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Urchins will never accept their mistakes but want to confuse their ignorance more. They think to be smart in their foolishness.

When you see humans that lack wisdom you will know. APC is full of deception both the founders, foundation and followers. That's how they governed Nigerians into poverty and depths with their ignorance, foolishness and deception.

You will com and define Poooopupooo on Tinubu stained cloth and Bla blah Blu for us too

Agbegbaorogboye:
What's the source of your research

Lol. This isnt even a complicated argument. Why should i be making references.

My only reference here is the dictionary because i have come across the words involve so many times. I used it so many times. It has been used on me or towards me.

I can write a full book on this said topic without having any references or go-to source except the dictonary meaning of the word 'gazelle' ... And solely base on buttressing my point only not as a means of seeking answers.

etrange:
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Bro, I'm a foreign language teacher, and I'm telling you that once the meaning is extended to include other things in specific contexts, it's a change. A change doesn't have to be an overhaul. The Oxford dictionary says "in addition to" because the concept of connotation does not strip a word off its original meaning. If a pig refers to an animal in a context and refers to a dirty human being in another context, they are technically considered as two different meanings of the same word even though one took its root from the other. So the meaning changes by context, and that's normal.
</preamble>

However, this doesn't really affect the point I was making. Whether you call it a change, an extension or addition, my point is that if Tinubu was using the word connotatively, then gazelle could mean just about anything and not necessarily the dictionary definition and, as I'll explain in the next paragraph, this new meaning cannot be deciphered just by considering the characteristics of gazelle from our own perspective.

The reason the speaker trusts the audience to understand the connotative meaning of a word isn't just because the word is generally associated with that meaning (like the pig-to-dirt explanation you gave) but primarily because the word is associated with that meaning in a group or classification that both the speaker and the audience belong to. This group could be religious, ethnic, linguistic, professional, age bracket, country, etc. and if you do not belong to this group, you wouldn't know that particular connotation. Yes, pigs are dirty, but in a different society, that same word could connote "abundance" because people there view it in terms of the size and not the behavior. So the person you're arguing with could easily claim that because you're not Yoruba or because you're not from a particular Yoruba town, you wouldn't appreciate the association of gazelle to pride. And linguistically speaking, this would be a valid argument especially if it is confirmed by someone from that region (even though we both know he's just grasping for straws).

Does it make sense now? This is why I looked beyond the gazelles/pride relationship to point out other reasons why I believe he's just struggling to defend what doesn't make sense.

I don't know how else to explain it.

Thanks again for your wonderful writeup and just so you know, I totally agree with your logic.. But you quoted a section of my post which I tried to explain in my previous write up.. I'm not arguing with you but learning.. So let me ask you a simple question that demands a yes or no answer.

Does the connotative meaning of a particular noun, change its primary meaning? Emphasis on the "primary meaning".. I need a yes or no answer and whether I agree with you or not, I promise I won't stretch it any further..

lhordspy:
You are neither a yoruba nor have any little knowledge about yoruba. I dont know why you just keep beating around what you have no idea of. That is always my problem with people. You can never have an opinion in what you know nothing about.

In yoruba land, particular in Lagos. I grew at the ghetto area of Mushin. There are some Yoruba-slangs we use that are not understandable by regular yorubas. Even the pidgin language we all use as an alternative to English language in Nigeria here. There are some pidgin slangs not everyone understand. And these words are made from regular english dictionaries but the context it is use in, makes it different.

You saying for a connotative word to be apply then the speaker and audience must be of same age and cultural background whatever is entirely wrong and misleading.

In a peak of things, we got lost in the moment. We tend to utter words that are not generally known. It is a political rally for goodness sake. Hausa, pidgin, Yoruba, slangs, remarks, banter, and so many others are used.

We have seen the continous use of the word
' buga' in rallies these days. If not for the kiss daniel popular song 'Buga' that enlightened somepeople about it meaning. Some would have dismissed it as a gaffee. Telling you how it is not in the dictionary. Or how it is not a regular yoruba word. Whereas buga as been in existing since which means inflated, boastful, proud...

Do you know 'buga' in the North here means a well water drawer. That leather bag use in drawing water from the well? If not for Kiss daniel, the Northerners too will argue buga doesnt mean boastful or over-confidence. That the speaker is saying Nonsense.




I already straightened out the gazelle part to someone up there. You can check it out.

I don't think you addressed the things I said. You just pointed out that I'm not Yoruba, which is more of a guess than a fact. And even if I weren't, I don't think I need to be Yoruba to do an analysis of what Tinubu said. Linguistics isn't language specific. I don't have the strength to engage in a headless and shallow arguments when it's clear that none of us understood the man. Perhaps, it would have been better if you had made it clear in your thread that your write-up was speculative. But trying to convince people that you clearly understood him is overestimating your own intelligence.

No hard feelings.

olisaEze:
A gazelle is a beautiful and swift animal associated with a graceful carriage. It has nothing to do with boastful pride, or a loud personality.
But I have come to understand that many Nigerian politicians sell the idea daily that this country is peopled by semi/full illiterates!
For example, the meaning of competence & experience has been so bastardized in the past few months, that it is not difficult to deduce why IELTS & TOFEL are required of potential immigrants from Nigeria by countries who are well aware of our anglophone roots!
That is what people like Ihordspy propagate with statements like that obnoxious thread to explain away a presidential candidate’s obvious speech impediment!

Bless you!

etrange:
I don't think you addressed the things I said. You just pointed out that I'm not Yoruba, which is more of a guess than a fact. And even if I weren't, I don't think I need to be Yoruba to do an analysis of what Tinubu said. Linguistics isn't language specific. I don't have the strength to engage in a headless and shallow arguments when it's clear that none of us understood the man. Perhaps, it would have been better if you had made it clear in your thread that your write-up was speculative. But trying to convince people that you clearly understood him is overestimating your own intelligence.

No hard feelings.

I think i am starting to call the comprehension level of most of the users of this forum in question. Most of you dont read to understand.

At the beginning of the main writeup. I made a statement about how the news emanated from gazzettengr. I was even defendinf what Tinubu said like you stated. I was defending what gazzettengr reported that Tinubu said. I lifted a part from their report and posted it exactly how it is written there without adding or subtracting anything.

All i did was proved it right. It is more like saying 'if' this is actually what Tinubu said then it is very right.

I havent even watched the clip yet. I only saw the report by gazettengr. And i reacted to the quote from the reported. At one time in the writeup i even post the link to the gazzette thread.

So of you are just so pathetic. Whenever you hear Tinubu you go so low that you lose all your sense of reasoning and just want to attack Both tinubu and the person reporting or defending, irrespective of what the message is even portraying.

Very sad. I am not engaging in this thread anymore. This is may be my last statement here. The creator of the thread is a very silly person. Not really because of the thread- writeup but of his subsequent mode of argument. Very shallow and annoying. Even a 4years old child will do better. (With all due respect to him)

lhordspy:
You are neither a yoruba nor have any little knowledge about yoruba. I dont know why you just keep beating around what you have no idea of. That is always my problem with people. You can never have an opinion in what you know nothing about.

In yoruba land, particular in Lagos. I grew at the ghetto area of Mushin. There are some Yoruba-slangs we use that are not understandable by regular yorubas. Even the pidgin language we all use as an alternative to English language in Nigeria here. There are some pidgin slangs not everyone understand. And these words are made from regular english dictionaries but the context it is use in, makes it different.

You saying for a connotative word to be apply then the speaker and audience must be of same age and cultural background whatever is entirely wrong and misleading.

In a peak of things, we got lost in the moment. We tend to utter words that are not generally known. It is a political rally for goodness sake. Hausa, pidgin, Yoruba, slangs, remarks, banter, and so many others are used.

We have seen the continous use of the word
' buga' in rallies these days. If not for the kiss daniel popular song 'Buga' that enlightened somepeople about it meaning. Some would have dismissed it as a gaffee. Telling you how it is not in the dictionary. Or how it is not a regular yoruba word. Whereas buga as been in existing since which means inflated, boastful, proud...

Do you know 'buga' in the North here means a well water drawer. That leather bag use in drawing water from the well? If not for Kiss daniel, the Northerners too will argue buga doesnt mean boastful or over-confidence. That the speaker is saying Nonsense.




I already straightened out the gazelle part to someone up there. You can check it out.

Buga in Yoruba street language does not mean inflated, boastful or proud. You're not a Yoruba from the way you keep mixing up the meaning of words. Buga was not made popular by Kiss Daniel. It was actually made popular by Jesse King in that his album which he sang for his mother. Most Yorubas are familiar with that album. It was also popular in Lagos in the early 2000s. Buga means to intimidate your adversaries or show confidence in the face of despair. I'm sure you'll agree pride means something else entirely.

Now to the matter of gazelle. Gazelle (Egbin in Yoruba) is not used to denote pride in Yoruba idioms. It is actually used to denote beauty. Note that gazelle is the female of antelope (Etu). Here's a Yoruba poem about the gazelle. Show it to a Yoruba close to you to interpret for you and come back to point out where pride is mentioned in the poem.

Egbin tó fi papa şelé
Ó fawo àrán şaşo àtésùn
Dáraníjù
Eranko abarayòyò
Egbin dára títí
Elégàn Egbin kò sí nínú igbó.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Buga in Yoruba street language does not mean inflated, boastful or proud. You're not a Yoruba from the way you keep mixing up the meaning of words. Buga was not made popular by Kiss Daniel. It was actually made popular by Jesse King in that his album which he sang for his mother. Most Yorubas are familiar with that album. It was also popular in Lagos in the early 2000s. Buga means to intimidate your adversaries or show confidence in the face of despair. I'm sure you'll agree pride means something else entirely.

Now to the matter of gazelle. Gazelle (Egbin in Yoruba) is not used to denote pride in Yoruba idioms. It is actually used to denote beauty. Note that gazelle is the female of antelope (Etu). Here's a Yoruba poem about the gazelle. Show it to a Yoruba close to you to interpret for you and come back to point out where pride is mentioned in the poem.

I promised not to have any discussion in here anymore. Please quote me in the other thread. Let me explain the connection for you.

lhordspy:
Lol. This isnt even a complicated argument. Why should i be making references.

My only reference here is the dictionary because i have come across the words involve so many times. I used it so many times. It has been used on me or towards me.

I can write a full book on this said topic without having any references or go-to source except the dictonary meaning of the word 'gazelle' ... And solely base on buttressing my point only not as a means of seeking answers.

Well, that's not what is called research. That's just an expression of your opinions and bias.
Learn to use the right words to express yourself.
There's a branch of learning called etymology and anthropology. They are the study of the meaning of words and their meanings and changes through the ages in different languages.
So there are people who have dedicated their lives and intellect to words and their meanings. You should have done a proper research in that aspect before delving into what you have little to no knowledge of.
I read your piece and I see how you did a coinage of words and attribution without giving any context to its coinage.
That's intellectual fraud to be honest

Felixamos:
Thanks again for your wonderful writeup and just so you know, I totally agree with your logic.. But you quoted a section of my post which I tried to explain in my previous write up.. I'm not arguing with you but learning.. So let me ask you a simple question that demands a yes or no answer.

Does the connotative meaning of a particular noun, change its primary meaning? Emphasis on the "primary meaning".. I need a yes or no answer and whether I agree with you or not, I promise I won't stretch it any further..

First, in language arts, we hardly give a yes or no response because there are always exceptions to consider. Again, I don't know what primary meaning is here, but I'm assuming you mean the denotative meaning. So to answer you the best way I can, yes, it does change the meaning in the specific context under consideration. And this is a very normal thing in semantics. Consider the examples below.

My pig gave birth to 13 piglets today!
Pig here is a farm animal.

Mr. Adegoke is a pig!
Pig here is a dirty man.

A farm animal and a dirty man are two different meanings, therefore, the meaning of pig clearly changed based on context. Your argument is that the second meaning (a dirty man) is gotten by considering the characteristics of the farm animal (the first meaning), so it's an extension of the first meaning. And that is absolutely correct. However, this extension is a change nevertheless. Otherwise, you'd be saying Mr. Okafor is literally the animal (which isn't logical).

And I mentioned that for both of us to agree on the connotative meaning of pig (dirty), we must share some form of group or classification in which the word "pig" is associated with dirt. In Western Europe, for example, a pig mostly refers to someone who is greedy or unkind. In a different community, a pig refers to a man aroused by sniffing armpits, underwears, etc (and this isn't what I was calling Mr. Okafor).

Please, tell me it's clear now.

lhordspy:
I promised not to have any discussion in here anymore. Please quote me in the other thread. Let me explain the connection for you.

What other thread?
Can you share the link?
Meanwhile have you understood the poem? Do you now agree gazelle is not associated with pride in Yoruba language?

Agbegbaorogboye:
Well, that's not what is called research. That's just an expression of your opinions and bias.
Learn to use the right words to express yourself.
There's a branch of learning called etymology and anthropology. They are the study of the meaning of words and their meanings and changes through the ages in different languages.
So there are people who have dedicated their lives and intellect to words and their meanings. You should have done a proper research in that aspect before delving into what you have little to no knowledge of.
I read your piece and I see how you did a coinage of words and attribution without giving any context to its coinage.
That's intellectual fraud to be honest

Please post the poem again here..

lhordspy:
Please post the poem again here..

Here:

Egbin tó fi papa şelé
Ó fawo àrán şaşo àtésùn
Dáraníjù
Eranko abarayòyò
Egbin dára títí
Elégàn Egbin kò sí nínú igbó.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Here:

Egbin tó fi papa şelé
Ó fawo àrán şaşo àtésùn
Dáraníjù
Eranko abarayòyò
Egbin dára títí
Elégàn Egbin kò sí nínú igbó.

Alright very very good. We are truly getting there. Now please translate it in English line by line.

lhordspy:
Alright very very good. We are truly getting there. Now please translate it in English line by line.

I thought you're Yoruba. Your claim was that gazelle is used to denote pride in Yoruba. A claim you made without proof. That's why I took my time to get this poem from people more knowledgeable about Yoruba language.
Just accept you were wrong and move on.

Let me indulge you on second thought

Egbin tó fi papa selé (Gazelle that uses grassland as its habitation)
Ó fawo àrán şaşo àtésùn (It uses velvet skin as its bed sheet)
Dáraníjù (Pretty in the forest)
Eranko abarayòyò (The animal that has a smooth body)
Egbin dára títí (Gazelle is so beautiful)
Elégàn Egbin kò sí nínú igbó. (That nobody can despise it in the bush�)

Agbegbaorogboye:
I thought you're Yoruba. Your claim was that gazelle is used to denote pride in Yoruba. A claim you made without proof. That's why I took my time to get this poem from people more knowledgeable about Yoruba language.
Just accept you were wrong and move on.

Let me indulge you on second thought

No. I wanted you translating it yourself. So you dont say i mixed up.

Who ever wrote the poem was trying to glorifying the gazelle right? More like an appraisal, eulogising it.

A gazelle is known for it pride . Because of its long horn. Its beauty and it very smooth body.

If you check the dictiomary meaning of pride. Here you have it:

"be especially proud of (a particular quality or skill)."

So Tinubu using the word gazelle for Yahoo yahoo boy is very very correct sir. Even from the poem you posted. It reeks of animal with pride.

Pride, horn, beautiful skin. .... All ends as been proud and inflated. Like "eran yen gara gan" .

If you saying something is growing horn. It means it is becoming proud. A gazelle is known for its long horn.


Everything is connected sir.

plaindealer:
Pandora supporters no even get time for pandora anymore, his mata don taya dem, an so so rubbish den dey run after all over the place.

I mean, na obsession with gazelle remain...shy na gazelle you losers go carry go poling station.


A classic definition of laboring in vain..

Guy, I've never seen someone like you. Learn to keep quiet so you retain any shred of dignity you've left. You're always saying iranu about PO. Same PO that you'll cower before if you've the opportunity to meet.


Your candidate keeps goofing in public and you shamelessly defend him. Wahala.

chukel:
Each time Tinubu speaks, people are sent researching their dictionaries. So much for a man they claim has no certificate and is unwell. You guys will be alright at last. I remember "recharge" lake Chad which exposed how dumb most of the critics are.

You can do better than this.
So people shouldn't probe their presidential candidates anymore? Well, this is Naija...anything goes.

plaindealer:
I'm actually not interested in your rubbish and pointless, unproductive, redundant and hopeless argument.

This is not the first time people like you display your ignorance over the man's choice of words that are obviously beyond your level of understanding, words that you can not comprehend but rather label as an anomaly.

Besides, the coming election is all about our freedom of choice and association, not about another man's choice of words, your endless wailing won't stop me and millions of Nigerians from voting for Tinubu.

I see you and your kind as needed entertainment and source of amusement, nothing more.

Guy...
Oya, please tell us the reason of: balablu bulaba, God bless PDAPC, get your APV. And many more. Yall are the ones who'll be clapping him to irrelevance when he drops those irredeemable gaffes and nonsense sounding words.


Or you still want to defend his licking the microphone? Do you know the amount of microbes and germs in that microphone yet Senior Man turned it to lollipop.


Senior Man says he hates social media. God forbid he enters, if he does, all these dragging will be an intro of what he will suffer throughout his tenure.

lhordspy:
No. I wanted you translating it yourself. So you dont say i mixed up.

Who ever wrote the poem was trying to glorifying the gazelle right? More like an appraisal, eulogising it.

A gazelle is known for it pride . Because of its long horn. Its beauty and it very smooth body.

If you check the dictiomary meaning of pride. Here you have it:

"be especially proud of (a particular quality or skill)."

So Tinubu using the word gazelle for Yahoo yahoo boy is very very correct sir. Even from the poem you posted. It reeks of animal with pride.

Pride, horn, beautiful skin. .... All ends as been proud and inflated. Like "eran yen gara gan" .

If you saying something is growing horn. It means it is becoming proud. A gazelle is known for its long horn.


Everything is connected sir.

Can you give an example of Yoruba folklore or mythology where the gazelle was associated with pride?
Having long horn does not denote pride. Here you go again with false logic. The deer is also known to have long horns. So do cows, and rams, rhinos and even elephants. Yet no one has ever said a cow denotes pride for example.
There's no mention of the word pride in the poem. Don't attribute meanings to a poem you obviously have no knowledge of.
Esther in the Bible was beautiful and so was Vashti. But Vashti was considered proud while Esther was considered humble. Being beautiful does not mean being proud.
Elechi's main character in The Concubine was considered beautiful yet humble while Soyinka's main character in the Lion and The Jewel was also beautiful yet proud.
Beauty and pride are not connected in either literary terms or attributes.

Your connection is simply your imagination.

lhordspy:
Initially, at your first statement on this thread. You sounded so respectful and sane minded. I wanted to respond to your statement immediately. But then reading further, you started vying off.. I really see where you are going with this. You are no different from thr rest. Just that maybe you wear suit and tie.

First of all, i am not an APC member nor a worker. And i have every right to create a thread just as you can to argue or straighten your opinion.

Gazelle is animal with horn. A very long one. It moves quickly in a twinkle.

When someone is reffer to as growing horn. It means the person is becoming proud over-confident. Now gazelle moving very swiftly within a moment makes it unpredictable, unsettled. Because it can decides to takeoff even with the little interference of breeze that blows it.

In the screenshot you posted gazelle was reffer to as beautiful. Now take beautiful, horn, and swift together. You get proudness, inflated, boastful.

All this in Tinubu's gazelle means Proud and unsettled.

Please always learn how to research deep before criticising others.

Guy, please keep quiet and salvage the last shred of dignity you've left. Abeg. Just deactivate this account and start over. Because what is all this stoopeed defense? Zukwanike

Agbegbaorogboye:
Can you give an example of Yoruba folklore or mythology where the gazelle was associated with pride?
Having long horn does not denote pride. Here you go again with false logic. The deer is also known to have long horns. So do cows, and rams, rhinos and even elephants. Yet no one has ever said a cow denotes pride for example.
There's no mention of the word pride in the poem. Don't attribute meanings to a poem you obviously have no knowledge of.
Esther in the Bible was beautiful and so was Vashti. But Vashti was considered proud while Esther was considered humble. Being beautiful does not mean being proud.
Elechi's main character in The Concubine was considered beautiful yet humble while Soyinka's main character in the Lion and The Jewel was also beautiful yet proud.
Beauty and pride are not connected in either literary terms or attributes.

Your connection is simply your imagination.

I just gave you an example now. When you say someone is growing horn. What does it means. .. Proudness ofcourse which comes from excess of pride . and pride can be caused by beauty, over-confidence, success etc.

And yes beauty and pride are very much connected. The funniest thing is all the instances and point i gave to your poem connecting it together. You didnt react to any of them, but you rather want to start a new argument.

please this discussion is over sir.

lhordspy:
I just gave you an example now. When you say someone is growing horn. What does it means. .. Proudness ofcourse which comes from excess of pride . and pride can be caused by beauty, over-confidence, success etc.

And yes beauty and pride are very much connected. The funniest thing is all the instances and point i gave to your poem connecting it together. You didnt react to any of them, but you rather want to start a new argument.

please this discussion is over sir.

Someone growing horn has different meaning depending on usage. For some, it connotes independence. To some, stubbornness while to others pride. So it's totally out of order to claim growing horns simply means pride.

As I've pointed out to you, in Yoruba idioms, the gazelle denotes beauty not pride. Your attempt to connect pride with beauty by virtue of horns is flat out hollow because there's no literary definition in Yoruba that does such.

The peacock is an animal that is both described as proud and beautiful in Yoruba language and it does not have a horn!

You can withdraw. No problem. But consider the importance of cogent research on a subject before taking a position going forward.
It belittles your education and knowledge to make wild claims on something you have not acquired enough knowledge and education.
Stop disgracing Yoruba language and literature.

Each time Mr. Tinubu makes a blunder urchins will try to repair tinubu's self-made English.He can't speak without a mistakeEach time Mr. Tinubu makes a blunder urchins will try to repair tinubu's self-made English.He can't speak without a mistake...

Agbegbaorogboye:
Someone growing horn has different meaning depending on usage. For some, it connotes independence. To some, stubbornness while to others pride. So it's totally out of order to claim growing horns simply means pride.

As I've pointed out to you, in Yoruba idioms, the gazelle denotes beauty not pride. Your attempt to connect pride with beauty by virtue of horns is flat out hollow because there's no literary definition in Yoruba that does such.

The peacock is an animal that is both described as proud and beautiful in Yoruba language and it does not have a horn!

You can withdraw. No problem. But consider the importance of cogent research on a subject before taking a position going forward.
It belittles your education and knowledge to make wild claims on something you have not acquired enough knowledge and education.
Stop disgracing Yoruba language and literature.

Sir. I wish i can help it. This is not taking us anywhere. First the bolded from your text. You initially claim one of the meaning of growing horn means pride. Then the next sentence you are telling me it doesnt simply means pride. You are confusing me. Just going rollercoaster.

If i am to use the word horn in a sentence where i am to refer to it as pride but not stubborn. It means the sentence is wrong?

You just said horn denotes so many meaning connotatively. And you mentioned three examples. So if i am to use horn as pride, it also has to represent stubborn and the other meaning? I dont seems to understand your argument.

If i say someone is sleeping like a pig. It means the person is snoring right? But pig can also be refer to as dirty and other things. Does that means the person also as to be dirty inconjuntion with the snoring before i can use the word pig for the person?

Hell no.. I only pick the meaning suitable for me in that statements. What is left for the audience is too think which of its connotative meaning is really the right one. And from the context , or the theme of the message it will be very easy to figure it out.

Tinubu was referring to yahoo yahoo boys. And in that sentence 'Proud ' is the best fit.
Even if gazeelle has other meanings.

lhordspy:
I am not even sure you read the writeup i made. You just maybe read the headline and start attacking it. I was not defending what Tinubu said. I was only defending what gattezzengr.com says Tinubu said. The statement from Tinubu was in quote exactly how gazettengr reported it. And i made reference to gattezzengr even before i started making my point. I even dropped the link.

I didnt tamper with what they reported that he said. I only lift it and put it inside a quote, then i defended.

Why extract just 2 words(Gazelle Gaga Raga) from a full sentense to tell us the meaning as (A FULL METAPHOR)?

It's either the sentence is a full metaphor, e.g
As dirty as Pig
Or
You are a pig.

You cannot say:
As Dirty as a Pig that would be dirty.


If Gazelle is an antelope that is so proud and pompous.

He shoud have simply said "all those yahoo boys that would be doing like gazelle";

Anything untop of that makes his statement(the metaphor l to become convoluted.

Which makes it become a tautology after all said and done.

lhordspy:
Sir. I wish i can help it. This is not taking us anywhere. First the bolded from your text. You initially claim one of the meaning of growing horn means pride. Then the next sentence you are telling me it doesnt simply means pride. You are confusing me. Just going rollercoaster.

If i am to use the word horn in a sentence where i am to refer to it as pride but not stubborn. It means the sentence is wrong?

You just said horn denotes so many meaning connotatively. And you mentioned three examples. So if i am to use horn as pride, it also has to represent stubborn and the other meaning? I dont seems to understand your argument.

If i say someone is sleeping like a pig. It means the person is snoring right? But pig can also be refer to as dirty and other things. Does that means the person also as to be dirty inconjuntion with the snoring before i can use the word pig for the person?

Hell no.. I only pick the meaning suitable for me in that statements. What is left for the audience is too think which of its connotative meaning is really the right one. And from the context , or the theme of the message it will be very easy to figure it out.

Tinubu was referring to yahoo yahoo boys. And in that sentence 'Proud ' is the best fit.
Even if gazeelle has other meanings.

I just gave you an example now. When you say someone is growing horn. What does it means. .. Proudness ofcourse which comes from excess of pride . and pride can be caused by beauty, over-confidence, success etc.

Those were your exact words which I corrected by replying that "growing horns" does not strictly mean pride.
Why I pointed that out is because you seem to imply that since the gazelle has horns, pride must be attributable to it in Yoruba idioms because anywhere you see horns, you can just replace it with pride.

Again, that's dishonest logic. Gazelle has horns. It is used to denote beauty in Yoruba idioms but it certainly has nothing to do with pride as you seek to prove. Neither does having horns mean being proud in any literary description for animals in Yoruba literature as I've pointed out to you with several cogent examples.

I'll advice you to find a different meaning for what you seek to defend. My interest is your use or misuse of Yoruba language which I believe is very wrong and uncalled for!

Agbegbaorogboye:
Those were your exact words which I corrected by replying that "growing horns" does not strictly mean pride.
Why I pointed that out is because you seem to imply that since the gazelle has horns, pride must be attributable to it in Yoruba idioms because anywhere you see horns, you can just replace it with pride.

Again, that's dishonest logic. Gazelle has horns. It is used to denote beauty in Yoruba idioms but it certainly has nothing to do with pride as you seek to prove. Neither does having horns mean being proud in any literary description for animals in Yoruba literature as I've pointed out to you with several cogent examples.

I'll advice you to find a different meaning for what you seek to defend. My interest is your use or misuse of Yoruba language which I believe is very wrong and uncalled for!

My goodness. Gazelle is not even a yoruba word for christsake. I dont even know why bringing yoruba into this. I never ever said gazelle is a yoruba word. I even gave you a dictionary meaning. I even screenshot it and uploaded it. We only entered this yoruba discussion after the introduction of Yoruba poem into this. Your idea it was.
You are a very confuse person sir. Just turning everything upside down.

If 'gagaraga' was even the center of our discussion. It will be understandable. I dont even know where the bolded is creeping out from.


Please can we stop talking about this? I Abeg you

lhordspy:
I am not even sure you read the writeup i made. You just maybe read the headline and start attacking it. I was not defending what Tinubu said. I was only defending what gattezzengr.com says Tinubu said. The statement from Tinubu was in quote exactly how gazettengr reported it. And i made reference to gattezzengr even before i started making my point. I even dropped the link.

I didnt tamper with what they reported that he said. I only lift it and put it inside a quote, then i defended.

Why extract just 2 words(Gazelle Gaga Raga) from a full sentense to tell us the meaning as (A FULL METAPHOR)?
Don't do that naaaaa.

As you defend those last Two words (Gazelle Gaga Raga), you should defend it along with the full statement from what Tinubu said, based on what you heard.
You cannot be defending 2 words from someone based on another person's knowledge(gattezzengr.com).
Of what use are those 2sentences to us if you cannot personally requote the full sentence made by Tinubu.

I seeeeee.
You cant requote the full sentence becos Tinubu had already started loosing metal stability right from in between that very statement.

But yet you want us to focus on what Gazelle Gaga raga means.

My friend, what you are attempting to do here is called OBFUSCATION

In English/even Yoruba,
It's either the sentence is a full metaphor, e.g
As dirty as Pig
Or
You are a pig.

You cannot say:
As Dirty as a Pig that would be dirty.


If Gazelle is an antelope that is so proud and pompous.
He shoud have simply said "all those yahoo boys that would be doing like gazelle";

Anything ontop of that makes his statement(the metaphor) it all becomes convoluted.

Which makes it become a tautology after all said and done.

lhordspy:
My goodness. Gazelle is not even a yoruba word for christsake. I dont even know why bringing yoruba into this. I never ever said gazelle is a yoruba word. I even gave you a dictionary meaning. I even screenshot it and uploaded it. We only entered this yoruba discussion after the introduction of Yoruba poem into this. Your idea it was.
You are a very confuse person sir. Just turning everything upside down.

If 'gagaraga' was even the center of our discussion. It will be understandable. I dont even know where the bolded is creeping out from.


Please can we stop talking about this? I Abeg you

Lol. You're a dishonest character. When you were called out that gazelle does not have anything to do with pride in English, you claimed it's "we" including Tinubu who use it in that way.
You also claimed to be Yoruba who grew up in mushin and Tinubu is also Yoruba. So it's obvious you're referring to Yorubas as people who use gazelle to denote pride because of its horn.
Or do you by any chance mean such a description actually exist in English lexicon?

lhordspy:
No. I wanted you translating it yourself. So you dont say i mixed up.

Who ever wrote the poem was trying to glorifying the gazelle right? More like an appraisal, eulogising it.

A gazelle is known for it pride . Because of its long horn. Its beauty and it very smooth body.

If you check the dictiomary meaning of pride. Here you have it:

"be especially proud of (a particular quality or skill)."

So Tinubu using the word gazelle for Yahoo yahoo boy is very very correct sir. Even from the poem you posted. It reeks of animal with pride.

Pride, horn, beautiful skin. .... All ends as been proud and inflated. Like "eran yen gara gan" .

If you saying something is growing horn. It means it is becoming proud. A gazelle is known for its long horn.


Everything is connected sir.

Tell us the other things he said in the full sentence naaaa.


You cannot be defending the Connotative meaning of just 2words (as a possible independent existing Metaphor) from a full sentence.


if Tinubu comes out to say:
I would change the lives of all this fine fine girls that are doing shakara Tolotolo. For someone who doesn't know what "Shakara tolotol" means, and I come out with my full chest to defend Tinubu's coherency and mental stability, I can only do that by requoting the full statement word for word.

I would not just drag only the "Shakara Tolotolo" and put it on my head that SHAKARA TOLOTOLO can be disected into 2.

Shakara means this,
And Tolotolo means that.

Whois:
Godforbid bad thing

Amen ooo

That head need better deliverance,how old man of 86 years old go still dey smoke Colorado