₦airaland Forum

DontBullshitMe:
In comparison to our population, Nigeria is really doing badly.

That's why some very harsh decisions need to be taken.

Let's start with a state like Anambra how much of the $500m will go to recurring expenses how much

When you say harsh decisions like what? And how will the populace react to it? In 4yrs Soludo is up for re election and the opponent will be promising what he knows is not feasible

On campaign trail we will be hearing that there's no reason Anambra cannot be paying 100k minimum wage and every living soul in Anambra 40k per month

He knows this is not possible

But because of the style of governance we adopted we have to deal with this every 4yrs while also budgeting for expensive electioneering every 4yrs

It's either we increase the size of the cake or little will change even if Barack Obama becomes president

The oil we depend on majorly sef, the moment international prices shake we don enter yawa

raumdeuter:
I agree with you on this totally, We have to realize some truths about our country. We are poor. 500M budget is poor for a state like Anambra
From the 500M by the time we remove recurring expenditure what is left

Nigeria is a poor country. Without money there is little you can implement, Now when you add insecurity to it makes it double difficult

We have low income and a very high disproportionate population. We are more densely populated than most Africa countries

Look at our neighboring countries and their standard of living. We are just fortunate that we have oil, A post oil economy, what will make out standard of living better than Benin Cameroun Togo or Niger Republic. Add our ballooning population to it

The total population of Africa is 1.2bn, Nigeria alone have 1/6 of that depending on what estimate you believe. And what resources will cater for them
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-08/angola-tops-nigeria-as-africa-s-biggest-oil-producer-in-august?leadSource=uverify%20wall
According to a report I saw. Angola, Algeria Libya and Nigeria are the top 4 oil producing nations in Africa. Libya has a population of 6M(Like population of Oyo state) Angola has 35M (Population of Lagos + Ogun + Oyo), Algeria has 44M (Like Population of the entire SW)

So if the entire SW enjoys all the Oil of Nigeria, we will be like Algeria or Angola (which aren't exactly better than 3rd world)

All things being perfect Say no corruption, no oil theft everyone well behaved, See the challenge of revenue to population. By the time we now introduce human factors that in everywhere in the world some more in Nigeria than elsewhere. Then we see that problem for what it is

Some depts in a state in US have times 5 the budget of the entire Nigeria

No be today Nigeria poverty begin, Nigeria was poor when APC took over government from Jonathan and said they'd turn the country to El Dorado and make 1# = $1...8 years down the line we don dey hear say Nigeria poor.

GloriousGbola:
Subsidy is the third rail of Nigerian politics. Gej learnt that the hard way. Obj never went after subsidy fully, he just trimmed it. You will require a gigantic amount of social capital to cut subsidy without a large response.

As it is today, if Tinubu touches subsidy the obidients have an excuse to mobilise and create chaos. And they will take it. Buhari knows the game he is playinh

Peter Obi said he'd remove fuel subsidy so not sure what you're going on and on about Obidients...removing fuel subsidy isn't the issue, removing fuel subsidy and managing the removal properly na the koko.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Lol.

We are poor truly. Until the budget is that of Texas, we may not be able to achieve much.

Even that 3 billion can only impact a community. It won't do much in a local government, talk more of a state.
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if not private investment, what significant infrastructure can 3billion erect in a state that will be significant?

It can't even build a full standard stadium 🏟️..

What are you really talking about?

liveLongNprospa:
MC Oluomo Don start again ooo

VIDEO: MC Oluomo threatens Igbo voters ahead of Lagos election, says: If you no won vote for us, sit down for house” pic.twitter.com/a9U89jTIeB

— Ogun Watch (@OgunwatchNG) March 16, 2023

Jide Sanwo-Olu will pretend he doesn't see these things🤣🤣

@Afrodoc, this is another example of what I was talking about the other day. Are Igbos the only ethnic group in Lagos State? D. Elliot did not invent this wheel, we know he is not intelligent enough. Comments like these are unnecessary and needs to be called out. People should leave Igbo people alone, I will not get tired of saying it. You are speaking to a group of people but somehow, you concentrate on the Igbos, are they the only people that will vote in Lagos? You and I know how much influence MC has in Lagos, this thing needs to stop.

Theflint1:
Peter Obi said he'd remove fuel subsidy so not sure what you're going on and on about Obidients...removing fuel subsidy isn't the issue, removing fuel subsidy and managing the removal properly na the koko.

It is just talk. You think you can bear fuel at n900 per litre? Look at the complaints with fuel at n500 during this scarcity

Donjazet2:
Notice how the likes of larride, Oasis and some of our esteemed abroadians just jump and passed this?

When I point it out now, it becomes that I'm being controversial by speaking about tribalism.

bro, what do you want them to say?

Are you still not awake yet that this is Nigeria?

GloriousGbola:
It is just talk. You think you can bear fuel at n900 per litre? Look at the complaints with fuel at n500 during this scarcity

Increase in public transport fare and price of production...

raumdeuter:
The budget for the entire Nigeria from FG is $45bn

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigerias-senate-approves-2023-budget-holds-back-decision-loan-bonds-swap-2022-12-28/

The budget for the Department of Health in the State of New York is $203bn

https://www.budget.ny.gov/pubs/archive/fy23/ex/agencies/appropdata/HealthDepartmentof.html#:~:text=The%20FY%202023%20Executive%20Budget,for%20remaining%20health%20program%20spending.

For clarity one dept in one state in America has almost 5 times the budget of the entire country

Population of New York state is about 21M that is about the said population of Lagos state while the entire Lagos state budget is $2.5bn

I get the point you're making to an extent, but the minimum wage in Nigeria isn't the minimum wage in America, so why should we have a budget comparable to America? What you'd pay for a private school education in Nigeria isn't what you'd pay in the US...what you'd pay for a medical procedure in Nigeria isn't what you'd pay in the US...what you'd pay to get your car fixed in Nigeria isn't what you'd pay to get your car fixed in the US.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]There are many public schools without desks and boards

It is even in Lagos that we have decent government hospitals. I am assuming 300 million can increase the supply of drugs to government owned hospitals by few months

Let us assume that we need a budget of New york to be able to make life habitable for its citizens.

We go dey alright finally[/color]

See you are missing the point. Nobody is saying 300 million naira cannot do anything at all. We are saying it is too small to effect a major positive impact in any sector you direct it to.

For example, you mentioned desks. I agree that 300 million should be able to supply good desks to a lot of schools. After the desks, what next? Teachers are still badly paid, the schools you just supplied desks to have bad gates and doors so the desks are also at the risk of being stolen, the school building roof is also leaking, etc. So many problems but you have used 300 million to buy desks.

If politicians stop stealing Today, things will become marginally better but it won't suddenly transform Nigeria into Germany.

DontBullshitMe:
400k dollars is nothing when it comes to the business of state building and governance.

That 400k dollars is not even remotely enough to pay a month salary for all the workers in a random teaching hospital in Nigeria.

But of course, for an individual, 400k dollars is a fuçking huge amount.

That 400k won't buy brand new iPhone for the entire year 1 Mass communications students in Unilag. Yes its huge for 1 person especially in an environment like Nigeria

The task is this, find a well run society, let's see their budget and population you will see a trend there.

It's either the money is much of the population is reduced. No voodoo can make a poor society with ballooning population work

DontBullshitMe:
You have captured it well enough.

It's just that whenever one tries to make this kind of point, it is easily misinterpreted to mean you are making excuses for the ruling Government so the point is usually quickly dismissed for emotional reasons.

Out of the 36 states in Nigeria, only Lagos has a budget above 1 billion dollars. Some Universities in Europe are actually dragging similar budgets with our states here. Omo, Nigeria poor. The sad part is that majority of the country's population strongly believe that the country is rich and that the political ruling class are the one stealing all the money. And I don't blame them it's the lie that desperate politicians have used to win votes.

That was how Buhari came in saying once corruption is defeated and all leakages are blocked, Nigeria's wealth will be judiciously used to turn the country into Germany. Baba came in and saw that to even do just Lagos-Ibadan expressway, he needed to borrow. Nigeria politicians make me laugh a lot though. Go and see campaign promises from state Governors candidates, some are even promising 150k minimum wage.

I wish everyone well anyway.

Country whose debt servicing is equivalent to80% of their yearly budget

Who no know say Naija done cast finish never wake up

Roland17:
@Afro doc, this is another example of what I was talking about the other day. Are Igbos the only ethnic group in Lagos State? D. Elliot did not invent this wheel, we know he is not intelligent enough. Comments like these are unnecessary and needs to be called out. People should leave Igbo people alone, I will not get tired of saying it. You are speaking to a group of people but somehow, you concentrate on the Igbos, are they the only people that will vote in Lagos? You and I know how much influence MC has in Lagos, this thing needs to stop.

Non Yoruba or hausa-fulani are all igbos to this guys.

liveLongNprospa:
MC Oluomo Don start again ooo

VIDEO: MC Oluomo threatens Igbo voters ahead of Lagos election, says: If you no won vote for us, sit down for house” pic.twitter.com/a9U89jTIeB

— Ogun Watch (@OgunwatchNG) March 16, 2023

Jide Sanwo-Olu will pretend he doesn't see these things🤣🤣

Waiting for GloriousGbola to write an epistle how APC supporters are Putin like 🌝

DontBullshitMe:
See you are missing the point. Nobody is saying 300 million naira cannot do anything at all. We are saying it is too small to effect a major positive impact in any sector you direct it to.

For example, you mentioned desks. I agree that 300 million should be able to supply good desks to a lot of schools. After the desks, what next? Teachers are still badly paid, the schools you just supplied desks to have bad gates and doors so the desks are also at the risk of being stolen, the school building roof is also leaking, etc. So many problems but you have used 300 million to buy desks.

If politicians stop stealing Today, things will become marginally better but it won't suddenly transform Nigeria into Germany.

Marginally??.


You dey underestimate wetin politicians dey thief..

Infact let us step into the civil service and start from there.. Those PMs dey thief shege with the help of the governors.
The senators, HOR, did you see what wike did in rivers with just 200billion.

Do you know how many 200billion has been stolen from rivers in the last 8yrs.

Nor allow anybody bobo you

Donjazet2:
Omo but Obi grace really touch a lot of people oo.

No matter what happens in Lagos state, I think this rhodes-vivour guy's stock has risen tremendously in Lagos state.

I see him having an impact in Lagos politics moving forward.

I'd love to see him run with Funsho Doherty in 2027, I doubt GRV can defeat Sanwo-Olu on Saturday.

Roland17:
Using the cost of governance again doesn't fly. There are numerous types of Democracy. Democracies are adapted to fit the dynamics of every country. All the countries you used as example practice a type of democratic government that suits their dynamics. The developing/ poor countries in Africa have adapted theirs to fit what they want. What we are doing in Nigeria is intentioned to promote corruption and that is why there is no desire to amend our constitution. For example, INEC were given over N300Billion to execute the elections but somehow, the same election is riddled with large scale operation and technological issues that the N300Billion. What gives?

The option to reduce the 300bn to Inec is to have elections every 10yrs like some countries so we don't have to spent 300bn every 4yrs

Should we amend constitution to make politicians have 1 tenure of 10yrs at a stretch

That's one way. 2 the size of our civil service Is huge compared to what is produced. So it's basically welfarism. Just paying people for doing nothing

Who will bell the cat and throw the civil servants into unemployment to promote efficiency when he has an election coming up soon

3rd look at how content our neighbors in west Africa are with life. They have "gba folorun". Are Nigerians ready to face the reality like our Northern commoners and west African neighbors that only God bring prosperity

Nigeria dodge a bullet with Peter Obi,

Heard he was schooled at Channels on the difference between IREV and BVAS

DontBullshitMe:
See you are missing the point. Nobody is saying 300 million naira cannot do anything at all. We are saying it is too small to effect a major positive impact in any sector you direct it to.

For example, you mentioned desks. I agree that 300 million should be able to supply good desks to a lot of schools. After the desks, what next? Teachers are still badly paid, the schools you just supplied desks to have bad gates and doors so the desks are also at the risk of being stolen, the school building roof is also leaking, etc. So many problems but you have used 300 million to buy desks.

If politicians stop stealing Today, things will become marginally better but it won't suddenly transform Nigeria into Germany.

Nigerians will take 'marginally better" over the degree of suffering they are enduring.

Theflint1:
No be today Nigeria poverty begin, Nigeria was poor when APC took over government from Jonathan and said they'd turn the country to El Dorado and make 1# = $1...8 years down the line we don dey hear say Nigeria poor.

Can you produce where APC said they will make $1 equal N1. It's just a propaganda taken too far

Reality is its not possible.

Just like promise to pay N100k minimum wage even to road sweepers made by GRV

PIPSMARSHALL:
Increase in public transport fare and price of production...

Petrol is far bigger than that. Petrol carries micro, small, medium businesses.


Your barber. Your mama put. Your local super market. Your suya man. Some of my friends have already stopped using diesel gen for their office and are now on petrol gen.

Even petrol stations - they usually have one 8kva for day operations.

Our energy situation means petrol is the true alternative energy for nigerians be it I pass my neighbour or igwe gen

Theflint1:
I get the point you're making to an extent, but the minimum wage in Nigeria isn't the minimum wage in America, so why should we have a budget comparable to America? What you'd pay for a private school education in Nigeria isn't what you'd pay in the US...what you'd pay for a medical procedure in Nigeria isn't what you'd pay in the US...what you'd pay to get your car fixed in Nigeria isn't what you'd pay to get your car fixed in the US.

Now let's bring any country with our population and compare budget

Which was why I brought Angola with 40m people selling more oil than us. Or Libya with 6m people

Check the budget/population and let's see our real level

Well given that Buhari and BAT said they'd remove fuel subsidy I'd take the removal as them doing what they mean to do, only that Buhari is doing BAT a solid by choosing to take the stick for the removal.

GloriousGbola:
It is just talk. You think you can bear fuel at n900 per litre? Look at the complaints with fuel at n500 during this scarcity

Roland17:
By the time you start calculating all the high profile corruption, misappropriation and money laundry cases since 1999, you will begin to understand why Nigeria is in it's current state. These are the ones that were unearthed oh, how about the ones we don't know about or that succeeded without any traces? How about the billions of stolen funds that are intermittently remitted to Nigeria from foreign countries and banks? You can not use poverty as excuse to ruin the country.

Exactly.
Money is not well used and people are attempting to group that under us being broke.

The money stolen can still transform this country alot. Like alot.

Once again an example is what wike did in rivers state last year.
This man commissioned projects for straight 8months consistently

DontBullshitMe:
See you are missing the point. Nobody is saying 300 million naira cannot do anything at all. We are saying it is too small to effect a major positive impact in any sector you direct it to.

For example, you mentioned desks. I agree that 300 million should be able to supply good desks to a lot of schools. After the desks, what next? Teachers are still badly paid, the schools you just supplied desks to have bad gates and doors so the desks are also at the risk of being stolen, the school building roof is also leaking, etc. So many problems but you have used 300 million to buy desks.

If politicians stop stealing Today, things will become marginally better but it won't suddenly transform Nigeria into Germany.

You have just described Aregbesola education in Osun

"World class" facilities with teachers not being paid for 2yrs

No wonder his name invokes deep anger and curses in Osun

Ibime:
Country whose debt servicing is equivalent to80% of their yearly budget

Who no know say Naija done cast finish never wake up

We never wake up really

Put it in numbers

100m budget, 80m is to service budget alone

So 20m left to run the economy with recurring expenses plus insecurity

Go and bring Alan Greenspan and let him manage that and see how he will resign in 2 weeks

Diesel,kerosene,Lng subsidies have been removed,we didn't die and "obedients" didn't protest.

DontBullshitMe:
See you are missing the point. Nobody is saying 300 million naira cannot do anything at all. We are saying it is too small to effect a major positive impact in any sector you direct it to.

For example, you mentioned desks. I agree that 300 million should be able to supply good desks to a lot of schools. After the desks, what next? Teachers are still badly paid, the schools you just supplied desks to have bad gates and doors so the desks are also at the risk of being stolen, the school building roof is also leaking, etc. So many problems but you have used 300 million to buy desks.

If politicians stop stealing Today, things will become marginally better but it won't suddenly transform Nigeria into Germany.

Lol, if only you knew how much our politicians steal from inflated contracts...we're talking about a country where contracts are inflated by up to 200 times their actual value and you're saying little will change if our politicians stopped stealing?

Theflint1:
Well given that Buhari and BAT said they'd remove fuel subsidy I'd take the removal as them doing what they mean to do, only that Buhari is doing BAT a solid by choosing to take the stick for the removal.

If he wanted to do BAT a solid, he would kill subsidy immediately after the elections. Doing it on handover day is handing BAT a gift of civil unrest.

It will start from here.

The evil apc party has done it again!

Amigoss:
Diesel,kerosene,Lng subsidies have been removed,we didn't die and "obedients" didn't protest.

[color=royalblue]It should be LPG, not LNG.

And yes, i am surprised at how we all moved on, after the tax waiver was reinstated[/color]

GloriousGbola:
If he wanted to do BAT a solid, he would kill subsidy immediately after the elections. Doing it on handover day is handing BAT a gift of civil unrest.

It will start from here.

The evil apc party has done it again!

So he should remove subsidy when we're suffering a cash crush crisis?

This thing will come down to opinions really, and I believe him choosing to remove fuel subsidy on his very last day in office is him doing BAT a solid and taking the stick for subsidy removal.

Afterall BAT can say no be me remove subsidy and it'd be the truth.

Roland17:
@Afrodoc, this is another example of what I was talking about the other day. Are Igbos the only ethnic group in Lagos State? D. Elliot did not invent this wheel, we know he is not intelligent enough. Comments like these are unnecessary and needs to be called out. People should leave Igbo people alone, I will not get tired of saying it. You are speaking to a group of people but somehow, you concentrate on the Igbos, are they the only people that will vote in Lagos? You and I know how much influence MC has in Lagos, this thing needs to stop.

I didn’t click on the link.