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larride:
INEC has called for the IGP to investigate and prosecute the REC.

They have also called on the SGF to report the actions of the REC since the REC was appointed by the President and approved by the National Assembly.

Rec wanted to cash out like their boss did 😁

Nawao

https://twitter.com/RoyIsThaTruth/status/1648037861260685358?t=fs5C37aGB-9prB3peNcing&s=19

larride:
Okay. What’s your opinion about the system? Do you think it’s the best way for a trial?

Have you watched 12 angry men? The movie was made in 1957 so I don’t know if it’s still the same way or it has changed.

It is democratizing the process. Will you rather have your fate decided by 12 people or 1 judge

Where is bias likely to be prevalent, 12 regular everyday people or 1 judge

I think for some cases like death penalty, everyone have to agree and just one disagreement will change everything

Looks like collation of results in Adamawa is going on currently and Fintiri looks to be leading

https://www.nairaland.com/7657869/live-collation-adamawa-governorship-results

afrodoc2:
It was established to protect citizens from the excesses of tyrannical authority whereby judges could be used to deal with citizens.

Most of the founding fathers of the US were against centralisation of power or authority in any form.

While that is understandable, it just comes into consideration that the jury system sometimes is flawed.

If you’ve watched the 2 movies I mentioned, you might understand where I’m coming from.

The Banker for example, the 2 black guys were sent to jail and all the assets in their names were consficated by a all white jury for a crime they didn’t commit.

larride:
While that is understandable, it just comes into consideration that the jury system sometimes is flawed.

If you’ve watched the 2 movies I mentioned, you might understand where I’m coming from.

The Banker for example, the 2 black guys were sent to jail and all the assets in their names were consficated by a all white jury for a crime they didn’t commit.

Every system, human, society etc has its own flaw, its to find which one has the least compared to the option

Just like we dey complain about democracy in Nigeria, because of its flaws, shey we will take monarchy or Military

afrodoc2:
What were the concerns about Tinubu?

The not getting 25% in the FCT for example, party agent told Yakubu not to make that declaration due to other issues too, like result not fully uploaded to Irev etc. They even staged a walkout to protest the illegality Yakubu was about to do, but all that didn't faze him cos him done cash out already 😁..

TrebleChamp:
Rec wanted to cash out like their boss did 😁

I don’t know if you are the one that paid their boss or what.

In the Presidential election, all the results that were announced were announced by the RO of each state. Yakubu didn’t announce of result for any state, all he did was tabulate the result that each state RO announced and declared a winner based on those results.

How exactly is it the same thing with what the REC did?

TrebleChamp:
The not getting 25% in the FCT for example, party agent told Yakubu not to make that declaration due to other issues too, like result not fully uploaded to Irev etc. They even staged a walkout to protest the illegality Yakubu was about to do, but all that did faze him cos him done cash out already 😁..

As I see the smiley I know say you sef dey catch cruise

So you expect them not to announce the winner of the presidential election till today when someone won the plurality of votes and has over 25% in 29 states meeting the constitutional requirement?

Any complaint is why the courts are there

Binani vs Fintiri, Based on evidence, Binani did not/has not won the plurality of votes

So what is the similarity between Binani and Tinubu

larride:
I don’t know if you are the one that paid their boss or what.

In the Presidential election, all the results that were announced were announced by the RO of each state. Yakubu didn’t announce of result for any state, all he did was tabulate the result that each state RO announced and declared a winner based on those results.

How exactly is it the same thing with what the REC did?

You saw my emoji right...

TrebleChamp:
The not getting 25% in the FCT for example, party agent told Yakubu not to make that declaration due to other issues too, like result not fully uploaded to Irev etc. They even staged a walkout to protest the illegality Yakubu was about to do, but all that didn't faze him cos him done cash out already 😁..

😂😂😂😂

Sometimes arguing with you people na cruise.

Make I go back to my movie review abeg

raumdeuter:


As I see the smiley I know say you sef dey catch cruise

So you expect them not to announce the winner of the presidential election till today when someone won the plurality of votes and has over 25% in 29 states meeting the constitutional requirement?

Any complaint is why the courts are there

Binani vs Fintiri, Based on evidence, Binani did not/has not won the plurality of votes

So what is the similarity between Binani and Tinubu

Na why i no kuku follow una argue whether Tinubu was rightfully declared or not, na wetin other party agent talk i write give afrodoc2 😁...
Binani's case is a crime against humanity, the Rec allowed winner of an ongoing election process...

raumdeuter:
It is democratizing the process. Will you rather have your fate decided by 12 people or 1 judge

Where is bias likely to be prevalent, 12 regular everyday people or 1 judge

I think for some cases like death penalty, everyone have to agree and just one disagreement will change everything

I believe lawyers and judges are in best position to argue and judge cases and not someone who has no knowledge of the law and can use bias to vote Yes or No.

If you watch the movie I’m talking about, some of these guys voted Yes because they felt the guy was guilty not because the evidence says he was guilty. One even voted guilty because he hated those that are from the trenches, another one voted guilty because of what his son did, another one voted guilty because everyone was voting guilty.

APC and illegality be like 5&6

https://www.nairaland.com/7657801/apc-vows-protect-binanis-victory

Nigeria is truly poor 😁


https://www.nairaland.com/7657851/okowas-jumbos-severance-package-delta

TrebleChamp:
Nigeria is truly poor 😁


https://www.nairaland.com/7657851/okowas-jumbos-severance-package-delta

Lmao

It's just a few people and as such doesn't do much to help the general populace 🤭

nihilistjnr:
Omo its messy af, but both parts of tje country literally fought a civil war so its expected

I actually didn't expect this to get this bad.
But I am inclined to suspect that both Laporta and Perez are enjoying this as it would even lead to future El Classicos attracting more viewers.


We are approaching Mou vs Pep era people!!! 😂


But I nor know say barca sef enjoyed goodwill from Franco.

TrebleChamp:
APC and illegality be like 5&6

https://www.nairaland.com/7657801/apc-vows-protect-binanis-victory

It's a gang up. The last gasp of the adamawa patriarchy. African men trying to hold women down. The world is watching 😁

TrebleChamp:
APC and illegality be like 5&6

https://www.nairaland.com/7657801/apc-vows-protect-binanis-victory

They are jonzing.

TrebleChamp:
Na why i no kuku follow una argue whether Tinubu was rightfully declared or not, na wetin other party agent talk i write give afrodoc2 😁...
Binani's case is a crime against humanity, the Rec allowed winner of an ongoing election process...

But this was you below asking why Tinubu was declared winner when he obviously met the requirement set by law

TrebleChamp:
They commit this illegality/crimes cos they are somewhat above the law, Yakubu also declared Tinubu winner when their were concern Tinubu didn't meet the requirement to be declared as such. Na go to Court season we dey now..

2billion gini?

Just to announce her as the winner.

Kai..

larride:
I believe lawyers and judges are in best position to argue and judge cases and not someone who has no knowledge of the law and can use bias to vote Yes or No.

If you watch the movie I’m talking about, some of these guys voted Yes because they felt the guy was guilty not because the evidence says he was guilty. One even voted guilty because he hated those that are from the trenches, another one voted guilty because of what his son did, another one voted guilty because everyone was voting guilty.

Lawyer will argue in different direction to acquit or convict and the judge or jury will still be the one to decide

raumdeuter:
Lawyer will argue in different direction to acquit or convict and the judge or jury will still be the one to decide

I believe the judge alone being a trained professional is better.

I’d rather my fate in a judges hand than a jury especially as a black man.

PDPGuy:
The full figures aren’t out yet. But the REC declared Binani as the winner…

Where was/is the RO sef?

larride:
Roland17 raumdueter

Why is the US practicing the jury system? How does the court chose the jury’s in a case?

The Jury system was created to ensure a defendant is tried by his/ her fellow citizens who meet strict moral/ legal criteria. The idea behind the Jury system is to reduce the direct influence of the Government on the Judiciary. A jury must have a unanimous vote to get a favorable judgment in most cases.
The process of selecting a Jury for a case is quite exhaustive, I must tell you, depending on the gravity of the case. Each county has a pool of potential jurors it keeps and updates based on records like criminal and legal histories; you have to be an upstanding citizen of the country. I am in the pool of juries for the State where I currently reside and have gotten quite close to getting picked. There are some criticism of the jury system, like personal biases and other issues but the fundamental idea is to reduce the influence of 1 person (The Judge) who is appointed by the Government.

larride:
While that is understandable, it just comes into consideration that the jury system sometimes is flawed.

If you’ve watched the 2 movies I mentioned, you might understand where I’m coming from.

The Banker for example, the 2 black guys were sent to jail and all the assets in their names were consficated by a all white jury for a crime they didn’t commit.

Yeah I have watched 12 angry men. Both the original and the remake. It’s a classic.

There is no perfect system. You have to look at it from the point of the founding fathers and the original US citizens who had just escaped nearly 200 years of British tyranny.

Those guys didn’t even want a President at first. Their aim was to ensure that 1 man under pressure from centralised authority could not punish the common man. They preferred to give such powers to their peers. Unfortunately not all men are created equal in society.

Both the jury system and the system with verdict by judges have flaws.

larride:
I believe the judge alone being a trained professional is better.

I’d rather my fate in a judges hand than a jury especially as a black man.

1 white Judge or 12 white jury.

Laws of probability says one of the 12 might be sympathetic

Roland17:
The Jury system was created to ensure a defendant is tried by his/ her fellow citizens who meet strict moral/ legal criteria. The idea behind the Jury system is to reduce the direct influence of the Government on the Judiciary. A jury must have a unanimous vote to get a favorable judgment in most cases.
The process of selecting a Jury for a case is quite exhaustive, I must tell you, depending on the gravity of the case. Each county has a pool of potential juries it keeps and updates based on records like criminal and legal histories; you have to be an upstanding citizen of the country. I am in the pool of juries for the State where I currently reside and have gotten quite close to getting picked. There are some criticism of the jury system, like personal biases and other issues but the fundamental idea is to reduce the influence of 1 person (The Judge) who is appointed by the Government.

unfortunately multiple cases where black men were railroaded into jail exist because it is not a jury of their peers
a jury watched the rodney king tape and still voted in favor of the cops
and a few years later a different jury got their revenge in the oj simpson case, though LAP clearly poisoned the well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney

another example - a much more frightening one

Roland17:
The Jury system was created to ensure a defendant is tried by his/ her fellow citizens who meet strict moral/ legal criteria. The idea behind the Jury system is to reduce the direct influence of the Government on the Judiciary. A jury must have a unanimous vote to get a favorable judgment in most cases.
The process of selecting a Jury for a case is quite exhaustive, I must tell you, depending on the gravity of the case. Each county has a pool of potential juries it keeps and updates based on records like criminal and legal histories; you have to be an upstanding citizen of the country. I am in the pool of juries for the State where I currently reside and have gotten quite close to getting picked. There are some criticism of the jury system, like personal biases and other issues but the fundamental idea is to reduce the influence of 1 person (The Judge) who is appointed by the Government.

Thank you. If the selective process is strict and not just anyone can be a jury, I think it’s fine in a way.

The movie just brings out a fresh perspective for me in viewing how the jury system can wrongly send a man to die because of their own personal bias or issues.

afrodoc2:
Yeah I have watched 12 angry men. Both the original and the remake. It’s a classic.

There is no perfect system. You have to look at it from the point of the founding fathers and the original US citizens who had just escaped nearly 200 years of British tyranny.

Those guys didn’t even want a President at first. Their aim was to ensure that 1 man under pressure from centralised authority could not punish the common man. They preferred to give such powers to their peers. Unfortunately not all men are created equal in society.

Both the jury system and the system with verdict by judges have flaws.

True. No perfect system exist anywhere but you can always try to get the best out of any chosen system we decide to go with.

TrebleChamp:
The not getting 25% in the FCT for example, party agent told Yakubu not to make that declaration due to other issues too, like result not fully uploaded to Irev etc. They even staged a walkout to protest the illegality Yakubu was about to do, but all that didn't faze him cos him done cash out already 😁..

The 25% FCT issue is a case of ignorant people that do not understand the constitution. Yakubu does not have a duty to accomodate the ignorance of people.

The IREV issue is a different case which I didn’t really follow in detail. So there may or may not be a case there.

Only cold blooded desperation can make any informed person try to use that 25% FCT claim.
Yakubu does not have to cater to desperadoes. His job is to read out the results. Ignorant people and desperadoes can go and waste their money in the courts depending on 25% FCT claim.

GloriousGbola:
unfortunately multiple cases where black men were railroaded into jail exist because it is not a jury of their peers
a jury watched the rodney king tape and still voted in favor of the cops
and a few years later a different jury got their revenge in the oj simpson case, though LAP clearly poisoned the well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney

another example - a much more frightening one

Every system will always have its bad examples but I believe you stand a better chance in a jury of regular people vs 1 judge who has always lived a protected life will wonder why anyone won't wear a 3 piece suit or use vulgar language