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seankafor:
Omo eeeh, western countries just dey piss me off day by day

Where is lord Putin when you need him

A lot of these individuals are not actual football fans. They just want to indoctrinate this lifestyle into every single sphere of life so you cannot escape it anywhere you turn. This is another notice me on the internet seeking clout. Nothing consign these ones with the actual football on the pitch

Think about it. How many world cups have we had why is it this one that we are hearing of rainbow and flags all matter wey no concern ball wey we wan watch. That's my problem with the whole inclusion, diversity and butt bongo business is that the game is now open to all sorts of people that can't point out a Kylian Mbappe on TV.

A loud annoying minority who are not even actual fans. Just another set of people who see the World cup as a platform for agenda. Like they have done with movies and even kids cartoons

A40:
A lot of these individuals are not actual football fans. They just want to indoctrinate this lifestyle into every single sphere of life so you cannot escape it anywhere you turn. This is another notice me on the internet seeking clout. Nothing consign these ones with the actual football on the pitch

Think about it. How many world cups have we had why is it this one that we are hearing of rainbow and flags all matter wey no concern ball wey we wan watch. That's my problem with the whole inclusion, diversity and butt bongo business is that the game is now open to all sorts of people that can't point out a Kylian Mbappe on TV.

A loud annoying minority who are not even actual fans. Just another set of people who see the World cup as a platform for agenda. Like they have done with movies and even kids cartoons

Nobody wants to "indoctrinate anyone" into any lifestyle.
They are just asking for fundamental basic human rights of queer people, is that really such a terrible thing?? Do you really believe that gay people should be killed for their choices, in this 21st century?

Think of it this way, if we had very rich country host a world cup but had a historical culture of killing people on basis of their skin color, ie killing black people, wouldn't you chime in advocating for the global platform to be used as a means of sensitizing others to the danger of the issue??

LGBT rights have not been an issue in the last few world cups because gays are not killed in the countries that have hosted them and the host countries have had no issue with LGBT fans. From Russia18, to Brazil14 to south Africa10 and Germany 06, all these countries are quite receptive to LGBT people.

But you have this in a country where gay people are publicly hanged to death. the country is hostile to gay people which means that fans who used to go to the world cup with their partners would be unable to do that. Common man, that's not right.

A40:
A lot of these individuals are not actual football fans. They just want to indoctrinate this lifestyle into every single sphere of life so you cannot escape it anywhere you turn. This is another notice me on the internet seeking clout. Nothing consign these ones with the actual football on the pitch

Think about it. How many world cups have we had why is it this one that we are hearing of rainbow and flags all matter wey no concern ball wey we wan watch. That's my problem with the whole inclusion, diversity and butt bongo business is that the game is now open to all sorts of people that can't point out a Kylian Mbappe on TV.

A loud annoying minority who are not even actual fans. Just another set of people who see the World cup as a platform for agenda. Like they have done with movies and even kids cartoons

how would the world be if every straight person should go about announcing how they re straight and stuffs

Gay people like donjazet should stop forcing gayism down our throats

It's not a must everyone or culture must accept the LGBT culture

seankafor:
Omo eeeh, western countries just dey piss me off day by day

Where is lord [b]Putin [/b]when you need him

one of the reasons for his recent actions is based on the fact that he doesn't want this happening on his watch.

I don't understand why they are forcing this down everyones throats. WHY?

A40:
A lot of these individuals are not actual football fans. They just want to indoctrinate this lifestyle into every single sphere of life so you cannot escape it anywhere you turn. This is another notice me on the internet seeking clout. Nothing consign these ones with the actual football on the pitch

Think about it. How many world cups have we had why is it this one that we are hearing of rainbow and flags all matter wey no concern ball wey we wan watch. That's my problem with the whole inclusion, diversity and butt bongo business is that the game is now open to all sorts of people that can't point out a Kylian Mbappe on TV.

A loud annoying minority who are not even actual fans. Just another set of people who see the World cup as a platform for agenda. Like they have done with movies and even kids cartoons

You can say that again. Again and then put it on repeat. And then LOUD IT!

Donjazet2:
Nobody wants to "indoctrinate anyone" into any lifestyle.
They are just asking for fundamental basic human rights of queer people, is that really such a terrible thing?? Do you really believe that gay people should be killed for their choices, in this 21st century?

We have teachers in schools tricking kids into taking injections to permanently alter their gender. Kids being taken to drag clubs. We have movies now with all gay characters and gay characters in cartoon
Don't tell me there's no agenda going on. If you insist on choosing naivete that's your choice but don't sell me that there's no agenda going on

I don't believe anyone should be killed for their sexual preferences but what does wearing rainbow gear have to do with that? You think Tran Dan and Bikini Bob wearing rainbow colors is what it will take to change these things. Jay said it best 'Do you wanna be a trend or do you wanna be Ralph Lauren?"

Donjazet2:
Think of it this way, if we had very rich country host a world cup but had a historical culture of killing people on basis of their skin color, ie killing black people, wouldn't you chime in advocating for the global platform to be used as a means of sensitizing others to the danger of the issue??

Which Western country does not have a history of killing or plundering black people. Lol abeg talk something new. This is the more reason we are pointing out their hypocrisy. You should hold the leaders of these countries and their footballing bodies to account for taking their monies. Almost every major league in Europe has Qatar or Saudi money or both. They were well aware of their laws and religious beliefs while taking their money

Just like kneeling was useless, wearing a bunch of armbands is also useless and does nothing to address these issues at it's core. Deliberate and organic action and not performative nonsense is what brings real change

Donjazet2:
LGBT rights have not been an issue in the last few world cups because gays are not killed in the countries that have hosted them and the host countries have had no issue with LGBT fans. From Russia18, to Brazil14 to south Africa10 and Germany 06, all these countries are quite receptive to LGBT people.

But you have this in a country where gay people are publicly hanged to death. the country is hostile to gay people which means that fans who used to go to the world cup with their partners would be unable to do that. Common man, that's not right.

Who told you Russia has no issue with LGBT lifestyle? Russia is passing anti LGBT propaganda in their media space as we speak and Brazil have their laws too. Those activities are bigly frowned upon there

One thing you have to understand is that these countries eastwards still believe in the traditional type of family which LGBT lifestyle is of course against. So you're never going to get to the level of the West in that respect.

What activists should do is to push for the society to show more tolerance via the appropriate mediums and processes. You can see how Saudi are giving women more rights. It's not by disrupting a tournament with your rainbows and bongos and other agenda that is being pushed by majority of people who are not even football fans and keep pushing for the disruption of the tournament.

These people have not said you should not be gay. They have said don't do it in their premises. I'm sure if I came to your house even in your house you have your rules and regulations. I can't just enter your kitchen and start taking meat from your soup pot or light my Colorado or Arizona and start smoking

Donjazet2:
This is too broad and theoretical.

I'm asking you to be more specific about the advantages of me upholding Igbo culture.

What is the advantage of me having an Igbo identity?
Please note that I'm very specific about my tribe here? You could also answer using your own tribe as the example if it suits your answer better.

What's the advantage of you breathing? Have you seen any human that survives without breathing?

Just like no man can survive without breathing air, no one can also survive without having a culture.

You need need a culture (specifically language, one of the elements of culture) to interact with others, and if you don't interact with others, you can't survive alone.

You mentioned the advantages for you as an Igbo man. The basic needs of humans are the same across various cultures and races around the world: food, shelter, air and water.

Without interacting with others using a language, you can't get these basic needs whether you're Igbo, Yoruba, English, or Arab.

If your dad had chosen to be gay without adopting a child you won't have been born into this world, everything about sodomy is bad. And don't say there isn't an agenda to shove it down people's throats especially kids and teenagers, in the West for instance state schools are teaching kids homosexuality in the guise of sex education; also we have homosexual characters in movies and we see rainbow coloured armband worn by football captains across different leagues watched by millions of viewers across the globe including young and old people.

Yay or nay

Emmynator:
Yay or nay

Very good. I support this.

A001:
What's the advantage of you breathing? Have you seen any human that survives without breathing?

Just like no man can survive without breathing air, no one can also survive without having a culture.

You need need a culture (specifically language, one of the elements of culture) to interact with others, and if you don't interact with others, you can't survive alone.

You mentioned the advantages for you as an Igbo man. The basic needs of humans are the same across various cultures and races around the world: food, shelter, air and water.
Without interacting with others using a language, you can't get these basic needs whether you're Igbo, Yoruba, English, or Arab.

Okay, very good that you've started being a bit specific, now you mentioned language being a key part of culture.
Now remember that my first question was; as an Igbo man, why is my Igbo identity important? You've replied that culture is as important as breathing, it's something we can't do without, that If I'm not igbo, then I'm definitely adopting another person's language.

To which I will now ask you, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT??
I mean, I imagine that Nigerians having a common language like English, even though it's not any of our indigenous language, has been much better for all of us, I mean here we are, both communicating, speaking and writing in English and being better for it, our cultural identity (language) playing zero roll whatsoever.

I mean, many cultures have been lost to time and we (the human race) are still waxing strong.
Is anything wrong with all of humanity losing the very different aspects of culture and adopting a unifying culture or identity??

I imagine that many normal abroadians here have entirely adopted their new culture and have shed most of their old cultural identity and are thriving because of this. They speak the language of their host country, they eat the meals that are indigenous to their host country, they dress in the attire of their host country, I mean for the most part, they've shed all shreds of their African identity and I ask you, is anything wrong with that?

A40:
We have teachers in schools tricking kids into taking injections to permanently alter their gender. Kids being taken to drag clubs. We have movies now with all gay characters and gay characters in cartoon
Don't tell me there's no agenda going on. If you insist on choosing naivete that's your choice but don't sell me that there's no agenda going on

I don't believe anyone should be killed for their sexual preferences but what does wearing rainbow gear have to do with that? You think Tran Dan and Bikini Bob wearing rainbow colors is what it will take to change these things. Jay said it best 'Do you wanna be a trend or do you wanna be Ralph Lauren?"

Which Western country does not have a history of killing or plundering black people. Lol abeg talk something new. This is the more reason we are pointing out their hypocrisy. You should hold the leaders of these countries and their footballing bodies to account for taking their monies. Almost every major league in Europe has Qatar or Saudi money or both. They were well aware of their laws and religious beliefs while taking their money
Just like kneeling was useless, wearing a bunch of armbands is also useless and does nothing to address these issues at it's core. Deliberate and organic action and not performative nonsense is what brings real change

Who told you Russia has no issue with LGBT lifestyle? Russia is passing anti LGBT propaganda in their media space as we speak and Brazil have their laws too. Those activities are bigly frowned upon there

One thing you have to understand is that these countries eastwards still believe in the traditional type of family which LGBT lifestyle is of course against. So you're never going to get to the level of the West in that respect.

What activists should do is to push for the society to show more tolerance via the appropriate mediums and processes. You can see how Saudi are giving women more rights. It's not by disrupting a tournament with your rainbows and bongos and other agenda that is being pushed by majority of people who are not even football fans and keep pushing for the disruption of the tournament.

These people have not said you should not be gay. They have said don't do it in their premises. I'm sure if I came to your house even in your house you have your rules and regulations. I can't just enter your kitchen and start taking meat from your soup pot or light my Colorado or Arizona and start smoking

I mean I do agree with you that there are some extreme elements on the liberal side of this, but it's never wise to use extremism to define a position. It's just iike you advocating for religious tolerance and I start listing the extreme points of religious zealots and painting all religious people as extremists that want to bomb everyone that doesn't agree with their religion. That's exactly what you're doing.

I mean, just look at this plainly, in Qatar, if a gay person is caught, that person is a 100 percent guaranteed to die!! That's extremism by definition. That you have a culture that kills people purely on the basis of sexual orientation in the 21st century is alarming.
This wasn't an issue in other world cups because none of them share such an extreme position. Yes, there are varying degrees of tolerance about the issue but none of them have this extreme plurality in their society. One where gay people are guaranteed death and have to live in fear all their lives.

At this point, I ask you directly, DO YOU THINK LGBT PEOPLE SHOULD BE KILLED FOR EXPRESSING THEMSELVES??
That question above is very important because it defines your ideological stand and position on this argument.

Mumu with héar say or them say argument

Donjazet2:
I mean I do agree with you that there are some extreme elements on the liberal side of this, but it's never wise to use extremism to define a position. It's just iike you advocating for religious tolerance and I start listing the extreme points of religious zealots and painting all religious people as extremists that want to bomb everyone that doesn't agree with their religion. That's exactly what you're doing.

I mean, just look at this plainly, in Qatar, if a gay person is caught, that person is a 100 percent guaranteed to die!! That's extremism by definition. That you have a culture that kills people purely on the basis of sexual orientation in the 21st century is alarming.
This wasn't an issue in other world cups because none of them share such an extreme position. Yes, there are varying degrees of tolerance about the issue but none of them have this extreme plurality in their society. One where gay people are guaranteed death and have to live in fear all their lives.

At this point, I ask you directly, DO YOU THINK LGBT PEOPLE SHOULD BE KILLED FOR EXPRESSING THEMSELVES??
That question above is very important because it defines your ideological stand and position on this argument.

They should not be killed but at the same time they should be respectful of boundaries created by other societies.

The world is bigger than the where ever they come from.

Plus I think this outrage is just ironic, when you consider that majority of the clothes worn by these people are from brands who have been accused of using cheap human labour outside the US.

Donjazet2:
Okay, very good that you've started being a bit specific, now you mentioned language being a key part of culture.
Now remember that my first question was; as an Igbo man, why is my Igbo identity important? You've replied that culture is as important as breathing, it's something we can't do without, that If I'm not igbo, then I'm definitely adopting another person's language.

To which I will now ask you, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT??
I mean, I imagine that Nigerians having a common language like English, even though it's not any of our indigenous language, has been much better for all of us, I mean here we are, both communicating, speaking and writing in English and being better for it, our cultural identity (language) playing zero roll whatsoever.

I mean, many cultures have been lost to time and we (the human race) are still waxing strong.
Is anything wrong with all of humanity losing the very different aspects of culture and adopting a unifying culture or identity??

I imagine that many normal abroadians here have entirely adopted their new culture and have shed most of their old cultural identity and are thriving because of this. They speak the language of their host country, they eat the meals that are indigenous to their host country, they dress in the attire of their host country, I mean for the most part, they've shed all shreds of their African identity and I ask you, is anything wrong with that?

This your comment is why it's clear most are still under the British rule.

It seems you see being a slave or being colonized as something to be proud of. Many countries, including GB itself, were once colonized in the past by more powerful empires, but they strove hard to break free from colonial rule.

After gaining independence, these countries built their systems of education and religion and adopted their native language as their primary mode of communication and English as secondary (for non-English countries).

This shows the people have evolved enough intelligence to develop their education, religion, and language without using those imposed on them by the colonial masters.

If you want a country to develop, they must own their systems of education, religion, and language, not merely adopting the ones imposed on them by their masters.

These are the basic things that determine if a country develops or not. Because innovation, creativity, leadership are all in the head.

And it takes many intelligent people for a country to develop.

It will take a lot of intelligence to revamp the education sector and restructure the country.

But they must be done for the country to prosper.

You use local solutions to solve local problems, not adopt foreign solutions (tools of colonial masters) which makes you their slave.

It's clear the Western education system has failed in this part of the world. If our leaders were serious, they would have designed a better system of education since by incorporating teaching STEM in mother tongue using local examples.

If many Ibos reason like this, your culture will soon be wiped out from the face of Earth.

You'll lose your history and heritage. When your culture dies, you've become a slave to other cultures or owned by other cultures.

It seems there's something about being African that makes them love being enslaved or colonized.

About those abroad, I know many people that are still proud of their culture and contribute their quota to preserving it.

Don't generalize hastily. It's not everyone that worships the English culture, which isn't better than our local cultures.

Nigeria's problems are deep and severe.

The Muslims want the whole Nigeria to adopt Arabic being the language of Allah, who says he's God in Qur'an.

The Christians want the whole Nigeria to adopt the ways of the Israelites because Yahweh is the only true God.

You, an atheist who should know better, want the whole Nigeria to do away with their local cultures and adopt English culture and language.

You need to find a more reasonable reason to justify your neocolonialism campaign for the whites.

This is how some Africans aided the whites in looting the resources of their own people and land, in enslaving their own kith and kin.

Here you're displaying the same attitude that has brought Nigeria into such a deep mess.

Do people learn from history at all?

Donjazet2:
Nobody wants to "indoctrinate anyone" into any lifestyle.
They are just asking for fundamental basic human rights of queer people, is that really such a terrible thing?? Do you really believe that gay people should be killed for their choices, in this 21st century?

Being fvcked in the yansh is not a fundamental basic human right

Donjazet2:
Okay, very good that you've started being a bit specific, now you mentioned language being a key part of culture.
Now remember that my first question was; as an Igbo man, why is my Igbo identity important? You've replied that culture is as important as breathing, it's something we can't do without, that If I'm not igbo, then I'm definitely adopting another person's language.

To which I will now ask you, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT??
I mean, I imagine that Nigerians having a common language like English, even though it's not any of our indigenous language, has been much better for all of us, I mean here we are, both communicating, speaking and writing in English and being better for it, our cultural identity (language) playing zero roll whatsoever.

I mean, many cultures have been lost to time and we (the human race) are still waxing strong.
Is anything wrong with all of humanity losing the very different aspects of culture and adopting a unifying culture or identity??

I imagine that many normal abroadians here have entirely adopted their new culture and have shed most of their old cultural identity and are thriving because of this. They speak the language of their host country, they eat the meals that are indigenous to their host country, they dress in the attire of their host country, I mean for the most part, they've shed all shreds of their African identity and I ask you, is anything wrong with that?

[color=royalblue]I don't think so, sir. A good number of abroadians still practice their culture, over there. Remember where Ekweremadu was lynched in Germany? It was a cultural festival

Most abroadians prefer to come in July for my village festival than December sef

For me, i just against some of the babaric practices of culture. Identity is important, but we need to get rid of some of the inhumane practices in the name of "culture".
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[color=royalblue]So Japanese fans stayed behind and cleaned up the stadium after the Qatar vs Ecuador game?

What a people![/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I don't think so, sir. A good number of abroadians still practice their culture, over there. Remember where Ekweremadu was lynched in Germany? It was a cultural festival

Most abroadians prefer to come in July for my village festival than December sef

For me, i just against some of the babaric practices of culture. Identity is important, but we need to get rid of some of the inhumane practices in the name of "culture".
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I know that some abroadians still cling to parts of their culture but I'm saying that for most, it's just farcical at best.

It's very practical to adapt to your new surrounding than clinging unto your old identity. A001 did not address my question adequately.
I'm asking him what is really the importance of one's cultural identity and he's yet to be downright specific.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]So Japanese fans stayed behind and cleaned up the stadium after the Qatar vs Ecuador game?

What a people![/color]

We do that here in Festac also

StarchAndBanga:
Being fvcked in the yansh is not a fundamental basic human right

It shouldn't be in your place to determine what people choose to do with themselves.. they should have the freedom to do what they want and then live up to the consequence but they certainly don't deserve to lose their lives over it.
And mind you, anal sex which you described can be done by anyone, whether between males or male and female. Do you think that a guy and a girl who have anal sex should be killed?

Obooooooooiiiiii

What did I just read

Donjazet2:
I know that some abroadians still cling to parts of their culture but I'm saying that for most, it's just farcical at best.

It's very practical to adapt to your new surrounding than clinging unto your old identity. A001 did not address my question adequately.
I'm asking him what is really the importance of one's cultural identity and he's yet to be downright specific.

[color=royalblue]Your identity is you. That's who you are.

The beauty of the world is in its diversity. That i can go to Jamaica and see a different culture; I can go to Jalingo and understand another culture. Culture is a way of life. Even the Westernization you want us to adopt, is someone's culture.

The difference in the way we live and think is what makes life beautiful, and i wouldn't want that to be traded for anything

I even find it funny that people change their surnames. Some remove their surname, and give their name to their kids.

Your culture is who you are[/color]

Nezzjnr:
Obooooooooiiiiii

What did I just read

you haven't heard or seen man and woman having anal sex

Nezzjnr:
We do that here in Festac also

[color=royalblue]I am just imagining the kind of values instilled into them as a kid.

I read online that Japanese Schools don't have cleaners (I don't know if it is true). The students are responsible for cleaning the school.
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Donjazet2:
It shouldn't be in your place to determine what people choose to do with themselves.. they should have the freedom to do what they want and then live up to the consequence but they certainly don't deserve to lose their lives over it.
And mind you, anal sex which you described can be done by anyone, whether between males or male and female. Do you think that a guy and a girl who have anal sex should be killed?

I don't have an issue if one derives pleasure in fvckin his fellow guy but don't shove it down our throats as "Fundamental Human Right".

Again, being fvcked in the yansh is not a fundamental human right

liveLongNprospa:
They should not be killed but at the same time they should be respectful of boundaries created by other societies

The world is bigger than the where ever they come from.

Plus I think this outrage is just ironic, when you consider that majority of the clothes worn by these people are from brands who have been accused of using cheap human labour outside the US.

Do you recognize that this was the exact same argument that pro apartheid groups in south Africa used?
When the western countries railed against apartheid in south Africa, some people would say the west should mind it's business after all blacks in America were not treated much different, that it was hypocritical of America to talk against apartheid and racism in South Africa while america was experiencing same.

Well, 2 wrongs don't make a right, you don't use a negative to justify another negative. So because the west isn't perfect mean they shouldn't campaign against other imperfections?? Why can't we address both issues separately? We can campaign against the 2 negative issues separately.

StarchAndBanga:
I don't have an issue if one derives pleasure in fvckin his fellow guy but don't shove it down our throats as "Fundamental Human Right".

Again, being fvcked in the yansh is not a fundamental human right

Please what do you understand by the term "fundamental human right" because the contradiction in your post clearly indicates you have no idea what the term means. You just said you have no issue with people being gay but they don't deserve fundamental human rights, can you reconcile the statement?

Nezzjnr:
Obooooooooiiiiii

What did I just read

Which of my points do you object to?

A001:
This your comment is why it's clear most are still under the British rule.

It seems you see being a slave or being colonized as something to be proud of. Many countries, including GB itself, were once colonized in the past by more powerful empires, but they strove hard to break free from colonial rule.

I'm appealing for your post's to be precise and concise. You usually end up going off a tangent when addressing a particular subject.

One minute I'm asking the importance of my tribal identity, the next minute I'm being termed a slave, how we got to that point, I know not.

A001, in our country alone, we have more than 700 different ethnic groups. Nigeria is a place where for every 20 kilometers you walk, you see a different ethnic group with different culture. Over the years, many cultures have died off as there is more acculturation that takes place. In our quest to be united as a society, we have to sacrifice our separate identities to meld as one. Why do you think one has to fightbto maintain his cultural identity? What if i wanted to see myself more as yoruba man than an Igbo man? Will it be wrong?

I just bought fuel at 230/litre this morning.

Why exactly is the price of fuel going up? Is the government secretly phasing out subsidy?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I am just imagining the kind of values instilled into them as a kid.

I read online that Japanese Schools don't have cleaners (I don't know if it is true). The students are responsible for cleaning the school.
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The Qatar guy thought they were doing it for the Camera .