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Olril18:
Well. I’m in Osogbo. Average of 20 hours electricity. So not bad. Your points stands though...Nigeria can never be better than UK.
However I have also noticed your posts about Nigeria are usually pessimistic and full of condemnation.
Uk isn’t perfect as well and in some things...Nigeria is honestly better.
Heard of black people slumping and dying in factories due to work related stress. And an African nurse just died recently (making four in one month) too sleeping while driving after a night shift....
Uk isn’t heaven and have its own issues as well...

most people don't do their research as they feel it is all roset and when they get there they start crying and regretting.you must be ready to work non stop once you are there and make alot of sacrifices you won't even do in Nigeria.Just leave them to explore the place as nothing you will say will make them change their mindset.

flokii:
That is not true.. there are standard hospitals in Nigeria now with state-of-the-art equipment to diagnose and treat major health issues.

Stop misleading people with the "fantastic" health system abroad.. You must have social insurance and proper up-to-date documents to use their health facilities i n the US. The COVID-19 pandemic exposed this when mostly black people died from lack of proper health care. How many people died in Nigeria that you so much condemn compared to your USA??

If not for corrupt leaders, Whites would be travelling to Africa especially Nigeria for healh care and not what we have now.. Afterall the best doctors in the USA are Nigerians trained right here in Nigerian universities like OAU, UI, UNILAG among others. A Yoruba doctor in USA trained at OAU performed operation on a White baby still at 7 months and returned the baby to the mother's womb who later had successful delivery after 9 months. That was the first of its kind to ever happen.

I'm sure your type won't ever accept that there are poor White people simply because of your low self esteem. The Dangote you mentioned is richer than some States in US and Canada yet he chose to stay in his home country Nigeria and home continent Africa.. That is part of attributes of successful people; Self-love.

well said.bravo

verybadmouth:
Yes o. Cost of living in Naija is relatively extremely low and we pay very little taxes. The only issue we have us the poor economy and infrastructure as a result of bad governance.

Do you think “cost of living” would be extremely low if you have infrastructure and a rich economy?

Do you think you’d be able to evade tax if there’s good governance?

Olril18:
Well. I’m in Osogbo. Average of 20 hours electricity. So not bad. Your points stands though...Nigeria can never be better than UK.
However I have also noticed your posts about Nigeria are usually pessimistic and full of condemnation.
Uk isn’t perfect as well and in some things...Nigeria is honestly better.
Heard of black people slumping and dying in factories due to work related stress. And an African nurse just died recently (making four in one month) too sleeping while driving after a night shift....
Uk isn’t heaven and have its own issues as well...

Just imagine that? You are celebrating mediocracy, in 2023 Nigerians are still managing few hours of power supply, there are villages in Nigeria with electricity, no water supply, no road, no clinic, no postal services, no train station, these are basic human needs.

Someone has the mind to type...Nigeria is better than UK? We have no shame any more...i mean we have gotten used to living with almost nothing to a point we celebrate having power supply for few hours.

Olril18:
Well. I’m in Osogbo. Average of 20 hours electricity. So not bad. Your points stands though...Nigeria can never be better than UK.
However I have also noticed your posts about Nigeria are usually pessimistic and full of condemnation.
Uk isn’t perfect as well and in some things...Nigeria is honestly better.
Heard of black people slumping and dying in factories due to work related stress. And an African nurse just died recently (making four in one month) too sleeping while driving after a night shift....
Uk isn’t heaven and have its own issues as well...

Do you blame the govt if you decided to over worked yourself? Standard working hours is 38 a day, people on hourly pay in some companies can only work 60hrs a week which includes overtime.

Nigerians here specially in health care sector or security over worked themselves partly because of the need to make more money and help people back home. Nobody forces you to work more hours, its your personal decision.

flokii:
That is not true.. there are standard hospitals in Nigeria now with state-of-the-art equipment to diagnose and treat major health issues.

Stop misleading people with the "fantastic" health system abroad.. You must have social insurance and proper up-to-date documents to use their health facilities i n the US. The COVID-19 pandemic exposed this when mostly black people died from lack of proper health care. How many people died in Nigeria that you so much condemn compared to your USA??

if not for corrupt leaders, Whites would be travelling to Africa especially Nigeria for healh care and not what we have now.. Afterall the best doctors in the USA are Nigerians trained right here in Nigerian universities like OAU, UI, UNILAG among others. A Yoruba doctor in USA trained at OAU performed operation on a White baby still at 7 months and returned the baby to the mother's womb who later had successful delivery after 9 months. That was the first of its kind to ever happen.

I'm sure your type won't ever accept that there are poor White people simply because of your low self esteem. The Dangote you mentioned is richer than some States in US and Canada yet he chose to stay in his home country Nigeria and home continent Africa.. That is part of attributes of successful people; Self-love.

So let me ask you this...If you truly believed that the best doctors in USA are Nigerian trained and that Nigeria is better than USA, UK etc...why are those doctors not working and making a living in Nigeria?

justwise:
Just imagine that? You are celebrating mediocracy, in 2023 Nigerians are still managing few hours of power supply, there are villages in Nigeria with electricity, no water supply, no road, no clinic, no postal services, no train station, these are basic human needs.

Someone has the mind to type...Nigeria is better than UK? We have no shame any more...i mean we have gotten used to living with almost nothing to a point we celebrate having power supply for few hours.

That’s where we are unfortunately. Power cut is pretty much familiar with most 3rd world countries...and 20 hours of electricity is pretty decent for where Nigeria is right now. hopefully things will continue to improve and get better.
If U.K. is also such a heaven I wonder why they are going on strike.didn’t the government just went to to court against the RCN?...pitiful pay,Terrible working conditions..and long miserable hours at work.... most British are unhappy and complain about their own country as well...and for African Immigrants what of the overt institutional racism?so?
Challenges are relative and every country has what it’s battling.
Of course U.K. is better than Nigeria that’s not in doubt. But in some aspect Nigeria is better as well.
I will say you are just like those of the opposite, especially, those who don’t have nothing good to say about the U.K....just like every of your posts about Nigeria is usually full of condemnation and and derision.
So you need to look at your self in the mirror too.

justwise:
So let me ask you this...If you truly believed that the best doctors in USA are Nigerian trained and that Nigeria is better than USA, UK etc...why are those doctors not working and making a living in Nigeria?

The lack of foresight from citizens up to the leaders is one reason.. another is the tactical brain drain going on where UK, US, Canada and even Arab Countries offer our Nigerian doctors jobs with attractive pay just to move over to their place and be of service to foreign nations.

It's a statement of fact that the most educated and successful non-native group in the USA today are Nigerians, not even Black Americans but Nigerian migrants. That says a lot.

justwise:
Do you blame the govt if you decided to over worked yourself? Standard working hours is 38 a day, people on hourly pay in some companies can only work 60hrs a week which includes overtime.

Nigerians here specially in health care sector or security over worked themselves partly because of the need to make more money and help people back home. Nobody forces you to work more hours, its your personal decision.

If they are in Nigeria would they even need to overwork themselves?
middle class Nigerians do not need extra-jobs and they also have dependents at home too who they have to help here too as well...so it’s not only those who live in U.K. that’s helps people.
Or could it be the fact that they overwork themselves because of the bills and all other essentials?
I say that knowing most Nigerians in U.K. were not poor people back home, poor people as we all know can not afford to travel abroad..and they didn’t have to overwork themselves when they were back here.
And sorry if I’m being cynical,most people in U.K. are also reputed for being stingy,which calls in to question how much Nigerians in U.K. really overwork themselves because they have people back home they want to help....
Some couple of things I would have love to add are already added in my last quote.
I think you should just be more Neutral and Balanced in this often tiring U.K./Nigeria discussions...no matter how provoked you are,it should not be all about condemnation of everything in Nigeria after all a large percent of Nigerians will never even own a passport.
And that applies to the other side as well who always mock those in the U.K.

The formula to live cheap abroad is this. The more densely populated the city, the more expensive it is. There are places in the UK, such as villages that you can rent a very big apartment with a garden, for even less than 1k pounds.

But the people that enjoy such places are location independent folks such as programmers. Also, you'll sacrifice longer travel, less entertainment, and isolation for such locations. At the end, we are always picking our poison.

Big cities might be nice, but for the average folks, it's about living paycheck to paycheck, in a tiny cubicle or even sharing a flat with someone that on a very good day, you'll want to punch his teeth off.

pansophist:
The formula to live cheap abroad is this. The more densely populated the city, the more expensive it is. There are places in the UK, such as villages that you can rent a very big apartment with a garden, for even less than 1k pounds.

But the people that enjoy such places are location independent folks such as programmers. Also, you'll sacrifice longer travel, less entertainment, and isolation for such locations. At the end, we are always picking our poison.

Big cities might be nice, but for the average folks, it's about living paycheck to paycheck, in a tiny cubicle or even sharing a flat with someone that on a very good day, you'll want to punch his teeth off.

lol ver funny to punch his teeth.he will call the police on you for assault.lol

guobe:
lol ver funny to punch his teeth.he will call the police on you for assault.lol

The general assumption pertaining the discourse of domestic violence is the notion that it's mostly between couples/families. But violence within housemates is also very common.

Two people squeezing in small spaces will lead to lots of friction. From stealing, not cleaning, smoking indoor, noise-making at odd hours, not paying for common usage (eg cleaning soaps, tissue), entering your private room secretly etc.

Usually it is inderstandable for students to share living spaces, but I mourn the direction major cities are heading to where an individual with a full-time job can't even afford to pay for a studio in the city, and must share with strangers to make end meet.

Imagine going out to work, frustrated about life and every, only to come home to ww3, because you and your flatmate are more of cat and rat, than peaceful dwellers. And that's the reality of many residents in big cities like London.

pansophist:
The general assumption pertaining the discourse of domestic violence is the notion that it's mostly between couples/families. But violence within housemates is also very common.

Two people squeezing in small spaces will lead to lots of friction. From stealing, not cleaning, smoking indoor, noise-making at odd hours, not paying for common usage (eg cleaning soaps, tissue), entering your private room secretly etc.

Usually it is inderstandable for students to share living spaces, but I mourn the direction major cities are heading to where an individual with a full-time job can't even afford to pay for a studio in the city, and must share with strangers to make end meet.

Imagine going out to work, frustrated about life and every, only to come home to ww3, because you and your flatmate are more of cat and rat, than peaceful dwellers. And that's the reality of many residents in big cities like London.

I do understand your point of view but guys will always work things out.A guy will tell you guy I don't like this stuff you are doing and he will understand but for females they won't be on talking terms forever.

Olril18:
If they are in Nigeria would they even need to overwork themselves?
middle class Nigerians do not need extra-jobs and they also have dependents at home too who they have to help here too as well...so it’s not only those who live in U.K. that’s helps people.
Or could it be the fact that they overwork themselves because of the bills and all other essentials?
I say that knowing most Nigerians in U.K. were not poor people back home, poor people as we all know can not afford to travel abroad..and they didn’t have to overwork themselves when they were back here.
And sorry if I’m being cynical,most people in U.K. are also reputed for being stingy,which calls in to question how much Nigerians in U.K. really overwork themselves because they have people back home they want to help....
Some couple of things I would have love to add are already added in my last quote.
I think you should just be more Neutral and Balanced in this often tiring U.K./Nigeria discussions...no matter how provoked you are,it should not be all about condemnation of everything in Nigeria after all a large percent of Nigerians will never even own a passport.
And that applies to the other side as well who always mock those in the U.K.

Nigerians in Nigeria over worked and underpaid, some work for months without pay, teachers go on strike for months without pay, i mean the list is endless.

Workers strike in the UK for more money and better working condition, workers in the UK will get paid even when they are striking. Comparing Nigeria to developed world is just a silly joke.

Its so embarrassing to read from some Nigerians in nairaland saying stuff like...people abroad work to pay bills and taxes bla bla bla,

Nigerians abroad pay bill they use on daily bases while Nigerian in Nigeria pay bills and taxes they hardly use, you pay for electricity you hardly use, you pay taxes but roads are in a terrible state, no security, no good functioning govt hospital, you pay the police to arrest a suspect, pay them to file case against the suspect and pay them to keep suspect in detention.

Just look at the recently concluded general election...polling stations taken over by thugs, people get beaten up, ballot boxes taken away while police watch.


South Africa got independent from apartheid white-rulers in 1994 but today SA is far better than Nigeria, Nigerians are ready to die in SA rather than running home.

What is there to celebrate or defend about Nigeria? 30-40% unemployment rate? Kidnapping? Extreme corruption? Lack of basic infrastructures? I mean you can't even withdraw your own money from cash machines or carry out online transactions for months.

And some of you have the gut to compare Nigeria to any half decent country?

justwise:
Nigerians in Nigeria over worked and underpaid, some work for months without pay, teachers go on strike for months without pay, i mean the list is endless.

Workers strike in the UK for more money and better working condition, workers in the UK will get paid even when they are striking. Comparing Nigeria to developed world is just a silly joke.

Its so embarrassing to read from some Nigerians in nairaland saying stuff like...people abroad work to pay bills and taxes bla bla bla,

Nigerians abroad pay bill they use on daily bases while Nigerian in Nigeria pay bills and taxes they hardly use, you pay for electricity you hardly use, you pay taxes but roads are in a terrible state, no security, no good functioning govt hospital, you pay the police to arrest a suspect, pay them to file case against the suspect and pay them to keep suspect in detention.

Just look at the recently concluded general election...polling stations taken over by thugs, people get beaten up, ballot boxes taken away while police watch.


South Africa got independent from apartheid white-rulers in 1994 but today SA is far better than Nigeria, Nigerians are ready to die in SA rather than running home.

What is there to celebrate or defend about Nigeria? 30-40% unemployment rate? Kidnapping? Extreme corruption? Lack of basic infrastructures? I mean you can't even withdraw your own money from cash machines or carry out online transactions for months.

And some of you have the gut to compare Nigeria to any half decent country?

You are right in all what you said but do you think it is best to abandon a working ship or try your utmost best to make sure the shop sails through.The Government of the day ain't helping matters so if everybody leaves the country who will then fix it.

flokii:
The lack of foresight from citizens up to the leaders is one reason.. another is the tactical brain drain going on where UK, US, Canada and even Arab Countries offer our Nigerian doctors jobs with attractive pay just to move over to their place and be of service to foreign nations.

It's a statement of fact that the most educated and successful non-native group in the USA today are Nigerians, not even Black Americans but Nigerian migrants. That says a lot.

Lack of foresight that they don't know that Nigeria is getting better day by day? That their salaries are better than what is obtainable outside Nigeria?

My younger brother had an accident yesterday and the driver that hit him from behind drove off, him and his wife were helpless at the middle of expressway, luckily a police officer came and took them to a general hospital in Abuja but guess what? There were no doctor on duty to attend to him.

Such will not happen in any developed country, to start with..the driver will be picked up in no time and his insurance company will pay for my younger brother's car and injuries. He will be taken to the hospital by an ambulance and hospitals have doctors on duty 247

justwise:
Nigerians in Nigeria over worked and underpaid, some work for months without pay, teachers go on strike for months without pay, i mean the list is endless.

Workers strike in the UK for more money and better working condition, workers in the UK will get paid even when they are striking. Comparing Nigeria to developed world is just a silly joke.

Its so embarrassing to read from some Nigerians in nairaland saying stuff like...people abroad work to pay bills and taxes bla bla bla,

Nigerians abroad pay bill they use on daily bases while Nigerian in Nigeria pay bills and taxes they hardly use, you pay for electricity you hardly use, you pay taxes but roads are in a terrible state, no security, no good functioning govt hospital, you pay the police to arrest a suspect, pay them to file case against the suspect and pay them to keep suspect in detention.

Just look at the recently concluded general election...polling stations taken over by thugs, people get beaten up, ballot boxes taken away while police watch.


South Africa got independent from apartheid white-rulers in 1994 but today SA is far better than Nigeria, Nigerians are ready to die in SA rather than running home.

What is there to celebrate or defend about Nigeria? 30-40% unemployment rate? Kidnapping? Extreme corruption? Lack of basic infrastructures? I mean you can't even withdraw your own money from cash machines or carry out online transactions for months.

And some of you have the gut to compare Nigeria to any half decent country?

I get you

flokii:
The lack of foresight from citizens up to the leaders is one reason.. another is the tactical brain drain going on where UK, US, Canada and even Arab Countries offer our Nigerian doctors jobs with attractive pay just to move over to their place and be of service to foreign nations.

It's a statement of fact that the most educated and successful non-native group in the USA today are Nigerians, not even Black Americans but Nigerian migrants. That says a lot.

https://africacheck.org/fact-checks/spotchecks/yes-nigerian-americans-do-well-arent-most-successful-ethnic-group-us . Nigerians are not doing better than indians or Chinese lol

guobe:
You are right in all what you said but do you think it is best to abandon a working ship or try your utmost best to make sure the shop sails through.The Government of the day ain't helping matters so if everybody leaves the country who will then fix it.

Let me correct you here...the ship is not work, so yes i will abandon it for the sake of myself and my families, The Capitan of the ship is sailing in a wrong direction and majority of crew members don't see anything wrong with it.