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A friend of mine was offering 2 rakahs sunnah after Maghrib in the Mosque, when a new comer joined him for Jamaah. My friend didn't know what to do as he was offering the Sunnah and he knew that the new comer was under the impression that he was offering fard. After the prayer my friend was still in the Mosque when the new comer finished his prayer and asked my friend why he had not been reading out loud as it was MAghrib. My friend informed him that he had been reading the Sunnah and therefore could not have read out loud. Could you please clarify with daleel [proof from Hadith/Sunnah] as to what should be done in such a situation where you are offering a Sunnah prayer and someone joins you thinking its Fard?.

Praise be to Allah.

Firstly:
There is nothing wrong with one who is offering an obligatory prayer praying behind one who is offering a naafil prayer. It is proven that Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray ‘Isha’ with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go back to his people and lead them in praying ‘Isha’, and the prayer was naafil for him and obligatory for them.

It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).

Al-Nawawi said:
In this hadeeth we see that it is permissible for one who is offering an obligatory prayer to pray behind one who is offering a naafil prayer, because Mu‘aadh used to offer the obligatory prayer with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), so he discharged his duty, then he would pray the second time with his people, so it was voluntary for him and obligatory for them. This is stated clearly elsewhere than in Muslim, and this is permissible according to al-Shaafa‘i (may Allah have mercy on him) and others. End quote.
Sharh Muslim, 4/181

Secondly:
There is nothing wrong with a person starting his prayer alone and then becoming an imam when someone else joins him.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I stayed overnight with my maternal aunt. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) got up to pray at night and I got up to pray with him. I stood on his left and he took hold of my head and made me stand on his right.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (667) and Muslim (763).

Imam al-Bukhaari included this report in a chapter entitled: If the imam did not intend to lead others in prayer, then people join him so he leads them in prayer.

And it was narrated that Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was praying in Ramadaan, and I came and stood beside him, and another man came and stood too, until there was a group of us. When the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) realized that I was behind him, he made his prayer brief.
Narrated by Muslim (1104).

Some of the scholars said that it is permissible to do this in naafil prayers, but not in obligatory prayers. But the correct view is that it is valid in both cases.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The correct view is that that is permissible in both obligatory and naafil prayers. End quote.
Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 22/258

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
But the correct view is that it is valid in both obligatory and naafil prayers. With regard to naafil prayers, it is mentioned in the text; with regard to obligatory prayers, what is proven in the case of naafil prayers is also proven with regard to obligatory prayers, unless there is evidence to the contrary.
Al-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 2/304

Thirdly:
If a person starts to pray behind a man who has started to offer a naafil prayer, as in the case asked about here, then the imam has the choice as to whether he recites out loud or quietly. But if he intended to lead the prayer from the outset, then he should recite out loud, because of the hadeeth of Mu‘aadh (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted above.

And Allah knows best.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/153386/person-for-whom-the-prayer-is-obligatory-praying-behind-one-who-is-offering-a-naafil-prayer

walexsho:
wrong submission...
you can never join someone who doesn't have the intention of congregation prayer while praying not to talk of someone offering Nawafil.
Are you telling people that they can go ahead and offer Isha prayer behind Imam offering Tarawih. Did the holy prophet practice such.

"You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day and who engages much in the praise of Allah."
(Q33:21).

One of those religious rites is salaat - one would not have observed salaat unless and until when it is done according to the specification of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH).He said:
"Pray as you have seen me pray" (Bukhari).

TheNiceGuy:
Masha'Allah Tabaarakallah.

Jazzakumullahu khayran OP

TheNiceGuy:
But you read the Hadith about Muaadh bn Jabbal.
Was he forbade?

BaddestQueen:
masha allah sibirikalaq nalaotu sadaqa amin

walexsho:
The two ha-adith quoted never depict those that joined the holy prophet wanted to Observe obligatory prayer behind the prophet but rather joined him to get the blessings of Nawafil.

Secondly, the holy prophet was the Imam solat and would always lead them in Obligatory solat. There are narrations that says the door to the prophet house is next to the entrance of the Pulpit and they had to wait for him to come out before prayer is observed. Definitely they are aware he wasn't observing an obligatory prayer as the Imam but want to derive of the blessings.

TheNiceGuy:
My brother, if you love Islam with this your fixation, I implore you to embrace it.

You'll be taught the very best way to glorification, adorations and sort.

TheNiceGuy:
We don't have to argue this, I'm making reference to Mu'aadh Hadith but you said nothing about that.

walexsho:
It narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).

I don't know .... probably I was taught Saudi Arabian English.
"Muadh ibn Jabal used to pray with the holy prophet, then he would go to his people to again lead them in prayer"....Please does the above Hadith now show us he joined the holy prophet in prayer while he was already observing Obligatory prayer... even though he joined, he later went to observe the prayer again!!!!! which is allowed. Infact it simply says he prayed prayed with the holy prophet then went back to his people to again lead them in prayer.
when a prayer is non-obligatory you can join the person with the intention of Non-obligatory prayer just like Sujud sawih (Sujud done when mistake occur in prayer) is not necessary for Non-obligatory prayer but you can never observe Ishai prayer behind an Imam offering Tarawih prayer(Nawafil)
wa moo yazzakkaru illaa ulul albaaab.

walexsho:
It narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).

I don't know .... probably I was taught Saudi Arabian English.
"Muadh ibn Jabal used to pray with the holy prophet, then he would go to his people to again lead them in prayer"....Please does the above Hadith now show us he joined the holy prophet in prayer while he was already observing Obligatory prayer... even though he joined, he later went to observe the prayer again!!!!! which is allowed. Infact it simply says he prayed prayed with the holy prophet then went back to his people to again lead them in prayer.
when a prayer is non-obligatory you can join the person with the intention of Non-obligatory prayer just like Sujud sawih (Sujud done when mistake occur in prayer) is not necessary for Non-obligatory prayer but you can never observe Ishai prayer behind an Imam offering Tarawih prayer(Nawafil)
wa moo yazzakkaru illaa ulul albaaab.

TheNiceGuy:
He led prayer for his people.
What prayer did he led, Fara'id or naafil?

BaddestQueen:
I'm the girl you love so much ❤️

muhamadnur:
you keep condemning his valid point, while you couldn't raise any yourself bring a hadith or quote a great scholar śhikenan, maybe if you can understand hausa i will send you sheikh mahmud ja,afar preaching regarding this issue which clearly justified, dont know if your SUFI by the way

It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Mu‘aadh ibn Jabal (may Allah be pleased with him) used to pray with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), then he would go to his people and lead them in prayer. And he would recite al-Baqarah. … The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Recite ‘By the sun and its brightness’ [al-Shams 91:1], and ‘Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High’ [al-A’la 87:1] and the like.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5755) and Muslim (465).

Al-Nawawi said:
In this hadeeth we see that it is permissible for one who is offering an obligatory prayer to pray behind one who is offering a naafil prayer, because Mu‘aadh used to offer the obligatory prayer with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), so he discharged his duty, then he would pray the second time with his people, so it was voluntary for him and obligatory for them. This is stated clearly elsewhere than in Muslim, and this is permissible according to al-Shaafa‘i (may Allah have mercy on him) and others. End quote.
Sharh Muslim, 4/181

walexsho:
wrong submission...
you can never join someone who doesn't have the intention of congregation prayer while praying not to talk of someone offering Nawafil.
Are you telling people that they can go ahead and offer Isha prayer behind Imam offering Tarawih. Did the holy prophet practice such.

"You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day and who engages much in the praise of Allah."
(Q33:21).

One of those religious rites is salaat - one would not have observed salaat unless and until when it is done according to the specification of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH).He said:
"Pray as you have seen me pray" (Bukhari).

The Hadith you made reference to was talking about Tahajud... non-obligatory prayer. Not a case of Observing fajr prayer behind someone observing Rakatayni Fajr

Obaofaba:
Jazakhallah khair