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Exactly

Please Obidients should not take this for granted.

Voting has started early.

Obi all the way!

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Hmm

I see they didn't test it before Osun election that's why PDP rigged it. Thank God for tribunal

BluntTheApostle:
I was telling people that this is Nigeria, they were laughing, believing that BVAS will end all our electoral problems, the same way some delusional people believe Peter Obi will turn Nigeria to Dubai.



Now, with just about three weeks to go, they are just doing a pilot study.



Una never ready.

You are a man with sense. It is funny how people fail to think in this country. Our politicians know how to fool us too much. Samething is happening with the new nairanote drama

Brendaniel:
After finding out the method used for the judgement on the election tribunal that gave victory to Oyetola over Adeleke, I would say it is a recipe for disaster, the method applied was cancelling all the votes of a polling unit because of over voting in that particular polling unit.


The questions I ask are:

1. As it happened that there were over voting in various polling units in the Osun election, what if each opposition connives to perpetrate over voting in polling units in each opposition strong holds?

2. What then is the use for BVAS in over voting if after the BVAS is able to identify the number of over votes only to end up cancelling all votes(valid) and over votes(invalid) ? That is like throwing away a baby with the bath water.

3. If there is an election tribunal like this and a rerun takes place, what if the same over voting keeps occurring over and over, would they keep repeating the election tribunal process and back to rerun again?

In my opinion, the law is just an error or a purposeful scheme to rig an election using what I call reverse voting
Just simply tamper with your opposition strong holds and invalidate their votes, So we might be having a case where a carefully selected and protected minority will determine winners of an election instead of the majority carrying the votes.


Implications:

1. It will make elections become very dirty because politicians will be all about scheming to invalidate votes in opposition strong holds.

2. It will make the voters lose confidence in the electoral process, because a voter will not be sure if his vote will be invalidated or not by someone else scheming with a politician in his/her polling unit.

3. It will make voters wear out easily and may cause voter apathy when you have reruns after stressful elections, thereby reducing voters turn-up in reruns.

4. It may not reflect the true will of the people and also reduce the total number of voter participation, just like the Osun election tribunal, the total number of votes cast for both PDP and APC after the cancellation doesn't reflect the true will of the people to declare Oyetola the winner.

5. Elections will cost more because of Tribunal, reruns and time wasting.

6. It could lead to anarchy and total chaos, like in some volatile states in the north where they riot over political results, just imagine after election and INEC says they have cancelled over 20,000 polling units across the north which were all stronghold of a particular candidate, because of over voting of less than 2000 voters, imagine what will happen in the aftermath of such news.

Solution:

In situations of over voting, Why not just deduct the invalid votes(over votes) and count the rest, the BVAS already identifies the number of over votes(invalid votes), doing so, INEC will avoid a lot of election tribunals, scheming by politicians, reduce cost of doing reruns, make more accurate results, increase voters confidence, reduce time wasting, reflect the true will of the people and avoid anarchy.

If a common Nigeria can think like this, one would expect the judge that passed the judgment to have better thinking.

But then, we know why they gave victory to APC, unless of course we want to deceive ourselves.

This reminded me of how they postponed election by a week in 2015. Another general election is in few days time, I'm expecting another shocker even though nothing dey shock me again.

Brendaniel:
After finding out the method used for the judgement on the election tribunal that gave victory to Oyetola over Adeleke, I would say it is a recipe for disaster, the method applied was cancelling all the votes of a polling unit because of over voting in that particular polling unit.


The questions I ask are:

1. As it happened that there were over voting in various polling units in the Osun election, what if each opposition connives to perpetrate over voting in polling units in each opposition strong holds?

2. What then is the use for BVAS in over voting if after the BVAS is able to identify the number of over votes only to end up cancelling all votes(valid) and over votes(invalid) ? That is like throwing away a baby with the bath water.

3. If there is an election tribunal like this and a rerun takes place, what if the same over voting keeps occurring over and over, would they keep repeating the election tribunal process and back to rerun again?

In my opinion, the law is just an error or a purposeful scheme to rig an election using what I call reverse voting
Just simply tamper with your opposition strong holds and invalidate their votes, So we might be having a case where a carefully selected and protected minority will determine winners of an election instead of the majority carrying the votes.


Implications:

1. It will make elections become very dirty because politicians will be all about scheming to invalidate votes in opposition strong holds.

2. It will make the voters lose confidence in the electoral process, because a voter will not be sure if his vote will be invalidated or not by someone else scheming with a politician in his/her polling unit.

3. It will make voters wear out easily and may cause voter apathy when you have reruns after stressful elections, thereby reducing voters turn-up in reruns.

4. It may not reflect the true will of the people and also reduce the total number of voter participation, just like the Osun election tribunal, the total number of votes cast for both PDP and APC after the cancellation doesn't reflect the true will of the people to declare Oyetola the winner.

5. Elections will cost more because of Tribunal, reruns and time wasting.

6. It could lead to anarchy and total chaos, like in some volatile states in the north where they riot over political results, just imagine after election and INEC says they have cancelled over 20,000 polling units across the north which were all stronghold of a particular candidate, because of over voting of less than 2000 voters, imagine what will happen in the aftermath of such news.

Solution:

In situations of over voting, Why not just deduct the invalid votes(over votes) and count the rest, the BVAS already identifies the number of over votes(invalid votes), doing so, INEC will avoid a lot of election tribunals, scheming by politicians, reduce cost of doing reruns, make more accurate results, increase voters confidence, reduce time wasting, reflect the true will of the people and avoid anarchy.

One thing is,, we keep trying to make things better with each turn.

One truth right now is that: “over-voting had been technically defeated”.

We are left with “vote-buying”, which would also be defeated very soon.


Now, for an Opposition to cause over-voting in an Opposition’s stronghold.??
Like, taking 10-to-15 infiltrators and going to a stronghold of about 30,000 dedicated voters who are ready to protect their votes and make it counted??

Is that not suicide.??
Especially now that “OVER-VOTING” had been established to be a very bad EVIL that must be avoided by all-and-every means possible.??

North4Obi23:
Buhari's message to Tinubu

Oga Tinubu,

You're very sick and old
you're too corrupt and cold
You're a druggie and a rogue
Your past is not even known
I can't sacrifice the lives of 200 million
Nigerians for your selfish ambition.

I have told Nigerians already that my health and old age affected my performance. Why are you so daft to know Nigerians have rejected you?

And you think Buhari is as foolish as yourself not to know that he’ll go to jail if another party wins the election. It’s no longer upto Tinubu, it’s left for the failed government. They will have to cover their corruption by pushing their party presidential ticket holder to win whether they support him on not, this is how they will be on a safer side and safe their heads. It’s politics!

BluntCrazeMan:
One thing is,, we keep trying to make things better with each turn.

One truth right now is that: “over-voting had been technically defeated”.

We are left with “vote-buying”, which would also be defeated very soon.


Now, for an Opposition to cause over-voting in an Opposition’s stronghold.??
Like, taking 10-to-15 infiltrators and going to a stronghold of about 30,000 dedicated voters who are ready to protect their votes and make it counted??

Is that not suicide.??
Especially now that “OVER-VOTING” had been established to be a very bad EVIL that must be avoided by all-and-every means possible.??

The question is who will avoid it, can you stop an INEC staff from doing that, who knows how many are already compromised.....

that law has a very big problem when there is BVAS, why wait till the damage is done, this law can be changed before any election takes place again....

HardMirror:
You are a man with sense. It is funny how people fail to think in this country. Our politicians know how to fool us too much. Samething is happening with the new nairanote drama

Exactly.


I can't understand how a full-bloodied Nigerian will believe Emefiele is using new naira notes to curb vote buying.


No be Nigeria we dey again?



When we were shouting then that CORRUPTION is our biggest problem in Nigeria, no one listened.


Now, see how PDP tried to rig themselves into office even with the overglorified BVAS.


We underrate corruption in this country. Anyone who has a doubt about how corrupt this country is should go and read these 3 books:


1. Expo 77 by Chukwuemeka Ike

2. No Longer at Ease (and many other books) by Chinua Achebe.


3. The Open Sore of a Continent (and many other books and plays) by Wole Soyinka.

NOETHNICITY:
When Tinubu pointed out the vulnerability and inconsistency of BVAS system, obidients criticized him saying he was scared of a transparent electoral process.
There is something you can’t take away from Tinubu, he is simply brilliant. He is able to see what others can’t and this is the reason he is always ahead of his peers.
Before now we all thought that the BVAS was foolproof and impossible to manipulate. Alas we were all wrong as it has been proven in the Osun election that we still have some distance to cover in finding a perfect foolproof electoral formula

You just had to make it about tinibu didn't you

Psalmistproject:
Please Obidients should not take this for granted.

Voting has started early.

Obi all the way!

nor go do mock vote come sit down for house when real vote dey occur o

NOETHNICITY:
When Tinubu pointed out the vulnerability and inconsistency of BVAS system, obidients criticized him saying he was scared of a transparent electoral process.
There is something you can’t take away from Tinubu, he is simply brilliant. He is able to see what others can’t and this is the reason he is always ahead of his peers.
Before now we all thought that the BVAS was foolproof and impossible to manipulate. Alas we were all wrong as it has been proven in the Osun election that we still have some distance to cover in finding a perfect foolproof electoral formula

Even you know Tinubu doesn't want bvas because his only way to win is by rigging.
Bvas is here to stay and tinubu is here to lose miserably

Very important for improvement

Brian47:
You just had to make it about tinibu didn't you

But he was right afterall

Brian47:
You just had to make it about tinibu didn't you

Of course it’s about him. He was the first to express concern about the BVAS and everybody criticized him including INEC chairman.

Brendaniel:
After finding out the method used for the judgement on the election tribunal that gave victory to Oyetola over Adeleke, I would say it is a recipe for disaster, the method applied was cancelling all the votes of a polling unit because of over voting in that particular polling unit.


The questions I ask are:

1. As it happened that there were over voting in various polling units in the Osun election, what if each opposition connives to perpetrate over voting in polling units in each opposition strong holds?

2. What then is the use for BVAS in over voting if after the BVAS is able to identify the number of over votes only to end up cancelling all votes(valid) and over votes(invalid) ? That is like throwing away a baby with the bath water.

3. If there is an election tribunal like this and a rerun takes place, what if the same over voting keeps occurring over and over, would they keep repeating the election tribunal process and back to rerun again?

In my opinion, the law is just an error or a purposeful scheme to rig an election using what I call reverse voting
Just simply tamper with your opposition strong holds and invalidate their votes, So we might be having a case where a carefully selected and protected minority will determine winners of an election instead of the majority carrying the votes.


Implications:

1. It will make elections become very dirty because politicians will be all about scheming to invalidate votes in opposition strong holds.

2. It will make the voters lose confidence in the electoral process, because a voter will not be sure if his vote will be invalidated or not by someone else scheming with a politician in his/her polling unit.

3. It will make voters wear out easily and may cause voter apathy when you have reruns after stressful elections, thereby reducing voters turn-up in reruns.

4. It may not reflect the true will of the people and also reduce the total number of voter participation, just like the Osun election tribunal, the total number of votes cast for both PDP and APC after the cancellation doesn't reflect the true will of the people to declare Oyetola the winner.

5. Elections will cost more because of Tribunal, reruns and time wasting.

6. It could lead to anarchy and total chaos, like in some volatile states in the north where they riot over political results, just imagine after election and INEC says they have cancelled over 20,000 polling units across the north which were all stronghold of a particular candidate, because of over voting of less than 2000 voters, imagine what will happen in the aftermath of such news.

Solution:

In situations of over voting, Why not just deduct the invalid votes(over votes) and count the rest, the BVAS already identifies the number of over votes(invalid votes), doing so, INEC will avoid a lot of election tribunals, scheming by politicians, reduce cost of doing reruns, make more accurate results, increase voters confidence, reduce time wasting, reflect the true will of the people and avoid anarchy.

If u remove the over votes (excess votes) as suggested then from whose result will they remove the votes? Is it APC OR PDP. so the best decision is to cancel the unit

daygee12:
If u remove the over votes (excess votes) as suggested then from whose result will they remove the votes? Is it APC OR PDP. so the best decision is to cancel the unit

Any vote that belongs to any party that was not accredited should be removed, simple, the rest should be counted...

Brendaniel:
Any vote that belongs to any party that was not accredited should be removed, simple, the rest should be counted...

How would u know a vote isn't accredited to party, please ask urself different questions before u reply me

Ofunaofu:

*Assures Nigerians PVCs will be delivered to all registered voters




https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2023/01/28/inec-to-test-bvas-with-mock-accreditation-exercise-february-4/

Hope una no go add am for APC votes during the election proper🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Brendaniel:
Any vote that belongs to any party that was not accredited should be removed, simple, the rest should be counted...

The Bvas does not record the party each accredited voter voted for. So it will be impossible to sort.

yusfatedeeprof:
The Bvas does not record the party each accredited voter voted for. So it will be impossible to sort.

it does not need to, BVAS does the accreditation, so any thumb print on the ballot papers that does not reflect on the BVAS should be removed....

NOETHNICITY:
When Tinubu pointed out the vulnerability and inconsistency of BVAS system, obidients criticized him saying he was scared of a transparent electoral process.
There is something you can’t take away from Tinubu, he is simply brilliant. He is able to see what others can’t and this is the reason he is always ahead of his peers.
Before now we all thought that the BVAS was foolproof and impossible to manipulate. Alas we were all wrong as it has been proven in the Osun election that we still have some distance to cover in finding a perfect foolproof electoral formula

The foolproof electoral formula is to let voters use their NIN with a phone number attached to vote.
There's no need to register to vote, once you're above 18 years you're automatically eligible to vote as a Nigerian citizen.
What should be asked at the polling unit is your NIN and using the BVAS to verify its you through fingerprint and facial recognition.
The BVAS should not only verify or accredit you, it should also receive your vote and upload it to INEC portal automatically and immediately.
All this fuss about overvoting nonsense is shameful and retrogressive.
Your phone number should receive an SMS alerting you to haven voted and the party you voted for.

Brendaniel:
it does not need to, BVAS does the accreditation, so any thumb print on the ballot papers that does not reflect on the BVAS should be removed....

Thumbprint on a ballot paper is not sufficient to connect the vote to the person. There's no way to differentiate votes from accredited voters and the ones that are not accredited. You get the point now?

yusfatedeeprof:
Thumbprint on a ballot paper is not sufficient to connect the vote to the person. There's no way to differentiate votes from accredited voters and the ones that are not accredited. You get the point now?

Oga you don't need to know the person, just deduct invalid ballot papers, that is all ....

Electronic voting is the final solution to all these nonsense. Seriously how can you cancel over 100k valid votes because of over voting of less than 5k votes. If they can't conduct a rerun in those polling units affected too bad for our democracy.

Good.

Brendaniel:
After finding
Solution:

In situations of over voting, Why not just deduct the invalid votes(over votes) and count the rest, the BVAS already identifies the number of over votes(invalid votes), doing so, INEC will avoid a lot of election tribunals, scheming by politicians, reduce cost of doing reruns, make more accurate results, increase voters confidence, reduce time wasting, reflect the true will of the people and avoid anarchy.

Sorry, but how can you determine the invalid votes?
In a pool of let’s say 1000 ballot papers, how can you remove invalid votes? Remember over voting is different from invalid votes.