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Jodera:
I no know where you see contact sha.

Cadiz defender slipped as there was no contact

Jodera:
Kokaneprodigy, This is pictures not videos, so it won't capture my point I've been insistent on...

My main point is that

1... the pass being made to the offside players(in this case Man u and Sevilla)

2.. how they(the offside players) made the play active by chasing the ball

3... How they stopped at the last minute for their teammate(who's onside) to receive the ball without they(the offside players) touching the ball

These 3 scenerios was what happened in both games. You've talked about contact by Sevilla player on the Cadiz player which is valid(if true). But I'm not seeing any contact at all instead the Cadiz player slipped

TradingGod:
For God sake why will this useless racial stereotypes still persist in this era? :-/

Because Lokonga is a black midfielder means that automatically he is partey replacement?

Like WTF, they don't even play the same position yet we blame him for trying his best in a position that is alien to him just because he is black does not mean that he is a DMF like partey


Lokonga is more of Xhaka understudy than partey, that is why when Xhaka was playing partey role, we saw how useless he was in ghat position.


Abeg make una they add context before passing judgements, because this young man is trying his best in a position that even your great Xhaka flopped big time

And you guys forget that this young man rarely get a game time which is not normal for a player of that age and when he finally get the opportunity to play, he will be playing out of position just because he is a black midfielder


Being a black midfielder does not mean that he can play that DMF role effectively like Partey, Kante, Bissouma, Makelele, Essien etc.


Give him consistent game time in Xhaka role and watch him blossom into a start that he was destined to be


Abeg make una stop this useless racial sterotype because that young man is not a DMF but a CMF


So stop blamimg him for a role that is not his.

Even Odegard that is shouting like a market woman on heat, if he rarely get game time in his favored position and when he finally get the opportunity to play he is being played as a 9, tell me if odeggard output will not drop too

Spy360:
Please note that I do not intend to make you change your opinion as leadership is very subjective.

Mine is that knowing how Lokonga has come under criticism in recent times, that action can make him go low.

I remember how Xhaka felt after fans were calling him out while on the pitch and then suddenly the coach decides to sub him. The reaction of the fans became more intensed which led to Xhaka throwing his shirt away damning the consequences.

We saw how Lokonga walked away from the fans?

There are better ways to handle such issues and as Roland said, Arteta had to take the initiative and leadership to protect his man.

That's the area we are looking at.

kokaneprodigy:
It’s the challenge from the offside player that deemed it an offside offense.
For obvious reasons you are deliberately leaving that out.

Jencejyde:
Where is the racial stereotype in what I said, where did I mention he his a replacement for partey? Did you read my comments to even know what he context in which I supported Odegard from a player perspective?

That's why it's pointless having discussions with some of you. The argument was simply based on whether it was right for Odegard to point out Sambi the way he did or not and nothing more. Bring out something positive to support your own opinion in that regard,that's all.

Jodera:
If only he made contact with the defender, I would have agreed with you but I'm not seeing any contact. At least, that contact would have made that challenge valid.

Our differing opinion emanated from the fact that Rashford didn't touch the ball, thus not interfering with play while I argued otherwise. This same player didn't touch the ball too and if there's no contact with the defender, then he clearly should have been onside(as per your claim) whether challenge or not!!

TradingGod:
For God sake why will this useless racial stereotypes still persist in this era? :-/

Because Lokonga is a black midfielder means that automatically he is partey replacement?

Like WTF, they don't even play the same position yet we blame him for trying his best in a position that is alien to him just because he is black does not mean that he is a DMF like partey


Lokonga is more of Xhaka understudy than partey, that is why when Xhaka was playing partey role, we saw how useless he was in ghat position.


Abeg make una they add context before passing judgements, because this young man is trying his best in a position that even your great Xhaka flopped big time

And you guys forget that this young man rarely get a game time which is not normal for a player of that age and when he finally get the opportunity to play, he will be playing out of position just because he is a black midfielder


Being a black midfielder does not mean that he can play that DMF role effectively like Partey, Kante, Bissouma, Makelele, Essien etc.


Give him consistent game time in Xhaka role and watch him blossom into a start that he was destined to be


Abeg make una stop this useless racial sterotype because that young man is not a DMF but a CMF


So stop blamimg him for a role that is not his.

Even Odegard that is shouting like a market woman on heat, if he rarely get game time in his favored position and when he finally get the opportunity to play he is being played as a 9, tell me if odeggard output will not drop too

iamoyindamola:
You get time they reply that one sha

Jencejyde:
Well said on the are we are looking at and I'm glad you agree that issue of leadership is subjective.

Of course the manager will want to douse the tension which is right but then again from a player perspective, on that pitch during a game pdegard in my opinion did nothing wrong.

Of course I can relate to the troubles of Xhaka in the past and that's why I said that the onus is on how the player now reacts to the challenges . Xhaka has reacted wonderful with performances on the pitch and I expect and hope that sambi does the same.

See title winning teams are not based on emotions or baby carrying players. It's based on tough mentality to thrive in good and bad times.

This little issue as I see it may be just a trying time for a sambi who by the way is 23 , but it's now up to him to rise above this for his own sake and that of the team, there is nothing more to be said after this.

Spy360:
Like I said before I am not really into how Lokonga should react, rather I am interested in how Odegaard handled the lad. Note I said the lad and not the issue. You cannot beat a child and still show the child how to cry. You see, in leadership you deal with the issues but you handle the individual.

I cited the case of Xhaka too. But we know that if not Arteta's handling, Xhaka won't be here today and we (probably no one) would know how good he can be as we know today.

If every player barks like Odegaard I don't think the team will be as united and strong as they are now. It's a lesson to learn. I also believe that being a good leader himself Odegaard will ensure that the boy is taken care of.

Shegzdave:
Hope all is well sir?

Spy360:
Like I said before I am not really into how Lokonga should react, rather I am interested in how Odegaard handled the lad. Note I said the lad and not the issue. You cannot beat a child and still show the child how to cry. You see, in leadership you deal with the issues but you handle the individual.

I cited the case of Xhaka too. But we know that if not Arteta's handling, Xhaka won't be here today and we (probably no one) would know how good he can be as we know today.

If every player barks like Odegaard I don't think the team will be as united and strong as they are now. It's a lesson to learn. I also believe that being a good leader himself Odegaard will ensure that the boy is taken care of.

Jodera:
Kokaneprodigy, This is pictures not videos, so it won't capture my point I've been insistent on...

My main point is that

1... the pass being made to the offside players(in this case Man u and Sevilla)

2.. how they(the offside players) made the play active by chasing the ball

3... How they stopped at the last minute for their teammate(who's onside) to receive the ball without they(the offside players) touching the ball

These 3 scenerios was what happened in both games. You've talked about contact by Sevilla player on the Cadiz player which is valid(if true). But I'm not seeing any contact at all instead the Cadiz player slipped

Lush100:
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Odegard suppose.shout na.
That was the moment .
He's human too na.
He can then meet the guy later and apologize.
You think it's easy to stay at the top.
The whole team is trying to be at the top and remain there.
Any defeat at any time will psychologically affect the whole team.
With teams believing they can beat arsenal.
Xhaka was criticized openly by the fans.
It's left for the manager to know how to get the best of him behind closed doors.
After all those who criticized him will praise him openly too when he is playing well Like Xhaka now.
Nothing stops Odegard from apologizing openly too.
This will.be different of it's a senior player involved.
That one is left for the manager not captain

Spy360:
Like I said in the case of the Man United goal, Akanji didn't make a case for himself by aiming at the ball. Here the Cadiz defender made the ref feel he was impeded by going down on the challenge by the Sevilla attacker.

This is football and not a philosophy class. Some players go down under minimal challenge and earn penalty while some stand their ground even under strong challenge and get nothing.

Make a case.

Spy360:
If he has to apologize it means he does not need to take that action in the first place.

Like I said, open critisicm is not a bad thing but know who and how you do so, so that you don't damage the individual beyond repair. If that was directed to someone like Saka, I wouldn't mind. But knowing how heavily criticised Lokonga has come these days, doing that can damage his confidence and set him back miles away.

Imagine that your mother is correcting your wife about how bad the food tast6e, and you put mouth saying that she doesn't even know how to boil rice. How do you think you wife will feel about you?

johnjunior39:
Swears bro, I honestly feel like Xhaka didn't see that scene very well, lol.

Remember the game against Spurs last year?

See forget it, it was irritating to see and I will not fault Odegaard. You cant pamper someone forever now

kokaneprodigy:
If you explain to them from now till tomorrow they are hell bent on the agenda they want to propagate.

Since the United match every offside call is similar to that of United according to Sod and Jodera.

I don’t give a fck about United but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be rational .

Roland17:
I don’t think our fellow gooners understand our perspective. They all make great points but are absolutely missing the most important piece. It’s all about debates and I hope we can all learn from it but a person without a good sense of awareness and emotional intelligence is not a leader.

Roland17:
I don’t think our fellow gooners understand our perspective. They all make great points but are absolutely missing the most important piece. It’s all about debates and I hope we can all learn from it but a person without a good sense of awareness and emotional intelligence is not a leader.

Spy360:
You see, subjective feeling towards someone can cloud judgement. But there's a reason Arteta came and spoke defensively on him. It's the manager that sees what a player is worth.

People don't like Lokonga, but as someone mentioned here, he is just as Xhaka a couple of years back. Constantly played out of position and yet under heavy criticism.

Lokonga when on the ball was brilliant for all I saw on Friday. His errors were mostly when off the ball. These are things that can be learnt and developed with time and chance.

When someone is making such sacrifices and yet come under heavy criticism it's hard to take especially when it's from the leader. I know Xhaka will not do what Odegaard did knowing firsthand himself how it feels.

A child spills his milk and still gets a beating for it. Should he cry for the spilled milk or for the beating? How will you know his reason for crying if you meet him? The person that beat him have spoiled every chance of getting to know.

johnjunior39:
Xhaka came out publicly to accuse his fellow players of not doing enough and don't have fighting spirit last season, bros that is an entire team.

Again, I am not one to criticize Lokonga generally but after watching that clip , he was uninterested and that my dear friend cannot be overlooked bro. Let us not be giving he is not loved kor kor kor talk abeg.

Shey they should buy cradle till when he want to wake up from slumber.

How on earth do you ball watch who is in a dangerous position and be moving back?

I was actually watching Danilo for Notheingham Forest doing same thing and I was saying thank God.

Now look at it this way, Do you ever think that even him playing a DM position sometimes is do his own good?

Omo, we cant baby lokonga forever

Spy360:
Like I said before I am not really into how Lokonga should react, rather I am interested in how Odegaard handled the lad. Note I said the lad and not the issue. You cannot beat a child and still show the child how to cry. You see, in leadership you deal with the issues but you handle the individual.

I cited the case of Xhaka too. But we know that if not Arteta's handling, Xhaka won't be here today and we (probably no one) would know how good he can be as we know today.

If every player barks like Odegaard I don't think the team will be as united and strong as they are now. It's a lesson to learn. I also believe that being a good leader himself Odegaard will ensure that the boy is taken care of.

iamoyindamola:

Spy360:
If he has to apologize it means he does not need to take that action in the first place.

Like I said, open critisicm is not a bad thing but know who and how you do so, so that you don't damage the individual beyond repair. If that was directed to someone like Saka, I wouldn't mind. But knowing how heavily criticised Lokonga has come these days, doing that can damage his confidence and set him back miles away.

Imagine that your mother is correcting your wife about how bad the food tast6e, and you put mouth saying that she doesn't even know how to boil rice. How do you think you wife will feel about you?

johnjunior39:
So you will use a moment of emotional outburst to judge an individual ?

Tell me, Someone here stated about a particular match Saliba exposed his flaws that led to an own goal and this Captain went to cheer him up.

I don't even join league of those who criticize Lokonga because I believe he is not a DM but Arsenal of late defend together same way the attack and for crying out loud , he was ball watching when even hassling city players would have made a difference.

Dude don't judge persons from afar , human is human.

Jesus Christ gave it all out to people who were selling at the synanagoge then, does that make him less of a leader?

And no one should even compare Xhaka and Lokonga situation the are not same.

I think you and @spy are the ones looking at the whole event from a biased angle. Whether Martin is a good Captain plus another issue entirely but in that scene, bro I can't fault him

Spy360:
@Jencejyde

Ok let's leave Odegaard aside and look at Lokonga's reaction. Walking away from the pitch without waving to the fans.

How do you see it?