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Jodera:
one thing I noticed is that EPL have pull. Whether it's the monetary pull or the popularity or both, EPL have big pull.

The kind of players all these average club pool from top teams in la Liga, France and Italy is a testament to that

but not every player and manager succeeds in epl

mostob:
�️| Jesus: “I spoke with him [the ref] after and he said ‘if you go down before maybe I can give a penalty.’ But I think I was fair, I tried to hold & keep standing & tried to finish the action but in the end he grabbed me & it was impossible, so I go down normally.” [@arsenal]

At this rate, if a defender kicks you deliberately on the face inside the box and you no fall down, no penalty.
Jesus needs to stop being fair

Arsenal needs to stop being fair. I think we're getting there cos I'm seeing the traits small small but we need to act fast.

We need to master the "dark arts". Jesus had no right holding on especially when the push/pull was much

Mecka:
but not every player and manager succeeds in epl

You wouldn't know until you get a chance.
So nothing wrong in Emery having his chance again

Spy360:
You cannot be blaming the players for trying to be fair after seeing Saka get a card for going down.

Why must we always blame our players even for other people's inefficiencies. The ref was sh*t that's it. We move.

You are right and I agree 100% that the ref was horrible. However, It’s not the job of our players to be fair, opponents don’t approach the game with the mindset of being fair.

Infact, it is the job of the refs to ensure the match is fair and that is why he is there, not the players. I have seen teams push and force the referee to make a decision in those situations irrespective of previous incidents.

Saka got a yellow, however, that doesn’t mean the other 2 were illegitimate considerations or opportunities. Other teams would have still forced the silly ref to make a decision because there were contacts in those plays.

Roland17:
You are right and I agree 100% that the ref was horrible. However, It’s not the job of our players to be fair, opponents don’t approach the game with the mindset of being fair.

Infact, it is the job of the refs to ensure the match is fair and that is why he is there, not the players. I have seen teams push and force the referee to make a decision in those situations irrespective of previous incidents.

Saka got a yellow, however, that doesn’t mean the other 2 were illegitimate considerations or opportunities. Other teams would have still forced the silly ref to make a decision because there were contacts in those plays.

This is very perfect. We're meant to do our own job of forcing the ref into making a decision, then it's up to the ref to see whether our decision was right or not.

Most teams that hardly complain to refs hardly see decisions go their way at all.

Jodera:
This is another big point.
Tho I believe his finishing is the one that haven't been great so far this season with respect to the chances he gets.

And yeah, his dribbling, one-twos, footworks and dropping deep is what makes us dominate teams. If he doesn't drop deep most times, we wouldn't have progressed with the ball the way we do and our fluidity wouldn't have been there

And yes exactly what is making him suffer and others like Saka, Martinelli and Xhaka are enjoying the benefits.

Spy360:
And yes exactly what is making him suffer and others like Saka, Martinelli and Xhaka are enjoying the benefits.

Must he suffer for others to enjoy the benefits?
What kind of fallacy is that? That a striker can't benefit as well as his other players.

How about he starts getting more clinical than how he should be and he'll automatically enjoy the benefits others are enjoying.

Man had missed 8 big chances in 11 games, I think the only person rivalling him is Rashford. That's an average of 1 big chance missed per match. He missed two big chances against Southampton and a big chance against Leeds but you're saying Xhaka who scored From a chance against Southampton (not even a big chance) is the one enjoying the benefits? Lol

Once his starts scoring his chance and big chances, he'll normally get his accolades. It's false for you to say his style of play limits him just to benefits others.

Spy360:
And yes exactly what is making him suffer and others like Saka, Martinelli and Xhaka are enjoying the benefits.

Spy sef....

His first goal against Leceister and his assist for Vieira in UEL are perfect examples.
Earlier this season, we were able to create a lot of chances because we didn't find it difficult to break teams down no matter how resilient they are. This is due to how flexible our attack was. Remember the way Martinelli and Jesus do interchange. Now, when last did you observed something of such?
The problem is not because Jesus doesn't stay in box but because he has become rigid.

Roland17:
Naaaa.. You still have to force the ref to make a decision. The Jesus/ Tierney incidents would have forced a VAR review because they were more compelling.

Irrespective, it is a known fact that you force the ref to make a decision. If it goes otherwise fine but you don’t leave such opportunities, especially when you are seeking all 3 points.

That's the tricky part bro.
When the players protested against the ridiculous red card awarded to Gabriel in that Leeds match, the team was fined for misconduct. That's to tell you forcing the ref to make decisions may not work at times.

Jodera:
Arsenal needs to stop being fair. I think we're getting there cos I'm seeing the traits small small but we need to act fast.

We need to master the "dark arts". Jesus had no right holding on especially when the push/pull was much

That's it bro. Imagine Jesus had fell in that first half and started rolling on the ground holding his neck or whatever and the players running towards him. The ref sef will think twice.

mostob:
That's the tricky part bro.
When the players protested against the ridiculous red card awarded to Gabriel in that Leeds match, the team was fined for misconduct. That's to tell you forcing the ref to make decisions may not work at times.

Really??
Never heard about this oo

mostob:
That's it bro. Imagine Jesus had fell in that first half and started rolling on the ground holding his neck or whatever and the players running towards him. The ref sef will think twice.

I tell you.
That's What I felt propelled Taylor to give red card against Royale and our penalty against Liverpool on Jesus.

Debunking the myth and fallacy that Jesus doesn't "fvcckn'" stay in the box. This article is as recent as October 5th


Spy360

Jodera:
Really??
Never heard about this oo

Though it was reported that the club is expected to respond.
It's shocking.

Na small small laidis, we go start to hear say Gabriel Jesus dey play like Lacazette when in
reality he's doing way more than Lacazette did for us. We won't actually touch on the main issue(which is his clinicality) instead, we would now want to blame his goal drought on things that he brings to the team that makes the team better like say it's not something good (thereby encouraging him to stop them)

Imagine putting his goal drought on Saka, Xhaka and Martinelli scoring when in reality, he takes more shots, gets more big chances and receives more passes in the opposition box than the trio

mostob:
Though it was reported that the club is expected to respond.
It's shocking.

Hmmm... Na wa ooo

mostob:
That's the tricky part bro.
When the players protested against the ridiculous red card awarded to Gabriel in that Leeds match, the team was fined for misconduct. That's to tell you forcing the ref to make decisions may not work at times.

I am not saying the players should protest at the refs or that a protest will lead to a PK...naaaa. What I mean is that if Jesus/ Tierney had gone down considering the legitimacy of the contact/ fall, the ref or VAR ref would have asked the ref to come take a look or the ref would have been forced to consider that contact, that is what I mean when i say the incident will force the ref to make a decision.

VAR reviews incidents and we have seen instances after a call has been made the ref stops play and goes to the monitor because VAR is telling the ref there is something to be seen here. Saka's incident was an easy call, from the angles I have seen, he dived and I believe VAR also saw that and supported the refs decision.

Roland17:
I am not saying the players should protest at the refs or that a protest will lead to a PK...naaaa. What I mean is that if Jesus/ Tierney had gone down considering the legitimacy of the contact/ fall, the ref or VAR ref would have asked the ref to come take a look or the ref would have been forced to consider that contact, that is what I mean when i say the incident will force the ref to make a decision.

VAR reviews incidents and we have seen instances after a call has been made the ref stops play and goes to the monitor because VAR is telling the ref there is something to be seen here. Saka's incident was an easy call, from the angles I have seen, he dived and I believe VAR also saw that and supported the refs decision.

Oh... I get you now bro.

Choose one of these for January

Jodera:
Don't you understand the meaning of clinical again??
To be clinical means to be able to score the chances you get

You can be in the box and still not be clinical na.

Moreover, I've once posted a photo here about Jesus having the most touches in the opposition box. More than any arsenal player and most in Europe top 5 league so you saying he should stay in the f*vvckn box is just you ignorant of the fact that Jesus can actually stay out of the box as well as in the box. Stats proves it also.

Look at this picture below. Jesus have the most big chances of an arsenal player. In fact he's more than twice as much as the next person in terms of big chances missed. How many big chances occur outside the box??

Look at his shots per game. You've watched Jesus this season, how many times have you seen Jesus take outside the box shots??

If you still think it's because Jesus is not Found in the box that's making him not to score then I don't know what else to say.

You think because he runs, drops deep and presses, it now means he's neglecting his primary duties as a striker?

The only thing found wanting in his game is just been clinical. It's facts!!

To be clinical means to shoot at goal with the right combination of accuracy and power. To that this one has to have the right composure and position. For a player that is running up and down and dropping too deep, by the time he gets the ball he lacks the right composure.

You need to see most of GJ misses especially on Sunday. There are some that he only needed to either wait for a second or took more than a second to strike. That's composure and you lose that when you're trying as a striker to get involved in chance creation all the time.

Roland17:
You are right and I agree 100% that the ref was horrible. However, It’s not the job of our players to be fair, opponents don’t approach the game with the mindset of being fair.

Infact, it is the job of the refs to ensure the match is fair and that is why he is there, not the players. I have seen teams push and force the referee to make a decision in those situations irrespective of previous incidents.

Saka got a yellow, however, that doesn’t mean the other 2 were illegitimate considerations or opportunities. Other teams would have still forced the silly ref to make a decision because there were contacts in those plays.

I understand you perfectly well. But if a referee wants to witch hunt you, you will be punished both for being fair and unfair. That's my point.

Arsenal heads have to start talking to the FA if not this rubbish will continue.

Spy360:
I understand you perfectly well. But if a referee wants to witch hunt you, you will be punished both for being fair and unfair. That's my point.

Arsenal heads have to start talking to the FA if not this rubbish will continue.

The embolden has been a recurring issue for us, especially post Wenger. Wenger used to get into spats with the refs and the FA. He put a ton of pressure on them and despite his numerous suspensions, he did not stop and that helped us a lot in subsequent games. I can't count the number of times Wenger was sent to the stands or suspended because of his collision with the FA over the actions of the refs.

Remember, Wenger came in and revolutionized the playing style in the EPL. He made it appealing, more desirable with style, ball movement/ passing which was in sharp contrast to physical, long balls the league was used to and so opponents targeted our players and Wenger wasn't having it. We need our leaders to push it with the FA. United and Chelsea before now do this better than us...

Spy360:
To be clinical means to shoot at goal with the right combination of accuracy and power. To that this one has to have the right composure and position. For a player that is running up and down and dropping too deep, by the time he gets the ball he lacks the right composure.

You need to see most of GJ misses especially on Sunday. There are some that he only needed to either wait for a second or took more than a second to strike. That's composure and you lose that when you're trying as a striker to get involved in chance creation all the time.

His misses on Sunday is not the only one he's missed. On some occasions he's missed in the first half even when game is 20min(Leeds big chance missed a recent example)

We're talking as if this isn't Jesus style of play and he's forced to do all these buildup. No, fyi, that's his style of play and that's the kind of striker Arteta Is looking for. Telling him to stop doing all those things and wait in the box is exactly the same thing that made him ran away from Man city. Same thing that he claimed he wasn't enjoying his ball at Man city

Look at most of his big misses(from Leicester to Bournemouth to Brentford to Leeds to Southampton), you'll find out he doesn't places it at the far corner of the post instead it's always at the central of the keeper. This is not due to tiredness (cos most misses are even in the first half) but this is just him lacking that finishing touch and finesse someone like Martinelli have. Martinelli works as much as he does too, why doesn't composure affect him too?

I just hope our attacking coach will look into finishing/shooting and start working on it cos we need him to start scoring like the others


Ps: You'll need to apologize to me for saying Gabriel Jesus doesn't "Fvcking" stay in the box

Jodera:
Must he suffer for others to enjoy the benefits?
What kind of fallacy is that? That a striker can't benefit as well as his other players.

How about he starts getting more clinical than how he should be and he'll automatically enjoy the benefits others are enjoying.

Man had missed 8 big chances in 11 games, I think the only person rivalling him is Rashford. That's an average of 1 big chance missed per match. He missed two big chances against Southampton and a big chance against Leeds but you're saying Xhaka who scored From a chance against Southampton (not even a big chance) is the one enjoying the benefits? Lol

Once his starts scoring his chance and big chances, he'll normally get his accolades. It's false for you to say his style of play limits him just to benefits others.

Don't you know that for a striker to score someone has to be provider or creator?

If Jesus becomes the creator then it means that others will benefit in his stead.

For example, if GJ drops into the AM position it gives Xhaka the freedom to make a run and take up goal scoring positions. While this can be tactically advantageous, it shouldn't happen all the time because he deprives GJ the opportunity to take up such positions himself. Take your time and watch how Haaland plays. He allows others do the suffering while he focuses on positioning himself for goals.

If GJ after dropping deep and creates an opportunity, then himself tries to make a run even if he gets the ball, he will not have the best composure to finish with the right power and accuracy.

I keep repeating myself. If you understand but you not believe it's different from when you don't understand. Because I don't know the area you fall.

Jodera:
His misses on Sunday is not the only one he's missed. On some occasions he's missed in the first half even when game is 20min(Leeds big chance missed a recent example)

We're talking as if this isn't Jesus style of play and he's forced to do all these buildup. No, fyi, that's his style of play and that's the kind of striker Arteta Is looking for. Telling him to stop doing all those things and wait in the box is exactly the same thing that made him ran away from Man city. Same thing that he claimed he wasn't enjoying his ball at Man city

Look at most of his big misses(from Leicester to Bournemouth to Brentford to Leeds to Southampton), you'll find out he doesn't places it at the far corner of the post instead it's always at the central of the keeper. This is not due to tiredness (cos most misses are even in the first half) but this is just him lacking that finishing touch and finesse someone like Martinelli have. Martinelli works as much as he does too, why doesn't composure affect him too?

I just hope our attacking coach will look into finishing/shooting and start working on it cos we need him to start scoring like the others


Ps: You'll need to apologize to me for saying Gabriel Jesus doesn't "Fvcking" stay in the box

Take your time, watch some of those misses, watch where he is coming from. Usually he is making a run from deep. That's what midfielders do not a striker. He needs to position himself in the box. If he keeps playing too deep all the time, he will end up like Lacazette and Nketiah will bench him.

Jodera:
Debunking the myth and fallacy that Jesus doesn't "fvcckn'" stay in the box. This article is as recent as October 5th


Spy360

Your pictorial representation even buttresses my point. Check his no of touches in the box and outside the box are very similar and evenly spread across the frontline. He should be spending more time in the box than outside it. He is a striker but he is trying to play both striker and attacking midfielder all at the same time.

Spy360:
Don't you know that for a striker to score someone has to be provider or creator?

If Jesus becomes the creator then it means that others will benefit in his stead.

For example, if GJ drops into the AM position it gives Xhaka the freedom to make a run and take up goal scoring positions. While this can be tactically advantageous, it shouldn't happen all the time because he deprives GJ the opportunity to take up such positions himself. Take your time and watch how Haaland plays. He allows others do the suffering while he focuses on positioning himself for goals.

If GJ after dropping deep and creates an opportunity, then himself tries to make a run even if he gets the ball, he will not have the best composure to finish with the right power and accuracy.

I keep repeating myself. If you understand but you not believe it's different from when you don't understand. Because I don't know the area you fall.

Lol... The thing is that when you've made up your mind on something, even if the evidence Is glaring to your face, you no go still gree.

You make it seem like he's the only one creating and doing buildups, but In reality he isn't. Martinelli is playing like him, yet he converts his chances. In fact, the only big chance I've seen Martinelli miss this season was against crystal palace.

Xhaka, Martinelli and Saka all do build-ups but they never miss big chances the way Jesus do this season. I dunno how you're all piling it on the other works Jesus is doing. If he's even seeing these chances deep in 2nd half of the game, I would have understood. But first half? Come on na! We all played ball

Jodera:
Na small small laidis, we go start to hear say Gabriel Jesus dey play like Lacazette when in
reality he's doing way more than Lacazette did for us. We won't actually touch on the main issue(which is his clinicality) instead, we would now want to blame his goal drought on things that he brings to the team that makes the team better like say it's not something good (thereby encouraging him to stop them)

Imagine putting his goal drought on Saka, Xhaka and Martinelli scoring when in reality, he takes more shots, gets more big chances and receives more passes in the opposition box than the trio

Na so we argue Lacazette Vs Nketiah here until Arteta dropped him at the slightest opportunity. Remember you said Lacazette was bringing more to the attack, dropping deep and all those sh*t. I said if he keeps on doing that he will fail to score and will be dropped. It happened as I said and you bent the knee.

GJ is doing exactly what Lacazette was doing. If after a few more games and he doesn't score- meaning the team scores less goals, Nketiah will bench him. Nketiah is a fox in the box, he does not make that mistake of not being seen there.

Spy360:
Take your time, watch some of those misses, watch where he is coming from. Usually he is making a run from deep. That's what midfielders do not a striker. He needs to position himself in the box. If he keeps playing too deep all the time, he will end up like Lacazette and Nketiah will bench him.

Lol, I knew you were getting here sha.
I just know.

And no, most of his chances are not from deep. I understand. You always love an Auba and Giroud-type of striker. Anything aside that is not perfect striker to you

Spy360:
Na so we argue Lacazette Vs Nketiah here until Arteta dropped him at the slightest opportunity. Remember you said Lacazette was bringing more to the attack, dropping deep and all those sh*t. I said if he keeps on doing that he will fail to score and will be dropped. It happened as I said and you bent the knee.

GJ is doing exactly what Lacazette was doing. If after a few more games and he doesn't score- meaning the team scores less goals, Nketiah will bench him. Nketiah is a fox in the box, he does not make that mistake of not being seen there.

Lol... Should we bet on this one again?

It's ridiculous to even think that GJ is doing exactly what Laca was doing. I for one never defended Laca for not getting into the box cos I know he doesn't get to the box.

How you'll see GJ and Laca and you say GJ is playing exactly like Laca is highly ridiculous

Jodera:
Lol... The thing is that when you've made up your mind on something, even if the evidence Is glaring to your face, you no go still gree.

You make it seem like he's the only one creating and doing buildups, but In reality he isn't. Martinelli is playing like him, yet he converts his chances. In fact, the only big chance I've seen Martinelli miss this season was against crystal palace.

Xhaka, Martinelli and Saka all do build-ups but they never miss big chances the way Jesus do this season. I dunno how you're all piling it on the other works Jesus is doing. If he's even seeing these chances deep in 2nd half of the game, I would have understood. But first half? Come on na! We all played ball

You played the way you are talking that's why I didn't watch you on TV.

Martinelli and Saka are wingers and even if they don't score for 5games no one will bother. We are worried about GJ because he is a striker. A striker that has equal amount of touches all accross the front line- and that's for the whole season o, not just a match. His lack of goals is that he is Jack of all trades. If he doesn't reduce his involvement in deep areas, he will continue to miss chances as he will struggle to maintain goal scoring composure.

I was a goal scorer when I played, and it's been the secret. Ask any good goal scorer they will tell you.

Jodera:
Lol... Should we bet on this one again?

It's ridiculous to even think that GJ is doing exactly what Laca was doing. I for one never defended Laca for not getting into the box cos I know he doesn't get to the box.

How you'll see GJ and Laca and you say GJ is playing exactly like Laca is highly ridiculous

They are 'like' in terms of playing patterns. Though he is a better player. However Nketiah will bench him if he continues.