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I love you guys.

See as only me dey face all of you. I answer all your questions but none of you can answer my questions.

You guys need to engage more people for assistance.

Roland17 and Obaigwe can you help them? Jencejyde what about you?

Spy360:
I love you guys.

See as only me dey face all of you. I answer all your questions but none of you can answer my questions.

You guys need to engage more people for assistance.

Roland17 and Obaigwe can you help them? Jencejyde what about you?

In an argument, if more than three people are opposing you, something must be wrong with your notion. Your notion may not totally be wrong but there is a defect.

Spy360:
If they are traps, it simply means there are information you are hiding because they will expose your argument.

Here is the answer your question. Nketiah is not as clinical for a main striker in a top club as Arsenal. He is not as clinical as the likes of Jesus, Haaland, Rashford, Kane etc. He will get better say by next season but he is not there yet. Ask me why he has a higher goals average than Jesus despite being less clinical.


Meanwhile, I have answered all your questions.

Go and answer my questions.

The bolded is exactly what you should have said since. Clinicality is why our strikers are not scoring, not because of stay in the box nonsense.

Akinbahm:
Sp.y is very good at twisting words and you’d lost completely during the argument.

We were all here when he said Balogun would break to into the squad before last year... baba change subject matter.

Now Jesus is losing chances because he’s not inside box to bury those chances (composure)... Nketia he used as a case study who’s more compose inside box is losing chances and baba is here twisting issues again.

What I could depict from their argument is Ego is strongly online.

Nothing wrong in admitting wrong during argument though. The subject of the matter was if staying in the box increase players' chance of scoring. He is now turning it to Jesus vs Nketiah argument.
As for that Balogun talk, I had to ignore.

Anyway... so long a time here Chief

This is only the third time this century that Liverpool have conceded five goals at Anfield

▪️January 2007: Liverpool 3-6 Arsenal
▪️October 2019: Liverpool 5-5 Arsenal
▪️February 2023: Liverpool 2-5 Real Madrid

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Make una no free spy press him neck if e break make him break we go glue am back

Spy360:
I love you guys.

See as only me dey face all of you. I answer all your questions but none of you can answer my questions.

You guys need to engage more people for assistance.

Roland17 and Obaigwe can you help them? Jencejyde what about you?

Boss. Na you be the Raumdeut3r of this thread

Camavinga no suppose pass 60m na

mostob:
The bolded is exactly what you should have said since. Clinicality is why our strikers are not scoring, not because of stay in the box nonsense.

From what I understand with Spy, using the word "clinicality or clinical" is an insult to top players

Let's say for example, if Haaland starts missing big chances in his last 4 matches and you say something like "Haaland has not been clinical of late, he needs to step up", Spy would see you as someone insulting Haaland as one shouldn't use clinical and Haaland together.


That's why he would ask you
Is Nketiah more clinical than GJ?, then still turn around to ask you again,
Does GJ miss more chances compared to Nketiah?


And he'll still believe he asked you two different questions

iamoyindamola:
This is only the third time this century that Liverpool have conceded five goals at Anfield

▪️January 2007: Liverpool 3-6 Arsenal
▪️October 2019: Liverpool 5-5 Arsenal
▪️February 2023: Liverpool 2-5 Real Madrid

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Our own na so so carabao cup we dey do am.

Why we no fit do am for league or UCL

iamoyindamola:
Camavinga no suppose pass 60m na

How much did Madrid sell old man Casemiro again?🤔🤔

You should know a maga when you see one

Jodera:
How much did Madrid sell old man Casemiro again?🤔🤔

Spy360:
I love you guys.

See as only me dey face all of you. I answer all your questions but none of you can answer my questions.

You guys need to engage more people for assistance.

Roland17 and Obaigwe can you help them? Jencejyde what about you?

Just enjoying the banter but also learning a thing or two.

mostob:
The bolded is exactly what you should have said since. Clinicality is why our strikers are not scoring, not because of stay in the box nonsense.

Good.

Since Nketiah has a higher goal/game average which of this is correct?

A. He is more clinical than Jesus.
B. He stays more in the box than Jesus.

This is a simple question.

mostob:
In an argument, if more than three people are opposing you, something must be wrong with your notion. Your notion may not totally be wrong but there is a defect.

Every notion has a defect that is why there is an argument. However it does not matter how many people opposes a view, what's rational is rational, what's logical is logical, what's sensible is sensible.

iamoyindamola:
You should know a maga when you see one

Valid talk tho

Jodera:
From what I understand with Spy, using the word "clinicality or clinical" is an insult to top players

Let's say for example, if Haaland starts missing big chances in his last 4 matches and you say something like "Haaland has not been clinical of late, he needs to step up", Spy would see you as someone insulting Haaland as one shouldn't use clinical and Haaland together.


That's why he would ask you
Is Nketiah more clinical than GJ?, then still turn around to ask you again,
Does GJ miss more chances compared to Nketiah?


And he'll still believe he asked you two different questions

You are close but not there yet.

Your mistake is that you use clinicality only to judge strikers performance.

But...

1. You find it hard to say that Nketiah is more clinical than Jesus, but find it easy to say Jesus misses more chances than Nketiah.

2. You find it hard to say Nketiah is more productive than Jesus, but find it easy to say he scores more goals than Jesus.

The fact is both are mutually exclusive.

It's like saying Everton beat Arsenal, therefore they are a better team.

When you are asked why, you cry Spy is setting trap for you. The truth is that the reason why Nketiah has a better average than Jesus is what is different in their styles of play. And that is Nketiah stays more in the box. Not that it is because Jesus is not clinical. If you have any other logical reason, I will be glad to hear it.

Spy360:
You are close but not there yet.

Your mistake is that you use clinicality only to judge strikers performance.

But...

1. You find it hard to say that Nketiah is more clinical than Jesus, but find it easy to say Jesus misses more chances than Nketiah.

2. You find it hard to say Nketiah is more productive than Jesus, but find it easy to say he scores more goals than Jesus.

The fact is both are mutually exclusive.

It's like saying Everton beat Arsenal, therefore they are a better team.

When you are asked why, you cry Spy is setting trap for you. The truth is that the reason why Nketiah has a better average than Jesus is what is different in their styles of play. And that is Nketiah stays more in the box. Not that it is because Jesus is not clinical. If you have any other logical reason, I will be glad to hear it.

There are many reasons why Nketiah scores more goals than Jesus this season and that's not because of any staying in the box ish you're brandishing about and one of the main reason is that he played against inferior opponents (compared to Jesus) In Europa and cup games.
Another thing I complained is that Jesus was making things complicated when it reaches to scoring.

If you said Nketiah scored 4 goals in his first 9 league starts, note also that Jesus scored at least 4 goals in his first 9 league starts too for arsenal, so you can't use that as points.
Mind you, you didn't complain about Jesus style of play and goalscoring issues until post Tottenham when his goal issue was getting evident. That's when you brought up your composure ish.(you started criticizing him around Southampton game)

There's a reason I'm dragging you now about Nketiah (your referenced striker) and why he's still missing clean goals cos he's following all the advice you gave to have your Composure so he ought not to miss big chances frequently.

Jodera:
There are many reasons why Nketiah scores more goals than Jesus this season and that's not because of any staying in the box ish you're brandishing about and one of the main reason is that he played against inferior opponents (compared to Jesus) In Europa and cup games.
Another thing I complained is that Jesus was making things complicated when it reaches to scoring.

If you said Nketiah scored 4 goals in his first 9 league starts, note also that Jesus scored at least 4 goals in his first 9 league starts too for arsenal, so you can't use that as points.
Mind you, you didn't complain about Jesus style of play and goalscoring issues until post Tottenham when his goal issue was getting evident. That's when you brought up your composure ish.(you started criticizing him around Southampton game)

There's a reason I'm dragging you now about Nketiah (your referenced striker) and why he's still missing clean goals cos he's following all the advice you gave to have your Composure so he ought not to miss big chances frequently.

I hate stats but if that's what will convince you then it's OK.

Spy360:
I hate stats but if that's what will convince you then it's OK.

if you know the right stats to follow and how to apply it with respect to watching matches(instead of just applying stats solely), you'll never ever hate stats!!

Jodera:
if you know the right stats to follow and how to apply it with respect to watching matches(instead of just applying stats solely), you'll never ever hate stats!!

The problem I have is people not knowing how to combine stats information to make informed decisions. For example, stats may say A has missed 10chances while B has missed 8. But people will not check the no of games/mins played to decide. They just take the stats at face value.

I prefer to use averages because they give a close up idea of what's going on.

Stats aren't perfect though especially for social behaviours.

Spy360:
The problem I have is people not knowing how to combine stats information to make informed decisions. For example, stats may say A has missed 10chances while B has missed 8. But people will not check the no of games/mins played to decide. They just take the stats at face value.

I prefer to use averages because they give a close up idea of what's going on.

Stats aren't perfect though especially for social behaviours.

Lol.... I never ever took stats at face value reason why I'm emphasizing on specific stats to buttress points (big chances missed (instead of just chances), xG et al).

Instead you're the one looking at face value that's why you'll say Nketiah have 9 goals without considering the opponent or competition played.

I once ask you this question once last year, how do we determine social behaviour(or composure)?

Nketiah missed 4 big chances in his last 4 matches. How do we know it's social behaviour (or composure) instead of just wrong decision making?

Jodera:
Lol.... I never ever took stats at face value reason why I'm emphasizing on specific stats to buttress points (big chances missed (instead of just chances), xG et al).

Instead you're the one looking at face value that's why you'll say Nketiah have 9 goals without considering the opponent or competition played.

I once ask you this question once last year, how do we determine social behaviour(or composure)?

Nketiah missed 4 big chances in his last 4 matches. How do we know it's social behaviour (or composure) instead of just wrong decision making?

Even when I mention goals I usually bring up averages. You can verify.

Jesus for example has more PL goals than Nketiah though he has done so in less games, but more starts, and more mins. In fact he has played almost twice as more mins per game than Nketiah.

So looking at it at face value can be deceptive. Because when you look at their xG it's very close. Meaning that Nketiah though his goals per mins is better, sees far more chances than Gabriel Jesus per game. He also misses more per game (or per mins played) [I used per mins because most of his game appearances were cameos judging from his mins per game ratio].

That's why I said Jesus is far from goal.

When you also look at their assist rate, Jesus completely dust him. In fact he he has more assists than goals. Meaning again that he doesn't stay in the box.

What you say?

Jodera:
Our own na so so carabao cup we dey do am.

Why we no fit do am for league or UCL

It is because nothing is at stake in EPL.

Spy360:
Good.

Since Nketiah has a higher goal/game average which of this is correct?

A. He is more clinical than Jesus.
B. He stays more in the box than Jesus.

This is a simple question.

You see why I said your questions are traps. Jesus has the better goal per game this season.
So much for not staying in the box.

Spy360:
Every notion has a defect that is why there is an argument. However it does not matter how many people opposes a view, what's rational is rational, what's logical is logical, what's sensible is sensible.

I agree. But when you failed to commit to your notion, your argument is no longer rational.

Spy360:
Even when I mention goals I usually bring up averages. You can verify.

Jesus for example has more PL goals than Nketiah though he has done so in less games, but more starts, and more mins. In fact he has played almost twice as more mins per game than Nketiah.

So looking at it at face value can be deceptive. Because when you look at their xG it's very close. Meaning that Nketiah though his goals per mins is better, sees far more chances than Gabriel Jesus per game. He also misses more per game (or per mins played) [I used per mins because most of his game appearances were cameos judging from his mins per game ratio].

That's why I said Jesus is far from goal.

When you also look at their assist rate, Jesus completely dust him. In fact he he has more assists than goals. Meaning again that he doesn't stay in the box.

What you say?

What it means is that your "composure" is really a farce because if really Nketiah is seeing more chances and missing more, then what composure are you really blaming Jesus that he's lacking for not scoring?

Let's look at your attributes of your composure that Nketiah rightly followed

*Nketiah hardly dribble per match(we all know this but I can prove it if you want)— meaning it's the work of our wingers especially and attacking midfielders

*Nketiah shot per game is less amongst our front 3 (2nd picture)—meaning acting smart to actually hit the right shot to score and being in the right frame of mind to score(as you put it)

* Nketiah hardly creates big chances per game(3rd picture)—meaning leaving chance creation for creators

*Even his heatmaps is more in the box than outside it(4th picture)— Meaning he's more into the box and doesn't involve in much buildups and interplay

Yet he has missed the most big chances almost equalling GJ big chances missed (first pix). As at Oct/Nov when I dropped this big chances missed stats, GJ was In 11 while the 2nd was Martinelli with 3. Now Nketiah who took over Jesus have now almost equalled it (meaning our team creates quality chances for both Gj and Nketiah)

So what really is that composure you were really driving at since last year that GJ is lacking that someone like Nketiah would have benefitted from?

mostob:
You see why I said your questions are traps. Jesus has the better goal per game this season.
So much for not staying in the box.

You are completely wrong. No need to argue. This one is perfectly measurable.

Jodera:
What it means is that your "composure" is really a farce because if really Nketiah is seeing more chances and missing more, then what composure are you really blaming Jesus that he's lacking for not scoring?

Let's look at your attributes of your composure that Nketiah rightly followed

*Nketiah hardly dribble per match(we all know this but I can prove it if you want)— meaning it's the work of our wingers especially and attacking midfielders

*Nketiah shot per game is less amongst our front 3 (2nd picture)—meaning acting smart to actually hit the right shot to score and being in the right frame of mind to score(as you put it)

* Nketiah hardly creates big chances per game(3rd picture)—meaning leaving chance creation for creators

*Even his heatmaps is more in the box than outside it(4th picture)— Meaning he's more into the box and doesn't involve in much buildups and interplay

Yet he has missed the most big chances almost equalling GJ big chances missed (first pix). As at Oct/Nov when I dropped this big chances missed stats, GJ was In 11 while the 2nd was Martinelli with 3. Now Nketiah who took over Jesus have now almost equalled it (meaning our team creates quality chances for both Gj and Nketiah)

So what really is that composure you were really driving at since last year that GJ is lacking that someone like Nketiah would have benefitted from?

I suggest you use total shots per mins played. This is because 12 of the 21games recorded for Nketiah were more like cameos.

Besides that I agree with everything you posted here. So what's your argument?

Use the same metrics to judge Jesus and see how they compare. If Nketiah was to be dropping deep like Jesus he will not even see 2goals. Remember you said that Nketiah converts his chances better than Jesus. You will need to explain this too.

Note that I have already explained that in the stats I posted. So you may do well to look at it.

Spy360:
You are completely wrong. No need to argue. This one is perfectly measurable.

Jesus played 14 games, scored 5 goals and 6 assists.
Nketiah played 21 games and scored 4.
Do your maths bro.

mostob:

Jesus played 14 games, scored 5 goals and 6 assists.
Nketiah played 21 games and scored 4.
Do your maths bro.

E be like say you want to learn how to turn amala. Just meet Jodera (or me ) for tutorial.

12 of those games he played less than 5mins

Spy360:
E be like say you want to learn how to turn amala. Just meet Jodera (or me ) for tutorial.

12 of those games he played less than 5mins

Goal per minute is different from Goal per game bro.
This is a basic fact for every football fans.
Back to your question, based on goal per minute, Nketiah is better.