the management don't want to pay his benefits and gratuity?

I suspect that the management want to cheat the old man and make him lose his benefits or full benefit.
The first question should be whether there are retirement or gratuity benefits in the contract/offer he signed with the management.
People should just use their God given brain to understand that most business outfits are solely for profit making and care less about the welfare of workers especially when there are no agencies of government checkmating their excesses against staff. Don't use all your youthful time for another man's company/establishment. Be bold enough to save money and start your own no matter how small you start.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by maramara: 7:19pm On Oct 19, 2022
60 years old or 35 years in service is retirement age in civil service, which ever that comes first, hence you can use that as a yard stick, however let there be proper compensation
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by yemi1504: 7:52pm On Oct 19, 2022
dublinkmy6:
Only Europeans should handle corporate entities.

My mother worked for Lever brothers (current Unilever), I still remember the party that was organised for her after ten years of service. The certificate of recognition is still with her to date.

I still remember the monthly benefits she received while working with them( staff always got a share of every product o the company).

I still remember her severance package when she resigned.

Now blacks are at the helms of affairs, the story has changed unsurprisingly.
Hmmmm. Our non-implemented which have become non-existent labour laws are to blame.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Excellent7(m): 8:20pm On Oct 19, 2022
@OP
This is quite unfair to the old man that had devoted his youthful years to the company.
I know that whoever is directing this wants to use someone else's head to break coconut.

My words to you is to not seat at ease in a company that operates such heinous policy.
You see, the old man's present is very likely to be your future in such company.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Odinakaibe2022(m): 8:33pm On Oct 19, 2022
Why should he be fired? After spending decade in that company, contributing to the success of that company, and building it.
rather he should be offer retirement letter and also get paid by the company throughout his days of retirement.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Ijb11: 9:04pm On Oct 19, 2022
How
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Honestfrend: 10:32pm On Oct 19, 2022
godofuck231:
Let them come down from their high horses and do the dirty work , stay away from an old man's swear , that job is his only hope after that depression and ill health follows
Someone that have served more than a normal service year of 35 years.. And added another 5years.. U just want 2 fire him just like that.

If u try that my bro no be juju o. If that man curse u, u re gone.. Take it 2 the bank.

Prepare him for retirement and if u can't tell ur ogas to sack him themselves. .
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Melagros(m): 10:45pm On Oct 19, 2022
entrep88:
Stupid Management, if they want to honour staff they can do it themselves but if it is to do dirty work like this they will look for who to do it so that nobody will see them as bad.
I dey tell you, God bless you for this talk
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by captainjoh(m): 10:49pm On Oct 19, 2022
ScamHunter:
Someone has been directed to fire an employee who has been with the company for more than 40 years. The order is from top management and this person is wondering how to do this. Is there any procedure for the summary disengagement of someone in their 60s who seems to have spent all their working life in the company?
It's a difficult situation and the person that gave that order is very wicked.

Just ask him to submit his resignation letter, but explain to him first.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by oneMalik: 12:01am On Oct 20, 2022
I like your comment , in fact you've ask a good question .

Now see it this way ;

If you decided you're not gonna work for anyone like me and the other person take such decision too , there's gonna be scarcity of labour , that's point 1.

point 2 is that when you don't get a labour to do the job you'll be ready to value the one you manage to get and even pay and treat them well .

While do you think People earn almost $13/hr in the US ?

If you can't pay then you'll have to do your job yourself. unlike here where everyone is looking for who will hire and pay them and that's why you see one man having five cars and employed 4-drivers to pay them 40k each per month . nonsense

use the strength and skill with your time for yourself and check the result after few years .

Whatever am doing with anybody is strictly on contract . I gat no time for nonsense !

I cannot worth 1million while you pay me
100k like they pay most of the bankers that works like jakie ( 1 person will attend to 100+ people from morning till night on top how much be the salary )

Self employment is the best way to go. that's when you can be more useful to yourself and kill the thought of been sacked .





phorget:
We cannot all be the boss, if we all become the boss then who are we going to employ?
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by godofuck231: 4:08am On Oct 20, 2022
Honestfrend:
Someone that have served more than a normal service year of 35 years.. And added another 5years.. U just want 2 fire him just like that.

If u try that my bro no be juju o. If that man curse u, u re gone.. Take it 2 the bank.

Prepare him for retirement and if u can't tell ur ogas to sack him themselves. .
it sees he himself a an expendable item with an expiration content
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Ifakiland(m): 8:36am On Oct 20, 2022
ScamHunter:
Someone has been directed to fire an employee who has been with the company for more than 40 years. The order is from top management and this person is wondering how to do this. Is there any procedure for the summary disengagement of someone in their 60s who seems to have spent all their working life in the company?
It's simple....your boss said you should do something, you wan disobey loose your job? Is the old man your family?? Better sack am fast. Before them sack you.
Re: What's The Best Approach To Fire This Type Of Worker? by Berrityga: 12:34pm On Oct 20, 2022
If your being paid to hire and fire people then do your job and don't ask us silly questions..
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