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My brother you are wasting your time on that slowpoke. If he/it cannot grasp the simple explanation he was given, do you think he will understand the more detailed one you have given him.
I've learnt how to roll with the punches when dealing with these self appointed experts whose limited intellect cannot justify the arrogance they exhibit.

AvailethNone:
Again you're missing the point entirely. The entire focus of this thread is that Christianity is just a myth and it took ideas or concepts from older religious myths which preceded it. Meanwhile Islamisidiotic is saying that sometimes it is the other way around: older religions have been known to borrow ideas or even deify figures who come from newer religions, such as some Hindus regarding Jesus as an avatar. Next time try and understand a concept by reading up on it instead of relying on the superficial interpretation of an anime version (Avatar Last Airbender). Read the actual Hindu sacred text, the Bhagavad Gita to have a better understanding of what an avatar is.

Secondly, I don't understand how Islam is even applicable to what we are discussing here. Islam isn't an ancient religion, it is relatively new compared to all the other major world religions and it is exclusively concentrated on an Arabic reinterpretation and recontextualising of Judeo Christianity.

jaephoenix:
Evidence of something that didn't happen? Lol
Bro, this is 2023, your gullibility levels is off the hook

Just like i defined, an armchair critic. You already pre-determined that an unmentioned miracle did not happen, yet you expect me to waste my time trying to convince you. Who are you again? If you want to disprove miracles, get off that chair and put your money where your mouth is, work those lazy socks off.

AvailethNone:
Again you're missing the point entirely. The entire focus of this thread is that Christianity is just a myth and it took ideas or concepts from older religious myths which preceded it. Meanwhile Islamisidiotic is saying that sometimes it is the other way around: older religions have been known to borrow ideas or even deify figures who come from newer religions, such as some Hindus regarding Jesus as an avatar. Next time try and understand a concept by reading up on it instead of relying on the superficial interpretation of an anime version (Avatar Last Airbender). Read the actual Hindu sacred text, the Bhagavad Gita to have a better understanding of what an avatar is.

Secondly, I don't understand how Islam is even applicable to what we are discussing here. Islam isn't an ancient religion, it is relatively new compared to all the other major world religions and it is exclusively concentrated on an Arabic reinterpretation and recontextualising of Judeo Christianity.

“Some hindus” regarding jesus as an avatar doesn’t mean Hinduism Religion borrowed the avatar idea from jesus or regards jesus as an avatar, “some hindus” has nothing to do with Hinduism religion, like you said, in the “actual hindus sacred text”, is there anything like jesus as an avatar?
“Some christians” also regard jesus as angel michael.

MaxInDHouse:
From Abraham down to David the promise has continued so all the demons (pagan gods) keep speculating how gods were born in one place after another so that by the time Christ is born it won't be anything special after all it has been heard in various pagan traditions!

Well by the time the real promised child was born Satan can't keep it low he quickly turned into a fake Star and led his agents to Herod the great, was it to to get baby Jesus killed before his time? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa! Satan knew that he can't kill Jesus but to make the baby start doing supernatural thing so as to alert all God's enemies but God told Joseph to take the baby away until Herod the great died.

So it was all fabricated to discredit the Christ!

You're focused on one thing alone, the Virgin birth of Jesus, to argue that similar stories that predated the supposedly virgin birth of Jesus were fabricated.

Apart from the virgin birth, nearly everything about the life of Jesus , especially some of the sermons he gave, followed the same pattern as those you claimed were fabricated by demons.

For instance, Jesus sermon on the mount and some of his other sayings are similar to the ones attributed to Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita.

How were the demons able to know almost exact word for word what Jesus was going to say thousands of years before he was going to say it? And how is that even possible?

The demons, according to you, knew beforehand what was coming and used it to fabricate a story to mislead the everyone.

But God, who should be aware of the evil plan of the demons , kept silent and didn't bother to, either alert his numerous prophets to warn the people as at that time, or to do something
about it, in order to be ahead of the demons in whatever they plan to do.

This is strange and does not make any sense. As ordinary humans, once we get to know that our enemy is in the know of what we want to do, we don't just sit down and fold our hands.

We do something so that our enemy don't act as a stumbling block to what we intend to achieve.

But from your explanation you have presented your God as clueless and helpless ,who didn't know what to do, and of course that's the reason you're now making excuse on his behalf.

I think your Op is meant for the people in your congregation who need an explanation to assuage their doubt about the authenticity of the Jesus story so they can continue to believe

It was a mistake on your part to have brought it here.

triplechoice:
It was a mistake on your part to have brought it here.

+1

budaatum:
+1

Happy new year. budaatum

[quote author=AvailethNone post=120111936]Again you're missing the point entirely. The entire focus of this thread is that Christianity is just a myth and it took ideas or concepts from older religious myths which preceded it.

I haven't argued against, have i?

[quote]Meanwhile Islamisidiotic is saying that sometimes it is the other way around: older religions have been known to borrow ideas or even deify figures who come from newer religions, such as some Hindus regarding Jesus as an avatar.

Provide instances where Jesus was made reference to in a Hindu scripture? That's what Buda asked that guy. No replies yet.

Next time try and understand a concept by reading up on it instead of relying on the superficial interpretation of an anime version (Avatar Last Airbender). Read the actual Hindu sacred text, the Bhagavad Gita to have a better understanding of what an avatar is.

Supposing you had said something tangible, maybe i wont be clumping you in the same category as the idlot..

Secondly, I don't understand how Islam is even applicable to what we are discussing here. Islam isn't an ancient religion, it is relatively new compared to all the other major world religions and it is exclusively concentrated on an Arabic reinterpretation and recontextualising of Judeo Christianity.

Nothing tangible yet. Provide instances where Christianity influenced Hinduism nd how it has progressed with so called influence.. Simple. Was it due to jesus that the concepts of Avatar was formed?

jaephoenix:
We are talking about copying stories here. The great flood, Virgin birth etc were all copied. What is complex about that

And..

triplechoice:
You're focused on one thing alone, the Virgin birth of Jesus, to argue that similar stories that predated the supposedly virgin birth of Jesus were fabricated. Apart from the virgin birth, nearly everything about the life of Jesus , especially some of the sermons he gave, followed the same pattern as those you claimed were fabricated by demons. For instance, Jesus sermon on the mount and some of his other sayings are similar to the ones attributed to Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita. How were the demons able to know almost exact word for word what Jesus was going to say thousands of years before he was going to say it? And how is that even possible?
The demons, according to you, knew beforehand what was coming and used it to fabricate a story to mislead the everyone.
But God, who should be aware of the evil plan of the demons , kept silent and didn't bother to, either alert his numerous prophets to warn the people as at that time, or to do something
about it, in order to be ahead of the demons in whatever they plan to do. This is strange and does not make any sense. As ordinary humans, once we get to know that our enemy is in the know of what we want to do, we don't just sit down and fold our hands. We do something so that our enemy don't act as a stumbling block to what we intend to achieve.
But from your explanation you have presented your God as clueless and helpless ,who didn't know what to do, and of course that's the reason you're now making excuse on his behalf. I think your Op is meant for the people in your congregation who need an explanation to assuage their doubt about the authenticity of the Jesus story so they can continue to believe It was a mistake on your part to have brought it here.

When John said:

"The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil" 1John 3:8

According to God's word when He looked at everything He has made it was PERFECT! Gen 1:31

God knew that no matter what Satan and his cohorts (demons) may fabricate right thinking humans will discern that something is wrong somewhere. Adam has the sense and power to say "NO" to Eve just as Job who wasn't as untouchable for Satan later did despite all the calamities Satan brought upon Job.

So if you doubt what demons are capable of doing then you need to intensify in your study of the scriptures.

Everything Jesus taught the demons themselves knew but the problem is that they are fighting against God's sovereignty.

For instance do you think your human rulers don't know how to make life comfortable for their citizens?
Of course they knew very well!
But why aren't they doing it?

Well it's because if life is comfortable for you the domination won't be there anymore and their own children won't rule over yours but if you're living from hand to mouth they will pay you to go and kill your brother who is speaking against them and if you decline tens of thousands around you will do it!

So i purposely brought this up please let the atheists cry if they want because God's only begotten Son has come to do what demons and their human agents tried to fabricate for thousands of years but failed:

"All those who have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers; but the sheep have not listened to them" John 10:8

YES! Many have come to confuse people so that by the time the real Christ arrive his case will make no sense but we have the EVIDENCE to prove that they're all working for Satan and demons who knew before hand what Jesus is coming to do!

Aemmyjah:
Lol
You specifically mentioned the Bible Said Earth is flat
I asked you to show me but you couldn't
Apeman

No, it didn't specifically mention flat earth' but look at these verses.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Psalm 104:5
He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever

Read these 2 verses first

MaxInDHouse:
He is quoting the misinterpretation of atheists who infused in his head what he should think about God's word. Whenever you see an atheist quoting the Bible his white supremacists has spoonfed him on what he should conclude on each Bible verse he wants to quote.
So when they meet true disciples of Christ explaining better they get really mad thinking you can't know better than their white supremacists who told them they're the former custodians of God's word that brought Christianity to the blacks therefore they have the right to determine how a black man should think regarding the Bible!

If you ask an atheist "who is a CHRISTIAN" he will start telling you what his white supremacists gave him as a definition but if you ask him "who is CHRIST?" an atheist will get provoked because he knows there's no way he can rightly define CHRISTIAN without admitting that CHRIST should be the determining factor!

MadMax the man, always talking out of point as if its in fashion.
By the way, between you that is told everything to believe by 8 bald headed old white men and me, that think independently, who is being spoonfed?

Image123:
Just like i defined, an armchair critic. You already pre-determined that an unmentioned miracle did not happen, yet you expect me to waste my time trying to convince you. Who are you again? If you want to disprove miracles, get off that chair and put your money where your mouth is, work those lazy socks off.

I have already told you I haven't seen any, and also said if you have any evidence, let me have it. But you have been going round in circles for weeks now, just mouthing off. How would I get evidence of miracles when I clearly told you I haven't seen any?
Seriously I wonder how these guys reason

kkins25:
And..

… that means your favorite story book, the Bible was copied.
Savvy?

MaxInDHouse:
When John said:

"The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil" 1John 3:8

According to God's word when He looked at everything He has made it was PERFECT! Gen 1:31

God knew that no matter what Satan and his cohorts (demons) may fabricate right thinking humans will discern that something is wrong somewhere. Adam has the sense and power to say "NO" to Eve just as Job who wasn't as untouchable for Satan later did despite all the calamities Satan brought upon Job.

So if you doubt what demons are capable of doing then you need to intensify in your study of the scriptures.

Everything Jesus taught the demons themselves knew but the problem is that they are fighting against God's sovereignty.

For instance do you think your human rulers don't know how to make life comfortable for their citizens?
Of course they knew very well!
But why aren't they doing it?

Well it's because if life is comfortable for you the domination won't be there anymore and their own children won't rule over yours but if you're living from hand to mouth they will pay you to go and kill your brother who is speaking against them and if you decline tens of thousands around you will do it!

So i purposely brought this up please let the atheists cry if they want because God's only begotten Son has come to do what demons and their human agents tried to fabricate for thousands of years but failed:

"All those who have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers; but the sheep have not listened to them" John 10:8

YES! Many have come to confuse people so that by the time the real Christ arrive his case will make no sense but we have the EVIDENCE to prove that they're all working for Satan and demons who knew before hand what Jesus is coming to do!

Lol. Your case is getting worse.

triplechoice:
For instance, Jesus sermon on the mount and some of his other sayings are similar to the ones attributed to Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita.

How were the demons able to know almost exact word for word what Jesus was going to say thousands of years before he was going to say it? And how is that even possible?

Can you please provide at least a reference for this abeg! What are some of those sayings that were repeated by Jesus Christ ?

jaephoenix:
I have already told you I haven't seen any, and also said if you have any evidence, let me have it. But you have been going round in circles for weeks now, just mouthing off. How would I get evidence of miracles when I clearly told you I haven't seen any?
Seriously I wonder how these guys reason

Weeks? i have barely known you for one week. If you can lie so brazenly about something so simple, you again prove yourself as the confirmed armchair critic.

Image123:
Weeks? i have barely known you for one week. If you can lie so brazenly about something so simple, you again prove yourself as the confirmed armchair critic.

About a week. Doesn't matter. Keep looking for excuses for your inability to provide proof

jaephoenix:
About a week. Doesn't matter. Keep looking for excuses for your inability to provide proof

Quit sitting on that lazy armchair.

jaephoenix:
No, it didn't specifically mention flat earth' but look at these verses.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Psalm 104:5
He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever

Read these 2 verses first

You're the one shooting yourself in the foot and brain
Does the skies not look like a tent over the Earth?
How tiny would we be like when viewed from space?

Does Psalm 104:5 tells you the earth is flat as you yourself said?

Image123:
Quit sitting on that lazy armchair.

Lol. I aint lazy. Like I said, I have searched and haven't seen any proof. Its your turn to do the needful

Aemmyjah:
You're the one shooting yourself in the foot and brain
Does the skies not look like a tent over the Earth?
How tiny would we be like when viewed from space?

Does Psalm 104:5 tells you the earth is flat as you yourself said?

Was Isaiah talking about aerial view of the earth? No.
Psalm 104:5 is even worse. Its saying the earth has foundations

jaephoenix:
… that means your favorite story book, the Bible was copied.
Savvy?

Is there any one that wasn't copied from those before it?

jaephoenix:
Lol. I aint lazy. Like I said, I have searched and haven't seen any proof. Its your turn to do the needful

You forgot what i told you, i don't owe you. Go out and search better.

kkins25:
Is there any one that wasn't copied from those before it?

I dont know. But we're not talking about those other ones, are we? We're talking about the Bible here. And there's proof it copied all its stories

jaephoenix:
Was Isaiah talking about aerial view of the earth? No.
Psalm 104:5 is even worse. Its saying the earth has foundations

Why you do you show your folly,
When inside a tent can we not see the top (Ariel) of the tent ?

can a thing stand without foundation?

Your foolishness is without measure.

Image123:
You forgot what i told you, i don't owe you. Go out and search better.

Good. Since you have admitted you got no proof, don't go mouthing off that miracles exist. That would be lying, and guess who is the father of all liars? Nice!

jaephoenix:
Good. Since you have admitted you got no proof, don't go mouthing off that miracles exist. That would be lying, and guess who is the father of all liars? Nice!

Stop lying or get your comprehension fixed. i said i am not giving you and i do not owe you evidence/proof. i did not say that i have no proof.

Image123:
Stop lying or get your comprehension fixed. i said i am not giving you and i do not owe you evidence/proof. i did not say that i have no proof.

Devils will always resort to lies when they have nothing valid to say.

Dtruthspeaker:
Why you do you show your folly,
When inside a tent can we not see the top (Ariel) of the tent ?

can a thing stand without foundation?

Your foolishness is without measure.

And I'm getting flak from the dude that failed o'level biology and geography? Awww shit.
Anyway bro, the earth doesn't have foundations.
And Isaiah was talking about aerial view. Aerial means views from the skies. And its obvious there wasn't any planes back then. Unless of course, you had flying chariots back then.

Image123:
Stop lying or get your comprehension fixed. i said i am not giving you and i do not owe you evidence/proof. i did not say that i have no proof.

Oh you said so multiple times, sire

jaephoenix:
And Isaiah was talking about aerial view. Aerial means views from the skies. And its obvious there wasn't any planes back then. Unless of course, you had flying chariots back then.

So when you eyes look up you are not able to see the Ariel sky?

And enough disgracing yourself nothing stands without foundation even if you can not see it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Devils will always resort to lies when they have nothing valid to say.

And here comes my dear buddy. How you doing sir? Kind of you to chip your wisdom into our convo