bobkezel:

Don't mind him, you pay for the area he covered.

I believe his main problem is that he thinks I want to cheat him with the estimate from the QS, since he can't really confirm the Area due to knowledge gaps in calculation. But I shouldn't pay for his ignorance na.

bobkezel:

In other words, if my floor is 50sqm and I negotiated 1000/sqm with the tiler but I bought 120sqm tiles, then the tiler used/wasted 118sqm, therefore I should pay him 118000 instead of 50000.....

Yes cutting off takes labour therefore if a tiler sneezes I pay, if he dances I pay, if he wastes my tile I still pay.

Let’s be objective. Roofing is different, you must have overlaps, cut offs and curves. In this particular case, there was no waste.
I have never seen a situation were the labor charge is multiplied less the actual quantity of tiles.

sonnie10:

If we apply this your analogy to the roofing, it means you pay for each tile, whether he cuts it or not. That would then be 598 sqm.

No Sir, in this case the unit of measurement is sqm, and not pcs. So you don't pay for each pc laid, but each sqm laid, that's the difference.

Modified: Each sqm covered rather!

BrickDevo:
Simple master bedroom interior design

is this ur project or ?

Rany4all:
No Sir, in this case the unit of measurement is sqm, and not pcs. So you don't pay for each pc laid, but each sqm laid, that's the difference.

In hindsight, if he knew you would be reviewing the labor, I doubt if he would have agreed to do the job for the total amount in the first place.

Most people that would charge you less for labour usually do the materials supply as well. The gain either ways. But this installer is only getting what he feels is a ball pack figure.
Like you said, he might be less knowledgeable in these calculations but he knows how much work that goes into a project after initial inspection.

sonnie10:

In hindsight, if he knew you would be reviewing the labor, I doubt if he would have agreed to do the job for the total amount in the first place.

Most be that would charge you less for labour usually do the materials supply as well. The gain either way. But this installer is only getting what he feels is a ball pack figure.
Like you said, he might be less knowledgeable in these calculations but he know how much work that goes into a project after initial inspection.

I have made a couple of concessions on this roofing already. The roof has 5 storm breakers, for which he also took measurements and charged me 12k for each. I paid the full 60k for the 5 storm breakers up front. He did them, only to later come up with 5k installation fee for each storm breaker. That means I have to pay additional 25k to install them. He never mentioned this initially, but I accepted it all the same.

Another thing is I also paid for his hotel accommodation, which was never part of our agreement, but I still did it in good faith.

Haba, nor be everything client go they swallow like that abeg.

sonnie10:

In hindsight, if he knew you would be reviewing the labor, I doubt if he would have agreed to do the job for the total amount in the first place.

Most people that would charge you less for labour usually do the materials supply as well. The gain either ways. But this installer is only getting what he feels is a ball pack figure.
Like you said, he might be less knowledgeable in these calculations but he knows how much work that goes into a project after initial inspection.

I did not review the labour by the way. It remains 200/sqm. Bone of contention is what that sqm entails.

michlins:
what is the load requirements

Two 1,000ltr tanks.

Rany4all:
I have made a couple of concessions on this roofing already. The roof has 5 storm breakers, for which he also took measurements and charged me 12k for each. I paid the full 60k for the 5 storm breakers up front. He did them, only to later come up with 5k installation fee for each storm breaker. That means I have to pay additional 25k to install them. He never mentioned this initially, but I accepted it all the same.

Another thing is I also paid for his hotel accommodation, which was never part of our agreement, but I still did it in good faith.

Haba, nor be everything client go they swallow like that abeg.

Let’s assume he decided to stop working at that initial stage when the first 498 sqm of tiles were used up, how much or at what rate would you have paid him?

Rany4all:
I did not review the labour by the way. It remains 200/sqm. Bone of contention is what that sqm entails.

But they was another negotiating after the initial tiles provided was exhausted. You said that 498 sqm. None was wasted, they all went into your project.
Then additional was provided, which required more of his labor. He deserves to be compensated for this addition.

Coiner:


Two 1,000ltr tanks.

use 4 by 2 channel for the pillars. Budget 450-500,000

sonnie10:


Let’s assume he decided to stop working at that initial stage when the first 498 sqm of tiles were used up, how much or at what rate would you have paid him?

You mean 443? I would have paid for 354sqm, which is what he gave as the area. The 443 included 25% waste.

sonnie10:

But they was another negotiating after the initial titles provided was exhausted. You said that 498 sqm. None was wasted, they all went into your project.
Then additional was provided, which required more of his labor. He deserves to be compensated for this addition.

Off-cuts are wastes. There is no way all of rectangular roofing tiles can be used in roofs with triangular and other shapes. You must have off-cuts at the edges or rigde cap areas

Please which QS did you engage

Rany4all:
This is exactly what went down:

Before I engaged the installer, I hired a Quantity Surveyor on this forum to do the roofing estimate for me (installer did not know this). The QS estimate for the actual area to be covered was 478sqm, but with 25% addition (making 598sqm) to account for wastes.

Now wood work for the roof was done exactly as designed on the architectural drawings (no addition or subtraction) and the final cost of the wood work was very close to the QS estimate as well.

After wood work, I engaged the installer and we agreed 200/sqm as installation fee. He took his measurements, did his calculations and came up with an area of 354sqm to be covered.

Now considering the significant difference between the figures from QS and installer, I decided to go with the installer's figure so as not to incur a huge loss, in case the QS figure was wrong. So I added 25% to installer's estimate and ordered 443sqm, which was made known to installer.

So he did 443sqm initially, and it covered only about 3 quarters of the roof. Installer then calculated the remaining uncovered area, and came up with an additional 150sqm to complete the job. This time though I decided to ignore installer's calculation and went with the original estimate from the QS and got an additional 155sqm to make a total of 598sqm.

The roof was eventually covered with a total of 596sqm, which is in line with the QS estimate.

Now, the installer is insisting his installation fee is 200 × 598 (not even 596 that did the job), while I'm insisting I will only pay for area of roof installed (excluding off-cuts), which should be like 200 × 478 (going by the estimate from QS).

I have told the installer, if he doubts the estimated area from the QS, he can repeat his measurements and calculations, but the guy is saying it will never be the same as that of the QS, that I must pay according to the total area of sheets bought.

Nor be small argument for site today o. We almost came to blows

ollykay619:
Please which QS did you engage

QSFemi

Rany4all:
Off-cuts are wastes. There is no way all of rectangular roofing tiles can be used in roofs with triangular and other shapes. You must have off-cuts at the edges or rigde cap areas

They are not necessarily waste. It is part of what must be done towards achieving the desire style or pattern. Those tiles come in a fixed shape and must be cut to size. It is beyond what the installer could control. Any installer would do the same.

sonnie10:

They are not necessarily waste. It is part of what must be done towards achieving the desire style or pattern. Those tiles come in a fixed shape and must be cut to size. It is beyond what the installer could control. Any installer would do the same.

Blocks also come in fixed shape and sizes, but only laid pcs are paid for as long the agreement is per block. Whatever project you are doing, as long as the payment terms is per square meter, it doesn't matter how much materials eventually does the work or how much wastes. The payment remains per square meter of area done. Same goes for tiling, POP, wall cladding, etc, etc.

Rany4all:
This is exactly what went down:

Before I engaged the installer, I hired a Quantity Surveyor on this forum to do the roofing estimate for me (installer did not know this). The QS estimate for the actual area to be covered was 478sqm, but with 25% addition (making 598sqm) to account for wastes.

Now wood work for the roof was done exactly as designed on the architectural drawings (no addition or subtraction) and the final cost of the wood work was very close to the QS estimate as well.

After wood work, I engaged the installer and we agreed 200/sqm as installation fee. He took his measurements, did his calculations and came up with an area of 354sqm to be covered.

Now considering the significant difference between the figures from QS and installer, I decided to go with the installer's figure so as not to incur a huge loss, in case the QS figure was wrong. So I added 25% to installer's estimate and ordered 443sqm, which was made known to installer.

So he did 443sqm initially, and it covered only about 3 quarters of the roof. Installer then calculated the remaining uncovered area, and came up with an additional 150sqm to complete the job. This time though I decided to ignore installer's calculation and went with the original estimate from the QS and got an additional 155sqm to make a total of 598sqm.

The roof was eventually covered with a total of 596sqm, which is in line with the QS estimate.

Now, the installer is insisting his installation fee is 200 × 598 (not even 596 that did the job), while I'm insisting I will only pay for area of roof installed (excluding off-cuts), which should be like 200 × 478 (going by the estimate from QS).

I have told the installer, if he doubts the estimated area from the QS, he can repeat his measurements and calculations, but the guy is saying it will never be the same as that of the QS, that I must pay according to the total area of sheets bought.

Nor be small argument for site today o. We almost came to blows

This is a classical case of under quoting. It is a form of fraud in the building trade.

Going forward, always go by your QS. You should have called this out from inception and probably look somewhere else.

It's deliberate.

Rany4all:
Blocks also come in fixed shape and sizes, but only laid pcs are paid for as long the agreement is per block. Whatever project you are doing, as long as the payment terms is per square meter, it doesn't matter how much materials eventually does the work or how much wastes. The payment remains per square meter of area done. Same goes for tiling, POP, wall cladding, etc, etc.

don't be too strick like that or artisans will mess you up oh. painful part is no matter what u do damage is done and That's why on foundation level you don't pay per block.

visaclick:
don't be too strick like that or artisans will mess you up oh. painful part is no matter what u do damage is done and That's why on foundation level you don't pay per block.

It's not about being strict Sir. It's about keeping to agreements (by both parties).

Sometimes brick layers do per day payment terms or ball park figure to cover the entire job. If you had that agreement prior to onset of the job, then both parties should stick to it.

By the way, I did per block in foundation stage as well, after the form work phase.

diordaves:


This is a classical case of under quoting. It is a form of fraud in the building trade.

Going forward, always go by your QS. You should have called this out from inception and probably look somewhere else.

It's deliberate.

Me I just think the guy doesn't really know how to calculate Areas of geometric shapes sha.

michlins:
use 4 by 2 channel for the pillars. Budget 450-500,000

Okay. Thanks a lot bro.

Rany4all:
Blocks also come in fixed shape and sizes, but only laid pcs are paid for as long the agreement is per block. Whatever project you are doing, as long as the payment terms is per square meter, it doesn't matter how much materials eventually does the work or how much wastes. The payment remains per square meter of area done. Same goes for tiling, POP, wall cladding, etc, etc.

Did you have any roofing tiles left other than the cuts offs after the project?

sonnie10:

Did you have any roofing tiles left other than the cuts offs after the project?

Yes Sir, 4 tiles were unused. That's why I said the job was eventually achieved with 596sqm rather than the 598sqm bought.

2 tiles cover about 1sqm

Rany4all:
Yes Sir, 4 tiles were unused. That's why I said the job was eventually achieved with 596sqm rather than the 598sqm bought.

2 tiles cover about 1sqm

Then 596 sqm x 200 is fair.

sonnie10:

Then 596 sqm x 200 is fair.

Hahaha...fair for whom? Installation fee agreement was not based on quantity of materials needed to do the job, but area of roof to cover, so how can that be fair to both parties Sir? The onus remains on the installer to confirm the actual area of roof covered, if he doesn't feel comfortable going with the QS estimate.

Good evening guys, I got the quote below for soak away construction for a 5 bed room duplex, the location is ajah Lagos.

Carpenter (labour) 55,000.00
ii Iron bender (labour) 50,000.00
iii Casting (labour) 85,000.00
iv Plastering (Labour) 40,000.00
v Labour (Sinking & sealing) 150,000.00
Materials
Granite 20 tons 180,000.00
Sharp sand 1 trip 85,000.00
3'' nails 1 bag 16,000.00
10mm iron rod 50 lengths 180,000.00
Binding wire 1 roll 16,000.00
Cement 33 bag 4,400.00 145,200.00
Nylon 1 roll 5,000.00 5,000.00
Waterproof cement 1 carton 12,000.00
Plaster sand. 80,000.00

Total. 1,099,200.00


Please help me review if this quote is not too outrageous

gbengress1:
Good evening guys, I got the quote below for soak away construction for a 5 bed room duplex, the location is ajah Lagos.

Carpenter (labour) 55,000.00
ii Iron bender (labour) 50,000.00
iii Casting (labour) 85,000.00
iv Plastering (Labour) 40,000.00
v Labour (Sinking & sealing) 150,000.00
Materials
Granite 20 tons 180,000.00
Sharp sand 1 trip 85,000.00
3'' nails 1 bag 16,000.00
10mm iron rod 50 lengths 180,000.00
Binding wire 1 roll 16,000.00
Cement 33 bag 4,400.00 145,200.00
Nylon 1 roll 5,000.00 5,000.00
Waterproof cement 1 carton 12,000.00
Plaster sand. 80,000.00

Total. 1,099,200.00


Please help me review if this quote is not too outrageous

See better office for your head.

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topsy23:


Go permanent net and let it be install at the external part

Thanks a million.

Don't get you

Iriruaga100:


See better office for your head.

Rany4all:
Hahaha...fair for whom? Installation fee agreement was not based on quantity of materials needed to do the job, but area of roof to cover, so how can that be fair to both parties Sir? The onus remains on the installer to confirm the actual area of roof covered, if he doesn't feel comfortable going with the QS estimate.

The actual job done include overlaps not just plain area

Experts in the house, happy new year. Please can 6 inches blocks be use for 1 storey building and what will be the minimum dimensions and spacing for columns using 16mm rod. Thanks