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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:13pm On Feb 04, 2023

sagenaija:
The level of comprehension of you guys is well known. It's easier for you guys to regurgitate what your Governing Board says than look at a simple passage and explain it.

When you make a statement such as the highlighted it simply exposes your level of cognition.

Again, if you guys can add what you will to the Bible and adjust whatever portion of it to suit your dogma, what else can you not do?

The Bible CLEARLY says the throne was set in heaven. But you now have a better understanding than the rest of us. So, you're now telling us that "context doesn't count" but what we should see is "rather overview of the Bible's message".

Please clap for yourself, wonderful Bible scholar.
Janosky your brother should also clap for you.

Ọmọ the highlighted really amuses me because i wasn't born a JW rather i accepted the overview of Bible's message which is the truth instead of picking a portion like you churchgoers will do then each of you just pick a sect that suit your thinking.
NO! I formerly believe that all good people will go to heaven until JWs proved to me that God's purpose in the beginning is everlasting life on planet earth. I agreed because God will not trash His purpose for the error of mankind His purpose must stand! Isaiah 55:11
So if Jesus now promised humans life in heaven that must be a new arrangement and Jesus himself explained that beneficiaries will become spirit beings like angels which makes perfect sense since flesh and blood doesn't live in heaven.
So stop calling it my dogma rather it's the truth that none of you can dispute as you're only arguing blindly just to prove you have a point whereas you can't explain further how humans are going to live in the land of spirits without being spirits (angels) wink

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 11:49pm On Feb 04, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the highlighted really amuses me because i wasn't born a JW rather i accepted the overview of Bible's message which is the truth instead of picking a portion like you churchgoers will do then each of you just pick a sect that suit your thinking.
NO! I formerly believe that all good people will go to heaven until JWs proved to me that God's purpose in the beginning is everlasting life on planet earth. I agreed because God will not trash His purpose for the error of mankind His purpose must stand! Isaiah 55:11
So if Jesus now promised humans life in heaven that must be a new arrangement and Jesus himself explained that beneficiaries will become spirit beings like angels which makes perfect sense since flesh and blood doesn't live in heaven.
So stop calling it my dogma rather it's the truth that none of you can dispute as you're only arguing blindly just to prove you have a point whereas you can't explain further how humans are going to live in the land of spirits without being spirits (angels)

Is it so difficult for you guys to understand simple sentences?

When I say "your" dogma I don't mean you as a person. I mean you collectively. I hope you understand this time around. If not, you may have to return to the basic English language.

Now, AS USUAL, you're again trying to muddle up things. The question I asked Janosky which neither he nor you have answered is - When did the throne that the Bible CLEARLY says is set up in heaven according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth in Rev. 7?

NB: All the angels, the elders, and the four living beings were also there in Rev. 7.

But just simply answer the question before you veer off to some region unknown. We are waiting.

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:55am On Feb 05, 2023

sagenaija:
Is it so difficult for you guys to understand simple sentences?

When I say "your" dogma I don't mean you as a person. I mean you collectively. I hope you understand this time around. If not, you may have to return to the basic English language.

Now, AS USUAL, you're again trying to muddle up things. The question I asked Janosky which neither he nor you have answered is - When did the throne that the Bible CLEARLY says is set up in heaven according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth in Rev. 7?

NB: All the angels, the elders, and the four living beings were also there in Rev. 7.

But just simply answer the question before you veer off to some region unknown. We are waiting.

The funny way you arrogantly deceive yourself has continued to amaze me walahi talahi!

The two highlighted had spoken in volumes are you now ready to name the religion in which you're a member?

Because i told you "i wasn't born a JW" i was preached to and after being convinced i joined the global family of peace loving worshipers preaching and teaching within my neighbourhood what i was taught so if you refer to the global family as YOU (collectively) it makes sense but with which group are you convinced that you understood the passage in question so that you can now say "we are waiting"? grin

This is very very important because the JWs claimed they understood the passage based on their doctrines that some of their members are now with Jesus in heaven feeding their earthly members and what is their evidence? Jesus foretold they are like one family even though the dead ones who are born again (little flock) among them are in heaven {Luke 12:32} while the greater number are on planet earth they're serving their God unitedly as one flock under one shepherd {John 10:16} having the same line of thought globally! John 17:22

Please tell me (not us) the name of that group with which you have the same line of thought regarding sacred secrets found in God's word so that by observing the fruitage of such a group {Matthew 7:16-18} i may have a second thought regarding the interpretation of the JWs?

Ọmọ time is running out, this is the time to get your lamp fueled otherwise darkness is coming when billions will trash their faith due to the impending great tribulation, arguing blindly just because you're seeing faithless miscreants around you criticizing God's organization won't help you!

God's throne in that context simply means God's PRESENCE but if you want to dispute it present a group that's unitedly doing God's will just as Jesus foretold {John 17 20-23} because in the absence of that ọmọ Satan has blinded your mind along with those arguing against God's organization o! 2Corinthians 4:4

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 6:21pm On Feb 05, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
The funny way you arrogantly deceive yourself has continued to amaze me walahi talahi!

The two highlighted had spoken in volumes are you now ready to name the religion in which you're a member?

Because i told you "i wasn't born a JW" i was preached to and after being convinced i joined the global family of peace loving worshipers preaching and teaching within my neighbourhood what i was taught so if you refer to the global family as YOU (collectively) it makes sense but with which group are you convinced that you understood the passage in question so that you can now say "we are waiting"?

This is very very important because the JWs claimed they understood the passage based on their doctrines that some of their members are now with Jesus in heaven feeding their earthly members and what is their evidence? Jesus foretold they are like one family even though the dead ones who are born again (little flock) among them are in heaven {Luke 12:32} while the greater number are on planet earth they're serving their God unitedly as one flock under one shepherd {John 10:16} having the same line of thought globally! John 17:22

Please tell me (not us) the name of that group with which you have the same line of thought regarding sacred secrets found in God's word so that by observing the fruitage of such a group {Matthew 7:16-18} i may have a second thought regarding the interpretation of the JWs?

Ọmọ time is running out, this is the time to get your lamp fueled otherwise darkness is coming when billions will trash their faith due to the impending great tribulation, arguing blindly just because you're seeing faithless miscreants around you criticizing God's organization won't help you!

God's throne in that context simply means God's PRESENCE but if you want to dispute it present a group that's unitedly doing God's will just as Jesus foretold {John 17 20-23} because in the absence of that ọmọ Satan has blinded your mind along with those arguing against God's organizeation o! 2Corinthians 4:4

Wait a minute!
Is it you who just mentioned the word "context"? Did you just write " God's throne in that context simply means God's PRESENCE....." So when you write context matters but when it's someone else, you query context.

From you saying a while ago that "context doesn't count rather overview of the Bible's message...." to now talk in the quote I put up above about context shows that you can do anything simply to try to win an argument. What a pity!

Anyhow, the Bible says that the throne was set in heaven. If you choose to be blind to this fact the choice is yours.

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:48pm On Feb 05, 2023

sagenaija:
Wait a minute!
Is it you who just mentioned the word "context"? Did you just write " God's throne in that context simply means God's PRESENCE....." So when you write context matters but when it's someone else, you query context.

From you saying a while ago that "context doesn't count rather overview of the Bible's message...." to now talk in the quote I put up above about context shows that you can do anything simply to try to win an argument. What a pity!

Anyhow, the Bible says that the throne was set in heaven. If you choose to be blind to this fact the choice is yours.

Ọmọ God's throne is in heaven but flesh and blood doesn't go to heaven so in that context where the great crowd is standing is God's presence not heaven!

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 8:57pm On Feb 05, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ God's throne is in heaven but flesh and blood doesn't go to heaven so in that context where the great crowd is standing is God's presence not heaven!

Remember, we are talking about a particular portion of the Bible. We are not fantasizing.

I know that you guys have been fed with a lot of FANTASY stories enhanced by the beautiful drawings they give you in your magazines. But the true reality is what the Bible presents not the imagination of humans transposed on the Bible.

What do you make of this Revelation portion?
Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
Revelation 11:12

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:12pm On Feb 05, 2023

Ọmọ go and preach what you think you know to your neighbours we already have our own teachings just as you've confirmed and it's never going to tally with your thinking.
So whatever you make up of Bible verses go out there and teach whoever is ready to listen to you, we have our own students learning from us.
Ire o!

sagenaija:
Remember, we are talking about a particular portion of the Bible. We are not fantasizing.
I know that you guys have been fed with a lot of FANTASY stories enhanced by the beautiful drawings they give you in your magazines. But the true reality is what the Bible presents not the imagination of humans transposed on the Bible.What do you make of this Revelation portion? Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on. Revelation 11:12

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by sagenaija: 2:33am On Feb 06, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ go and preach what you think you know to your neighbours we already have our own teachings just as you've confirmed and it's never going to tally with your thinking.
So whatever you make up of Bible verses go out there and teach whoever is ready to listen to you, we have our own students learning from us.
Ire o!

Lol! When you're caught in your own trap you run. Maybe you need to consult your GB before you can answer that my last question in particular.

At the end of the day it is clear that the Bible really means nothing to you guys. Only your made-up fantasy stories matter.

Cheers.

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by oteneaaron(m): 6:29am On Feb 06, 2023

Wow

This thread has come a long way.

Sagenaija and TenQ, I would like to congratulate both of you for keeping to the conversation, even in the face of consistent beating around the bush and name-calling by the opposing parties.

It quite interesting how many of the core doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses fall short when explored through the lens of contextual examination.

Noun

context

1. The surroundings, circumstances, environment, background or settings that determine, specify, or clarify the meaning of an event or other occurrence.

2. (linguistics) The text in which a word or passage appears and which helps ascertain its meaning.

3. (archaeology) The surroundings and environment in which an artifact is found and which may provide important clues about the artifact's function and/or cultural meaning.

4. (mycology) The trama or flesh of a mushroom.

5. (logic) For a formula: a finite set of variables, which set contains all the free variables in the given formula

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47am On Feb 06, 2023

sagenaija:
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Lol! When you're caught in your own trap you run. Maybe you need to consult your GB before you can answer that my last question in particular. At the end of the day it is clear that the Bible really means nothing to you guys. Only your made-up fantasy stories matter.
Cheers.

Go gather people in your neighbourhood and teach them what you think you know! cheesy

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 7:03am On Feb 06, 2023

oteneaaron:
Wow

This thread has come a long way.

Sagenaija and TenQ, I would like to congratulate both of you for keeping to the conversation, even in the face of consistent beating around the bush and name-calling by the opposing parties.

It quite interesting how many of the core doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses fall short when explored through the lens of contextual examination.

Noun

context

1. The surroundings, circumstances, environment, background or settings that determine, specify, or clarify the meaning of an event or other occurrence.

2. (linguistics) The text in which a word or passage appears and which helps ascertain its meaning.

3. (archaeology) The surroundings and environment in which an artifact is found and which may provide important clues about the artifact's function and/or cultural meaning.

4. (mycology) The trama or flesh of a mushroom.

5. (logic) For a formula: a finite set of variables, which set contains all the free variables in the given formula

Thanks bro!
It is true that satan blinds his own so that even though they read, their hearts remain seared as with hot iron.

As we share the truth of God's word, we pray for grace also for them that they will receive freedom from their handcuffs!

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:19am On Feb 06, 2023

TenQ:
Thanks bro!
It is true that satan blinds his own so that even though they read, their hearts remain seared as with hot iron.

As we share the truth of God's word, we pray for grace also for them that they will receive freedom from their handcuffs!

May JEHOVAH be praised!

This is what i've been telling you, if with all this argument you can't present a group with which you agree on terms and conditions of worship just as Jesus foretold then you're simply deceiving yourself. Luke 11:23

This is what your Bro typed about those putting faith in Christ Jesus:

oteneaaron:
"The very thing which is now called the Christian religion existed among the ancients also, nor was it wanting from the inception of the human race until the coming of Christ in the flesh, at which point the true religion, which was already in existence, began to be called Christian."

– ST. AUGUSTINE, Retractiones

To aid in our research of the historicity of Jesus and the true origins of Christianity, Sonmvayina and myself are undertaking a study of this thought provoking book - The Pagan Christ written by Tom Hapur.

This is going to be interesting journey as we will share our thoughts from each chapter.

Feel free to join us by taking the time to read through the book yourself.

Knowlege is power.

CC: Sonmvayina

So preach to him first, convince him that Jesus is Lord before coming to argue with God's united family over what we believe as One! John 17:2 wink

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by oteneaaron(m): 7:28am On Feb 06, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
May JEHOVAH be praised!

This is what i've been telling you, if with all this argument you can't present a group with which you agree on terms and conditions of worship just as Jesus foretold then you're simply deceiving yourself. Luke 11:23

This is what your Bro typed about those putting faith in Christ Jesus:

So preach to him first, convince him that Jesus is Lord before coming to argue with God's united family over what we believe as One! John 17:2

Hahahahaha

Are you surprised he called me his brother?

Unlike you who had said many times that the rest of humanity are only "neighbors" to you, he understands the single truth that - we are all one - no matter your religion or belief system - we are all brothers and sisters with one common ancestor.

See how religious indoctrination has turned you into a fanatic.

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:29am On Feb 06, 2023

TenQ:
Thanks bro!
It is true that satan blinds his own so that even though they read, their hearts remain seared as with hot iron.

As we share the truth of God's word, we pray for grace also for them that they will receive freedom from their handcuffs!

oteneaaron:
Wow

This thread has come a long way.

Sagenaija and TenQ, I would like to congratulate both of you for keeping to the conversation, even in the face of consistent beating around the bush and name-calling by the opposing parties.

It quite interesting how many of the core doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses fall short when explored through the lens of contextual examination.

Noun

context

1. The surroundings, circumstances, environment, background or settings that determine, specify, or clarify the meaning of an event or other occurrence.

2. (linguistics) The text in which a word or passage appears and which helps ascertain its meaning.

3. (archaeology) The surroundings and environment in which an artifact is found and which may provide important clues about the artifact's function and/or cultural meaning.

4. (mycology) The trama or flesh of a mushroom.

5. (logic) For a formula: a finite set of variables, which set contains all the free variables in the given formula

Mr Courz (Oteneaaron) alias "I Worship Myself"

Do you agree with what your bro typed up there? cheesy

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:31am On Feb 06, 2023

oteneaaron:
Hahahahaha
Are you surprised he called me his brother?
Unlike you who had said many times that the rest of humanity are only "neighbors" to you, he understands the single truth that - we are all one - no matter your religion or belief system - we are all brothers and sisters with one common ancestor.
See how religious indoctrination has turned you into a fanatic.

Hen try to AGREE with your brother nah! cheesy

Apart from criticizing God's organization do you agree with him that he's not a PAGAN? cheesy

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by oteneaaron(m): 7:40am On Feb 06, 2023*

TenQ:
Thanks bro!

It is true that satan blinds his own so that even though they read, their hearts remain seared as with hot iron.

As we share the truth of God's word, we pray for grace also for them that they will receive freedom from their handcuffs!

Thanks bro.

That is what religious indoctrination does to the mind.

Only independent critical thinking will help him and his cohorts.

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by oteneaaron(m): 7:47am On Feb 06, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Hen try to AGREE with your brother nah!

Apart from criticizing God's organization do you agree with him that he's not a PAGAN?

"God" is just a title - be specific on which "God" you speak about.

Yes, I am criticizing the organization of Jehovah Witnesses - an organization that is guiltly of spread false prophecies.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses -

1. Armageddon will happen 1914 - a failed prophecy

2. Abraham, Jacob and other patriarch will come back to life in 1925 - it never happened

3. Armageddon will happen 1975 - a failed prophecy.

I can go on and on.

Also, why are you calling him a Pagan?

Kindly explain.

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 8:53am On Feb 06, 2023

oteneaaron:
Thanks bro.

That is what religious indoctrination does to the mind.

Only indepent critical thinking will help him and his cohorts.

I perfectly agree with you.
Have a beautifully productive day in Jesus name

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 8:57am On Feb 06, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
May JEHOVAH be praised!

This is what i've been telling you, if with all this argument you can't present a group with which you agree on terms and conditions of worship just as Jesus foretold then you're simply deceiving yourself. Luke 11:23

This is what your Bro typed about those putting faith in Christ Jesus:

So preach to him first, convince him that Jesus is Lord before coming to argue with God's united family over what we believe as One! John 17:2

A satanic group that twists the words of Christ have no iota of respect from me. Your self importance as a group is like a mad man admiring his dirty tatared clothes and calling it bespoke designer.

Dou you think a mad man know that he is mad and others are sane ? Such is your case and the case of your group

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:22am On Feb 06, 2023

To your brother who strongly believe Jesus never existed! cheesy

TenQ:
I perfectly agree with you.
Have a beautifully productive day in Jesus name

Why do you people love deceiving yourselves like this? cheesy

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 9:25am On Feb 06, 2023

MaxInDHouse:

To your brother who strongly believe Jesus never existed!

Why do you people love deceiving yourselves like this?

Mr Maximus, have a beautifully productive day in Jesus name!

...Freely you were given, freely give!

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:06am On Feb 06, 2023

Continue deceiving yourself! cheesy

TenQ:
Mr Maximus, have a beautifully productive day in Jesus name!
...Freely you were given, freely give!

After arguing blindly for weeks on letters that you don't know it's interpretation you ended up calling an atheist your brother then pray for your faithless brother in Jesus name!

TenQ:
I perfectly agree with you.
Have a beautifully productive day in Jesus name

Even Jesus refused to pray for those who don't believe in him:

"For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world" John 17:8-9 compare to Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

You miscreants won't cease to amuse me! cheesy

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 10:14am On Feb 06, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

After arguing blindly for weeks on letters that you don't know it's interpretation you ended up calling an atheist your brother then pray for your faithless brother in Jesus name!

Even Jesus refused to pray for those who don't believe in him:

"For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world" John 17:8-9 compare to Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

You miscreants won't cease to amuse me!

Don't mind them with their GIBBERISH deceiving themselves.

Jesus gospel of the new heaven and new earth no reach their hearts.

ALL of them wan go heaven as if na jamboree.

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Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 10:17am On Feb 06, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

After arguing blindly for weeks on letters that you don't know it's interpretation you ended up calling an atheist your brother then pray for your faithless brother in Jesus name!

Even Jesus refused to pray for those who don't believe in him:

"For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world" John 17:8-9 compare to Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

You miscreants won't cease to amuse me!

For God so loved the WORLD....

And even if you dislike it, you are my neighbour.

Finally,
..go into all the world... preach...

Can you see how mistaken you are

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 10:19am On Feb 06, 2023

TenQ:
And the Deceived feel it means literal tears where God will use a white holy handkerchief to rub their eyes!?

When Satan succeeds over a person, he drags his intelligence and comprehension down to sub zero

Shame on you illiterate

When Jesus raised the widow's only son and raised Lazarus from the dead, were the tears wiped away from the widow's eyes as well as Martha's eyes?

Resurrection of the dead wipes away pain, mourning and tears arising from pain.
Ignoramus get out of here jare.

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 10:25am On Feb 06, 2023

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ who left this planet fully clothed in human flesh is a spirit?

2. When was Mount zion relocated to Heaven?

1. 1 Corinthians 15:45 New Living Translation
The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit"

2.
Oga, flesh and blood can not inherit where?
In like manner,Spirits can not inherit where?

Please use your God given brain aided by the holy scriptures.

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:27am On Feb 06, 2023

Janosky:
Don't mind them with their GIBBERISH deceiving themselves.
Jesus gospel of the new heaven and new earth no reach their hearts.
ALL of them wan go heaven as if na jamboree.

My brother, that's not what really baffles me now after all this is not the first time humans will be dreaming of what is not possible but the idea of PRAYING in Jesus name in behalf of someone who is ever poised to debunk Jesus Christ! embarassed

Ọmọ Jesus really knew so much about this faithless generation of miscreants o!

“With whom, therefore, should I compare the men of this generation, and whom are they like? They are like young children sitting in a marketplace and calling out to one another, saying: ‘We played the flute for you, but you did not dance; we wailed, but you did not weep.’ Likewise, John the Baptist has come neither eating bread nor drinking wine, but you say: ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of man has come eating and drinking, but you say: ‘Look! A man who is a glutton and is given to drinking wine, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ All the same, wisdom is proved righteous by all its children.” Luke 7:31-35

They can't agree on how to worship God even the doctrines about Jesus of Nazareth has led them to break into tens of thousands sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines and now the worst is happening:
He acknowledged a profound enemy of the Good News about Jesus as his brother and even praying for that one in Jesus name! embarassed

Ọmọ nah wa o!

I expected to see oteneaaron's response to his brother's prayer but he ran away, all he's after is how to criticize God's united family all others can say anything they like after all he has declared them pagans but as for JWs he is ever ready to go into arguments no matter how long it will take him! cheesy

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:31am On Feb 06, 2023

TenQ:
For God so loved the WORLD....
And even if you dislike it, you are my neighbour.
Finally,
..go into all the world... preach...
Can you see how mistaken you are

Of course i'm your neighbour no doubt about that but your brother?
No way!
It's faithless miscreants like oteneaaron that's your brother!

Ọmọ you don't have to go far oteneaaron is here and ready to chat with you as his BROTHER, oya preach your gospel to him nah! cheesy

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 10:34am On Feb 06, 2023

Janosky:
Shame on you illiterate

When Jesus raised the widow's only son and raised Lazarus from the dead, were the tears wiped away from the widow's eyes as well as Martha's eyes?

Resurrection of the dead wipes away pain, mourning and tears arising from pain.
Ignoramus get out of here jare.

From someone who said:

Janosky:
Will God wipe away tears where none exists?

Revelation 7:17 knocked out your GIBBERISH.

LOL!

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by TenQ: 10:36am On Feb 06, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Of course i'm your neighbour no doubt about that but your brother?
No way!
It's faithless miscreants like oteneaaron that's your brother!

Ọmọ you don't have to go far oteneaaron is here and ready to chat with you as his BROTHER, oya preach your gospel to him nah!

You complained that I prayed for someone in your opinion not worthy of it.
I prayed the same prayer for you and it is still a problem.

Maximus, what do you want?

Re: Is It Only 144000 people That Will Make Heaven? by Janosky: 11:25am On Feb 06, 2023*

sagenaija:
Disingenuous Janosky!

According to Rev. 4:2, where was the throne with the 24 elders? On earth or in heaven?

Is the location of the throne an issue here?
No.

sagenaija:
Chapter 7 verse 9 started with "After this....." In other words, after the events he had just narrated. And he went on to talk about the throne.

What is the last sentence of verse 8?
major word in verse 8 .....SEALED
Those sealed their inheritance is where?
Ephesians 1:13-14,Luke 22:30. Review 7:4,8.

Is the Multitude of verse 9 SEALED for heavenly life?
No!

sagenaija:
So, Janosky, when did the throne that John saw "set in heaven" according to Rev. 4:2 come down to earth?

Why are you desperate to TWIST my comments?
Did Janosky say the throne came down to earth?
No !

sagenaija:
Do you see where CONTEXT comes in again?

"STANDING BEFORE The Lamb"
"STANDING BEFORE The Father"... Same context.
Why?

The Lamb sits on the Father's throne, says Jesus Christ, Revelation 3:21, Luke 22:30.
The Lamb is with the Father in the same place- heaven.

Are the Multitudes sitting on the throne ?
No !

Are the Multitudes standing ROUND ABOUT the throne ?
No !

Revelation 7:11 Angels are standing ROUND ABOUT the throne.

Yes.
The angels are in heaven, same location of the Father with the Lamb.

ROUND ABOUT in Revelation 7:11, that is game changer. grin

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