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sukkot:
thats crazy bro. 6 months upfront at 2000 pounds a month is 12000 pounds. thats like 12 million naira

of course i am assuming the person wants a 3 bedroom apartment in london with the price i used lol. but even if its a studio apartment at 800 a month its still like 9 million naira

Western is designed to earn enough and still the system is taking all your earning omoh

Possible1805:
Western is designed to earn enough and still the system is taking all your earning omoh

yes oooo. money for hand back for ground

sukkot:
you can buy 24 hours light. get solar panels and inverter and a gen.

Leave them the problem with them is that Dey depend on government for everything

The peer pressure currently is just too much, people mmentality is that traveling is the best option, my pat er stated giving me pressure to move out of the country too at the other end am not seeing that as an achievement I mean she expect me to leave a job I created by myself 6years ago in nigeria that is currently fetching me at least 2-3m monthly to japa, if I do will loose all customers because the job is competitive, and for over 6year now I work from home, lose that kind of job and go to Uk as in what kind of job will fetch me 2-3m monthly savings in the Uk, the skills I have is only plumbing work skills i most do that as a side job in nigeria here I only attend to big job, japa is not for everyone you people should stop looking at it as a big achievement… and stop calculating you earning In naija just to say that you better off over there… peace ☮️

planetx:
Most of these Western governments like the UK and Canada are part of a new world order open borders mass migration global reset agenda anyway, go to any Canadian online forum and read the comments. 99% of native Canadians are vehemently against their government bringing in 500,000 immigrants yearly and are blaming the mass migration for Canada's massive housing crisis, clogged up health care system and unavailability of good jobs not crappy jobs the government is advertising as being in shortage. So when you get to the UK that oyinbo hate your guts inside lol despite the fake Upper stiff lip smile and wondering inside why you people are massively invading his country and why his sell out government did not ask for his permission before bringing half of Asia, Africa and the Middle East.

Well our ancestors also didn't give them permission before they invaded our land and messed up the continent in the name of colonialism.
And then they invaded middle East and turned the region into Harvard of terrorism just because of oil. I'm not sure that poor kid in Iraq and Syria gave them the permission to bomb their home to pieces.
Karma they say is a bitxh, it fvcks u where and when least expected.
Europe is gone, America is next with Hispanic invasion. I have no single pity to give. U can't sow barley and expect wheat. Let them feel what other race have been dealing with in the name of global expansion.

Possible1805:
The peer pressure currently is just too much, people mmentality is that traveling is the best option, my pat er stated giving me pressure to move out of the country too at the other end am not seeing that as an achievement I mean she expect me to leave a job I created by myself 6years ago in nigeria that is currently fetching me at least 2-3m monthly to japa, if I do will loose all customers because the job is competitive, and for over 6year now I work from home, lose that kind of job and go to Uk as in what kind of job will fetch me 2-3m monthly savings in the Uk, the skills I have is only plumbing work skills i most do that as a side job in nigeria here I only attend to big job, japa is not for everyone you people should stop looking at it as a big achievement… and stop calculating you earning In naija just to say that you better off over there… peace ☮️

2.3m monthly And she wants you to japa..did she give any valid reasons why she wants to leave the country? Are you considering leaving? Some junior doctors in UK don't even earn more than 3M in UK with high standard of living. Bro, leave that woman

sukkot:
exactly brother. we have caught up with them in may aspects. its just our leadership that needs to catch up now but everything else has caught up. i was at KFC yesterday. go to all these malls here you will see checkers and nike and apple and pizza hut and dominos etc etc. everything is here now. porsche the car company has a showroom here. burger king just opened a year ago in ikoyii etc etc . everything is here. just bad leadership

You know this is a lie..

Having KFC and other retail outlets and foreign franchises is catching up?? Is this your definition of catching up?
What are you saying guy

AllDModsAreMaad:
So na your growth indications be these?

Who be this sef?

The thing shock me, the guy dull no joke. Here forming awoke, too dull

sukkot:
you dont sell your home in naija to do that. thats madness

And who sold their homes to relocate?
You think people are that miserable?

OvertheTop:
Do you mean You still invest in 9ja from Abroad?
That means you still have the desire to come back to Rip the benefits of the investment. or Plan to retire back in Nigeria
I'm I right?

what areas are you investing? Real estate?
I'm looking for ideas and inspiration.
I want to learn.

build malls in strategic areas, and thank me for years to come. Just 1 of this sef don do, if you can do more than one your own don better. Retirement wey pass that one, I never see. When I jam bastard money, that is what I'm gonna do. Rental income from property in Ikoyi may even struggle to match rental income from just one store in a mall at Yaba.

Hybkay:
2.3m monthly And she wants you to japa..did she give any valid reasons why she wants to leave the country? Are you considering leaving? Some junior doctors in UK don't even earn more than 3M in UK with high standard of living. Bro, leave that woman

Consider keh, olohun maje, no she Dey look me as an enemy of progress, she’s saying if I can’t do it for myself I should to it for our kids, ABEG that not a tangible reason for me tho

MeetDx:
So you don't remember 'buzugee'? And where is that crazy logicboy?

The good old dayz

Kennyliga112:
it’s because you haven’t make the 10 million in Nigeria yet..

� you don’t mean it

BreconHills:
There is still a significant economic ceiling in the UK that blacks ( Indians have hacked it) struggle to break through. Sure you can leverage your earnings and get a mortgage, car etc but your disposable ( non card) i income will be weak. Finally after most have the two cars parked in a nice new development, they hit the ceiling and make peace with it. Some of their colleagues ( and by the way I am talking about two sets of successful professionals) not only do well in Nigeria but get invites into a strata of UK society that immigrants can only look at.

I won't talk about the ageing period ( 70 plus) and absence the of social support or the cleavage with their completely acculturized children.

PS: I am not talking of struggling people in Nigeria o. By all means they can japa and do any work and still have better life.

Your success anywhere in the world is dependent on your grit and growth mindset mentality. I put it to you that earning 700k in the Nigerian space (with insecurity, poor health care and shi..tty infrastructure) and going all out to hustle to the top in the UK . The UK would still be a better choice except you don’t know your onion

dazzlingd:
And who sold their homes to relocate?
You think people are that miserable?

many

Shutupthere:
Your success anywhere in the world is dependent on your grit and growth mindset mentality. I put it to you that earning 700k in the Nigerian space (with insecurity, poor health care and shi..tty infrastructure) and going all out to hustle to the top in the UK . The UK would still be a better choice except you don’t know your onion

Why 700k. Why make that a limit

I attended secondary and university there and worked in the City- top 5 law firm. But if I am not going to make partner or managing partner, I will leave. Its not just about money and living in a new dev with a BMW. It's about being influential at the highest level.

Apart from one or two rare blacks - the glass ceiling is still there. But if the dream is for life in a new development and a flash car. Why not? It wasn't enough for me and today with every humility it's worked out.

I was laughing hard while reading what he typed, this your response was brutal too.��

dazzlingd:
You know this is a lie..

Having KFC and other retail outlets and foreign franchises is catching up?? Is this your definition of catching up?
What are you saying guy

Gerrard59:
So, why have you not returned to Nigeria or relocated to a black-dominated country? Na this hypocrisy dey vex me. Person go siddon for abroad dey say "no place like home", "being around blacks is better", "don't come to the abroad", "abroad is lonely" yen yen yen. OK, return back to Nigeria or even Namibia? Mbanu! If you were in, say Botswana, one would say he is practising what he preaches but nooooooooo. You are in Europe!!!!!!!!! Were you not the one complaining that Namibia is too poor for your business to thrive? Don't you want to be around people who look like you?

BTW, have you not seen the level of tribalism being displayed by the so-called people who look like you? Check the front page and TwitterNG to see the love and light shared amongst people who look like you . Also, this racism you people whine about is tiring at this point, considering you are in a prosperous place, whereas your so-called home is the world's poverty capital! The worst form of discrimination is when people who look like tell you to go back to your state whereas both persons are citizens of the country with the highest number of poor people in the world! I would rather have the Mayor of Tokyo tell me to leave Tokyo and return to Nigeria than stay in Lagos and have Obafemi Hamzat tell me to return to my state. Let someone who is rich tell me to leave his place than a fellow poor person do the same.

Until most of you in this section understand that simple economics dictate people's moves, you will keep creating mumbo-jumbo threads upandown. I recall a thread a black Brit lady did on Twitter whining about racism in the UK and looking for countries where blacks are not racially discriminated. Almost all of the suggestions were white dominated countries! No black person mentioned a black-dominated country for this lady and others who might be interested in moving to. Those who suggested African countries were white men obviously mocking blacks for not having a functioning and prosperous country to call theirs. So you see?! People would always put their economic interests FIRST when making a decision.

Again, if the abroad don tire una, book the next available flight to anywhere that is black-dominated, and while at that, let go of your Canadian/British/American/European citizenship.

You are just....

Na today my life of poverty pain me pass.

You need like two million naira free for this write up.

sokeril:
Nigeria is not a shit hole Anita.
Life is hard every where.

Life is not hard in..
Canada
Switzerland
Singapore
Japan
Luxermbourg
Qatar

I could go on but I’m sure you get the drift.

This form of deception is so annoying, I wish I could insult you. Sometimes I wish I had a gutter filled mouth, you deserve some real insults for this trash you just wrote.

Nigeria is not just a shithole. A shithole seems like heaven compared to this place.

tarantino1:
Countries like Japan but in the nearest future, they may not even have a choice because of their current birth rate

Thats why they’re building robots to replace humans, they are not desperate that they will allow less evolved beings to fill to their country. Their citizens are among the smartest in the world.

Remove your mind from that country. Japanese people don’t even acknowledge the presence of foreigners white or black, they won’t even look you in the eye while speaking. If you enter a restaurant to eat with a Japanese friend, they will only talk to the Japanese, ask them what you want to eat. Even if you speak perfect Japanese, they will act like they’re deaf.

Asians will never be immigrant friendly. Not to talk of Japanese people. They will destroy the whole world before they let less evolved beings come into their country to pollute it. A place where they are no even trash cans on the street talking of trash, a place where people build robots. Those people are almost gods.

They are too advanced, even White people are idiots to them.

Maysdevices:
Life is not hard in..
Canada
Switzerland
Singapore
Japan
Luxermbourg
Qatar

I could go on but I’m sure you get the drift.

This form of deception is so annoying, I wish I could insult you. Sometimes I wish I had a gutter filled mouth, you deserve some real insults for this trash you just wrote.

Nigeria is not just a shithole. A shithole seems like heaven compared to this place.

It is.
Even Canadians are complaining.
Do you have an idea of how many Canadians are even leaving and emigrating away from Canada?
Just today in UK a woman committed sucide by jumping on the rail track with her daughter and was crushed to death because the inflation made her unable to pay bills.
Life isn’t easy anywhere faa.
That doesn’t mean Canada or UK ain’t better than Nigeria right now but it’s what it is.

sokeril:
It is.
Even Canadians are complaining.
Do you have an idea of how many Canadians are even leaving and emigrating away from Canada?
Just today in UK a woman committed sucide by jumping on the rail track with her daughter and was crushed to death because the inflation made her unable to pay bills.
Life isn’t easy anywhere faa.
That doesn’t mean Canada or UK ain’t better than Nigeria right now but it’s what it is.

They’re migrating not because of the same reasons Africans migrate. Don’t kid yourself. .

If I didn’t have family members who begged to feed but are now millionaires and telling us Canada is heaven. Their favorite phrase is ‘Don’t worry, just come to Canada’.

I might have believed your ignorance.

I don’t even live like I’m in Nigeria because of the money my two uncles send to me. These are men that lived in my father’s house, wearing his clothes because they were hopeless.

*Schooling is free up until university level
*The Canadian government gives you an allowance for each of your children every month, your pets also qualify in some cases
*During the pandemic, they gave each other citizens thousands of dollars to manage the lockdown, they also gave them money to take care of their pets.

The free foodstuff they were given, my uncle sent down to Nigeria. It was a full luggage.

This is just the surface,

If You really know deeply the Canadian government cares for its citizens, you will weep.

Some of you ehn.
Omo. I’m not invalidating your experience about the UK but no try am bring Canada into it. They are miles into the future. Do you know what a socialist country is?


My guy, Don’t bother yourself.

IbeOkehie:
This is seriously funny. Please there's data about economic conditions in Nigeria, this isn't like 25 years ago. Let's quote some of them offhand -

* Only about 0.5% of Nigerian workers earn over ₦200K per month, about 95% of bank accounts contain less than ₦500K. Only 7% of Lagosians have running water in their homes...imagine the rest of the country. Life expectancy in Nigeria is about 60 years for men. That last one has been hitting home for me recently because I personally know 5 relatively healthy acquittances who left the USA & UK to live in Nigeria in the last 4 years and died from one emergency health issue or another. One just happened in Lagos LAST WEEK, the man had a heart attack and was stuck in traffic for 6 hours and died inside the car taking him to the hospital. This is someone that many of his friends had repeatedly advised him to come back to the USA. It just makes concrete the reality that choosing between Nigeria & the UK can be a matter of life and death.

I used to be a hospital lab technician. There's something called platelet concentrate that is sometimes used for babies born with some sort of haemoatology problem. When I moved back to Nigeria in 2011, I was at the FMC Hospital in Owerri when a child was born. The doctor on duty determined that the baby needed platelet concentrate. It was not available ANYWHERE. And the baby died. This is a product we used to throw away like water at my USA workplace because it has an 8 hour shelf life. The standing procedure is to have it available at all times just in case of a neonatal crisis. But in Nigeria it was NOWHERE to be found. The doctor cried and I cried too. It's not that babies don't die in the USA or UK, it's that they don't die cheaply. By the way, the son of a serving Federal Minister also died of the same thing some years ago, he had a crisis and needed a blood product that wasn't available in Nigeria. He died in an air ambulance on the way to the UK. Unfortunately I can't put their grief out here in public, but it's a lesson on how precarious life has become that someone so highly placed can't even save themselves. So much for living the good life in Nigeria.

Simply put, your chances of staying alive are higher in the West, period.



Yes there are people earning millions of dollars in Nigeria, I know a few field engineers in the oil & gas industry or top bankers or people working remotely for big IT companies. Yes, they are there but the more important point is that the numbers of such people in Nigeria are so few as to be negligible. They're a statistically insignificant number and their situation is getting more precarious with each passing year.

I know TWO highly placed families in Nigeria where both parents and ADULT CHILDREN and spouses and grandchildren have moved from Nigeria into the town where I live. These are people who live in Banana Island, Ikoyi, Maitama, who work at major oil & gas companies, banks and are in politics. They pulled up EVERYTHING and abandoned Nigeria. I don't live in a major city so imagine the number that are migrating to London, New York or Houston. The last push for one of them was being REPEATEDLY robbed in Abuja after fleeing the same problem in Lagos years before. The woman told me this personally.

These are people who know what is going on in Nigeria and they're leaving! It's not always about MONEY, it's also about quality of life and peace of mind. The elites of Nigeria - the perm secs, federal directors, academic elites, business moguls, top politicians - are a disgrace to the Black Race. I like the way things are going now, many of them are being forced to flee the results of their own idiocy, now in the West they have to rub shoulders with their victims on an equal basis. And everything I see tells me it's going to get worse.



What is the deception? It's telling that ORDINARY LOWER MIDDLE CLASS life depicted on Facebook is viewed as exaggerated luxury by Nigerians. I know many Nigerians who have been working low wage jobs for over 25 years and they all own homes in good neighborhoods and MULTIPLE cars and their kids are university graduates working good jobs. Most if not all of them have scrimped and saved to build homes in Nigeria too.
However much they spend in UK it's still enough to send plenty of money to their relatives in Nigeria.

This very topic is what brought me to Nairaland. I was SHOCKED to read people mocking the standard of living in the Anglo countries. I came to the USA with zero money, my plane ticket was bought with borrowed money. I started life working illegally in a restaurant. I know for a fact that even back then, working in that restaurant, I was better off than 99% of people in Nigeria. Summary - if I can live a good life in the West, most people can achieve it too.

I'm in the Nigerian community, I hear of people moving to UK all the time, I see people coming into my community every week, every month both illegally and legally, married with children and single, rich and poor. Even when they're starting from scratch, within a year or two they have fully paid off used car they couldn't dream of having in Nigeria, they live in apartments - maybe with a single roommate - with running water, flush toilet and 24 hour electricity. Breathing fresh air with no dust and generator fumes. They can walk the street with confidence, no police checkpoints, they can drive for hours on the highway with no fear of being waylaid by armed robbers or kidnapped. Those are things that are not guaranteed even in Lekki Phase Zero or VGC.

A Professor, a scion of one of the most prominent families in my ancestral village, was kidnapped right in front of his house in Nigeria. The kidnappers collected their 40million and still killed him.

Good thing too Nigerians going to the West now are learning to do manual work like landscaping, computer wiring/network setups, auto mechanics and mobile car wash, cooking food and selling from their homes, sewing clothes & shoe repair, so having papers is not even as much a problem as before. Honestly I wish I had such skills when I arrived here, life would have been a lot easier. There's a woman who sells Nigerian food that we patronize often, we buy like one week worth of food at a time. When you go to pick up at her home you can see they're VERY BUSY. There's one or two more people that have opened walk up - carry out restaurants. They cater parties too. A Nigerian mobile car washer cleaned my car last week, he came to the office and did it. Who needs Green Card to do that?

Nigeria today is not a good place to live for the VAST MAJORITY and it must be a terrible burden to even be rich in the midst of such misery. Hopefully it will get better but all this fakery about life in Nigeria must stop. Y'all know you're not real.

I dey vex for u seriously, why be say na 3rd page u write dis kind tin? What are u doing that u can't secure the front page and wrote this? Enh?

BreconHills:
Why 700k. Why make that a limit

I attended secondary and university there and worked in the City- top 5 law firm. But if I am not going to make partner or managing partner, I will leave. Its not just about money and living in a new dev with a BMW. It's about being influential at the highest level.

Apart from one or two rare blacks - the glass ceiling is still there. But if the dream is for life in a new development and a flash car. Why not? It wasn't enough for me and today with every humility it's worked out.

I just used that to buttress a point I think most Nigerians will be able to relate to. However, it’s possible to attain the highest ladder of society if you KNOW YOUR ONION

Shutupthere:
I just used that to buttress a point I think most Nigerians will be able to relate to. However, it’s possible to attain the highest ladder of society if you KNOW YOUR ONION

I think we are saying two different things. I am not talking about reaching the height of your profession by say becoming a KC, professor or acknowledged expert. I am talking about the ability to engage with policy makers; MP and cabinet members and influenve policy in the interests of your race/group without surrendering your identity.

Most of the blacks that get there like Kwarteng (sic) Bim Afolabi, Kemi Badenoch had to dilute their blackness to get access. Nearly 90% are married to white Upper class women or men. Without doing this - access denied.

In contrast Indians still wear their Indian identity on their sleeves, still marry Indians and still influence policy in favour of indians.

That's the bridge Africans still need to cross.

BreconHills:
I think we are saying two different things. I am not talking about reaching the height of your profession by say becoming a KC, professor or acknowledged expert. I am talking about the ability to engage with policy makers; MP and cabinet members and influenve policy in the interests of your race/group without surrendering your identity.

Most of the blacks that get there like Kwarteng (sic) Bim Afolabi, Kemi Badenoch had to dilute their blackness to get access. Nearly 90% are married to white Upper class women or men. Without doing this - access denied.

In contrast Indians still wear their Indian identity on their sleeves, still marry Indians and still influence policy in favour of indians.

That's the bridge Africans still need to cross.

While I can’t present any statistics to buttress my point (which I strongly believe is achievable), It doesn’t take out the fact Africans can be whatever they want to be in the western
World. It is fallacious to name a few successful people of African descent who have married a certain subset of society to mean their success was hinged on marital ties. Can’t we just agree they are Africans who got to the top as Africans?.. Many more Nigerians in the nearest future will turn out to be voices that influence the political structure in their respective communities (Be it UK or Canada). It might not look so now but in 10 years from now with the level of brain drain.
You will see Nigerians doing great things as it relates to politics, economics, science,technology,entertainment etc....My humble submission bro..

Shutupthere:
While I can’t present any statistics to buttress my point (which I strongly believe is achievable), It doesn’t take out the fact Africans can be whatever they want to be in the western
World. It is fallacious to name a few successful people of African descent who have married a certain subset of society to mean their success was hinged on marital ties. Can’t we just agree they are Africans who got to the top as Africans?.. Many more Nigerians in the nearest future will turn out to be voices that influence the political structure in their respective communities (Be it UK or Canada). It might not look so now but in 10 years from now with the level of brain drain.
You will see Nigerians doing great things as it relates to politics, economics, science,technology,entertainment etc....My humble submission bro..

I am not disagreeing with you that Nigerians can do great things, what I am saying is that we are not seeing Nigerians positively impacting state policy in favour of Nigeria. I can't think of one single example. This summer it was the subject of discussion I had with over 300 highly placed Nigerians in England and Scotland and they agreed that they had not hacked government policy in the same way that the Indians have done. We agreed to hold another diaspora summit next year. These are neuro surgeons, architects, accountants with the big 5 firms, investment bankers at Morgan Stanley and the like.

If you think of where the Indians were with their small corner shops and where they are now - they've gone a long way snd we need to be humble to hack that.

Most of the time these NGO and international bodies e.g Commonwealth associations are taken over by our elite who simply use it for personal access and not for the good of Nigeria.

The British Asian Trust started years ago with the then Prince Charles as patron - today its delivered including 3000 special visas for Indian entrepreneurs outside of the Highly skilled professional visa everybody in the world is competing for.

BreconHills:
I am not disagreeing with you that Nigerians can do great things, what I am saying is that we are not seeing Nigerians positively impacting state policy in favour of Nigeria. I can't think of one single example. This summer it was the subject of discussion I had with over 300 highly placed Nigerians in England and Scotland and they agreed that they had not hacked government policy in the same way that the Indians have done. We agreed to hold another diaspora summit next year. These are neuro surgeons, architects, accountants with the big 5 firms, investment bankers at Morgan Stanley and the like.

If you think of where the Indians were with their small corner shops and where they are now - they've gone a long way snd we need to be humble to hack that.

Most of the time these NGO and international bodies e.g Commonwealth associations are taken over by our elite who simply use it for personal access and not for the good of Nigeria.

The British Asian Trust started years ago with the then Prince Charles as patron - today its delivered including 3000 special visas for Indian entrepreneurs outside of the Highly skilled professional visa everybody in the world is competing for.

You are not entirely wrong.
But then the recent trends I have been observing is making me very resolute on the idea that the crop of Nigerians migrating overseas at the moment are not the usual spectrum that go there. This present stock are very determined to do something different and maybe mostly because most of these folks grew up with the internet are have more information about career, government policies than the 80’s “japararians”(You can engage some of them in a discuss and you will surprised). But one thing is sure give it like a decade and we would see Africans taking over like our Asian brothers in every sector. We already doing it with entertainment. These set of African immigrants didn’t go there to “sleep on a bicycle “.

PS: if there is a video link or audio file to any of these discussion you had in the past be kind enough to share let me learn a few things myself.

sukkot:
lmaoooo bro. hmm logicboy. dude just vanished into thin air

Where is this guy shymexx , haven't seen his posts in a long time.

sukkot:
exactly brother. we have caught up with them in may aspects. its just our leadership that needs to catch up now but everything else has caught up. i was at KFC yesterday. go to all these malls here you will see checkers and nike and apple and pizza hut and dominos etc etc. everything is here now. porsche the car company has a showroom here. burger king just opened a year ago in ikoyii etc etc . everything is here. just bad leadership

This guy is still a troll

ibkayee:
This guy is still a troll

whattttttttttttt ibkayeeeeeeeeeeee where you been at gurl ?