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Gerrard59:
Everyone has friends who have done these things, but we are looking at the numbers. What he can control is better than the things he cannot. Many would have tried it if it were that easy to get NiW. That is the truth. Regarding elite institutions, my point is: if na so NiW easy, why have these folks with stellar qualifications and publications not done the same rather than crying on LinkedIn? The probability of getting US citizenship via NiW, Marriage and Work sponsorship compared to the Canadian route to citizenship is low. It is easier and faster to become a naturalised Canadian than an American. So the best bet is to accept the Canadian offer, play delayed gratification and move to the US. You win in the long run. He is even better than most of us who still admire the US but are in other countries with nothing like a TN visa. A Nigerian who has a British passport is treated the same as a Swiss. However, Canadian-Nigerian gets preferential treatment, especially in some sectors rife with startups that don't have time for H1B process. Even Indians are now encouraged to apply to Australian universities, get naturalised and apply for EB1 visa which gives Aussies preferential access to the American labour market.

Then a Nigerian should now let go of a fully funded offer from a Canadian university when there is a sure pathway to citizenship and preferential access to the US labour market?

Not all Nigerian students get naturalised via NiW (https://www.nairaland.com/7535720/nigerian-students-now-americans-how_, but literally all Nigerian students in Canada have a sure pathway to becoming naturalised citizens. Tumbo-tumbo is not good when there is a sure bet offer in hand.

What is the essence of EB1 if you can get Aussie citizenship? I think Australia pay more than USA in terms of wages.

martins2021:
What is the essence of EB1 if you can get Aussie citizenship? I think Australia pay more than USA in terms of wages.

Not for the tech industry. My former boss is Australian and he was trying the USA visa lottery so he can get the green card. No country beats the USA when it comes to wages in professional jobs.

Gerrard59:
Everyone has friends who have done these things, but we are looking at the numbers. What he can control is better than the things he cannot. Many would have tried it if it were that easy to get NiW. That is the truth. Regarding elite institutions, my point is: if na so NiW easy, why have these folks with stellar qualifications and publications not done the same rather than crying on LinkedIn? The probability of getting US citizenship via NiW, Marriage and Work sponsorship compared to the Canadian route to citizenship is low. It is easier and faster to become a naturalised Canadian than an American. So the best bet is to accept the Canadian offer, play delayed gratification and move to the US. You win in the long run. He is even better than most of us who still admire the US but are in other countries with nothing like a TN visa. A Nigerian who has a British passport is treated the same as a Swiss. However, Canadian-Nigerian gets preferential treatment, especially in some sectors rife with startups that don't have time for H1B process. Even Indians are now encouraged to apply to Australian universities, get naturalised and apply for EB1 visa which gives Aussies preferential access to the American labour market.

Then a Nigerian should now let go of a fully funded offer from a Canadian university when there is a sure pathway to citizenship and preferential access to the US labour market?

Not all Nigerian students get naturalised via NiW (https://www.nairaland.com/7535720/nigerian-students-now-americans-how_, but literally all Nigerian students in Canada have a sure pathway to becoming naturalised citizens. Tumbo-tumbo is not good when there is a sure bet offer in hand.

For Australians it's E3. It's their own equivalent of the TN visa.

Gerrard59:
Everyone has friends who have done these things, but we are looking at the numbers. What he can control is better than the things he cannot. Many would have tried it if it were that easy to get NiW. That is the truth. Regarding elite institutions, my point is: if na so NiW easy, why have these folks with stellar qualifications and publications not done the same rather than crying on LinkedIn? The probability of getting US citizenship via NiW, Marriage and Work sponsorship compared to the Canadian route to citizenship is low. It is easier and faster to become a naturalised Canadian than an American. So the best bet is to accept the Canadian offer, play delayed gratification and move to the US. You win in the long run. He is even better than most of us who still admire the US but are in other countries with nothing like a TN visa. A Nigerian who has a British passport is treated the same as a Swiss. However, Canadian-Nigerian gets preferential treatment, especially in some sectors rife with startups that don't have time for H1B process. Even Indians are now encouraged to apply to Australian universities, get naturalised and apply for EB1 visa which gives Aussies preferential access to the American labour market.

Then a Nigerian should now let go of a fully funded offer from a Canadian university when there is a sure pathway to citizenship and preferential access to the US labour market?

Not all Nigerian students get naturalised via NiW (https://www.nairaland.com/7535720/nigerian-students-now-americans-how_, but literally all Nigerian students in Canada have a sure pathway to becoming naturalised citizens. Tumbo-tumbo is not good when there is a sure bet offer in hand.

You've successfully deviate from the points of this back and forth which is NiW is another path of PR/Citizenship.

Let break this down,
Every country has her own downside and one downside of 🇺🇸 is immigration. Also when it comes to immigration African has advantage over India or China because they're more than us (other African countries are still applying for DV but Nigeria can't because we are more than them). Here in the state everybody's case is different and you can't just pull stat on Twitter to counter fact of someone in the state. Each country's approval relies on how many people applying from that country(USA is country of quota not just number). That being said, if anybody graduated with PhD in STEM and they can't find job (at least post doc), I can bet everything that the person's profile is not stellar. So don't just pull fact without knowing the background of that person.

Now back to Canada, everybody knows that the labor market in 🇺🇸 is more lucrative than 🇨🇦. Hence, people go for 🇺🇸.


So I'm repeating once again than NiW is still one of the surest way, if you meet the requirements

martins2021:
What is the essence of EB1 if you can get Aussie citizenship? I think Australia pay more than USA in terms of wages.

Not in all industries. The US has the most diversified economy globally with plentiful of opportunities. Then, as a black person, the US is the best place to succeed. There are more black dollar millionaires in the US than sub-Saharan Africa - which has more black people than elsewhere. In fact, I dare say, for any non-white person outside his/her dominant society, the US is apt for more economic opportunities.

horlahsunbo225:
You've successfully deviate from the points of this back and forth which is NiW is another path of PR/Citizenship

Without sounding like a broken record, I know this. But it is not guaranteed compared to being an international student based in Canada. The latter has a guaranteed/sure/almost 100% chance of being a permanent resident than the former. That is my point. Yes, NiW is an option, but it is not guaranteed compared to Canada's route. If OP had an offer from ETH Zurich, I would say take the American option because getting permanent residency in Switzerland is not easy for a black African (excluding marriage).

Let break this down,
Every country has her own downside and one downside of 🇺🇸 is immigration. Also when it comes to immigration African has advantage over India or China because they're more than us (other African countries are still applying for DV but Nigeria can't because we are more than them). Here in the state everybody's case is different and you can't just pull stat on Twitter to counter fact of someone in the state. Each country's approval relies on how many people applying from that country(USA is country of quota not just number). That being said, if anybody graduated with PhD in STEM and they can't find job (at least post doc), I can bet everything that the person's profile is not stellar. So don't just pull fact without knowing the background of that person.

You are trying to teach a bird how to fly. I know these things like the back of my palm.

Now back to Canada, everybody knows that the labor market in 🇺🇸 is more lucrative than 🇨🇦. Hence, people go for 🇺🇸.

Even an unborn child knows this, but for someone who has the option of going to Canada, he needs that assurance of being able to assess the US labour market on favourable terms. Unless you want OP to hustle employment with only Nigerian citizenship in an economy with layoffs here and there. The Biotech industry, for instance, except for large firms doesn't like recruiting international students, especially in a struggling economy with reduced VC funding. Except you did stellar research like a future Nobel laureate. However, most people are average or slightly above average.

So I'm repeating once again than NiW is still one of the surest way, if you meet the requirements

NiW is a sure path but compared to Canada's option? It is not. Canada is certain. It is like the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. It is guaranteed. Certain. Confirmed. Sure. 100%. In fact, I am willing to bet that from 2015 to date, more Nigerian students in Canada with a PhD became naturalised citizens before their US counterparts all things being equal (excluding marriage). It is the reason I created that thread to know how Nigerian students in the US became naturalised citizens. I wager that the majority got there via marriage, including PhD graduates. I am open to seeing data that says otherwise

but but but but but but but but but butt NiW::

https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/125sf88/friend_didnt_get_h1b_what_are_best_alternatives/

Figure don't lie. What percentage of the green card issued by both countries are family-based vs merit-based each year? Yankee greencard is more family based oriented.

Gerrard59:
Without sounding like a broken record, I know this. But it is not guaranteed compared to being an international student based in Canada. The latter has a guaranteed/sure/almost 100% chance of being a permanent resident than the former. That is my point. Yes, NiW is an option, but it is not guaranteed compared to Canada's route. If OP had an offer from ETH Zurich, I would say take the American option because getting permanent residency in Switzerland is not easy for a black African (excluding marriage).



You are trying to teach a bird how to fly. I know these things like the back of my palm.



Even an unborn child knows this, but for someone who has the option of going to Canada, he needs that assurance of being able to assess the US labour market on favourable terms. Unless you want OP to hustle employment with only Nigerian citizenship in an economy with layoffs here and there. The Biotech industry, for instance, except for large firms doesn't like recruiting international students, especially in a struggling economy with reduced VC funding. Except you did stellar research like a future Nobel laureate. However, most people are average or slightly above average.



NiW is a sure path but compared to Canada's option? It is not. Canada is certain. It is like the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. It is guaranteed. Certain. Confirmed. Sure. 100%. In fact, I am willing to bet that from 2015 to date, more Nigerian students in Canada with a PhD became naturalised citizens before their US counterparts all things being equal (excluding marriage). It is the reason I created that thread to know how Nigerian students in the US became naturalised citizens. I wager that the majority got there via marriage, including PhD graduates. I am open to seeing data that says otherwise

This topic is wide open and has just about no information for readers to feed on and digest to belch sound advice. There are sook many variables that eed to be mentioned. I may advise USA .... because I don't like the cold ... does the OP like cold? I may advise the US because I prefer to live in well racially integrated areas ... maybe OP wants to be surrounded by Whites. Money may not be the priority for me... while it may be OP will follow the money and don't care a damn where it leads him to. I can't advise with soooo little info.

Gerrard59:
Without sounding like a broken record, I know this. But it is not guaranteed compared to being an international student based in Canada. The latter has a guaranteed/sure/almost 100% chance of being a permanent resident than the former. That is my point. Yes, NiW is an option, but it is not guaranteed compared to Canada's route. If OP had an offer from ETH Zurich, I would say take the American option because getting permanent residency in Switzerland is not easy for a black African (excluding marriage).



You are trying to teach a bird how to fly. I know these things like the back of my palm.



Even an unborn child knows this, but for someone who has the option of going to Canada, he needs that assurance of being able to assess the US labour market on favourable terms. Unless you want OP to hustle employment with only Nigerian citizenship in an economy with layoffs here and there. The Biotech industry, for instance, except for large firms doesn't like recruiting international students, especially in a struggling economy with reduced VC funding. Except you did stellar research like a future Nobel laureate. However, most people are average or slightly above average.



NiW is a sure path but compared to Canada's option? It is not. Canada is certain. It is like the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. It is guaranteed. Certain. Confirmed. Sure. 100%. In fact, I am willing to bet that from 2015 to date, more Nigerian students in Canada with a PhD became naturalised citizens before their US counterparts all things being equal (excluding marriage). It is the reason I created that thread to know how Nigerian students in the US became naturalised citizens. I wager that the majority got there via marriage, including PhD graduates. I am open to seeing data that says otherwise

I perfectly understand that immigration in Canada is easier than 🇺🇸.
The upside of 🇺🇸 is lucrative labor market and lots of funding especially for STEM.

Also, 🇺🇸 resident (I mean both citizens and international that studied in the 🇺🇸) will be more prioritize than someone coming from 🇨🇦 cos every country valued their own education and experience. So, if you do addition and subtraction, any route you take is a win win for me (we all have different opinion of course).

Study in 🇺🇸 and make more money.
Study in Canada and become PR easier.