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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by 4ward4: 9:57am On Apr 09, 2023
orlahtohbadt:
You not we, at least be intellectual enough to personalize it.

You Sounding intellectual should know 50+1 persons in a memorandum is referred to as We. next time be intellectual enough to minding your business .

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by redrose88: 9:58am On Apr 09, 2023
They should do what Singapore does. If the Singaporean government offers you a full scholarship and pays for you to train, then you should stay back for a few years and help out.

But if you pay for your training without government aid you should be able to come and go as you like, no problem.

This bill has gone wrong from the start because it supposes that Nigerian healthcare practitioners are emigrating out of greed or malice rather than the fact that the country is basically unliveable.

If it were possible to stay and lead a dignified life, most people would. They ought to revise the tone of the proposal so that it sounds less accusatory.

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by peoplewww: 9:59am On Apr 09, 2023
VeeVeeMyLuv:
the agenda is to block every avenue that brings money to Nigerians. And sily Nigerians are busy applauding them!

See foreign direct investment FDI decreasing ever since 2015

My brother Very scary. And this people are the ones that send money into Nigeria via their family members once they get out there ooh.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by bjtinz: 10:03am On Apr 09, 2023
angiography:


Of the doctors left in Nigeria, how many are employed by the government. You guys are really funny. So you want them to keep all medical graduates in the country to do what exactly? What are the plans to employ them, in what capacity, on what salary scale.

Are doctors the only students trained on subsidized education?

Do you know how much more a doctor spends on his training from his personal pockets?

Are you aware most of the infrastructure in federal medical schools are provided by alumni? If you kill that spirit of "alumnism" , what do you think will become of all these funds. Recently, a former graduate from Ife donated about 1million dollar to the school, an alumni..

Are you aware medical students pay more than other undergraduates...in UI, an average undergraduate pay about 30,000 to 40,000. Medical students pay about #140,000 statutory school fees. Ditto for OAU, and many other federal schools.


Isn't that the reason a medical doctor earns, on average, far more than other graduates? A newly graduated house officer is over 200k in teaching hospital.

How much is an average non-medical graduate paid?

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by occfx: 10:06am On Apr 09, 2023
Upon all the problems in this Nigeria, na doctors be house of assembly problems. Idiots in power

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by seguno2: 10:08am On Apr 09, 2023
accordadoga29:
Ashiwaju is here.

There won't be any need for Brain Drain Bill because the urge to japa is going to reduce drastically.

Welcome to A New Nigeria.

Congratulations to everyone in advance! 🥂

Are you ignorant of the fact that free education for children is the responsibility of the state and local governments?
Are you also ignorant of the fact that Obasanjo/Atiku’s government created the UBEC to help state and local governments ensure free education for nine years to all children, by providing them counterpart/matching funds?

In any case, did Tinubu not fail to provide free education for ALL children in his eight years of recklessly stealing the federal allocation, IGR and loans for Lagosians, which his successor minions have continued

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by GUNITGuy: 10:09am On Apr 09, 2023
aybabz101:
The fact is Nigeria is bleeped up and a lot need to be done to rectify the situation. Brain drain is not only synonymous to the health sector, in fact the technology and financial industries has also had their fair share of experts relocating abroad. I know of a guy whom a leading Nigerian Bank is still paying his salaries even though he has relocated….working for the bank as a consultant coz there are no experienced persons to take up his role.

This bill is bidirectional to me as I believe the it is very unfair to train in Nigeria with the same dilapidated infrastructures, subsidized tuition and accommodation, and japa straight outa the country. It’s just fair to at least to a corporate responsibility to the society that gave u the skill in the first place.

Contrarily, the system is bleeped up.., they have refused to employ the doctors coz I know most doctors work in private institutions and only few are employed with the government and some are even unemployed. The employed ones are overworked, and exposed to varying degree of hazards. In fact some have to procure basic amenities such as gloves by themselves.

Like I said earlier, Nigerian doctors needs to know that all sectors of the country is bleeped up. And from my own biased perspective, doctor and nurses are still a top predators among the Nigerian educated population.

When I was in school, I fought for a lot of scholarships, all to no avail. Same with my colleagues who studied other biomedical sciences. But as a medical student ur chances of gaining a scholarship is like 70%. A number of my medical colleagues were earning above 600k per year as a student. They were on Mtn, Glo, Agbami, seplat etc. scholarships. In school, they have their own hostels and a lot of other privileges attached to them. They go on house jobs and are paid and their nysc always come with special packages.

In truth, a lot of Nigerians who graduated from other courses with good grades are still wallowing in unemployment….even ppl with first class are managing less than 100k jobs. That is the reality of Nigeria and that is why the whole system is bleeped up. And to me, the doctors are still a privileged few no matter how we construct the story.

I want Nigerians to know that Nigeria is not US and not UK. In fact those countries are in the zenith of global economies. Nigeria is in Africa and is one of the poorest countries in the world though with limitless potentials but cursed with unproductive and unpatriotic leaders.

I’m not in support of the bill but Nigerian doctors should be a little more appreciative coz they are far better than many
You make sense .....they tend to make you believe they never had any advantage which is not true... ....

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by seguno2: 10:12am On Apr 09, 2023
accordadoga29:
Ashiwaju is here.

There won't be any need for Brain Drain Bill because the urge to japa is going to reduce drastically.

Welcome to A New Nigeria.

Congratulations to everyone in advance! 🥂

No need for brain drain because Tinubu will recruit youths into the army to eat agbado and cassava

lalasticlala:
Insecurity: Recruit 50 million youths into army, Tinubu urges FG

All Progressives Congress chieftain, Bola Tinubu, on Monday, urged the Federal Government to recruit at least 50 million youths into the Nigerian Army to boost Nigeria’s fight against terrorism, banditry and all forms of internal and external security threats confronting the nation.

Tinubu spoke at the 12th colloquium to celebrate his 69th birthday in Kano State.

He said, “We are under-policed and we are competing with armed robbers and bandits to recruit from the youths who are unemployed —33 per cent unemployed?”

“Recruit 50 million youths into the army,” he stated, adding that “what they will eat —cassava, corn, yam, will grow here.”

The APC chieftain, while reacting to recent statistics by the National Bureau of Statistics that over 23 million Nigerians are jobless, also urged the government to create jobs for youths in the agricultural value chains.

He said, “Don’t talk about illiteracy, anybody who can hold a gun, who can handle a gun, who can cock and shoot is technically competent to repair a tractor in the farm.”

https://punchng.com/insecurity-recruit-50-million-youths-into-army-tinubu-urges-fg/
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by GUNITGuy: 10:15am On Apr 09, 2023
angiography:


Of the doctors left in Nigeria, how many are employed by the government. You guys are really funny. So you want them to keep all medical graduates in the country to do what exactly? What are the plans to employ them, in what capacity, on what salary scale.

Are doctors the only students trained on subsidized education?

Do you know how much more a doctor spends on his training from his personal pockets?

Are you aware most of the infrastructure in federal medical schools are provided by alumni? If you kill that spirit of "alumnism" , what do you think will become of all these funds. Recently, a former graduate from Ife donated about 1million dollar to the school, an alumni..

Are you aware medical students pay more than other undergraduates...in UI, an average undergraduate pay about 30,000 to 40,000. Medical students pay about #140,000 statutory school fees. Ditto for OAU, and many other federal schools.

They just started paying such not too long ago when U.I Realize that they can't be paid the same amount with other science students and still Japa ..
When I was in a Federal University they pay the same amount with even Botany, Agriculture....Apart from states that had to increase Tuition from Fashola tenure other states follow suit even many criticize Fashola for that but today alot of States are doing the same ..
This was owing to incessant striking Doctors
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by seguno2: 10:17am On Apr 09, 2023
aybabz101:
The fact is Nigeria is bleeped up and a lot need to be done to rectify the situation. Brain drain is not only synonymous to the health sector, in fact the technology and financial industries has also had their fair share of experts relocating abroad. I know of a guy whom a leading Nigerian Bank is still paying his salaries even though he has relocated….working for the bank as a consultant coz there are no experienced persons to take up his role.

This bill is bidirectional to me as I believe the it is very unfair to train in Nigeria with the same dilapidated infrastructures, subsidized tuition and accommodation, and japa straight outa the country. It’s just fair to at least to a corporate responsibility to the society that gave u the skill in the first place.

Contrarily, the system is bleeped up.., they have refused to employ the doctors coz I know most doctors work in private institutions and only few are employed with the government and some are even unemployed. The employed ones are overworked, and exposed to varying degree of hazards. In fact some have to procure basic amenities such as gloves by themselves.

Like I said earlier, Nigerian doctors needs to know that all sectors of the country is bleeped up. And from my own biased perspective, doctor and nurses are still a top predators among the Nigerian educated population.

When I was in school, I fought for a lot of scholarships, all to no avail. Same with my colleagues who studied other biomedical sciences. But as a medical student ur chances of gaining a scholarship is like 70%. A number of my medical colleagues were earning above 600k per year as a student. They were on Mtn, Glo, Agbami, seplat etc. scholarships. In school, they have their own hostels and a lot of other privileges attached to them. They go on house jobs and are paid and their nysc always come with special packages.

In truth, a lot of Nigerians who graduated from other courses with good grades are still wallowing in unemployment….even ppl with first class are managing less than 100k jobs. That is the reality of Nigeria and that is why the whole system is bleeped up. And to me, the doctors are still a privileged few no matter how we construct the story.

I want Nigerians to know that Nigeria is not US and not UK. In fact those countries are in the zenith of global economies. Nigeria is in Africa and is one of the poorest countries in the world though with limitless potentials but cursed with unproductive and unpatriotic leaders.

I’m not in support of the bill but Nigerian doctors should be a little more appreciative coz they are far better than many

Please who allowed the leaders to emerge from among the people, if not the people themselves?

Does that mean that we the people are even more cursed, unproductive and unpatriotic than our leaders
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by angiography(m): 10:17am On Apr 09, 2023
bjtinz:


Isn't that the reason a medical doctor earns, on average, far more than other graduates? A newly graduated house officer is over 200k in teaching hospital.

How much is an average non-medical graduate paid?


You tell me.

An average doctor in Nigeria works more than 100 hours in a week. In UK, it's 48 hrs as other workers. If you think they're being paid excessively, then the drain is just starting
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by misano(m): 10:20am On Apr 09, 2023
Onefornaija7:
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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by angiography(m): 10:20am On Apr 09, 2023
GUNITGuy:

They just started paying such not too long ago when U.I Realize that they can't be paid the same amount with other science students and still Japa ..
When I was in a Federal University they pay the same amount with even Botany, Agriculture....Apart from states that had to increase Tuition from Fashola tenure other states follow suit even many criticize Fashola for that but today alot of States are doing the same ..
This was owing to incessant striking Doctors

Your first paragraph is wrong...they pay the increased amount coz of lack of funding from the government...and even if your reason is true, that already negates the premise that they should be bonded.

Medical education is not cheap, and that even in Nigeria!

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by GUNITGuy: 10:24am On Apr 09, 2023
alezzy13:


This is the best recommendation IMO. Yes, some may rant and curse, but it's only fair.

To train a medical doctor in UK/USA is far greater than it is here, and those countries are aware.
It cost about $300000 and this is even on l oannot a scholarship... Medicine has no scholarship you just have to pay ..
Here we reward people medicine for passing Jamb better than the rest or through man no man .
It's not a joke at all no modern country let their best brains trained by them to just go like that. ..
I know they would come to this point some day
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by COMPAQ(m): 10:27am On Apr 09, 2023
nlfpmod:
As shared by Dr. Ibrahim Oloriegbe, APC Senator representing Kwara Central Senatorial District.



https://twitter.com/official_IYO/status/1644787413821145088?t=_DUBxsBjcKTd1l9MEx2BKQ&s=08

First time I've seen someone in the national assembly talk with sense and logic. Nigerians generally are not deep thinkers. Or problem solving skills is very poor. JAPA is not the problem, it's the symptom of many problems in Nigeria. After all like he said, not just those in the medical profession are leaving.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by GUNITGuy: 10:33am On Apr 09, 2023
bjtinz:
I totally support the recommendation by the senator.

Those who study in private universities (who are unsubsidized presumably) are free to japa.

However those in public institution with subsidized training must repay, via at least 5-10yrs work, before japaing

Problem is Medical doctors in Nigeria expect to be earn what thier counterparts abroad, which is not realistic.

Has it occurred to them that part of the reason thier counterparts earn so much is because of the humongous cost of thier training abroad??

Check for yourselves, the average US graduate is in debt as a result of loans taken to cover thier training, and it takes them many years to offset.
I laugh at people in Nigeria who don't understand what it takes the US or UK to train those people in that Profession let the Nigerian trained Doctors be grateful forget what any narrative they may present they are really privileged than the rest by Nigeria..They need to give back and reward the society in another way not just money donation to their schools ......
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by RecessionistPMB: 10:36am On Apr 09, 2023
They are making bill to prevent doctors from emigrating while they will never make bill preventing themselves from seeking medicare abroad.

Thieves!
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by tete7000(m): 10:37am On Apr 09, 2023
My only comment is that the person that sponsored the bill is a daft illiterate and Nigeria needs to start electing intelligent and educated minds into elective offices.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by awumen: 10:39am On Apr 09, 2023
onuman:


It's not about how long a doctor has to practice in Nigeria before allowed to move abroad. It's all about the corruption in Nigeria.
Government establishes a hospital in Nigeria, well equipped, and employs doctors to run the hospital. The doctors would use the government hospital and equipments as private practice in mushroom clinics the doctors established in the town the hospital is located. Patients are taken from the government hospital to the private mushroom clinics, housed there, the doctors use the hospital equipments to diagnose and treat the patients who pay the doctors. With time, the hospital and its equipments dry out.

Doctors who want to earn as much as the political office holders ruin the health sector in Nigeria.
The people in government are aware of these challenges,the point is how do we address the root cause?
The focus seem to be only on doctors but what about nurses dentist pharmacist and even radiographers? I know alot of radiographers who are out already infact one of them with over 12 years practice told me he is not sure we have up to 10000 radiographers left in Nigeria. The root cause should be the focus, imagine a state government(Rivers state) not giving employment for over 7 years.
It's heartbreaking.The government has a huge role to play,so stopping people until 5 years won't change anything. We b 9ja,alternative to dis license go appear, trust me.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by onuman: 10:46am On Apr 09, 2023
awumen:

The people in government are aware of these challenges,the point is how do we address the root cause?
The focus seem to be only on doctors but what about nurses dentist pharmacist and even radiographers? I know alot of radiographers who are out already infact one of them with over 12 years practice told me he is not sure we have up to 10000 radiographers left in Nigeria. The root cause should be the focus, imagine a state government(Rivers state) not giving employment for over 7 years.
It's heartbreaking.The government has a huge role to play,so stopping people until 5 years won't change anything. We b 9ja,alternative to dis license go appear, trust me.
The government cannot be in the hospitals all the time to checkmate the doctors involved in diverting patients in government hospitals to their private clinics. A case for example is the Imo state University Teaching hospital in Orlu. All efforts of government to checkmate doctors in the ugly phenomenon have not succeeded.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by alfa666: 10:52am On Apr 09, 2023
DesChyko:


The minimum salary for the lowest level of teaching (NQT) in the UK is about ÂŁ28,000 per annum; an equivalent of #25m in Nigeria.

Is that why the teachers in UK are stricking?
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by HellVictorinho6(m): 10:55am On Apr 09, 2023
BigBashiru:


The citizens failed themselves. Lazy black monkeys....
u have come with ur vomit again
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by coputa(m): 10:56am On Apr 09, 2023
DesChyko:
That bill made sense only to people who prioritise waste as a lifestyle. It costs a lot to emigrate to a country which offers better value for labour but people are doing it anyways, and in large numbers too. Hell! Nigerian medical professionals are in high demand outside the shores of our country. And instead of the government to seek ways to make here like there, they're trying their usual 'shut down whatever you can't control tactics'.

The reasons teachers don't have much advantage like doctors is the required teaching qualifications. Is the government aware though that UK for example has made it easier for teachers in Nigeria to apply for QTS which once approved, they can just emigrate and get a teaching job without having to take an additional course?

The minimum salary for the lowest level of teaching (NQT) in the UK is about ÂŁ28,000 per annum; an equivalent of #25m in Nigeria.
can that salary give you a good life in the UK, after paying tax and other utility bills how much do you have left.On the contrary if you have #25million in Nigeria, you have virtually cross the poverty line

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by DesChyko: 10:57am On Apr 09, 2023
alfa666:


Is that why the teachers in UK are stricking?

Nice one. Are you insinuating they even want more pay?

Thanks for this point.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by DesChyko: 11:02am On Apr 09, 2023
coputa:
can that salary give you a good life in the UK, after paying tax and other utility bills how much do you have left.On the contrary if you have #25million in Nigeria, you have virtually cross the poverty line

Divide that amount by 20. More than half the teaching population in Nigeria don't make that in a year. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Talking about a good life in the UK, the taxes and utilities gives them access to healthcare, education for their kids, electricity, fuel, e.t.c. right? Nice. How do we pay for those things here? Don't we pay for them out of our pockets? Make we dey sha play
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by coputa(m): 11:03am On Apr 09, 2023
alfa666:


Is that why the teachers in UK are stricking?
No, teaching in the UK is hell,the learner's are rude to their teachers,expecially blacks:they throw racist and derisive words at you.The schools management doesn't frown at it instead you will be queried for lack of class control.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by orlahtohbadt(m): 11:05am On Apr 09, 2023
4ward4:


You Sounding intellectual should know 50+1 persons in a memorandum is referred to as We. next time be intellectual enough to minding your business .
Oh there is a business in a public space like Nairaland? You’re really pushing it the more. If there was a business to be minded, you won’t be in this forum in the first place and you won’t certainly reply the other person by quoting him or her. So 50+1 means we, when it has not even outrightly passed a stage. Come off it man, you are really not intellectual.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by DesChyko: 11:06am On Apr 09, 2023
aybabz101:
The fact is Nigeria is bleeped up and a lot need to be done to rectify the situation. Brain drain is not only synonymous to the health sector, in fact the technology and financial industries has also had their fair share of experts relocating abroad.

You get? They're talking as if the NIS is kept busy because of doctors on the run. Doctors alone can never account for the numbers of able bodied citizens seeking a better life elsewhere.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by coputa(m): 11:13am On Apr 09, 2023
onuman:

The government cannot be in the hospitals all the time to checkmate the doctors involved in diverting patients in government hospitals to their private clinics. A case for example is the Imo state University Teaching hospital in Orlu. All efforts of government to checkmate doctors in the ugly phenomenon have not succeeded.
It's done in public hospitals all over the country.they refer you to private hospitals and labs outside because that's where they make their money.It will be difficult to stop.

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Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by BigBashiru: 11:19am On Apr 09, 2023
HellVictorinho6:
u have come with ur vomit again

Blacks are so lazy...they are their own problem.
Re: Senator Ibrahim Oloriegbe Slams Brain Drain Bill by HellVictorinho6(m): 11:21am On Apr 09, 2023
BigBashiru:


Blacks are so lazy...they are their own problem.
in other words, u are still vomitting.

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