TAO11:

Regarding your translation of that French text, I’ve sometimes ago already pointed out your fraudulent attempt to cover up some very crucial points.

(1) The translation which you gave above as “refer to” should actually be given appropriately as “designated” or “named”.

1) just from a point of logic, did the narrator witness the "naming" ?
2) This is the thing with you, you keep trying to give lectures on things you know nothing about.
You don't speak French but you believe you can teach French... (Like a fool)
3) if you knew even a little bit of French, then you would know that literal translation to English is the worse thing you can do, the structure of the French language is very different from that of Germanic languages (like German or English). My translation (I was always the best at version (translation) at the university)
4) in this context, "c'est ainsi qu'ils la désignent" means "that is how they refer to it"

The beginning of the last kicks of a dying horse as usual. We shall debunk them as we love doing. 😎

Ghostwon82221:
1) in your own claim the precolonial Guinea didn't refer to a country but to a region.

And what difference does it being a country, or region, or town, or confederacy, etc. make to the argument which debunks your foolery? 😂

Let’s break it down to those you seek to deceive:

(I) In the 1400s/1500s, a relatively small region in the extreme western end of West Africa is Guinea.

(II) Later on from the ?late-1500s, 1600s; this name of a small region began to be applied to the whole of the West-Africa area from Sierra-Leone to Cameroon.

(III) In other words, a foolish dunce will interpret this to mean that all the West-African lands, kingdoms, & states, etc. from Sierra-Leone to Cameroon (including your Benin) were all owned by the original Guinea.

(IV) Whereas, the reality is simply that the name of the original Guinea was simply adopted by foreigners (as a matter of acquaintance & convenience) to describe the much wider West Africa from abroad.

(V) It is irrelevant whether the original place (i.e. the actual precolonial Guinea) was one town, a group of related towns, a kingdom, a confederacy, etc.

What matters is that its name was borrowed & applied to West Africa. The same happened with Takrur. 😉

2) the country named guinea in post colonial Africa wasn't called guinea in precolonial Africa and probably wasn't even a country in precolonial Africa.

The confusion you seek to perpetuate has been exposed above. Sorry!

In other words, it doesn’t matter if today’s Guinea is a country with President. Doesn’t matter if pre-colonial Guinea wasn’t a country with one President.

What matters is that its name (i.e. precolonial Guinea’s name) was borrowed & applied to West Africa. The same happened with Takrur. 😉

3) so the point which you are making which states (or implies) that countries names were used by Europeans to name vast regions is in a word false, and also stupid.

Yes your imagination (which you desperately seek to substitute as my argument) is false, stupid & more.

Again my argument is: The subset lent their name to the wider superset, while your ridiculous claim on the other hand is that this happens because the subset is the capital of a vast government/dominion. 🤦🏾‍♂️

4) Benin kingdom is not a post colonial country, it is a precolonial country. Your comparison is illogical.

You should have realized at this point that you’ve been exposed. You need be smart enough to realize it tho.

5) it would be understandable that people might add or remove territory to a region for various reasons, for example the region called Europe keeps changing, but I fail to understand why the boundaries of actual countries would be treated in such a cavalier way.

I hope you know circular reasoning is still a fallacy. It is null & void. Please take note of this going forward. I wouldn’t want to repeat myself.

In other words, what you intend to prove is that:
Benin owned the circumjacent territories outside of its boundaries.

What you’re adducing as “proof” is that:
Somethings similar happened in Europe.

Me:
Lol 🙃

6) yet again, you provide your opinions and confuse them with facts.

Are we projecting now??
Projection is how to defend & win your argument?

Do better! 😎

Ghostwon82221:
1) was Biafra a precolonial country ? You see you never make sense.

Looks like you’ve suddenly realized that your request to show "all the caption of “Van Benin Biafra”" makes no difference to the argument I have adduced. Lool.

Anyway, your new comeback here was also debunked where I debunked your weak Guinea comeback.

In other words, it is irrelevant if the original place (i.e. the actual precolonial Biafra) was one town, a group of related towns, a kingdom, a confederacy, etc.

In so far as it was a different location from your Benin kingdom, the consistent inference which you must draw from the same map is that Benin Kingdom was owned by the then Biafra—whether the then Biafra was one “kingdom”, or a confederacy, or a group of related towns, cities, villages is irrelevant.

2) the reason I did not reply you is because I had already wasted lots of time on you. I expose a lie of yours and you come back with ten more lies, and so on, after a point I got fed up, you have a non ending stream of lies and non logical statements and replying to them would be a full time job, I can't possibly have that much time.
3) the video below explains what it is to debate you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8
4) debating a fool is the worse thing a smart person can do, I thought I was the only one who noticed it were a waste of time untill I found that YouTube video. Sorry, but you kind of are a fool. So walking away from a "debate" with you is actually a wise thing to do.

I can’t remember asking for your tears at any point in the course of debunking you. Why all these? 🤣

Dabronze:
What is the relationship between the Yoruba and Brazilian?

Yoruba's had a great influence on places that their slave masters transported them to. Brazil is one of them.

TAO11:

Whereas, it was the Ijebus (the Yorubas) who named the island as Eko according to this account from ‘your own material’ which was published in 1845.

Without even attempting to translate the French sentence, it is quite clear that the narrator didn't witness any naming of Lagos ! Just logic, he can't say who named it, he can only say how some people refer to it! That is what he does, he talks to different Africans and they tell him how they refer to the land.

TAO11:

Whereas, it was the Ijebus (the Yorubas) who named the island as Eko according to this account from ‘your own material’ which was published in 1845.

The paper is from 1845, and the name was already visible 200 years prior to 1845 (this proves that the narrator definitely didn't witness any naming)

When someone with the brain of a child believes she/he is smart and takes your fatigue (of talking to a fool) for proof she/he is right and smart...I give you Tao the fool.

I'm not going to address all of Tao's rubbish, I will just have some fun addressing some and then I will not reply the fool anymore.

Ghostwon82221:

1) just from a point of logic, did the narrator witness the "naming" ?

Lmao.

Now that your “Lagos was part of Benin” agenda has been debunked, you now have to shift goalpost to:

Whether the name “Eko” was truly named by Ijebus as the book claim.

Whether the author was an eyewitness to the naming ceremony of ”Lagos” as “Eko” by the Ijebus as claimed.

To answer these diversions tactics from what just hit you, I’ll like to refer you to the screenshot below as to show you where you already answered yourself.

I am not saying I agree with your answer to yourself, I am only asking you to make up your mind if you agree with yourself or not.

Did the author witness what he wrote or not? Please bear in mind that, it was you who brought the book🤭

2) This is the thing with you, you keep trying to give lectures on things you know nothing about.
You don't speak French but you believe you can teach French... (Like a fool).

3) if you knew even a little bit of French, then you would know that literal translation to English is the worse thing you can do, the structure of the French language is very different from that of Germanic languages (like German or English). My translation (I was always the best at version (translation) at the university)
4) in this context, "c'est ainsi qu'ils la désignent" means "that is how they refer to it"

In other words, we must pretend that you will tell the truth because you don’t mind been exposed. 🤣

No baldie! 🤭 Instead, sane people would rather rely on objective verifiable sources who have no horse in this race. Why should that not make sense to you?

These French sources maintain that the French word “designént” means “designate”.

Even your “refer” does not contradict this. It’s just non-precise. Liars love imprecision. It helps them escape.

You go nowhere! 😎

Ghostwon82221:

The paper is from 1845, and the name was already visible 200 years prior to 1845 (this proves that the narrator definitely didn't witness any naming)

Ghostwon82221:
Without even attempting to translate the French sentence, it is quite clear that the narrator didn't witness any naming of Lagos ! Just logic, he can't say who named it, he can only say how some people refer to it! That is what he does, he talks to different Africans and they tell him how they refer to the land.

You had said elsewhere that the author witnessed it tho. Lmao 🤣 See screenshot attached.

Do you now want to make up your mind or no still?

Lool.

Ghostwon82221:

1) just from a point of logic, did the narrator witness the "naming" ?
2) This is the thing with you, you keep trying to give lectures on things you know nothing about.
You don't speak French but you believe you can teach French... (Like a fool)
3) if you knew even a little bit of French, then you would know that literal translation to English is the worse thing you can do, the structure of the French language is very different from that of Germanic languages (like German or English). My translation (I was always the best at version (translation) at the university)
4) in this context, "c'est ainsi qu'ils la désignent" means "that is how they refer to it"

Edit.
4)"c'est ainsi qu'ils la désignent" means "that is how they refer to it"

Ghostwon82221:
Look, I do not like you, I do not want to have conversations with you. You have stalked me, you spend your time telling lies and pretending to have knowledge which you do not have. It takes you days to make a simple reply because you need to do lots of Google search in order to even know things which should be common knowledge.
You reason like a child which is what you are by your behaviour and confession. I'm not playing, I'm not pretending to have knowledge. I'm not trying to fool people with illogical statements. You do not belong in the same lane as me, you could definitely not hold a conversation with me in real life, because you won't be able to take days off each time you try to reply.

Ghostwon82221:
One of the reasons I don't like talking to you is that you lie constantly on everything, I remember reading some of your rantings, I saw entire sentences full with lies, almost every single word was a lie. It is hard to have a conversation with such a compulsive liar. You lie so much I can't keep up.

Now show us all the caption of "Van Benin Biafra".

Ghostwon82221:
When someone with the brain of a child believes she/he is smart and takes your fatigue (of talking to a fool) for proof she/he is right and smart...I give you Tao the fool.

I'm not going to address all of Tao's rubbish, I will just have some fun addressing some and then I will not reply the fool anymore.

The mad baldie is preparing his exit speech already.

As usual when TAO11 shows up, baldie flees never to look back for months or years to come.

You lose again! 😎

TAO11:

You had said elsewhere that the author witnessed it tho. Lmao 🤣 See screenshot attached.
Do you now want to make up your mind or no still?
Lool.

Look, I'm trying to (lack of a better word) correct your poor submission. But you are interfering in my benevolent action. Ok, let me reply to this your statement before I go back to correcting your submission.

1) I never claimed that the narrator witnessed any naming.
2) I claimed rightfully that the narrator is giving an eyewitness account.
3) don't blame me for your lack of intellect

TAO11:

The mad baldie is preparing us exit speech already.

As usual when TAO11 shows up, baldie flees never to look back for months or years to come.

You lose again! 😎

I used to act like you when I was 10, this makes me wonder how old you are.

Ghostwon82221:
Edit.
4)"c'est ainsi qu'ils la désignent" means "that is how they refer to it"

No it means “that’s how they designated it”.

Proof-1:
The French “désignent” signifies ”designate” in English. Very direct.

Proof-2:
As at the time when the author was writing this work in c. 1845, EVERY group REFER to “Lagos” as “Eko”.

In others words, it is meaningless to single out Ijebu in c. 1845 as the group who REFER to “Lagos” as “Eko”
———

In Conclusion: “Eko” (according to that book which you brought forward to shoot yourself in the head) was a name evolved by the Ijebu group for “Lagos”.

The author was clearly describing who named/coined the name “Eko” for “Lagos”. He identified them as the Ijebus — of course based on some received info.

No amount of Benin liars can twist away the fact that the French “désignent” is “designate” in English.

Take heart baldie!

TAO11:

(2) Regarding land ownership: — First of all, the actual area in question is NOT the whole of Lagos as we know it in today’s context.
Rather, the area in question (in this passage) refers to a portion of the area now known as Lagos island — that is, a portion of Lagos-island, i.e. the then Curamo.

Fair enough, the narrator didn't predict we would be having this debate around 178 years later. When referring to Curamo, he was talking about Lagos Island but that doesn't imply that the rest of what we now refer to as Lagos wasn't part of Benin, the precolonial maps indicate it was.

Even though, I think and know you are a fool. If you get something right, I will gladly admit it, like I do when annoying students get something right.

You must be really convinced that I am a Bini person.

In other words, you strongly have the feeling that I’m no different from one of those you manipulate.

I wonder why you’re adamant with this hopeless idea despite evidence to the contrary. Listen, I am still me. I haven’t changed. I am still your nemesis.

Ghostwon82221:

Look, I'm trying to (lack of a better word) correct your poor submission. But you are interfering in my benevolent action. Ok, let me reply to this your statement before I go back to correcting your submission.

1) I never claimed that the narrator witnessed any naming.
2) I claimed rightfully that the narrator is giving an eyewitness account.
3) don't blame me for your lack of intellect

You claimed that the 1845 text is an eye eyewitness account.

Do you really understand what an eyewitness text is or you just use words to appear smart to Bini retards?

Lemme pretend you don’t, so you have no hiding:

An eyewitness account is a documentation of events which the author witnessed by himself/herself. 😝

✌🏾

TAO mama..doing the Lords work. 😁😁

TAO11:

Secondly, the actual word used in the passage is NOT “land” as you’ve cunningly translated it.

Rather, the actual translation should have been given correctly as “domain” or “area”. The author is clearly aware of the nuance of using the word “land” and as such have rightfully avoided it.

Now this is you basically pretending to know how to translate French to English and also pretending to be a psychiatrist who did a psychoanalysis on a dead guy.
Once again, you can't do littéral translation when translating french to english, you have to know both languages and write an English sentence with the same meaning as the French one.
So this which you wrote is totally stupid. By the way it doesn't even qualify as literal translation. You just seem to be trying to place words convenient for your end goal.

What you did here is utter rubbish.

Ghostwon82221:
I literally have to stop at every line, to address a lie.
1) Tao is illogical and irrational
2) Tao is a liar, a compulsive liar, talking to Tao is just a huge waste of time. Lots of lines, each one of them is a lie to adresse.

Ghostwon82221:

I used to act like you when I was 10, this makes me wonder how old you are.

Ghostwon82221:
🤣😂😅Never met a Yoruba who didn't love a good lie and a good liar, you guys will never change.

Ghostwon82221:
Even though, I think and know you are a fool. If you get something right, I will gladly admit it, like I do when annoying students get something right.

You know projection won’t work, so why even try?

Now face the argument you should be defending. 🤭

Ghostwon82221:
Even though, I think and know you are a fool. If you get something right, I will gladly admit it, like I do when annoying students get something right.

Take your L in peace 😁😁😂

Balogunodua:
TAO mama..doing the Lords work. 😁😁

🤣😂😅
Never met a Yoruba who didn't love a good lie and a good liar, you guys will never change.

Ghostwon82221:

1)I'm not an expert in English literature, and I speak French on a day to day basis and English only in rare occasions. But I know the difference between "been" and "being".
Let me correct your sentence:

"An example of being childish could be found in your parading of your ignorance..."
I corrected the beginning of your sentence, you can try and correct the rest, so that people may believe that English is your first language.
1') I beat you at your own language, French is my first language.
2) If I'm so ignorant, then why do you guys keep following me around ?
3) if I'm so ignorant then why do you need "reinforcement" to "correct me" ?
4) if I'm so ignorant, why your display of madness when you spot me ?

I know, facts, logic and reason do not do well in your world. I present evidence, and you say I spread ignorance. Watch this video, it talks about people like you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8

Do pl

Ghostwon82221:

🤣😂😅
Never met a Yoruba who didn't love a good lie and a good liar, you guys will never change.

You will soon deactivate this account 😁😂

I have time to correct just one more of Tao's statements, It's getting boring. So I let you guys chose which statement you want me to correct.

He’s preparing his runaway speech already 👆🏾

Balogunodua:
You will soon deactivate this account 😁😂

🤣🤣

Ghostwon82221:
I guess the dictionary has changed today and "correcting" now means trolling and stalking.


Watch the video, it talks about you guys.
No amount of evidence would change the mind of a fool, and what I experienced with you guys and some others is what this video talks about: Do not debate a fool, it is a waste of time. Evidence and logic do not sway fools. Fools want their fanatical beliefs to win and they pay no attention to logic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu4GSLI18s8


You seem to not understand that
1) I'm not you people's age mate
2) I'm not of you people's poor educational background, I actually have real degrees.
3) I'm not playing your game, I'm not trolling and I am not here to be trolled and harassed. I'm here for history, not to entertain mentally ill people.
4) I owe you nothing.
5) If I'm being harassed, or if my being on this forum takes too much time away from my actual work or leisures, then I deactivate. I don't have time to waste, I live in the real world. I don't stalk people to feel important contrary to the likes of you and your friends.
All my other social media accounts have been deactivated mostly to stop myself from wasting time.
6) in real life, I would definitely have a restraining order against you guys for harassment, I really don't need crazy time consuming and illogical people around me.

Your rant is hilarious 😁

Balogunodua:


You will soon deactivate this account 😁😂

Tao's personal hype man 🤣😂
Your dad must be so proud.
Although he failed your education, clearly.

I repeat

Ghostwon82221:
I have time to correct just one more of Tao's statements, It's getting boring. So I let you guys chose which statement you want me to correct.

Ghostwon82221:
I have time to correct just one more of Tao's statements, It's getting boring. So I let you guys chose which statement you want me to correct.

Mr. French teacher.. have you ran out of maps to post

TAO11:
He’s preparing his runaway speech already 👆🏾



🤣🤣

😂😂😂

Balogunodua:

Mr. French teacher.. have you ran out of maps to post

I'm a mathematician, not a French teacher.
And I have plenty more precolonial maps, but debating with fools doesn't work. No matter the amount of evidence, your views won't change and you will still fanatically defend those views.

I repeat

Ghostwon82221:
I have time to correct just one more of Tao's statements, It's getting boring. So I let you guys chose which statement you want me to correct.

Ghostwon82221:
Fair enough, the narrator didn't predict we would be having this debate around 178 years later. When referring to Curamo, he was talking about Lagos Island but that doesn't imply that the rest of what we now refer to as Lagos wasn't part of Benin, the precolonial maps indicate it was.

Sorry baldie, this was debunked here:

https://www.nairaland.com/7671910/british-bombardment-lagos-1851/2#122890496

And here:
https://www.nairaland.com/7671910/british-bombardment-lagos-1851/2#122891033

😂

Cheers baldie 👨‍🦲