₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
I agree with you on this totally, We have to realize some truths about our country. We are poor. 500M budget is poor for a state like Anambra
From the 500M by the time we remove recurring expenditure what is left

Nigeria is a poor country. Without money there is little you can implement, Now when you add insecurity to it makes it double difficult

We have low income and a very high disproportionate population. We are more densely populated than most Africa countries

Look at our neighboring countries and their standard of living. We are just fortunate that we have oil, A post oil economy, what will make out standard of living better than Benin Cameroun Togo or Niger Republic. Add our ballooning population to it

The total population of Africa is 1.2bn, Nigeria alone have 1/6 of that depending on what estimate you believe. And what resources will cater for them
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-08/angola-tops-nigeria-as-africa-s-biggest-oil-producer-in-august?leadSource=uverify%20wall
According to a report I saw. Angola, Algeria Libya and Nigeria are the top 4 oil producing nations in Africa. Libya has a population of 6M(Like population of Oyo state) Angola has 35M (Population of Lagos + Ogun + Oyo), Algeria has 44M (Like Population of the entire SW)

All things being perfect Say no corruption, no oil theft everyone well behaved, See the challenge of revenue to population. By the time we now introduce human factors that in everywhere in the world some more in Nigeria than elsewhere. Then we see that problem for what it is

You have captured it well enough.

It's just that whenever one tries to make this kind of point, it is easily misinterpreted to mean you are making excuses for the ruling Government so the point is usually quickly dismissed for emotional reasons.

Out of the 36 states in Nigeria, only Lagos has a budget above 1 billion dollars. Some Universities in Europe are actually dragging similar budgets with our states here. Omo, Nigeria poor. The sad part is that majority of the country's population strongly believe that the country is rich and that the political ruling class are the one stealing all the money. And I don't blame them it's the lie that desperate politicians have used to win votes.

That was how Buhari came in saying once corruption is defeated and all leakages are blocked, Nigeria's wealth will be judiciously used to turn the country into Germany. Baba came in and saw that to even do just Lagos-Ibadan expressway, he needed to borrow. Nigeria politicians make me laugh a lot though. Go and see campaign promises from state Governors candidates, some are even promising 150k minimum wage.

I wish everyone well anyway.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]My comment was on the value of $400k in Nigeria.

I no sabi if him wan stay alive or get personal car[/color]

That $400K is part of the cost of governance I doubt any state assembly will vote against what will keep the governor safe

A bulletproof car is standard for anyone in govt in a country like Nigeria

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You have said it all.

It can't even build bore hole sef.

You need 365 million to build one[/color]

Who vex you today sir?

Amigoss:
Who vex you today sir?

[color=royalblue]There are many public schools without desks and boards

It is even in Lagos that we have decent government hospitals. I am assuming 300 million can increase the supply of drugs to government owned hospitals by few months

Let us assume that we need a budget of New york to be able to make life habitable for its citizens.

We go dey alright finally[/color]

We needed access to the 36 States, but as a matter of urgency, we requested for 9 states. as of today, we have only been allowed access to 2 states, I am not impressed with INEC @inecnigeria

~Livy Uzoukwu SAN, Peter Obi's Lawyer



Like I said INEC will set this country on fire

izzou:
[color=royalblue]There are many public schools without desks and boards

It is even in Lagos that we have decent government hospitals. I am assuming 300 million can increase the supply of drugs to government owned hospitals by few months

Let us assume that we need a budget of New york to be able to make life habitable for its citizens.

We go dey alright finally[/color]

You are actually sort of making Dayo's point for him. The fact that buying a bulletproof car for the governor means students might not get desks and hospitals might not get drugs tells you the country is poor.

Remember that two truths can coexist. The country is poor. Our leaders are corrupt thieves. Those are two truths.

How many bullet proof cars do you need as a governor to keep you safe?

This is outside shifting the conversation from the value of 400k to the sudden importance of governors security.

300 million will sort out alot in a poor community.
From water to renovation in public schools.

Be like say people think say 300 million na small money😂

If we go through the entourage of yahaya bellow, I'm sure we will see atleast 4 bullet proof cars.

raumdeuter:
I agree with you on this totally, We have to realize some truths about our country. We are poor. 500M budget is poor for a state like Anambra
From the 500M by the time we remove recurring expenditure what is left

Nigeria is a poor country. Without money there is little you can implement, Now when you add insecurity to it makes it double difficult

We have low income and a very high disproportionate population. We are more densely populated than most Africa countries

Look at our neighboring countries and their standard of living. We are just fortunate that we have oil, A post oil economy, what will make out standard of living better than Benin Cameroun Togo or Niger Republic. Add our ballooning population to it

The total population of Africa is 1.2bn, Nigeria alone have 1/6 of that depending on what estimate you believe. And what resources will cater for them
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-08/angola-tops-nigeria-as-africa-s-biggest-oil-producer-in-august?leadSource=uverify%20wall
According to a report I saw. Angola, Algeria Libya and Nigeria are the top 4 oil producing nations in Africa. Libya has a population of 6M(Like population of Oyo state) Angola has 35M (Population of Lagos + Ogun + Oyo), Algeria has 44M (Like Population of the entire SW)

So if the entire SW enjoys all the Oil of Nigeria, we will be like Algeria or Angola (which aren't exactly better than 3rd world)

All things being perfect Say no corruption, no oil theft everyone well behaved, See the challenge of revenue to population. By the time we now introduce human factors that in everywhere in the world some more in Nigeria than elsewhere. Then we see that problem for what it is

Some depts in a state in US have times 5 the budget of the entire Nigeria

Dayo, if you say we are poor, which I may agree with, then why are we running an expansive government that is expensive and riddled with high recurring costs?

To Izzou's example, if you say we are poor, why is a State Governor purchasing a car worth N300M? How many of such irresponsible purchases is Kogi incurring, especially when you consider the State barely generates anything? If 1 car that he may not return to the State after his tenure costs N300M, then what is the cost of all the cars he alone is using? We are poor but we are operating an expensive government across the 3 levels like we are the United States? Using insecurity as an excuse doesn't make it any reasonable.

Kogi State is poor and doesn't generate enough to keep it alive but somehow, Bello's wife is wanted by EFCC for the misappropriation of N3Billion belonging to the people of Kogi...What gives? Are we really poor or are our leaders corrupts and use expansive government as an avenue to steal from the people?

liveLongNprospa:
How many bullet proof cars do you need as a governor to keep you safe?

This is outside shifting the conversation from the value of 400k to the sudden importance of governors security.

300 million will sort out alot in a poor community.
From water to renovation in public schools.

Be like say people think say 300 million na small money😂

This is on the State level. Do you know what is happening in the local government/ LCDAs around the country? Is Nigeria poor? I think a legitimate argument can be made for that, especially when you consider our population and GDP in comparison to other developing or poor countries. However, it begs the question as to why we run such an expansive style of government.

Roland17:
Dayo, if you say we are poor, which I may agree with, then why are we running an expansive government that is expensive and riddled with high recurring costs?

To Izzou's example, if you say we are poor, why is a State Governor purchasing a car worth N300M? How many of such irresponsible purchases is Kogi incurring, especially when you consider the State barely generates anything? If 1 car that he may not return to the State after his tenure costs N300M, then what is the cost of all the cars he alone is using? We are poor but we are operating an expensive government across the 3 levels like we are the United States? Using insecurity as an excuse doesn't make it any reasonable.

Kogi State is poor and doesn't generate enough to keep it alive but somehow, Bello's wife is wanted by EFCC for the misappropriation of N3Billion belonging to the people of Kogi...What gives? Are we really poor or are our leaders corrupts and use expansive government as an avenue to steal from the people?

We are running a US styled democracy which means we change govt 4 or 8yrs. Officials run for office after every term and there is a term limit

We decided that this is fair and better than what our fellow poor neighbors run otherwise we can have Paul Biya, Eyadema, Ghadaffi Mubarak styled democracy where one person rule for 20yrs and we don't waste money on elections and cost of governance

Other options include military or monarchy

US styled democracy is expensive

Roland17:
Dayo, if you say we are poor, which I may agree with, then why are we running an expansive government that is expensive and riddled with high recurring costs?

To Izzou's example, if you say we are poor, why is a State Governor purchasing a car worth N300M? How many of such irresponsible purchases is Kogi incurring, especially when you consider the State barely generates anything? If 1 car that he may not return to the State after his tenure costs N300M, then what is the cost of all the cars he alone is using? We are poor but we are operating an expensive government across the 3 levels like we are the United States? Using insecurity as an excuse doesn't make it any reasonable.

Kogi State is poor and doesn't generate enough to keep it alive but somehow, Bello's wife is wanted by EFCC for the misappropriation of N3Billion belonging to the people of Kogi...What gives? Are we really poor or are our leaders corrupts and use expansive government as an avenue to steal from the people?

[color=royalblue]Lol.

We are poor truly. Until the budget is that of Texas, we may not be able to achieve much.

Even that 3 billion can only impact a community. It won't do much in a local government, talk more of a state.
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Blueraydick, how did this happen?

Lagos PDP collapses structure for labor party?
Does this give labor party an upper hand here?

Roland17:
Dayo, if you say we are poor, which I may agree with, then why are we running an expansive government that is expensive and riddled with high recurring costs?

To Izzou's example, if you say we are poor, why is a State Governor purchasing a car worth N300M? How many of such irresponsible purchases is Kogi incurring, especially when you consider the State barely generates anything? If 1 car that he may not return to the State after his tenure costs N300M, then what is the cost of all the cars he alone is using? We are poor but we are operating an expensive government across the 3 levels like we are the United States? Using insecurity as an excuse doesn't make it any reasonable.

Kogi State is poor and doesn't generate enough to keep it alive but somehow, Bello's wife is wanted by EFCC for the misappropriation of N3Billion belonging to the people of Kogi...What gives? Are we really poor or are our leaders corrupts and use expansive government as an avenue to steal from the people?

Both are right. We are poor. A country of nearly 200m people whose budget is half that of a state of 6m people in Australia. Compare our budget, GDP, PCI, HDI or any other parameter you want to use to that of any country that is generally agreed to be prosperous.

The country is poor but the conscienceless leaders have been stealing the little that we have. While nearly everybody is suffering they are still stealing like we have money. Only 2 groups of people in Nigeria earn 1st world income, politicians and religious leaders.

Roland17:
This is on the State level. Do you know what is happening in the local government/ LCDAs around the country? Is Nigeria poor? I think a legitimate argument can be made for that, especially when you consider our population and GDP in comparison to other developing or poor countries. However, it begs the question as to why we run such an expansive style of government.

First I am confident that our population figures are lies that's for sure.
We have two issues and those issues are as a result of the 1st issue.

1st we have thieves who steal the country blind as leaders and they are very wasteful
2nd we are currently broke as a nation as a result of the 1st reason.


The amount of money that a governor steals from his state is unbelievable and yet there's still more to be stolen which shows there's money available after a period of time.

Omo the matter does my head in.
See the number of projects did in rivers with 200 billion in his last year before leaving office.
Now imagine if he actually uses just 600billion to face projects in rivers.
Our expectations are in hell for governor performance

GloriousGbola:
When you are handing over to a hostile successor, you lay minefields for them

This is why outgoing administrations do massive employment exercises. To make the newcomer unpopular if he reverses them

Removing fuel subsidy will always be controversial. It is what destroyed gejs goodwill.

Buhari could have

1)Killed the subsidy after the elections, taking the blame and the fallout

2)Left the decision to his successor to decide how to implement

Instead he has decided to kill the subsidy on the day he is handing over to Tinubu. that is a deliberate setup and a ploy to ensure he starts his administration with a fire to put out.

It should be clear to you that this is not a friendly continuum handover.

Buhari is simply giving obidients another reason for a nationwide protest against the evil and cruel apc govt of his successor

It's an APC policy, BAT said he'd remove fuel subsidy and no be today Buhari talk say e go remove fuel subsidy, he said so before the elections.

Omo but Obi grace really touch a lot of people oo.

No matter what happens in Lagos state, I think this rhodes-vivour guy's stock has risen tremendously in Lagos state.

I see him having an impact in Lagos politics moving forward.

liveLongNprospa:
MC Oluomo Don start again ooo

VIDEO: MC Oluomo threatens Igbo voters ahead of Lagos election, says: If you no won vote for us, sit down for house” pic.twitter.com/a9U89jTIeB

— Ogun Watch (@OgunwatchNG) March 16, 2023

Jide Sanwo-Olu will pretend he doesn't see these things🤣🤣

How does this guy get away with all these stuffs he is saying?

The funny thing is he is not even afraid of being recorded. Omo.

DontBullshitMe:
How does this guy get away with all these stuffs he is saying?

The funny thing is he is not even afraid of being recorded. Omo.

Lmao imagine this guy with FG backing🤣🤣🤣

afrodoc2:
Both are right. We are poor. A country of nearly 200m people whose budget is half that of a state of 6m people in Australia. Compare our budget, GDP, PCI, HDI or any other parameter you want to use to that of any country that is generally agreed to be prosperous.

The country is poor but the conscienceless leaders have been stealing the little that we have. While nearly everybody is suffering they are still stealing like we have money. Only 2 groups of people in Nigeria earn 1st world income, politicians and religious leaders.

We share similar school of thought regarding this issue because 2 truths can mutually exist. The country is poor and numerous parts of the country live in abject poverty, however, we have the resources and man power to improve our situation but our system and size of government is intentioned to promote and tolerate corruption.

larride:
Na APC SW criticize Buhari pass for the whole APC.

Yea, and the criticisms started pouring in exactly 6 months to the end of his tenure.

raumdeuter:
The budget for the entire Nigeria from FG is $45bn

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigerias-senate-approves-2023-budget-holds-back-decision-loan-bonds-swap-2022-12-28/

The budget for the Department of Health in the State of New York is $203bn

https://www.budget.ny.gov/pubs/archive/fy23/ex/agencies/appropdata/HealthDepartmentof.html#:~:text=The%20FY%202023%20Executive%20Budget,for%20remaining%20health%20program%20spending.

For clarity one dept in one state in America has almost 5 times the budget of the entire country

Population of New York state is about 21M that is about the said population of Lagos state while the entire Lagos state budget is $2.5bn

In comparison to our population, Nigeria is really doing badly.

That's why some very harsh decisions need to be taken.

larride:
Yes, let Tinubu remove it by himself so that if things go south, there will be no Buhari to blame it on as the one the that removed it.

So it's Buhari removing subsidy on the 30th of May that will prevent BAT from managing it abi?

If anything I think Buhari removing subsidy before he leaves is him doing BAT a solid, seeing as people would blame Buhari and not BAT like you guys are already doing.

TrebleChamp:
I honestly don't know where Peter Obi is getting his confidence of reclaiming his mandate from but i like it, it would indeed be the 100th wonder of the world knowing how useless and corrupt the Supreme Court Justices are..

What makes you think Nigeria's Supreme Court justices are useless and corrupt?

Can you list a few instances of their corruption and uselessness?

liveLongNprospa:
First I am confident that our population figures are lies that's for sure.
We have two issues and those issues are as a result of the 1st issue.

1st we have thieves who steal the country blind as leaders and they are very wasteful
2nd we are currently broke as a nation as a result of the 1st reason.


The amount of money that a governor steals from his state is unbelievable and yet there's still more to be stolen which shows there's money available after a period of time.

Omo the matter does my head in.
See the number of projects did in rivers with 200 billion in his last year before leaving office.
Now imagine if he actually uses just 600billion to face projects in rivers.
Our expectations are in hell for governor performance

By the time you start calculating all the high profile corruption, misappropriation and money laundry cases since 1999, you will begin to understand why Nigeria is in it's current state. These are the ones that were unearthed oh, how about the ones we don't know about or that succeeded without any traces? How about the billions of stolen funds that are intermittently remitted to Nigeria from foreign countries and banks? You can not use poverty as excuse to ruin the country.

liveLongNprospa:
This guy is a proper idiot.

After tweeting "yoruba think".
He does this🤣

They know why they're choosing to centre Igbo's in their politics...I just hope there won't be the sort of attacks that happened in Igbo-dominant areas after the elections.

GloriousGbola:
Dude I am the Jerrycan man.

How will i support price of petrol skyrocketing to n500 or more per litre? How will I maintain my 240 litres empire?


No put word in my mouth abeg

Fuel subsidy is a Gordian knot and nobody has the sword for it.

Tinubu sef just dey talk that one for the camera.

Small naira subsidy problem all your gold circle tear, what will happen if we have fuel subsidy issue?

Do you know how many businesses have switched to petrol gen because of diesel cost?

Buhari has imho done everything in his power to Fk Tinubu over. This is one of his parting gifts.

If I couldn't fk over your campaign, let me at least fk over your term

And how do you know this?

raumdeuter:
Not to sound insensitive, $400K is not really a lot. I know Naija guys here who drive cars of over 250K and they have more than 1 of these cars

We are complaining because the size of the cake is small that's why it touches us more.

400k dollars is nothing when it comes to the business of state building and governance.

That 400k dollars is not even remotely enough to pay a month salary for all the workers in a random teaching hospital in Nigeria.

But of course, for an individual, 400k dollars is a fuçking huge amount.

liveLongNprospa:
I have sha said it.. If fight breaks out in Lagos, you people will realize just having plenty numbers isn't how fights are won.

Take it from someone who saw how warri crisis played out😁

Igbo's are out-manned by a factor of like 4-1 and outgunned, don't want to imagine something like this happening. I trust our "most accommodating tribe" continue to tolerate the Igbo's and the rest of us classed as omo-Igbos.

liveLongNprospa:
MC Oluomo Don start again ooo

VIDEO: MC Oluomo threatens Igbo voters ahead of Lagos election, says: If you no won vote for us, sit down for house” pic.twitter.com/a9U89jTIeB

— Ogun Watch (@OgunwatchNG) March 16, 2023

Jide Sanwo-Olu will pretend he doesn't see these things🤣🤣

Notice how the likes of larride, Oasis and some of our esteemed abroadians just jump and passed this?

When I point it out now, it becomes that I'm being controversial by speaking about tribalism.

raumdeuter:
We are running a US styled democracy which means we change govt 4 or 8yrs. Officials run for office after every term and there is a term limit

We decided that this is fair and better than what our fellow poor neighbors run otherwise we can have Paul Biya, Eyadema, Ghadaffi Mubarak styled democracy where one person rule for 20yrs and we don't waste money on elections and cost of governance

Other options include military or monarchy

US styled democracy is expensive

Using the cost of governance again doesn't fly. There are numerous types of Democracy. Democracies are adapted to fit the dynamics of every country. All the countries you used as example practice a type of democratic government that suits their dynamics. The developing/ poor countries in Africa have adapted theirs to fit what they want. What we are doing in Nigeria is intentioned to promote corruption and that is why there is no desire to amend our constitution. For example, INEC were given over N300Billion to execute the elections but somehow, the same election is riddled with large scale operation and technological issues that the N300Billion. What gives?

Theflint1:
And how do you know this?

Subsidy is the third rail of Nigerian politics. Gej learnt that the hard way. Obj never went after subsidy fully, he just trimmed it. You will require a gigantic amount of social capital to cut subsidy without a large response.

As it is today, if Tinubu touches subsidy the obidients have an excuse to mobilise and create chaos. And they will take it. Buhari knows the game he is playinh