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FatherOfJesus:
Until you disprove me, I am right and you are wrong

I and Bobby himself have already told you, you are mad, but as usual with mad people, dem too mad to hear.

FatherOfJesus:
If you don’t know the facts, then you cannot make conclusions.
That’s not how it works, if you don’t know, just say you don’t know. Don’t assume without facts.

Whenever you assume a conclusion from not knowing, it’s called fallacy of appealing to ignorance. It’s a very bad way of reaching conclusions

Again, because you don't know something or everything about the Creator or a Maker means that qualifies or means that what is made has no Maker right?

Aemmyjah:
Again, because you don't know something or everything about the Creator or a Maker means that qualifies or means that what is made has no Maker right?

It also doesn’t mean there’s a creator either.

There’s no crime in saying that “I don’t know”

Dtruthspeaker:
I and Bobby himself have already told you, you are mad, but as usual with mad people, dem too mad to hear.

You and Bobby are like filthy rats in the face of our noodly lord, Flying Spaghetti Monster

FatherOfJesus:
It also doesn’t mean there’s a creator either.

There’s no crime in saying that “I don’t know”

Stop shifting post

As to nature, everything in the universe, using the law of cause and effects, do these things have a Maker or not? Simple as ABC

Aemmyjah:
Stop shifting post

As to nature, everything in the universe, using the law of cause and effects, do these things have a Maker or not? Simple as ABC

Yes, using the law of cause and effect, the creator will also have a creator.

If you think the creator cannot have a creator then why cant the universe not have a creator?

Dtruthspeaker:
See, mannequin thinking that because he knows he is made of plastic it's creator too must be made of plastic.

Is it a must that there must be another intelligent designer who designed the intelligent designer?

Just imagine this, because we don't know everything about an inventor or the one who made something does not mean that it does not exist
We are talking about the things made and not who made them. Does the things made have a Maker
If you go to the world's richest estate and a guide is taking you round the estate and he comes by a house made of bamboo and he is shocked cos, an hour ago, he came by and no bamboo house was there, no bamboo was brought into the gate and the security and gatekeepers never saw anyone bring bamboo, will a sensible person conclude that the house just came by itself.

If the Creator had a creator, how and why should he be regarded as a Creator? Even today in the natural world, there are things and phenomenon that physicists, biologist and chemist see as mysterious, unfathomable, they doubt if they can fully understand them, how much more the Creator?
Foolish atheist always think they can outsmart the Creator cos they claim to be wise in their own eyes. They don't accept the existence of a Creator or deity or God but they want to find evidence that the Creator was created to believe that every thing, every design in the natural world has a creator. Their understanding is worse than animals

FatherOfJesus:
Yes, using the law of cause and effect, the creator will also have a creator.

If you think the creator cannot have a creator then why cant the universe not have a creator?

Life, the universe, stars, moons, planets, orbits, rain, temperature, cycles, etc
Were they made by someone or they came by themselves?
In one word, pick the answer

Aemmyjah:
Life, the universe, stars, moons, planets, orbits, rain, temperature, cycles, etc
Were they made by someone or they came by themselves?
In one word, pick the answer

If you think they can’t come by themselves, why do you think a creator can come by his or herself?

FatherOfJesus:
If you think they can’t come by themselves, why do you think a creator can come by his or herself?

Pls, answer my question like an intelligent person if you really are and not like a drunk

Again, everything is the natural world is an art of design. Nobody dispute that

Are they the result of an intelligent designer or they came by chance? In one word

Or for example, is your brain a result of intelligent design or it came on its own by accident?

Aemmyjah:
Pls, answer my question like an intelligent person if you really are and not like a drunk

Again, everything is the natural world is an art of design. Nobody dispute that

Are they the result of an intelligent designer or they came by chance? In one word

Or for example, is your brain a result of intelligent design or it came on its own by accident?

I don’t know, do you know?

If you think they were created then who created the creator?
If the creator wasn’t created then why can’t all these things also create themselves?

I don’t know anything, you are the expert here

FatherOfJesus:
I don’t know, do you know?

If you think they were created then who created the creator?
If the creator wasn’t created then why can’t all these things also create themselves?

I don’t know anything, you are the expert here

What I am asking is not rocket science?
You seem to be dodging
You for remain in your own shell when others were talking but you just want to come out and play
If you can't answer my questions, you're free to return to your shell

Aemmyjah:
What I am asking is not rocket science?
You seem to be dodging
You for remain in your own shell when others were talking but you just want to come out and play
If you can't answer my questions, you're free to return to your shell

Its rocket science, I don’t know the answer to your question.
Do you know the answer?

FatherOfJesus:
Its rocket science, I don’t know the answer to your question.
Do you know the answer?

Alright, kindly go back to your shell
There are some categories of people that are not worth conversing with
Eyes they have, they cannot see
Ears they have, they cannot hear
They have brain, they can't comprehend anything but they claim to be wise. When you try to draw them out so they can prove their wisdom, they begin to whine
Since you don't know, there's no need to answer
You yourself know that some people are not worth explaining or answering their questions, even the simplest questions

Aemmyjah:
Alright, kindly go back to your shell
There are some categories of people that are not worth conversing with
Eyes they have, they cannot see
Ears they have, they cannot hear
They have brain, they can't comprehend anything but they claim to be wise. When you try to draw them out so they can prove their wisdom, they begin to whine
Since you don't know, there's no need to answer
You yourself know that some people are not worth explaining or answering their questions, even the simplest questions

How?
I sincerely do not know the answer to your question and I want you to enlighten me?

Is there a creator?

FatherOfJesus:
How?
I sincerely do not know the answer to your question and I want you to enlighten me?

Is there a creator?

No, there is no creator. Everything came by accident. The hands, legs, eyes, nose- all the cells, tissues, organs and systems, including your brain just made themselves and formed an intelligent human. The air you breathe, the water you drink (of without these, there will be no life) came by themselves

Why not look into the mirror and look carefully at what you see. Touch those things one by one and consider if they were made or you're a product of mindless chance. If they were not made, they are useless and purposeless but if they were made, then they must have purpose. Everything is up to you to consider and conclude for yourself

Aemmyjah:
No, there is no creator. Everything came by accident. The hands, legs, eyes, nose- all the cells, tissues, organs and systems, including your brain just made themselves and formed an intelligent human. The air you breathe, the water you drink (of without these, there will be no life) came by themselves

oh okay, great

Why not look into the mirror and look carefully at what you see. Touch those things one by one and consider if they were made or you're a product of mindless chance. If they were not made, they are useless and purposeless but if they were made, then they must have purpose. Everything is up to you to consider and conclude for yourself

i just did that, the conclusion I just reached is that my parents had sex hence I exist

FatherOfJesus:
oh okay, great

i just did that, the conclusion I just reached is that my parents had sex hence I exist

Good, you know the reproductive organs or parts vital in producing and bearing children. They came by accident right?

Aemmyjah:
Good, you know the reproductive organs or parts vital in producing and bearing children. They came by accident right?

their parents gave it to them same way I inherited mine from them

Aemmyjah:
Just imagine this, because we don't know everything about an inventor or the one who made something does not mean that it does not exist.

The fools forget that we are first talking about things in existence which is the invented and the inventor.

Further questions about the inventor is a different issue.

Aemmyjah:
Foolish atheist always think they can outsmart the Creator cos they claim to be wise in their own eyes. They don't accept the existence of a Creator or deity or God but they want to find evidence that the Creator was created to believe that every thing, every design in the natural world has a creator. Their understanding is worse than animals

You know, their problem is that these former churchgoers thought they were smart until one atheist came and made them see that they were foolish. So now this time around, here we are telling them a second time on this same issue that they are stupid. Dem no go gree na, aha make d whole world Kon see say dem be fool twice?

So did time they have to die in their stupidity for it is a great and terrible shame for them to return to being church goers again.

FatherOfJesus:
You and Bobby are like filthy rats in the face of our noodly lord, Flying Spaghetti Monster

Now you are abusing your beloved Bobby, the creator of your indomie, damn, you are spectacularly mad!

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are abusing your beloved Bobby, the creator of your indomie, damn, you are spectacularly mad!

yes na, Bobby is only a messenger of the lord

why are you pained?

Dtruthspeaker:
The fools forget that we are first talking about things in existence which is the invented and the inventor.

Further questions about the inventor is a different issue.



You know, their problem is that these former churchgoers thought they were smart until one atheist came and made them see that they were foolish. So now this time around, here we are telling them a second time on this same issue that they are stupid. Dem no go gree na, aha make d whole world Kon see say dem be fool twice?

So did time they have to die in their stupidity for it is a great and terrible shame for them to return to being church goers again.

Dtruthspeaker:
See, mannequin thinking that because he knows he is made of plastic it's creator too must be made of plastic.

Is it a must that there must be another intelligent designer who designed the intelligent designer?

Let me flip the question for you as well

Is it a must that the intelligent designer should not also have another intelligent designer who created them?

Wilgrea7:
Let me flip the question for you as well
Is it a must that the intelligent designer should not also have another intelligent designer who created them?

The funny thing about this your question is the way you concluded.
Did the Creator has another Creator?
YES of course!
The Bible said:

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. Colossians 1:15-16

So the creator has a Creator but what has that got to do with us as we are alive and know that we need divine guidance?
The reason intelligent beings do deliberate on supremacy is all about right and wrong or whose right is it to set standards?

Therefore instead of demanding for the King who gave birth to the King who gave birth to the King who gave birth to the King who gave birth to the King who gave birth to the King that is on the throne, the intelligent question to ask is whose standard yields positive results that's beneficial to one and all.

Real intellectuals don't tie themselves down with a problem rather we go for a solution!

Wilgrea7:
Let me flip the question for you as well..

You can not flip the question especially as you are supposed to settle it by giving a valid answer.

But because you know that none of your answers can be True (for we have reached the end of Truth) so now you think you can now put us in your foolish position where the Truth does not support you, so, you like the criminals that you are, you now decided to commit the crime of "Switching and Reversing the burden of proof. WHERE'AS, THE BURDEN ENDED ON TOP OF YOUR DEAD BODIES.

AND BY YOUR ATTEMPT TO REVERSR IT, IT MEANS YOU CAN NOT REMOVE IT SO YOU PEOPLE LOSE!"

Thus, the other guy I first answered respected himself and stayed away rather than commit a crime but you had to come and commit the crime.

So get back to your failure corner! All una use of unlawful argument things will not be allowed at all.

You people have no valid argument 5o make which is why at the proper end of any argument, you have to resort to crimes of argument known as fallacies, to remove yourselves from your Wrong and Failure Corners

FatherOfJesus:
why are you pained?

Stupidity and foolishness causes pain. No one can endure them.

FatherOfJesus:
yes na, Bobby is only a messenger of the lord

And your madness does not allow you to respect that your messenger has already said "na play we dey play"! Well, that is what makes you mad.

Dtruthspeaker:
Stupidity and foolishness causes pain. No one can endure them.

May the noodly lord relieve you of your frustration and pain

Ramen

FatherOfJesus:
May the noodly lord relieve you of your frustration and pain

Ramen

Telling stupid and foolish people that they are fools and stupid, takes the pain away and brings me joy. So eat your rotten indomie.

Wilgrea7:
Let me flip the question for you as well

Is it a must that the intelligent designer should not also have another intelligent designer who created them?

Well, then, we meet again
I hope you have flexed your muscles

My turn
Let me flip the question for you

On what basis or judgment or measurement do you base this question of yours? By human standard or reproduction?
We all know that you can't use that of humans to judge certain microorganisms. Some replicate and some reproduce, others by regeneration, similarly, you can't use that of humans for that of many plants. You may set a whole forest on and the whole area is sand but it feels years time, the whole area becomes a forest again. How will you explain how these things turn out to a small boy when nobody came into that land to plant anything.

How much more the Creator, a higher spirit being? You see how foolish and stupid your argument can be? Atheist want to disprove the existence of a Creator so they can prove their own selfish, animalistic wisdom and they don't want to feel accountable to God for their own selfish, obscene desires.


A robot can be 'intelligent' but he will never be intelligent to know everything about his Maker. It is foolish to use his basis to make conclusion on his more intelligent Maker.
Can your dog understand everything about you, your birth, your marriage, your age, your length of days?
Yet some people like a pet dog want to be smarter than its owner, they want to disprove their owner and wander on their own. The owner will surely look for his beloved dog but a useless, stupid dog that claim to be wise and want to live alone is not worth any use. He is gone, dead in the eyes of its owner

Dtruthspeaker:
Telling stupid and foolish people that they are fools and stupid, takes the pain away and brings me joy. So eat your rotten indomie.

A fool says in his heart that there’s no Flying Spaghetti Monster