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TenQ:
You said:
At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO MAP

Who is at fault, Ukraine or NATO?

Why didn't Russia fight NATO?

Because nato ran away from Ukraine did you not see it.

If nato was a good friend it should have stayed and fight Russia lol.

Kingsnairaland:
Because nato ran away from Ukraine did you not see it.

If nato was a good friend it should have stayed and fight Russia lol.

NATO ran away from Ukraine or NATO ran away from Russia?

So why invade Ukraine and not NATO countries?

TenQ:
This is the exact common sense that Russia could have used. If Ukraine joined NATO, Russia will put her missiles into Cuba or something similar!

Unfortunately, the main objective of Russia was to create a land corridor to Cremia!

If Ukraine did not talk about joining nato cremia will still belong to Ukraine and no one will talk about land corridor.

TenQ:
NATO ran away from Ukraine or NATO ran away from Russia?

So why invade Ukraine and not NATO countries?

If your neighbor is training snakes in his house and the snake is climbing your fence and bitting your children do you go to the market and kill the person selling the snake or do you kill your neighbor.

Kingsnairaland:
If Ukraine did not talk about joining nato cremia will still belong to Ukraine and no one will talk about land corridor.

Ukraine NEVER EVER even discussed joining NATO until Cremia was annexed by Russia!

I challenge you to the contrary!

Kingsnairaland:
If your neighbor is training snakes in his house and the snake is climbing your fence and bitting your children do you go to the market and kill the person selling the snake or do you kill your neighbor.

Can you kindly Explain how Ukrainian "snakes" were biting Russians?

TenQ:
Ukraine NEVER EVER even discussed joining NATO until Cremia was annexed by Russia!

I challenge you to the contrary!

NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO


Russia formally incorporated Crimea on 18 March 2014. Following the annexation, Russia escalated its military presence on the peninsula and made threats to solidify the new status quo on the ground.
Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Annexation...


Check the two years and tell me who first find trouble.

TenQ:
Can you kindly Explain how Ukrainian "snakes" were biting Russians?

bringing nato near Russia is evil many USA people have been saying it since world War two you can check it I told you USA just want to sell weapons they don't love Ukraine or any other country.

Kingsnairaland:
NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO


Russia formally incorporated Crimea on 18 March 2014. Following the annexation, Russia escalated its military presence on the peninsula and made threats to solidify the new status quo on the ground.
Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Annexation...


Check the two years and tell me who first find trouble.

You have told me that NATO leaders took a decision BUT instead of Russia fighting NATO, Russia decided to fight Ukraine?

Kingsnairaland:
bringing nato near Russia is evil many USA people have been saying it since world War two you can check it I told you USA just want to sell weapons they don't love Ukraine or any other country.

Shouldn't Russia fight NATO that is causing trouble, what is the offence of Ukraine.

Except you can present a single evidence that show that Ukraine planned to join NATO. Your evidence must be earlier than 2014!

Over to you

TenQ:
You have told me that NATO leaders took a decision BUT instead of Russia fighting NATO, Russia decided to fight Ukraine?

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I ask you do you fight people selling snake or the one keeping it near your home.

TenQ:
Shouldn't Russia fight NATO that is causing trouble, what is the offence of Ukraine.

Except you can present a single evidence that show that Ukraine planned to join NATO. Your evidence must be earlier than 2014!

Over to you

NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO

TenQ:
Shouldn't Russia fight NATO that is causing trouble, what is the offence of Ukraine.

Except you can present a single evidence that show that Ukraine planned to join NATO. Your evidence must be earlier than 2014!

Over to you

you can see the date.

Kingsnairaland:
you can see the date.

So!?

TenQ:
So!?

2008 Bucharest Summit

So that where the problem began

I love USA but I hate intimidation

They are at fault and they need to stay in there lane or be destroyed.

Kingsnairaland:
2008 Bucharest Summit

So that where the problem began

I love USA but I hate intimidation

They are at fault and they need to stay in there lane or be destroyed.

What is the offence of Ukraine that you want them to become exactly like Belarus?

TenQ:
What is the offence of Ukraine that you want them to become exactly like Belarus?

Been neutral is not been like Belarus
. Nothing wrong with been neutral when your brother and your sister are fighting

You have to be the one to bring peace not joining one side to kill the other

Kingsnairaland:
Been neutral is not been like Belarus
. Nothing wrong with been neutral when your brother and your sister are fighting

You have to be the one to bring peace not joining one side to kill the other

Is Russia neutral?
Why did they annex Cremia from Ukraine in 2014?
Is Belarus neutral with respect to Ukraine and Russia?


Do you think Ukraine need protection?
To which country do Ukraine need protection?

TenQ:
Is Russia neutral?
Why did they annex Cremia from Ukraine in 2014?
Is Belarus neutral with respect to Ukraine and Russia?


Do you think Ukraine need protection?
To which country do Ukraine need protection?

Why are you going to the front of the problem without asking what caused the problem

I show you prove that USA caused the problem and your talking about the problem result instead of who going to the source.

Why m

Kingsnairaland:
Why are you going to the front of the problem without asking what caused the problem

I show you prove that USA caused the problem and your talking about the problem result instead of who going to the source.

Why m

Did Ukraine contemplate joining NATO prior to 2014?

This is the source!

TenQ:
Did Ukraine contemplate joining NATO prior to 2014?

This is the source!

Read this statement below to understand it



NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO

Kingsnairaland:
Read this statement below to understand it



NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO

That was not my Question: Russia should deal with NATO on that.

Did Ukraine contemplate joining NATO prior to 2014?

TenQ:
That was not my Question: Russia should deal with NATO on that.

Did Ukraine contemplate joining NATO prior to 2014?

the answer is yes.

They Ukraine and Georgia applied for it then nato said yes on 2008.

Russia dealt with Georgia back then and took their land and nato ran away

Then nato moved to Ukraine to test Russia again.

Kingsnairaland:
the answer is yes.

They Ukraine and Georgia applied for it then nato said yes on 2008.

Russia dealt with Georgia back then and took their land and nato ran away

Then nato moved to Ukraine to test Russia again.

Please, educate me with Evidence on how Ukraine applied to join NATO in 2008?

TenQ:
Please, educate me with Evidence on how Ukraine applied to join NATO in 2008?

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/833852.html


The final decision on joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by Ukraine depends only on its members, since the application for NATO membership was filed by Kyiv in 2008 and has not been withdrawn since then, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna has said.

"In 2008, Ukraine already applied for membership in NATO. It was the well-known "letter by Ukraine's top three leaders," and this application has never been withdrawn... Today, the decision [on Ukraine's membership in NATO] is up to NATO leaders who can consider our application in a package together with Sweden and Finland," Stefanishyna said during a national telethon on Saturday.

Kingsnairaland:
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/833852.html


The final decision on joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by Ukraine depends only on its members, since the application for NATO membership was filed by Kyiv in 2008 and has not been withdrawn since then, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna has said.

"In 2008, Ukraine already applied for membership in NATO. It was the well-known "letter by Ukraine's top three leaders," and this application has never been withdrawn... Today, the decision [on Ukraine's membership in NATO] is up to NATO leaders who can consider our application in a package together with Sweden and Finland," Stefanishyna said during a national telethon on Saturday.

Did you check when this document of yours was written?

14:40pm 21st May 2022
Meaning that is is unreliable> the same way they said Ukraine was ruled by the Neo-Nazis!

Kingsnairaland:
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/833852.html


The final decision on joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by Ukraine depends only on its members, since the application for NATO membership was filed by Kyiv in 2008 and has not been withdrawn since then, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna has said.

"In 2008, Ukraine already applied for membership in NATO. It was the well-known "letter by Ukraine's top three leaders," and this application has never been withdrawn... Today, the decision [on Ukraine's membership in NATO] is up to NATO leaders who can consider our application in a package together with Sweden and Finland," Stefanishyna said during a national telethon on Saturday.

Did you check when this document of yours was written?

14:40pm 21st May 2022
Meaning that is is unreliable> the same way they said Ukraine was ruled by the Neo-Nazis!

Did Putin ever accuse Ukraine of wanting to Join NATO?

If you knew your history. The problem started with Ukraine wanting to form an economic alliance with Europe through the EU.

Kingsnairaland:
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/833852.html


The final decision on joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization by Ukraine depends only on its members, since the application for NATO membership was filed by Kyiv in 2008 and has not been withdrawn since then, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna has said.

"In 2008, Ukraine already applied for membership in NATO. It was the well-known "letter by Ukraine's top three leaders," and this application has never been withdrawn... Today, the decision [on Ukraine's membership in NATO] is up to NATO leaders who can consider our application in a package together with Sweden and Finland," Stefanishyna said during a national telethon on Saturday.

Did you check when this document of yours was written?

14:40pm 21st May 2022
Meaning that is is unreliable> the same way they said Ukraine was ruled by the Neo-Nazis!

Did Putin ever accuse Ukraine of wanting to Join NATO?

If you knew your history. The problem started with Ukraine wanting to form an economic alliance with Europe through the EU instead of with Russia (as Europe was their biggest Market). The issue of NATO for Ukraine came only after 2014.

To Clarify this permanently:
What excuse did Putin give for Annexing Crimea and was NATO remotely part of the issue?



BUT
Honestly, would you have preferred Ukraine to become like Belarus?

Kingsnairaland:
the answer is yes.

They Ukraine and Georgia applied for it then nato said yes on 2008.

Russia dealt with Georgia back then and took their land and nato ran away

Then nato moved to Ukraine to test Russia again.

If Georgia applied for NATO membership and were denied, why do you think Russia then invaded Georgia and took their land?
Why do you think Georgia was afraid of the want to join a military alliance?

What do you think is making Finland and Sweden rethink their neutrality status with respect to Russia?
Do you think they both have reasons to be afraid of Russia?

TenQ:
Did you check when this document of yours was written?

14:40pm 21st May 2022
Meaning that is is unreliable> the same way they said Ukraine was ruled by the Neo-Nazis!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia

Nato
Bush backs Ukraine and Georgia for Nato membership

Luke Harding in Moscow
Tue 1 Apr 2008 11.49 BST

TenQ:
Did you check when this document of yours was written?

14:40pm 21st May 2022
Meaning that is is unreliable> the same way they said Ukraine was ruled by the Neo-Nazis!

Did Putin ever accuse Ukraine of wanting to Join NATO?

If you knew your history. The problem started with Ukraine wanting to form an economic alliance with Europe through the EU instead of with Russia (as Europe was their biggest Market). The issue of NATO for Ukraine came only after 2014.

To Clarify this permanently:
What excuse did Putin give for Annexing Crimea and was NATO remotely part of the issue?



BUT
Honestly, would you have preferred Ukraine to become like Belarus?

What excuse did Putin give for Annexing Crimea and was NATO remotely part of the issue?

Answer

In nato laws If you have land dispute you can not join nato

That why Russia took Georgia land and Ukraine Crimea

Now Ukraine began to collect nato weapons to get it back then war began

Fully.

Kingsnairaland:
What excuse did Putin give for Annexing Crimea and was NATO remotely part of the issue?

Answer

In nato laws If you have land dispute you can not join nato

That why Russia took Georgia land and Ukraine Crimea

Now Ukraine began to collect nato weapons to get it back then war began

Fully.

You didn't answer my Question:
What excuse (rational) did PUTIN give for Annexing Crimea?