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madapcmod:
Show where the Pope SUPPORTS gay or remain cursed for this blatant lie

olahero:
Igbokwenu I love that

unclejb2:
yes Church of Nigeria which planted that church is 100% anti gay.

The church of Nigeria Anglican Communion broke away from the Church of England because of gay issues.

Elidrisy20:
you don't know he is in support of same-sex civil union abi? You are out of this world

Igboslayer:
The Anglican Church in US is church of Nigeria ba…You can’t justify foolishness.

unclejb2:
. My dad is a clergy of the church of Nigeria. In time past, My dad had been posted on foreign evangelical missions, to the UK, US and Dubai.

You can go to google, so you can certify your wretchedness in stupidity.

Church of Nigeria has planted churches in several parts of the world. If you don't know, just ask and you would be taught.

ogbonti:
They reject homosexual Bishop but they can’t wait to vote for the DEMOCRAT party that supports and promote Homosexuality not just in the society but in Church. A political party under Barack Obama in 2012 that went to the Supreme Court to fight that Homosexuals and Lesbians must wed in churches even against the will of the Clergy


When election comes all of them you see here wi rush to vote for the democrat party and be insulting Trump and most of them
don’t even know why they are voting democrats, just because CNN say Republicans are evil - then they put their common sense on vacation and vote against their own conscience

Ntoooooorrrrr - deal with it - Gay Bishops must pastor over you and Karashika must be the choir mistress - so that whenever election comes you will have sense

I hate rubbish!

Igboslayer:
The Anglican Church in US is church of Nigeria ba…You can’t justify foolishness.

Igboslayer:
Mumu man don involve him father for stupidity. Your parent should be ashamed of you, for trying to use their name to justify your stupidity…

Nigeria church will succeed in promoting anti LGBTQ agenda in the US that has a law in place promoting it…. You are not wise obviously.

naptu2:
He is absolutely and totally correct and you are completely wrong (in fact, you don't know what you are talking about).

There was a crisis in the Anglican Communion in the early 2000s when the Episcopal Church (that is, the Anglican Church in the US) wanted to ordain gay clergy. Several clerics in the developing world, most notably, Archbishop Peter Akinola, the Primate of the Church of Nigeria, Anglican Communion, were opposed to the ordination of gay clergy and they demanded that the Epsicopal Church should be expelled from the Anglican Communion. This almost broke the Anglican Communion apart.


Some Anglicans in the United States and Canada, who do not agree with the ordination of gay clergy, decided to transfer their loyalty and allegiance from the Episcopal Church in the US and the Anglican Church in Canada to dioceses in the developing world. Some declared their allegiance to the Church of Nigeria, some declared their allegiance to the Church of Rwanda, etc.

That's one of the issues behind the conflict in this church. One of the groups in this church (led by Bishop Unigbe) have declared their allegiance to the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), while the other group (led by the visiting Bishop Ken Ross) has declared its allegiance to ACNA.

Next time, instead of insulting people, seek knowledge when you don't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Church_in_North_America

Igboslayer:
Sorry you didn’t get the argument but rushed into conclusion that has no basis on the subject matter. You instead read the basis for the argument before you hastily jumped into conclusions to derail the subject matter.

1. Nobody deny whether there are Anglican churches controlled by the Church of Nigeria in the USA.

What we are discussing is that do they have enough influence to institute their no gay stance in the US and beyond. NO SIR. The Episcopal church of US and Church of England are owned and run by the state. They implement their policies.

Church of Nigeria only aligned with Anglican churches in the US and Canada that were never part of the Episcopal church or Church of England in the first place but churches that shared similar doctrine in opposing the gay right issues. They are in the minority.

2. The second argument is whether they will (Church or Nigeria) succeed in their anti LGBTQ in the US. For you information, they are in the minority in the US.

The Episcopal Church is the largest congress of Anglicans in the US, the Nigerian voice as seen in the video is just a minority there.

FIY do you know that in those African Anglican churches in the US, worship under police protection?

Oga so the history of those churches you tried to incorporate into the subject matter to sound knowledgeable do not impact on the facts the Nigerian churches, and their alliance will succeed in the US.

naptu2:
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

The Episcopal Church of the United States is not owned by the US State or Government. It is a religious organisation, just like any other. They are also entitled to freedom of worship, just like any other religious organisation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(United_States)

The US Government does not own any religious organisation (see separation of church and state).

For example, are you aware that these churches have the right to refuse to perform same sex marriage?

Anyway, I know that you are trying to flee from your earlier point. The point is that these churches have pledged their allegiance to the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) and other similar churches from the global south and they are no longer in communion with the Episcopal Church due to differences over gay marriage and ordination of gay clergy. These churches do not conduct same sex marriage, neither do they ordain gay clergy. Therefore, the guy you insulted is right and you are wrong.

Have a good day.

Igboslayer:
Your biases are understandable, but still you need some education.

I will implore you to visit this site of the Episcopal Church and their relationship with the US Government and their role in Equity in implementing government’s gay policy in churches… this obviously you are ignorant of.

https://www.episcopalchurch.org/ministries/office-government-relations/ongoing-work/

The argument is about the right of the Church of Nigeria to promote anti gay agenda in communities that has institutionalized this ideas both as law and state policy with the episcopal church as the ready tool implementing it across the US and beyond. Remember Episcopal church is not only an Anglican thing.

You are all just too sentimental about Church of Nigeria nonsensical ideal in promoting it’s values in community where it has been rejected. Hence apportioning whether someone is right or wrong is beyond your understanding of the subject matter.

naptu2:
I have no bias in this. Rather, I am simply pointing out the errors in your posts and you keep shifting the goal posts in order to run away from those errors. Therefore, I am going to ask you direct questions. Let's see if you can answer them.

1) You claimed that the Episcopal Church is owned by the US State. Is this true? (yes or no will suffice).

2) Are there churches in the US and Canada that have pledged allegiance to churches in the global south, for example the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) and the Church of Rwanda? (A simple yes or no will suffice)

3) Are these churches forced to ordain gay clergy and conduct same sex marriages? (A simple yes or no will suffice).

I am not interested in any other arguments, I am simply pointing out the errors in your post and you will see these errors when you try to answer my questions (please don't run away from the questions).

Igboslayer:
1) You claimed that the Episcopal Church is owned by the US State. Is this true? (yes or no will suffice). Yes based on their history until they left The Church of England... still under indiect control of the government. You may want to visit
this site on clarity. https://www.episcopalchurch.org/ministries/office-government-relations/ongoing-work/

2) Are there churches in the US and Canada that have pledged allegiance to churches in the global south, for example the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) and the Church of Rwanda? (A simple yes or no will suffice)

Yes there are churches that have strategic partnership with the Nigerian church and other churches based on doctrine. The question is of what relevance is this to the subject matter.

So also they are other churches that pledge allegiance to the Church of England...even though Episcopal churches are not under the control of England and still holds the same values in some doctrines like the gay right issues, yet Independent.

3) Are these churches forced to ordain gay clergy and conduct same sex marriages? (A simple yes or no will suffice). No they don't but they mostly congregate under police protection most times in heavily populated areas. Why do they assemble under protection?

naptu2:
Thank God you have admitted your error in 2 of the 3. Now to cure your error in the 3.

1) The doctrine of separation of church and state is an essential law in the United States. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." This means that the government owns no religion or religious organisation. This has been further reinforced by many decisions of the United States Supreme Court. The Episcopal Church does not belong to the United States Government and this is as clear as day.


Now to re-emphasis the other issues.

2) There are churches in the United States that have pledged allegiance to churches in the global south like the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion). This is a fact.

3) No church is forced to ordain gay clergy or to conduct same sex marriages (in fact, the Respect For Marriage Act that was recently signed by President Biden emphasizes this fact).

C'est fini.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state#United_States

Igboslayer:
Believe the first amendment at your own peri.

The question you should ask yourself is why is it easy for the Episcopal Church to break away from the bible doctrine of the Anglican communion and embrace the State sponsored gay right, LGBTQ and other equity agenda to the detriment of destroying relationships with other churches that do not share the same values.

Why do you think it was possible for them to uphold this values? If truly there are separation of powers as given by the first amendment...don't be fooled. Looks like you did not visit this site

https://www.episcopalchurch.org/ministries/office-government-relations/ongoing-work/ to be properly informed about the stance of US government on gay right and how Episcopal church are part of its social engineering tools to promote it. Does this sound like adherence to the first amendment?

naptu2:
This is comical. You have accepted that the United States Government does not own the Episcopal Church, or are you now going back on what you said? Are you now saying that the Episcopal Church is owned by the United States Government.

Igboslayer:
The state promotes LGBTQ agenda, why did the church jumped on it? If the state do not own the church? Ask yourself.

naptu2:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I see that you just want to have the last word, so I'll let you have it. You can post whatever you like, I won't read it or reply.

opalu:
Homosexuals can go and form their own religion. Let them leave Christianity alone for STRAIGHT and STRAIGHT-FORWARD humans.

Mercury12:
I knew the b*stard bishop was pathetic homosexual and that was why he was most likely rejected.
The gang up by Satan homosexual mindless footsoldiers shall fail .
Bunch of dirty and confused abominables suffering from sexual, gender and identity crises

VoltageDivida:
As much as it's commendable of them for standing their grounds and refusing to be part of what they don't believe in, they must also know that they are in another man's land with their own set of rules and beliefs which must be respected.

As long as the law of the land permits homosexuality and the church there accepts it, they must find a way to accommodate it themselves.

Emperormartin:
Igbos don't believe in homosexuality; Africa generally don't.

Terver90:
We worship GOD not onyibo

blaise26abj:
And so what ? They don’t want a pro-homosexual bishop in their church . It is as simple as that . He should go to other churches or parishes that will embrace him . Why force yourself on people when you are not wanted ? It’s nonsense . Woke-ism will not destroy this generation .

drakeli:
Seems like you have no clue what that phrase “land of the free” stands for. That’s why they’re free to stand for what they want. The gay bishop too his free to go where he’s wanted. Not impose himself on others