Balogunodua:


Should I tag your nemesis to the thread?

Balogunodua:
Remember...chose wisely

Ghostwon82221:

I wonder what kind of life you have to be this childish.

Ghostwon82221:

I believe you mean stalker, I don't have nemesis, but I have stalkers who obsess about me.

Balogunodua:

Been childish is you parading your ignorance for years despite been corrected so many times on this forum...only for you too deactivate and create another account like a coward.

Balogunodua:


Been childish is you parading your ignorance for years despite been corrected so many times on this forum...only for you too deactivate and create another account like a coward.




Cc TAO11 your student is around for another round of aggressive lecture.

Balogunodua:

only for you too deactivate and create another account like a coward.

TheSourcerer:
A lot really , we share a lot of culture and a lot of Brazilians live in Nigeria , I wrote a whole topic on this yesterday, Joke Silva and Dj Xclusive are Brazilians in Nigeria.

Ghostwon82221:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin

Lagos was part of Benin, until the British colonized Lagos . Proof: precolonial map below.

Why do you and many of your Yoruba brothers keep trying to rewrite history ?
Why are you guys telling lies ?

Stoplying:
Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x.r=Y%C3%A9bou?rk=21459;2

Precolonial map of the region showing that Lagos (in its currents form) and its environs were part of Benin (see below)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2


Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.

I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)

TheSourcerer:
I am Kalabari, but noted thank you.

DevilsEqual:



Was also thinking if truly the binis owned Lagos,considering the distance between them, Binis influence should have been more profound between ondo,Ogun and other Lagos neighboring SW states


Cause those days, empires tend to spread their influence around an already conquered territory, just as Xerxes of Persia and Alexander the great did their across Asia minors, Europe and Egypt

Maxxim:

These are facts they won't like to mention cause of their ignorance, there's always three side of the story, each party will always come up with theirs but the real facts will always be there for whoever is ready to learn.

Ghostwon82221:

When the British took over Lagos, Lagos was flooded with migrants, mostly local fugitive slaves and foreign freed slaves like the Brazilian slaves.
What happened to Lagos is just like what happened to some Arabian countries with small population in which the number of migrant workers is now more than twice the number of aboriginals.
I repeat and I do so with proof, Lagos was part of Benin. Benin in the 1400's was very different from today. It was a large multilingual country whose capital was named "Benin city" by the European visitors on their maps.
Benin was civilised and had great architecture and military, it was a real powerful country.
You can look at precolonial maps and texts to see what our region looked like hundreds of years ago.
There is a reason why the body of water is called Bight of Benin, that was the precolonial reality.

The problem with many people like you is that you lack the ability to do historical research and you believe that what you see today will necessarily tell you what you had hundreds of years ago. That is not how history works.
European explorers have had this same logical problem, they visited a city in medieval America, then some other European explorers came back to the same site hundreds of years later and found no city, they then concluded that the earlier explorers were lying.
But in reality (as it was discovered 1 hundred years later), the people of the city died of diseases in great numbers and the remanants migrated elsewhere and then vegetation outgrew the city, you had to use scientific means to see signs of the city. The world is not static, looking at a place today won't tell you it's past, you have to actually do the efforts and do competent research, which I did.

Ghostwon82221:

You are being disengenuous, because your reasoning clearly doesn't work. I have given irrefutable proof that Lagos was part of Benin, by the way so was ondo.
You can't reason in history by claiming "if this happened then this should be here today".
And you guys keep talking about conquest ...you still fail to understand that the precolonial world was a very different place from today. Stop thinking you can get history with 100% prevision, of names and events hour by hour, that will not happen.
Lagos was a part of Benin, stop looking for conquest, Lagos was invaded by the British then flooded with people foreign to Lagos. Any true Lagosian, not a migrant from British invasion is an Edo.

Maxxim:

Forget about the long epistle man, instead answer this
Who are the first settlers in lagos?

Maxxim:

Oga was lagos ever been invaded by the Benin's?

Maxxim:

What role does the Benin kingdom played in lagos?

Maxxim:

When you claimed Benin's are the first settlers why ...

Maxxim:

at least the yoruba traditions of Oro rituals, masquerade celebrations are visible everywhere.
You claimed to be an historian but it's glaring you're just having a sided argument.

Ghostwon82221:

Can you read ?
Do you understand what you read ? It seems you don't.

Edit. I don't want to be too harsh, I'm at work and I have very little patience. Let me rephrase:
Read what I wrote, and pay more attention to every detail. Look at the proofs which I presented.

Maxxim:

Oga you haven't answered any of my questions, once you start giving facts I'll be interested in this convo

Ghostwon82221:
Other precolonial maps of west Africa
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714

Ghostwon82221:
This (map below) is not a precolonial map of guinea.
I'm not a specialist on guinea, but I like to do things logically. A kingdom is country, not a general area.
What Guinea referred to in the precolonial era, I do not know, but to think it is the same thing as what we refer to as guinea today is extremely uneducated and naïf.
But this is the kind of things which some other deluded people refer to as "correction".

Precolonial African countries were all kingdoms, and the Europeans would often refer to them by adding the word "Kingdom" to their name when referring to the entirety of the country while they would take that same name and add "city" to it while talking about the capital of the country: Benin Kingdom, Benin city.

P.S you finally archived your life goal of getting a reply from the bold clown. Now you may ask yourself why you tried to teach something in which you are totally incompetent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8

Precolonial map of the region showing that Lagos (in its currents form) and its environs were part of Benin (see below)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2

Ghostwon82221:

Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x.r=Y%C3%A9bou?rk=21459;2

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Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.

I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)

TAO11:



In other words, at some early periods in the history of West Africa, some foreign traders borrowed the name of specific locations, viz. “Guinea” or “Takrur”, etc. (in the extreme west of Africa) & applied these names to the wider region of West Africa—including the land of your actual Benin kingdom among others.

TAO11:

According to your rusty brain:
“Van Ichoo Benin” means that Lagos is part of Benin.

But strangely your dead brain skipped where the same map shows: “van Benin Biafra”

TAO11:


1)Does this not also mean that your beloved Benin was part of, conquered, owned, controlled by Biafra? 🤣

2)The good thing with respect to your fraud activities & lies on Nairaland is that you seem to have no new lies.
In other words, I have personally debunked all your lies on this Nairaland forum.
All I need do is to simply mine my prior responses and re-debunk you again.
As such you will be forced to deactivate your account again as I always make you do.
Anyway, the following reply is adapted from one of my devastating replies to you years ago. You fled!😂

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