Brendaniel:


Oga you don't need to know the person, just deduct invalid ballot papers, that is all ....

After accreditation, you thumbprint on a ballot paper, people that weren't accredited also thumbprint on a ballot paper. All the ballot paper will be in a box and be counted when voting exercise have been completed. There's no way to know whether a ballot paper was used by an accredited voter or not. So how would you know which one is valid or invalid?

frowland:


Sorry, but how can you determine the invalid votes?

It's possible but it's tedious . Inec will have to manually remove ballot papers by identifying same fingerprints on multiple ballot papers and fingerprints that were not accredited by the Bvas on election day.

Brendaniel:


it does not need to, BVAS does the accreditation, so any thumb print on the ballot papers that does not reflect on the BVAS should be removed....

How will you sort the thumb print? Do INEC have a machine that can read thumb printed ballots? Just asking.

frowland:


How will you sort the thumb print? Do INEC have a machine that can read thumb printed ballots? Just asking.

The technology exists already. No need reinventing the wheel.

frowland:


How will you sort the thumb print? Do INEC have a machine that can read thumb printed ballots? Just asking.

There are machines that do that and it is cheaper and faster than election tribunals...

Fiyin007:


The technology exists already. No need reinventing the wheel.

I know it does but I ask if INEC have such machine? If they don’t then this said task is near impossible to achieve in Nigerian settings.

yusfatedeeprof:

After accreditation, you thumbprint on a ballot paper, people that weren't accredited also thumbprint on a ballot paper. All the ballot paper will be in a box and be counted when voting exercise have been completed. There's no way to know whether a ballot paper was used by an accredited voter or not. So how would you know which one is valid or invalid?

There are machines that do that and it is cheaper and faster than election tribunals...

Brendaniel:


There are machines that do that and it is cheaper and faster than election tribunals...

My question was specific. “Does INEC have such machine”?

After all the testing they should make sure they delete everything o,I know why am saying this

frowland:


My question was specific. “Does INEC have such machine”?

I'm not here to accuse INEC of any wrong doing, I'm here to advocate for INEC to make the necessary changes since I can see loop holes in the system politicians can use to manipulate elections, if they don't have it, they should get it, they should also change the law for poll unit cancelation on issue of over voting , that is like throwing away a baby with the bath water when you can simply remove the baby and throw away the bath water....

Brendaniel:



There are machines that do that and it is cheaper and faster than election tribunals...

So the machine will by itself read the fingerprint on the ballot paper and match it with the ones on the Bvas? I don't know how practical that is. It's best if Inec fix their flaws and stop over-voting by making sure the number of people that voted in a polling unit is in sync with the numbers of accredited voters on the Bvas before the result can be called.

But in this Osun case it's best the results are cancelled outrightly, or a rerun is done in those affected areas.

for those of that say u will teach Peter obi a lesson in next month election and u they filling station they queue for fuel , lol u are already receiving the lessons

yusfatedeeprof:

So the machine will by itself read the fingerprint on the ballot paper and match it with the ones on the Bvas? I don't know how practical that is. It's best if Inec fix their flaws and stop over-voting by making sure the number of people that voted in a polling unit is in sync with the numbers of accredited voters on the Bvas before the result can be called.

But in this Osun case it's best the results are cancelled outrightly, or a rerun is done in those affected areas.

The cancelation of the entire polling unit is the problem I have with the process, it shouldn't be so, the votes can still be screened to determine valid votes from non valid votes. Which one is cheaper to go to court waste time then come back and do a rerun....

Gospel2Day:


The foolproof electoral formula is to let voters use their NIN with a phone number attached to vote.
There's no need to register to vote, once you're above 18 years you're automatically eligible to vote as a Nigerian citizen.
What should be asked at the polling unit is your NIN and using the BVAS to verify its you through fingerprint and facial recognition.
The BVAS should not only verify or accredit you, it should also receive your vote and upload it to INEC portal automatically and immediately.
All this fuss about overvoting nonsense is shameful and retrogressive.
Your phone number should receive an SMS alerting you to haven voted and the party you voted for.

Brilliant

Brendaniel:


The cancelation of the entire polling unit is the problem I have with the process, it shouldn't be so, the votes can still be screened to determine valid votes from non valid votes. Which one is cheaper to go to court waste time then come back and do a rerun....

There shouldn't be over-voting in the first place if Inec did their job excellently. Over-voting is a deliberate act, it's premeditated. Any Inec officer whose polling unit has over-voting should be punished. They all must follow due process and must be trained properly. Immediately someone is accredited they vote and leave, no accreditation no vote, it's simple. No need for any fingerprint matching machine

The over voting is because polling unit officers were told to transfer the number of true voters from the BVAS machine INTO Form EC8.

This is where some officers rigged.

E.g BVAS recorded 450voters, officer recorded 600voters inside Form EC8.

INEC should no longer use Form EC8 to calculate election results.

All calculations should be based on BVAS machines NO MORE use of Form EC8!

Peter Obi will win this election by God's grace.

Vote Labour Party

yusfatedeeprof:

There shouldn't be over-voting in the first place if Inec did their job excellently. Over-voting is a deliberate act, it's premeditated. Any Inec officer whose polling unit has over-voting should be punished. They all must follow due process and must be trained properly. Immediately someone is accredited they vote and leave, no accreditation no vote, it's simple. No need for any fingerprint matching machine

Thank You, I wish it could happen this way but you and I both know that there might still be corrupt INEC officials, fir example the Osun election did you hear of INEC official getting punished, and I don't think anyone will get punished.

You see there is a difference in trying to catch a thief or trying to stop a thief from stealing and when a thief is aware that he cannot use or sell a stolen item.

A thief who stole a car he cannot drive or sell because of the security features in it and the car is recovered even without punishing him, do you think if he sees that car again he will have interest in stealing it even if all the opportunities present itself....

Ok now





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Brendaniel:
After finding out the method used for the judgement on the election tribunal that gave victory to Oyetola over Adeleke, I would say it is a recipe for disaster, the method applied was cancelling all the votes of a polling unit because of over voting in that particular polling unit.


The questions I ask are:

1. As it happened that there were over voting in various polling units in the Osun election, what if each opposition connives to perpetrate over voting in polling units in each opposition strong holds?

2. What then is the use for BVAS in over voting if after the BVAS is able to identify the number of over votes only to end up cancelling all votes(valid) and over votes(invalid) ? That is like throwing away a baby with the bath water.

3. If there is an election tribunal like this and a rerun takes place, what if the same over voting keeps occurring over and over, would they keep repeating the election tribunal process and back to rerun again?

In my opinion, the law is just an error or a purposeful scheme to rig an election using what I call reverse voting
Just simply tamper with your opposition strong holds and invalidate their votes, So we might be having a case where a carefully selected and protected minority will determine winners of an election instead of the majority carrying the votes.


Implications:

1. It will make elections become very dirty because politicians will be all about scheming to invalidate votes in opposition strong holds.

2. It will make the voters lose confidence in the electoral process, because a voter will not be sure if his vote will be invalidated or not by someone else scheming with a politician in his/her polling unit.

3. It will make voters wear out easily and may cause voter apathy when you have reruns after stressful elections, thereby reducing voters turn-up in reruns.

4. It may not reflect the true will of the people and also reduce the total number of voter participation, just like the Osun election tribunal, the total number of votes cast for both PDP and APC after the cancellation doesn't reflect the true will of the people to declare Oyetola the winner.

5. Elections will cost more because of Tribunal, reruns and time wasting.

6. It could lead to anarchy and total chaos, like in some volatile states in the north where they riot over political results, just imagine after election and INEC says they have cancelled over 20,000 polling units across the north which were all stronghold of a particular candidate, because of over voting of less than 2000 voters, imagine what will happen in the aftermath of such news.

Solution:

In situations of over voting, Why not just deduct the invalid votes(over votes) and count the rest, the BVAS already identifies the number of over votes(invalid votes), doing so, INEC will avoid a lot of election tribunals, scheming by politicians, reduce cost of doing reruns, make more accurate results, increase voters confidence, reduce time wasting, reflect the true will of the people and avoid anarchy.

You are wrong on multiple fronts, over-voting is done in areas where the favoured candidate is popular. So anyone that wins in a situation of 'over-voting' is not the victim but a perpetrator whether directly or indirectly.

Horllamideh:


You are wrong on multiple fronts, over-voting is done in areas where the favoured candidate is popular. So anyone that wins in a situation of 'over-voting' is not the victim but a perpetrator whether directly or indirectly.

I don't care who committed the offense, just deduct the over votes and leave the real votes...

….and still blame someone/something afterwards ….and still blame someone/something afterwards ...