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Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 11:39am On Jan 04, 2023
jaephoenix:
Molesting kids and women and hiding it, while presenting to the world that they are saints!
It's obvious you hate facts!
JWs never claim we are saints! wink
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 12:19pm On Jan 04, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I've told you what he meant besides the power to perform miracles is restricted to only the Israelites {Matthew 15:24} no single person outside Israel was given the power to perform miracles. Go and make your research before coming to argue with true Christians! wink
John 14:12
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and GREATER WORKS than these will he do, because I am going to the Father

From the bolded it clearly states Whoever, meaning whether Jews, Nigerians, Martians etc that believed in him can do much more of his works. And from what we agreed in, his works include preaching the word and miracle works.
Its either you have a severe lack of comprehension skills, dyslexic or just plain cretarded.
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:02pm On Jan 04, 2023
jaephoenix:
John 14:12
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and GREATER WORKS than these will he do, because I am going to the Father

From the bolded it clearly states Whoever, meaning whether Jews, Nigerians, Martians etc that believed in him can do much more of his works. And from what we agreed in, his works include preaching the word and miracle works.
Its either you have a severe lack of comprehension skills, dyslexic or just plain cretarded.
Hen nah!
The preaching and teaching campaign he ordered all his disciples {Matthew 28:19-20} but as for miracles ọmọ that will never be given to any other nationality except the descendants of Jacob (Israel)

So go and explain to your former pastors the interpretation of what Jesus said! wink
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 1:22pm On Jan 04, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah!
The preaching and teaching campaign he ordered all his disciples {Matthew 28:19-20} but as for miracles ọmọ that will never be given to any other nationality except the descendants of Jacob (Israel)

So go and explain to your former pastors the interpretation of what Jesus said! wink
What do you understand by the term 'Whoever?
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 1:59pm On Jan 04, 2023
jaephoenix:
What do you understand by the term 'Whoever?
WHOEVER among those that makes themselves available through the supernatural gifts God gave to Jews {Zechariah 8:23} will also be employed to join in making more disciples! Matthew 20:1-14
And the spirit and the bride keep on saying, “Come!” and let anyone hearing say, “Come!” and let anyone thirsting come; let anyone who wishes take life’s water free! Revelations 22:17
Don't be deceived, the only WORK none Jews can do for Jesus is to tell others what they heard but as for miracles none Israelites aren't concerned! Matthew 15:24 wink
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 2:27pm On Jan 04, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
WHOEVER among those that makes themselves available through the supernatural gifts God gave to Jews {Zechariah 8:23} will also be employed to join in making more disciples! Matthew 20:1-14
And the spirit and the bride keep on saying, “Come!” and let anyone hearing say, “Come!” and let anyone thirsting come; let anyone who wishes take life’s water free! Revelations 22:17
Don't be deceived, the only WORK none Jews can do for Jesus is to tell others what they heard but as for miracles none Israelites aren't concerned! Matthew 15:24 wink
A waste of school fees
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 2:33pm On Jan 04, 2023
jaephoenix:
A waste of school fees
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa it's the uncommon sense your former pastors never had! wink
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 10:47am On Jan 06, 2023
JEHOVAH is doing it everyday but only the wise can SEE it! smiley
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 2:57pm On Jan 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
JEHOVAH is doing it everyday but only the wise can SEE it! smiley
Yeah, its called the invisible miracles
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 2:59pm On Jan 06, 2023
jaephoenix:
Yeah, its called the invisible miracles
Have you slept and waken up?
Take it as a miracle because many never woke up today! smiley
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by Aemmyjah(m): 3:07pm On Jan 06, 2023
An Ape that works in a hospital can not conclude that even the development of a child in the womb from conception to delivery is a miracle
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 3:12pm On Jan 06, 2023
Aemmyjah:
An Ape that works in a hospital can not conclude that even the development of a child in the womb from conception to delivery is a miracle
Even their evolution theory should be a miracle if it's true so they're deceiving themselves! cheesy
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by Aemmyjah(m): 3:18pm On Jan 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Even their evolution theory should be a miracle if it's true so they're deceiving themselves! cheesy
It takes greater 'faith' (gullible ones) to believe in evolution than to believe in God
Our faith in God is based on reality and our power of reason
Theirs is based on speculation from so called intelligent men who claim to be wise when they are actually foolish
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 3:28pm On Jan 06, 2023
cheesy
Aemmyjah:
It takes greater 'faith' (gullible ones) to believe in evolution than to believe in God
Our faith in God is based on reality and our power of reason
Theirs is based on speculation from so called intelligent men who claim to be wise when they are actually foolish
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 6:46pm On Jan 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Have you slept and waken up?
Take it as a miracle because many never woke up today! smiley
I knew you'd say this, thereby exposing the well-known ignorance amongst theists.
Sleeping and waking cycle or Circadian rhythm is controlled by the SCN (suprachiasmatic nucleus) present in the hypothalamus, which lies in the brain stem. Inputs come from lights etc.
So no one is in charge of turning on or off your lights or consciousness, and its definitely not a miracle
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 6:54pm On Jan 06, 2023
Aemmyjah:
An Ape that works in a hospital can not conclude that even the development of a child in the womb from conception to delivery is a miracle
Again, palpable ignorance by these theists. And some people paid school fees for your education? Awful cry
Embryology is the branch of science for the study of the development of the fetus, right from the fertilization stage, through the morula to blastocyst, and eventually to the full grown baby we see. It explains how some congenital anomalies occur in babies and some teratomas(cancers which occur in newborns). During the growth of a fetus, a lot of 'errors' occur but because they are not fatal, the fetus continues its growth. But if a fatal 'error' happens, then the fetus dies. Causes of such errors include viruses, drugs, chromosomal issues.
So bro, cure yourself of this ignorance. Its too comedic.
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 6:56pm On Jan 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Even their evolution theory should be a miracle if it's true so they're deceiving themselves! cheesy
Facepalm!
How is it a miracle?
I would like to know the institution your friend got his 'biology' degree from
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 6:58pm On Jan 06, 2023
Aemmyjah:
It takes greater 'faith' (gullible ones) to believe in evolution than to believe in God
Our faith in God is based on reality and our power of reason
Theirs is based on speculation from so called intelligent men who claim to be wise when they are actually foolish
Yeah right. Ask him to provide evidence, and the dance starts grin
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:59am On Jan 07, 2023
What do you understand by that word "MIRACLE" smiley

jaephoenix:
I knew you'd say this, thereby exposing the well-known ignorance amongst theists.
Sleeping and waking cycle or Circadian rhythm is controlled by the SCN (suprachiasmatic nucleus) present in the hypothalamus, which lies in the brain stem. Inputs come from lights etc.
So no one is in charge of turning on or off your lights or consciousness, and its definitely not a miracle
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 10:27am On Jan 07, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
What do you understand by that word "MIRACLE" smiley
Now this is the definition of a miracle from an official source.

A miracle is an event that is inexplicable by natural or scientific laws and accordingly gets attributed to some supernatural or praeternatural cause.

Now, the question is, does science explain the phenomenon? Yes, it does.
Is it a miracle then? No, it isn't.
What you are doing(god-of-the-gap) is a regular pastime for people back in those days like 17th and 18th century folks. They believed lightning, flood, drought, epidemics, miscarriages, misfortunes etc were caused by the gods, and thus committed murders in the name of sacrifices, appeasing these gods. Now these gods were known by different names, depending on locations. Horus, Zeus, Huītzilōpōchtli, Thor etc. I can't say they were ignorant, because these information we have available now, wasn't then. But in your own case, these information are readily available, but you still decided to choose wilful ignorance and declined to educate yourself, and still gleefully god-of-the-gapping yourself to stupor.
And to imagine you claim to be an Intelligence officer… interesting
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 11:11am On Jan 07, 2023
jaephoenix:
Now this is the definition of a miracle from an official source.

A miracle is an event that is inexplicable by natural or scientific laws and accordingly gets attributed to some supernatural or praeternatural cause.

Now, the question is, does science explain the phenomenon? Yes, it does.
Is it a miracle then? No, it isn't.
What you are doing(god-of-the-gap) is a regular pastime for people back in those days like 17th and 18th century folks. They believed lightning, flood, drought, epidemics, miscarriages, misfortunes etc were caused by the gods, and thus committed murders in the name of sacrifices, appeasing these gods. Now these gods were known by different names, depending on locations. Horus, Zeus, Huītzilōpōchtli, Thor etc. I can't say they were ignorant, because these information we have available now, wasn't then. But in your own case, these information are readily available, but you still decided to choose wilful ignorance and declined to educate yourself, and still gleefully god-of-the-gapping yourself to stupor.
And to imagine you claim to be an Intelligence officer… interesting
MIRACLE is what we can't explain but once we can explain how it happened humans no longer see it as miracles.
So stop deceiving yourself even your typing on that device in your hands is a miracle! smiley
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 11:23am On Jan 07, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
MIRACLE is what we can't explain but once we can explain how it happened humans no longer see it as miracles.
So stop deceiving yourself even your typing on that device in your hands is a miracle! smiley
Lol. Trying to muddy the waters when beaten, Max? Same ol trick you employ everyday
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 11:43am On Jan 07, 2023
jaephoenix:
Lol. Trying to muddy the waters when beaten, Max? Same ol trick you employ everyday
Ọmọ many things happens but because we're able to explain you won't accept it as miracles but to me it's all miracles! smiley
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 11:48am On Jan 07, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ many things happens but because we're able to explain you won't accept it as miracles but to me it's all miracles! smiley
Of course you'll continue in your wilful ignorance. Of course you'll have to god-of-the-gap your way to prove your religion. Of course that is the regular theistic phrase you hear everyday in church, "The fact you slept and woke up is because of god. And he needs your money to continue such miracles"
None of the sheeple has asked, "But what about those who don't believe in yhwh and don't give nada, how come they sleep and wake up in peace, and with even better health than us?"
Nah, their minds have been preconditioned not to ask questions.
grin
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 12:28pm On Jan 07, 2023
jaephoenix:
Of course you'll continue in your wilful ignorance. Of course you'll have to god-of-the-gap your way to prove your religion. Of course that is the regular theistic phrase you hear everyday in church, "The fact you slept and woke up is because of god. And he needs your money to continue such miracles"
None of the sheeple has asked, "But what about those who don't believe in yhwh and don't give nada, how come they sleep and wake up in peace, and with even better health than us?"
Nah, their minds have been preconditioned not to ask questions.
grin
Underlined is a lie, you can't hear such among JWs.
Highlighted: miracles aren't just for the good but for all those alive! Matthew 5:45

You're free to ask any question! smiley
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 7:23pm On Jan 07, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Underlined is a lie, you can't hear such among JWs.
Highlighted: miracles aren't just for the good but for all those alive! Matthew 5:45

You're free to ask any question! smiley
I wasn't referring to you cursed lots, I'm talking about atheists
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:25pm On Jan 07, 2023
jaephoenix:
I wasn't referring to you cursed lots, I'm talking about atheists
You know atheists don't even believe in miracles so there's no need calling them here! cheesy
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 7:29pm On Jan 07, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
You know atheists don't even believe in miracles so there's no need calling them here! cheesy
You lack comprehension skills.
I said 'But what about those who don't believe in yhwh and don't give nada, how come they sleep and wake up in peace, and with even better health than us?'
Its atheists that don't believe in yhwh, don't give offerings/tithes but still have life and good health.
Learn to read properly
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:33pm On Jan 07, 2023
jaephoenix:
You lack comprehension skills.
I said 'But what about those who don't believe in yhwh and don't give nada, how come they sleep and wake up in peace, and with even better health than us?'
Its atheists that don't believe in yhwh, don't give offerings/tithes but still have life and good health.
Learn to read properly
And i've answered you:

so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. Matthew 5:45

Miracles aren't meant only for the righteous! smiley
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 8:10pm On Jan 07, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
And i've answered you:

so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. Matthew 5:45

Miracles aren't meant only for the righteous! smiley
I was expecting this. And you jumped right into my trap.
Oh good, miracles aint for the righteous alone, right? grin
Everything you're praying for is gotten by atheists who don't utter a word of prayer, hell, they even curse your god. So why do you theists pray?
grin
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by MaxInDHouse(op): 8:26pm On Jan 07, 2023
jaephoenix:
I was expecting this. And you jumped right into my trap. Oh good, miracles aint for the righteous alone, right? grin Everything you're praying for is gotten by atheists who don't utter a word of prayer, hell, they even curse your god. So why do you theists pray?
grin
Hmmm you're far away due to your long time with false religions! smiley

To illustrate, let's say you're in a country where a good man is distributing what is for the benefit of the general public, do you expect him to be partial in the distribution? Matthew 5:45

But then if this distributor now has a special plan in secret for only his friends {Psalms 37:7-11, 29} and you know about this secret plan won't you like to get closer to him than others who don't know his secret plans?

Well true Christians aren't praying because of what is available for both the good and evil {Matthew 6:19-21} naaaaaaaaaaaaa we are building a personal relationship with God who promised everlasting life for only His friends. John 3:16

Do you now understand? smiley
Re: JW 010 Miracles/Magic For What Purpose And Who Were Given? by jaephoenix(m): 8:35pm On Jan 07, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Hmmm you're far away due to your long time with false religions! smiley

To illustrate, let's say you're in a country where a good man is distributing what is for the benefit of the general public, do you expect him to be partial in the distribution? Matthew 5:45

But then if this distributor now has a special plan in secret for only his friends {Psalms 37:7-11, 29} and you know about this secret plan won't you like to get closer to him than others who don't know his secret plans?

Well true Christians aren't praying because of what is available for both the good and evil {Matthew 6:19-21} naaaaaaaaaaaaa we are building a personal relationship with God who promised everlasting life for only His friends. John 3:16

Do you now understand? smiley
Now the next step in this dance….
Where did you get this promise?
Please quote a related Bible verse. Not these random verses you pull outta your anus and dumped on me
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