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| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 9:21am On Oct 23, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:1. The God preached by Semites isn't a God of Semites alone. So, why again can I not preach the same God as the Semites do? Am I meant to hate semites or hate God because Semites preach Him too? I don't follow. ![]() 2. You keep asking me to research yet you continue to speak from a place of ignorance about these and other things. How come? ![]() Again, every name the Semites call Him, much the same as the names I call Him are all Titles. So what does it matter what they call Him? ![]() |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 9:33am On Oct 23, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:But I have been seeing your post on here, you never talked about Eledumare nah. You have been preaching that Yahweh sent a son to die an accursed death ��☠️☠️. These and many more are found in the the Semite book you called the Bible. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 9:45am On Oct 23, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:I have never preached "Yahweh" since "Yahweh" is instead the name given by God to His Old Covenant Law which He gave through Moses specifically to the children of Israel. ![]() I have never stated ever that "Yahweh" sent a son. So why do you need to push these words in my mouth? I mentioned that I instead serve the Adonai earlier, the name God Himself has me referencing Him by, but you rejected that name, so? ![]() |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 9:49am On Oct 23, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:Baba, don't tell me you are this slow nah. Who is Jesus to you? What Jesus have you been preaching? Was Jesus your tribesman? |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 9:52am On Oct 23, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:Does Jesus Christ need to be my tribesman in order for him to mean something to me? ![]() Mohammed, last I checked. Isn't your tribesman, yet you basically worship him as though a god. So why do you see something wrong in my also not being racist where God is concerned? ![]() |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 9:59am On Oct 23, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:Comprehension issue again. And no we Muslims don't worship Prophet Muhammad like you lots do the Nazarene. If you comprehend and was following the thrust of the argument you won't ask this question. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by sonmvayina(m): 10:04am On Oct 23, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:Kobojunkie you are just confused.. Retrace your steps.. No matter how far you have gone on a wrong road, you have to turn back.. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Kobojunkie: 10:05am On Oct 23, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:cut the bull and answer the question. What rule is there that mandates I worship only that which you associate with my tribe while you are free to worship a man from another nation and race? ![]() |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 10:08am On Oct 23, 2022 |
[s] Kobojunkie:[/s] Irrelevant. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by orisa37: 11:38am On Oct 23, 2022 |
He is coming back to SEAL THE DEAL. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 3:22pm On Oct 23, 2022*. Modified: 3:46pm On Oct 23, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:Isaiah chapter 53 is the prophesy of the Messiah whom God will send to pay for the People's transgression. See also Isaiah 9:6 BLOOD ATONEMENT is a necessary Law of God to obtain forgiveness. God required sin offerings using the blood of animals for atonement of sins. This is in the law of Moses. (Leviticus 16, Ezekiel 43:18-27 etc..) The animals(goat, Bulls, lamb) used were to be without a defect or else it will not be accepted. The whole world was born in a sinful nature. God decided to send his Son/WORD to make a perfect ATONEMENT, that washes away sins. The blood of animals only could cover sins. JESUS is the Spirit of God. GOD= The Father, Word ( a.k.a. Only Begotten Son) and Holyghost MAN= The Body, Soul and The Spirit. Yes, we are Trinity beings, created in God's likeness (Genesis 1:26-27, Genesis 2: 7) Jesus said "I proceeded forth from the Father (John 8:42, John 16:27-28). I hope you can spend sometime to study these scriptures before you reply. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 4:36pm On Oct 23, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:Why not quote Isaiah 53 fully and let us see? I have read Isaiah 53 and I did not see Jesus name nor a son of God therein. So, God was taking animal blood before but got tired and decide to ask for His Son's blood? And in some way, He had to sacrifice Himself to Himself to forgive His Handiwork Transgressions? Continue. There is nothing to study in the verses you referenced. Reading a vicarious attornment drama into them is nothing but a figment of your imagination. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 9:21am On Oct 24, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:The Word of God was given the name JESUS, for the sake of Humanity's Salvation. By that powerful name, the hosts of darkness bow, the incurable sick are healed (The Lord's Chosen Church), evil spirits flee from you people they possessed etc. Read the whole of Isaiah 53 is what I said. It's a prophesy about a righteous man whom God will use as an atonement for his people. Blood Atonement/Sin offering is a fundamental part of the Moses Law. God is a RIGHTEOUS JUDGE. Even in our court of law, the criminal must face the punishment (e.g 7 years) or be bailed by a law abiding citizen. The criminal may have done good deeds to whoever, does not matter. He is being punished for his crime. Now, the punishment for sin is eternal death. And no sinner for pay for that. We all are sinners from birth. 2) If your arguement is not based on the Bible, then why are you requesting to christians for citations in the first place? Moreover, your Allah said you should go to the people of the book(Christians) for explanations. Can you give a logical explanation why Mohammed's Allah misinterpreted the meaning of Son of God, Saying that "God does not have a wife, therefore can neither beget or is he begotten"? Answer me this. ![]() Logjcally speaking, the Body/Flesh is not the Soul. But they are one. The human Soul and Spirit is subject to the Body. Sometimes they disagree (e.g in moral duties) but the soul has no power of its own to put its will to action. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 5:43pm On Oct 26, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:Baba, I said quote Isaiah 53. I did not ask for an essay. Isaiah 53. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 9:41am On Oct 27, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul AN OFFERING for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. ![]() Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 11:29am On Oct 27, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:Good. Now show me from the foregoings where it is written " Die for Sin" 53:4 Grief equals Death? 53:5 What piece was upon him? Again wounded translate to Death? 53:6 I know you guys are astray (then and now) but how does this translate to Death for Jesus Christ? 53:7 Yes he was oppressed and aflicted like many Prophet before him but to say he did not open his mouth to defend himself is a standing LIE. Jesus of Nazareth defended himself before Pilate. You want me to quote it for you or you know it and you are just playing dumb? 53:8 So Jesus went to prison? Abeg quote the relevant part for me. 53:9 lol. Jesus grave was a stand alone nah or was the supposed Thieves buried with him? 53:10 how did the Lord prolonged his days? By dying at age 33? 53:11 What iniquities? See, this is neither here nor there? Jesus name was never mentioned in all of Old Testament Prophecies that you guys dressed him with. If he truly died for your sins as you want us to believe, then he did it reluctantly. The crying, wailing and praying. He knew he will rise three days later yet he was doing all that? To prove what exactly? |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 12:58pm On Oct 27, 2022*. Modified: 1:16pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:You are using me to play Looney tunes abi? Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul AN OFFERING for sin. Isn't it funny how you avoided the bolded and coloured in Isaiah 53:10 to answer the less important? "Prolonged".... I actually bolded that first. But later thought the first sentence was more important to note than the later. The "prolonged". ..... Means he's resurrection to rule Isaiah 53:6 and the LORD hath laid on him cry the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:9. JESUS was crucified among/with the "wicked" (two criminals). He was buried in the tomb of a rich man. (Joseph of Arimathea) Before Jesus' arrest, he warned his disciples many time that he would be crucified and rise again the third day. In Matthew 16:21-23, Jesus sharply rebukes Peter for asking him not to say those words that 'he will be crucified and rise again.' |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 1:13pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:So you listen to Looney tunes? Interesting..... Oga, don't bold anything. It is of no consequences. You see all these Prophecies after event won't cut it with me. If in the Year 2056, in order to prove a Prophecy, I wrote that a certain Leonel Messi would win the Ballon'Dor Seven Times while his closest rivals stands at Five, would you consider that a Prophecy? That Jesus was buried in a Tomb was an afterthought, the Americans call it second guessing after the fact. Who ever wrote that had the book of Isaiah in view so as to fulfill a prophecy. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 1:18pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:The Bible specifically says that Joseph was rich. I think what made me quote Isaiah 53 was to prove to you, God's requirement of blood atonement by a righteous man for the sinful world. Forgiveness can only be obtained by Blood Atonement a.ka. Sin Offering. This is God's law. In the past, it was the blood of animals. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 1:35pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:Leave Joseph of Arimathea (Scholars have been looking for Arimathea since o, Dem never see the village nor heard anything about it except this once!) Na conjecture. So God Almighty is satisfied with Blood of Animals in order to forgive Transgressions? Hmmm. God forgive sins no matter how big or small once the sinner/s acknowledge his/wrong, seek forgiveness and resolved not go back to that which brought the sin. Read what Jesus told the woman cut in adultery. He told her " go thy way and sin no more" The issue of God demanding Animal blood to forgive sin is the handiwork of Priest who eats and get fat from the meat of Bull, Goats etc. Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God's Commandments and God forgave them when they learn words of inspiration from God. The idea that someone or anyone would die for people was a copied one from the story of Horus and gods in The Greek/Roman pantheon as well as some in Egypt. Your Righteousness is on you and your Transgressions are on you. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 1:55pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:Well, you can take a horse to the water but you can't force it to drink. I've showed you Isaiah 53. Any common man with an open mind knows what it means. While Isaiah 53 is just one of several scriptures proving the law of sin offering or Atonement in question. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 3:49pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:Yes you showed me Isaiah 53 but I did not find Jesus name in it and what you came up is just what your prejudices dictates. The Jews have been reading that part for centuries in their own Bible yet 99.9999999999999999999% of them never believed in your Jesus that you claimed was referenced. You can actually force a horse to take a drink from the River, you know. You can make an attempt to drown it nah. Bros, I am a Muslim. I intend to die as one in Sha Allah. There is nothing you can tell me about Jesus that I have not heard before. Nothing as of today. I know the Jewish view of him, the Christian views of him and the Muslims views of him. I go with the Muslim view because it makes a lot more sense than the borrowed garb you guys dressed him with and definitely better than what the Jews version of him So, Shalom Alaikum! |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 6:52pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:At that time, the NAME, Jesus did not exist. I told you this earlier but you didn't pick it cause you lack understanding. And it seems I need to make a point at a time. For the sake of Humanity's sin or salvation, that powerful name was created. Some of Jews have believed when they were shown. Yes many don't. But that's the hardness of man's heart. From my discussion with you, you understand very little about Christianity. Your view is based on what the Quran and Hadith says about Jesus, not what is written in the Bible. I asked you a question earlier. I need answer. Why did Allah in the Quran grossly misinterpret the "Son of God" terminology?? ![]() Another question. If Mohammed is serving the same God as Jesus, why was his commandments different from that of Jesus ?? ?? ?? Example: # JESUS said "do violence to no man". Allah said "smite the necks of the infidels." "If a believer apostates, kill him." etc. Mohammed killed and looted many "enemies". # JESUS said "Marry only one wife". Allah says "UpTo four wives". Mohammed and his companions were polygamous. # JESUS said "There no marriage in heaven". Allah said "the women's vagina are wide and Muslims will have eternally erect penis" ![]() |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 6:32am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:Lol. Jesus name did not exist at that Time? Very true because he was to be born ages later. If sins can be forgiven before Jesus, it can be forgiven after Jesus just as it was before him. The views of the Quran is more believable than what the Bible say he is. The Bible in some parts says Jesus is God!, in some it says he is son, in some it says he is a servant, in some it says he is messenger. Lol. I can one person be everything? I did not see that question pardon me. The term "son of god" is used by the Jews to express the fact that someone is beloved by God or that the person is a Righteous person. Not that God gave birth to that person. That the Jews read same in their Bible and yet did not see anyone as you dolts see Jesus explains a lot Prophet Muhammad Laws are similar to the Laws Moses handed down to the Jews, may be a few differences here and there but largely they are the same. Jesus never brought ant Law. He said so himself. "Think not that I have come to abolish the Law......... Jesus told his disciples to buy swords, he said poeple that don't want him to rule over them should be brought and slaughter before him, he cursed an harmless tree, he called someone a dog and you say he doesn't do what? Jesus says marry one, but Muhammad say Marry four abi? You slowpokes believed you are followers of Jesus abi? He did not marry, why are you marrying? How many wives Moses married? David? Solomon? Abraham? How many? In Today's world it is estimated that there are more women than men, what is the solution to this problem according to your Jesus? The Kaaba is shaped like a women vagina? Really? So your women folks VG are shaped like squares!? Interesting...... |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 7:43am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:The bolded shows you aren't ready to reach an understanding but simply to strive with words. Like I have not mentioned Atonement with animal blood in Moses Law several times. Jesus is the Spirit of God. That makes him God. Your Body is you, your spirit is you. They are different but are one. You didn't answer my question on why ALLAH misinterpreted the term, "Son of God". But began to tell me about Jews. You are unreasonable. Jesus came to fulfil all the law spoken about him. The probability, which is less than 10% for all the false messiahs that tried. I said why are the laws of Jesus different from those of Mohammed/Allah (who came after him). He only told his disciple to carry swords. He didn't ask them to hurt anyone. Could be for hunting, food preparation. His disciples NEVER killed a person and commanded the same in the rest of the books. Jesus did not marry because he came to fulfil the prophesy spoken of him in Isaiah 53 (...and who will declare his generation? For he is cut off..). Jesus said 'polygamy' was allowed because of he hardness of their hearts. But from henceforth, it must be one man, one woman. Why did Mohammed come to destroy Jesus' work? The black stone of the Kaaba is shaped like a vagina. And millions of Muslims go around the Kaaba to touch the Vagina/Blackstone. You are so blind to see how immoral your fake prophet was. God is Holy and no unholy will enter his kingdom. While Jesus said "no marriage in Heaven". Your fake prophet and Allah promises all Muslims an eternally erect penis, with 72virgins each that have wide, appealing vaginas. ![]() You have refused to consider this critical point? Somebody shout "IMMORAL!" It's either Jesus Heaven exists or Allah's Heaven. They are mutually exclusive.
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| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 7:57am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:Oga Baby Evangelist, go play somewhere else. You can try the Market places. The Bus Parks is another place. Let me adress the last part that you tagged immoral. There is a place in your Bible where Moses gave Jehovah 32 Virgin girls as part of Jehovah's share in Moses war spoils. Now my question: 1. To what use did Jehovah put the Virgins to? 2. Jehovah too dey do virgin girls? You are a babe in the scheme of things. I am sure you don't know 99.99999999999% of the Contents of the book you thump around as God's word. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 8:24am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:That's not in the Bible. I dare you to quote where it's written. (the bolded): what an ironic use of words. Hahahaaaa Thank you for your transparency. I'm learning everyday. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 8:29am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:I know it! I told you you Christians don't know the contents of the Book you carry. So you don't know that Moses once dash Jehovah Virgin Girls after a war that Jehovah commanded Moses to wage? Oya get busy and read up. When you find it, let me know or you can come here an rationalise it as you wont to do Oya go and read your Bible |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 8:34am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:I've been studying my Bible for 20+ years. There is no such content in the Bible. The God of Israel is Holy. Your Allah is Immoral and it seriously affects how you think and reason (Muslims generally) |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 8:36am On Oct 28, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:You have been reading the few verses you have been programmed with that why you have not seen it read where Moses dash Jehovah virgin girls. That's why. Go read on your own, you will find it. |
| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by MrPRevailer(m): 7:53am On Oct 29, 2022 |
Lukuluku69:You have no proof. I have my proof. ![]()
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| Re: If Jesus Died For Our Sins,then Came Back To Life,wouldn't That Break The Deal? by Lukuluku69(m): 7:57am On Oct 29, 2022 |
MrPRevailer:So what you posted is how your momma Veejay looks like? Continue I don't have to give you any prove that Moses once gave Jehovah Virgin girls. If you can't find it in your Bible, it shows how knowledgeable you are of your book. And if opening your Bible and reading is an issue for you, read my previous posts. I have posted it on a number of time. Sebi you have data, oya keep browsing. |
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