FILEBE:


I thought it was too untill I started reading comments. If you read them you will see clearly the problem of Nigeria. Whoever wants to fix Nigeria should just read the comments. Also , it helps to make a decision if or not to travel for stay.

If I were to start an humanitarian work or NGO work , I will come back to these comments

I have actually lrearnt a lot from the comments myself, most important being not to listen to comments. I will rather go and see for myself

sukkot:
UK is teN times worse than US

Oh wow And I was eyeing it o. Thanks for the info.

PoliteActivist:


This tells me you have limited experience.
It is far better to enter with $1k and no papers than stay in Naija with $40k:
Take the $1k, enter UK, US, Canada, ask for asylum. Play your cards right. Before long you'll have your papers. Guaranteed

As for the $40k. Depends on your circumstances abroad. There are Nigerians in US, UK, etc who'll happily go back home given $10k

Stop saying what u don’t know, no Nigerian will collect 10k to go back.
People doing menial jobs can make 10k in 3 months
What they will not make in 2 years in Nigeria
Other things may pursue them back but not 10k

dazzlingd:


Stop saying what u don’t know, no Nigerian will collect 10k to go back.
People doing menial jobs can make 10k in 3 months
What they will not make in 2 years in Nigeria
Other things may pursue them back but not 10k

I can bet you this:
if the government were to announce tomorrow that anybody who agrees to relocate back home would be given $10k, you'd be amazed at the crowd!

There are people who have never had $5k in their account since going abroad, plus they have all sorts of problems and bad record. Then there are the heavily indebted, the fugitives from the law, the mental, the homeless, the simply TIRED, etc
Now you are offering such a person $10 or $40k plus a fresh clean start with no record, and you think they won't take it??!!

PoliteActivist:


I can bet you this:
if the government were to announce tomorrow that anybody who agrees to relocate back home would be given $10k, you'd be amazed at the crowd!

There are people who have never had $5k in their account since going abroad, plus they have all sorts of problems and bad record. Then there are the heavily indebted, the fugitives from the law, the mental, the homeless, the simply TIRED, etc
Now you are offering such a person $10 or $40k plus a fresh clean start with no record, and you think they won't take it??!!

So is that the kind of examples u want.? Failures and never do wells.
Well, I see the positive sides and you should be encouraged by the numerous set of Nigerians doing very well. There are so many Nigerians abroad that migrated and their lives have changed.
I’m talking of legal routes not people that forged their ways.
People go to US to do masters and get good jobs. Jobs they will never dream of getting in Nigeria.
Do you know Nigerians earn between 90k to. 300k in their mid careers?

dazzlingd:

So is that the kind of examples u want.? Failures and never do wells.
Well, I see the positive sides and you should be encouraged by the numerous set of Nigerians doing very well. There are so many Nigerians abroad that migrated and their lives have changed.
I’m talking of legal routes not people that forged their ways.
People go to US to do masters and get good jobs. Jobs they will never dream of getting in Nigeria.
Do you know Nigerians earn between 90k to. 300k in their mid careers?

I guess you never read the OP.
We are going by the OP's criteria - no one was excluded. There are also the old, the retired.
So at least now you agree with me that if $10k were announced by the government, there'd be a huge number of people applying

dazzlingd:


Stop saying what u don’t know, no Nigerian will collect 10k to go back.
People doing menial jobs can make 10k in 3 months
What they will not make in 2 years in Nigeria
Other things may pursue them back but not 10k

Oga don't say what you don't know.

There is no way you can save $10,000 in just 3 months while doing menial jobs in the US!

dazzlingd:

Stop saying what u don’t know, no Nigerian will collect 10k to go back.
People doing menial jobs can make 10k in 3 months
What they will not make in 2 years in Nigeria
Other things may pursue them back but not 10k

Kobicove:


Oga don't say what you don't know.

There is no way you can save $10,000 in just 3 months while doing menial jobs in the US!

Ok, let's do the math:
Let's say $10 per hour, take-home pay. So that's $400 per week for 40 hours. 400×4=1600 per month.
1600×3=$4800 for 3 months (assuming you save every single penny!)

sukkot:
i lived in the state of Illinois for 10 years. thats still in america the last time i checked. Chicago to be exact. went to the same school jagaban went to

You went to school with Tinubu?
Are you about 90 years old sir?
I just want to check something

Kobicove:


Oga don't say what you don't know.

There is no way you can save $10,000 in just 3 months while doing menial jobs in the US!

People make 10k or even more in three months doing menial jobs in US..
I didn't say save but people make that.

PoliteActivist:




Ok, let's do the math:
Let's say $10 per hour, take-home pay. So that's $400 per week for 40 hours. 400×4=1600 per month.
1600×3=$4800 for 3 months (assuming you save every single penny!)

What of 20 dollars per hour,
Some people do more than one jobs, real hustlers.
Some make between 600 to 1k dollars at the end of the week.
I'm not saying shit, I'm telling you fact

dazzlingd:


What of 20 dollars per hour,
Some people do more than one jobs, real hustlers.
Some make between 600 to 1k dollars at the end of the week.
I'm not saying shit, I'm telling you fact

Well, I Googled it. See below.
It is like $5 after taxes.
It is simply impossible to save $10,000 in US in 3 months doing menial jobs

dazzlingd:


People make 10k or even more in three months doing menial jobs in US..
I didn't say save but people make that.

But we are discussing SAVE not make. Because that's how much will be given to you lump sum

Satazaa:
hear you self fulfilling prophesy, with this mindset you are doomed for life, 26 million is nothing? give your average hausa grain or livestock trader or a typical and very resourceful Igbo spare parts trader that money for just five years and see, why would that money be anything if you are the boss of popping champagne and throwing money into ladies bear bear bank

Na mugu all of them. People are even starting business in 2022 with 300k. I gave someone 500k over 3 yrs ago to start small tailor store, today the person don build house pass lintel level. Hausas wey dey sell indomie, meats for market, bag of rice dey cash out badly, these idiots talking down on $40kusd

fijihems:
Anyone living abroad in a developed country like the UK, USA or Canada who cannot save $20,000 in one year, is either not serious or wasting time.

You mean $20,000 after 10 years? If you say in a year then you are a Donbass. Russia need to bomb your dumb brain

bepositive11:


Japa is more than just about saving money. It's about political stability, economic stability, social security, and so on.

In any country in this world, you cannot build wealth with an average job. You need to become a top executive or run your own business or invest in lucrative assets.

There is no political stability, economic stability, social security, and so on abroad. You are just a brainwashed dead tortoise. Japa is for foolish and dumb people. You have to be a donkey to think of japaing

Selfmotivated:

$40k is about 17,653,200.00 Nigerian Naira. Nigeria economic outlook will swallow that money within one year based on the sky rocking inflation. No going back to Sodom...

Crenzywilliams:

No it's about 26mita in Nigeria. And you can't do anything with that amount in Nigeria. Besides why will anyone want to return to a shithole country with no basic amenities?

Satazaa:
hear you self fulfilling prophesy, with this mindset you are doomed for life, 26 million is nothing? give your average hausa grain or livestock trader or a typical and very resourceful Igbo spare parts trader that money for just five years and see, why would that money be anything if you are the boss of popping champagne and throwing money into ladies bear bear bank

timesuploaded:
Na mugu all of them. People are even starting business in 2022 with 300k. I gave someone 500k over 3 yrs ago to start small tailor store, today the person don build house pass lintel level. Hausas wey dey sell indomie, meats for market, bag of rice dey cash out badly, these idiots talking down on $40kusd

People can't do simple arithmetic. Dollar is at 820 today, so let's say 800
40000×800=32000000 (N32m)

Seems like a lot of money, right?
But what you folks are not taking into account is that Nigerians are certain kind of people - a show off kind of people.

Here's the TRUTH:
A typical Nigerian who suddenly comes into $40k will NEVER quietly work hard with it, knowing it is not that big. They'd instead immediately become "big boy", buy better car, get better place with better furnishings, expensive funerals/weddings, upgrade their profile in society which comes with bigger exoenses, be show-off generous to relatives and friends, etc.
Before long that money will be gone. Guaranteed! And they'd be back exactly where they were.
Therefore for the typical Nigerian, to japa to a better place of your choice with $1k in your pocket is best!

PoliteActivist:


Well, I Googled it. See below.
It is like $5 after taxes.
It is simply impossible to save $10,000 in US in 3 months doing menial jobs

Minimum wage varies by state, most are on 15 dollars per hour.
Minimum wage doesn’t mean a worker will have to settle for the minimum, some gets jobs within 20 to 40 dollars per hour for semi skilled or unskilled labor
And I repeat, you can earn an average of 4k monthly doing menial jobs. People combine two jobs or more to even earn more under the table. I’m not using google to make my claims.

Now that’s menial jobs

But getting a degree in US, msc , mba , phd etc
You can get a job of 90 to 120k for a start.
Investment banking in US and consulting pay above 200k per annum with sign on bonus which can be within 20 to 40k.
Which job in Nigeria can pay you this in 10 years?

sukkot:
i lived in the state of Illinois for 10 years. thats still in america the last time i checked. Chicago to be exact. went to the same school jagaban went to

Jagaban said he went to University of Chicago (a BIG lie!). Which one did you attend?

dazzlingd:


Minimum wage varies by state, most are on 15 dollars per hour.
Minimum wage doesn’t mean a worker will have to settle for the minimum, some gets jobs within 20 to 40 dollars per hour for semi skilled or unskilled labor
And I repeat, you can earn an average of 4k monthly doing menial jobs. People combine two jobs or more to even earn more under the table.
I’m not using google to make my claims.

Now that’s menial jobs

But getting a degree in US, msc , mba , phd etc
You can get a job of 90 to 120k for a start.
Investment banking in US and consulting pay above 200k per annum with sign on bonus which can be within 20 to 40k.
Which job in Nigeria can pay you this in 10 years?

Your math is very fuzzy indeed.
You don't need Google. All you have to do is look at the number of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck (meaning zero savings). See below

timesuploaded:
There is no political stability, economic stability, social security, and so on abroad. You are just a brainwashed dead tortoise. Japa is for foolish and dumb people. You have to be a donkey to think of japaing

This can’t be serious. This is sacarsm, right?

dazzlingd:


Stop saying what u don’t know, no Nigerian will collect 10k to go back.
People doing menial jobs can make 10k in 3 months
What they will not make in 2 years in Nigeria
Other things may pursue them back but not 10k

That guy has no idea what's he's saying. You better stop debating with him.

TheEnforcer:
That guy has no idea what's he's saying. You better stop debating with him.

You people are funny.
Did the OP limit it to those who are doing well??!!

How about all these Nigerians we see online all the time begging to be brought home? How about all those we see brought back by plane? How about those who relocate home without being given a penny? How about the old who can't afford the fare?

Stop arguing blindly:
There are many Nigerians who'd return home if offered plane ticket and $10k incentive!!!

PoliteActivist:


Your math is very fuzzy indeed.
You don't need Google. All you have to do is look at the number of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck (meaning zero savings). See below

Stop arguing with figures picked on Google.
Have you lived in the US before?

What do you have to say about the statistics that 80% of Nigerians live on less than $1 a day.
This report was made when dollars was like 200 or so.
Which was very unrealistic.

So someone from UK sees that on Google and assumes people are eating from the refuse in nigeria

dazzlingd:


Stop arguing with figures picked on Google.
Have you lived in the US before?

What do you have to say about the statistics that 80% of Nigerians live on less than $1 a day.
This report was made when dollars was like 200 or so.
Which was very unrealistic.

So someone from UK sees that on Google and assumes people are eating from the refuse in nigeria

Well, a substantial amount of Nigerian economy is informal or under the table - so no way to include them in statistics.
Not so with with US/UK. Any statistics you see about them are very close to reality

PoliteActivist:


Well, a substantial amount of Nigerian economy is informal or under the table - so no way to include them in statistics.
Not so with with US/UK. Any statistics you see about them are very close to reality

If you want to check data close to accurate, use statista.com to check average income in america state by state and among different age groups. I don’t know if you have access to the website.
You will understand why America is America.
There is no place in the world where there are no failures and never do wells, but on the average, you can’t compare america to Nigeria in any aspect in terms of wealth.
How many people earn 10k dollars per year in Nigeria? Or how many people save 1k dollars at the end of the year in Nigeria.
A whole graduate will work 10 hours in a day Monday to Saturday and at the end of the month collect 100k

A student can easily make between 1,500 to 2k in US doing part time work, that’s working maybe 3 times a week for 20 hours and still manage to save like 500 dollars at the end of the month.
A real hustler can make 3k to 4k doing menial jobs in US and save a good amount of it. I’m talking on the average.
I am not arguing with you googling up stuffs from the internet, and my question, have you lived in the US before?

I would have seen this thread and kept silent but it won’t be good to discourage people looking for a better life, it is worth the effort to seek a better life if your current environment isn’t giving you the best, give it a shot and many have tried and become successful. There are people here in the US that the kind of wealth they have built over the years they worked here, they would never have achieved it in Nigeria in their life time

PoliteActivist:


Your math is very fuzzy indeed.
You don't need Google. All you have to do is look at the number of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck (meaning zero savings). See below

Americans live paycheck to paycheck because they have systems in place that would take care of them in case of financial emergency. So they live above their means and owe money. If they are serious, they can live below their means and save

CanadaOrBust:


Americans live paycheck to paycheck because they have systems in place that would take care of them in case of financial emergency. So they live above their means and owe money. If they are serious, they can live below their means and save

Please don't say what you don't know.

You only get welfare packages if your credit is okay and you're not indebted.

But if your credit is screwed up and you have committed a crime of any sort before which is on your record, once you hit Rock buttom, you will end up on the streets with no roof over your head and difficulties getting the lowest of jobs.

If you end up being an illegal, then your case is worse off!

I am not telling you theories here..

timesuploaded:
There is no political stability, economic stability, social security, and so on abroad. You are just a brainwashed dead tortoise. Japa is for foolish and dumb people. You have to be a donkey to think of japaing

You don't know what you're talking about.

dazzlingd:


If you want to check data close to accurate, use statista.com to check average income in america state by state and among different age groups. I don’t know if you have access to the website.
You will understand why America is America.
There is no place in the world where there are no failures and never do wells, but on the average, you can’t compare america to Nigeria in any aspect in terms of wealth.
How many people earn 10k dollars per year in Nigeria? Or how many people save 1k dollars at the end of the year in Nigeria.
A whole graduate will work 10 hours in a day Monday to Saturday and at the end of the month collect 100k

A student can easily make between 1,500 to 2k in US doing part time work, that’s working maybe 3 times a week for 20 hours and still manage to save like 500 dollars at the end of the month.
A real hustler can make 3k to 4k doing menial jobs in US and save a good amount of it. I’m talking on the average.
I am not arguing with you googling up stuffs from the internet, and my question, have you lived in the US before?

I would have seen this thread and kept silent but it won’t be good to discourage people looking for a better life, it is worth the effort to seek a better life if your current environment isn’t giving you the best, give it a shot and many have tried and become successful. There are people here in the US that the kind of wealth they have built over the years they worked here, they would never have achieved it in Nigeria in their life time

Of course I agree with you on all that - am I not the one who argued it is better to japa anywhere you choose with $1k than stay permanently in Naija with $40k?

But then you took it too far by saying that NO abroad person would return to Nigeria if given a plane ticket and $10k.
Which is not true at all!

Also, remember there are many Nigerian traders and such who are extremely wealthy but are not part of the "job market" or statistics. Likewise there are Nigerians in US/UK who are not doing well at all, some even suicidal.
Take this poor lady below, do you think she'd hesitate to take $10k and return to Nigeria??

CanadaOrBust:


Americans live paycheck to paycheck because they have systems in place that would take care of them in case of financial emergency. So they live above their means and owe money. If they are serious, they can live below their means and save

Well, we are going by what they are actually doing, not what they may hypothetically do.
Simply put, majority of Americans don't have any savings at all, and I don't think it is by choice as you postulate!

On point!

PoliteActivist:


Well, a substantial amount of Nigerian economy is informal or under the table - so no way to include them in statistics.
Not so with with US/UK. Any statistics you see about them are very close to reality